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Who owns whom?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Kgrubb1224, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. Kgrubb1224

    Kgrubb1224 Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Anyone know where a list is of what beers are owned by which companies? I know most of the macro brewers and who they own, but so many micros are owned by groups or fellow micros. Ex: Kona/Widmer or The Shed beer being owned by Long Trail.

    These darn beers are confusing!
  2. BKBassist

    BKBassist Member

    Location:
    New York
    I think there is much less of this than you think. There is the Craft Brewers Alliance which is Redhook and Widmer Bros with a 33% share owned by AB\InBev.

    There is the North American Breweries Company, which owns Pyramid, Magic Hat, Genesse and Dundee.

    The Gambrinus Company owns Shiner, Trumer and Bridgeport.

    Other than that most craft brewers are pretty much independently owned. AB obviously bought Goose Island and some major Euro brands, but they haven't gotten anyone else yet. The big boys are probably more focused on the faux craft lines now (Shock Top, Third Shift, et al)
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  3. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    With well over 2,000 breweries and brewpubs in the US, " so many micros are owned by groups or fellow micros" might be a bit of an exaggeration. Off-hand, the obvious ones that come to mind:

    • Craft Brews Alliance - Widmer, Redhook, Kona
    • IBU - Magic Hat, Pyramid and Portland (formerly MacTarnahan) - owned by NAB (Genesee, Labatt importer)
    • Mendocino, Old Saratoga and Butte Creek - owned by India beverage giant UB Group (partially owned by Heineken)
    • Long Trail owns The Shedd and Otter Creek
    • Butternuts owns Cooperstown Brewing Co.
    • Spoetzl, BridgePort and Trumer (in the US) owned by former Corona importer, Gambrinus
    One corporate parent company owns two of the large brewpub chains, but I don't have much interest in them and can't recall their names:D
    EDIT:
    Oh, yeah it's Craftworks which owns both the Gordon Biersch and Rock Bottom brewpub chains.
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  4. Kgrubb1224

    Kgrubb1224 Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Sorry for the overexaggeration, but at the shop I work at it just seems so many of the new beers we get are Third Shift, The Shed, Wolaver, Widmer's Ommission, etc. Just tired of new "Micro" beers that are owned by a group or the faux 'Micro" owned by Macros.
  5. BKBassist

    BKBassist Member

    Location:
    New York
    Of those, Third Shift is the only clearly "macro" owned brand there. AB's stake in the Craft Brewer's alliance is not a majority, and the combination of the Long Trail brands still makes them far from macro.
  6. Kgrubb1224

    Kgrubb1224 Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Another beer-Is Leinenkugel self-owned?
  7. BKBassist

    BKBassist Member

    Location:
    New York
    Bought by Miller in 1988. Google is thy friend :)
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  8. jesskidden

    jesskidden Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    A couple more:

    • Jolly Pumpkin, North Peak and Grizzly Peak all under the same ownership - NUBCO
    • F. X. Matt (Saranac brand) also owns Flying Bison in Buffalo, NY and isn't there a connection with Lake Placid Brewing besides contracting their bottled products?
  9. Thedrizzle

    Thedrizzle Member

    Location:
    Florida
    You can always tell when the beer goes to crap.
  10. boney77

    boney77 Member

    Location:
    Ontario (Canada)
    If I recall correctly, Miller Coors has a small stake in Terrapin as well.

    Up North, Unibroue is owned by Sleemans, who is owned by Sapporo, and Creemore + Granville Island are owned by Molson Coors who run them under their Six Pints flag.
  11. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Member

    Location:
    Washington
    Unibroue! Owned by Sapporo since 2006:eek:
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  12. Johnhaley1989

    Johnhaley1989 Member

    Location:
    North Dakota
  13. Thedrizzle

    Thedrizzle Member

    Location:
    Florida
  14. Kgrubb1224

    Kgrubb1224 Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
  15. aasher

    aasher Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    That said, there is a big need for Widmer's Omission series. They're gluten free beers that taste like beer.
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  16. Mattyb79

    Mattyb79 Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Why is there such a huge concern over who owns every brewery? If you like the beer they make, drink it! If not, does it really matter who owns the brewery???
  17. kotayk

    kotayk Member

    Location:
    California
    Now that u know ... U must hate the and the swill they produce
  18. kotayk

    kotayk Member

    Location:
    California
    I could not agree more

    Add it to the many BA memes along side such oldies as:
    Pliny is over rated, I prefer blind pig
    This batch is better/worse than last batch
    This years batch of (insert name of rare ris) has a thin watery mouthfeel
    Etc. etc.
  19. fmccormi

    fmccormi Member

    Location:
    New York
    Oh, totally. I DEFINITELY had a sneaking suspicion that La Fin du Monde was actually satan's piss. Totally saw that coming years ago, just didn't say anything.
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  20. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Member

    Location:
    Indiana
    Lost Abbey is an off shoot of Port brewing/pizza port.
    Sierra Nevada owns Ovila (interesting story here)
  21. Jake1605

    Jake1605 Member

    Location:
    Missouri
    Port Brewing - Lost Abbey
  22. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Some people care about where their money ends up.
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  23. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Member

    Location:
    Michigan
    Pete's Wicked Ale is no more. See Gambinus. Just saying.
    ete
  24. MichiBrew

    MichiBrew Member

    Location:
    Michigan
    Because, without being overly rigid about it, its nice to know that most of the beers I love come from independent stand alone and local breweries...I wont get into the corporate pigs controlling everything argument...generally speaking I prefer small and local to large and mega corporate...that being said, I have no prob drinkin a macro if someone offers it to me...its just not what I prefer...minus GI BA stouts and barleywines...
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  25. Providence

    Providence Member

    Location:
    Rhode Island
    To some it does. I for one am very interested in who owns the brewery I am about to purchase a beer from. Even if the beer tastes good, sometimes there are reasons not to buy a brew. The majority of people may not operate like this, but there are many who do.
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  26. kotayk

    kotayk Member

    Location:
    California
    if the corporate pigs can make a beer that tastes good i will drink it.
    I'm sure you also only shop from farmers markets, directly from the farmer, have never stepped into a home depot or Target and wouldn't be caught dead inside of a MacD's.
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  27. Mattyb79

    Mattyb79 Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    OK, I know and very much respect your opinion on this matter and I have seen numerous posts from you (and Providence) on this subject, but I still just don't get this stance. If A-B is actually doing something completely unethical, please fill me in and my opinion may change. However, every time I have asked this question, I have gotten either crickets or a bunch of non descriptive vague responses that I chalk up to hearsay.
  28. Mattyb79

    Mattyb79 Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    So you are on my side then. Either that or you don't realize that you completely contradict yourself with this post.
  29. sprucetip

    sprucetip Member

    Location:
    Alaska
    Yes it does. If you give a shit about whether or not your money goes to a quality business that cares about the community in which it is situated, or whether it is just a common corporate criminal, with no concerns other than their bottom line. Of course there are grey areas between the poles, but ask you friend in St. Louis how well the InBev thing is working out for the community, workers, economy etc.
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  30. olfolxholme

    olfolxholme Member

    Location:
    California
    I don't really buy from Widmer or Goose Island anymore... Would only do so if there were no independent options available and it was between those and a total Macrobrew.
  31. sprucetip

    sprucetip Member

    Location:
    Alaska
    define unethical. Is playing hardball with bars/retailers on tap handles and shelf space (because you are the school yard bully and you know you can get away with it) ethical? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. To me it is. I don't like how they operate. I don't much care for mass consumerism corporate culture whether it is AB, Walmart or McDonalds. It's bad for workers, the economy, and the products suck compared to how we used to do things in this country (making quality products that last and paying living or even better wages).
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  32. brewsader

    brewsader Member

    Location:
    Connecticut
    so what's ethical about that??
  33. sprucetip

    sprucetip Member

    Location:
    Alaska
    Oops. My "is" was supposed to be "is not." I will fix it pronto. Good catch! ... Can't fix it. My intent was to say playing hard ball is not ethical.
  34. auhwfm

    auhwfm Member

    Location:
    California
    Perhaps no one wants to get into an argument over something that essentially boils down to a personal philosophy. If you don't believe that putting your money in the hands of the BMC's, Coca-Cola's, and the like is detrimental to the welfare of the planet and it's inhabitants; then there is probably little that could be said in an online beer forum to change that. If you are honestly totally naive to the reasons that some people distrust or even dislike corporations gaining control of yet more of the planets resources, and really are curious, you could begin by watching(or re-watching) Beer Wars. Then perhaps explore The Corporation: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/

    I don't fully agree with everything in either of those movies, however they touch upon the question you seem to be so hard pressed to find answers to.
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  35. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Member

    Location:
    Washington
    If that isn't truly proof that INbev isn't one ring to rule them all, I am not sure what is!
  36. sprucetip

    sprucetip Member

    Location:
    Alaska
    This is the corrected version of my comment above, in case anyone else is confused.
  37. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Member

    Location:
    Washington
    I think some of us are concerned because, sometimes a takeover can "ruin" or totally eliminate the production of a certain beer. Take Old Latrobe's Rolling Rock, When they were purchased by A-B the factory was shut down entirely and moved to the A-B Factory. It now tastes like bud light in a green can ! The same thing has happened with Becks and several other beers as well. Forgive me, but I am skeptical about takeovers unless their goal is to save a product which would have been made obsolete, due to a failing business and was saved by the takeover.
  38. Nectar

    Nectar Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Ill drink GI BCBS and its other limited releases but that's where my line is drawn. My philosophy on the topic is simply a 50/50 mix of watching who my money goes to and finding BCBS, BCBCS, and Big John really fucking good.
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  39. Mattyb79

    Mattyb79 Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    Maybe I am missing some of your point, but if you can give me an example of a craft brewery paying better wages than A-B, I'd be really interested to hear it. As for the shelf space argument, every large company in the world does this.....more money, more prominent shelf space. Is that wrong or is it just the result of a capitalist society? A-B has been around since the 1800's and I debate your statement about "how we did things in America" since I doubt their beer has changed that much in the time they've made it. If people choose not to buy A-B products because they want to support their local breweries, I'm all for that. Just don't give a bunch of BS reasons why the corporation is "evil".
  40. Mattyb79

    Mattyb79 Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    But did those beers truly change after the "takeover", or were they always less than desirable adjuncts?

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