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Wrong to drink Sours after IPAs (or vice versa)?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Immortale25, Feb 13, 2013.

  1. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Champion (875) North Carolina May 13, 2011 Beer Trader

    I've been beginning to wonder what the effects of hops in IPAs and lactic acid in Sours have on our palates. If I'm drinking a highly bitter IPA, should I not drink a sour afterward because my palate has just been assaulted with alpha acids and it might not taste the way it's supposed to? Or is it the other way around? If I have just drank a really strong Gueuze or other wild ale, will the IPA or other types of beer have a weaker flavor? Trying to experiment with this is pricey because sours are so expensive, so I wanted to see what other people's thoughts are.
  2. Drink what you want, when you want, responsibly/in moderation.

    Personally I dont drink anything expensive or review a beer after a hoppy IPA or DIPA. Or any palate taxing beer (RIS, Barleywine) for that matter.
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  3. BKBassist

    BKBassist Advocate (525) New York Jan 24, 2013

    If I know sours are on the table, they are my opener. Just as if I know I'll be mixing in a DIPA or RIS, I'll save that til later in the session. I often like to close the evening with a APA or a nice Pilsner or Kolsch. Seems like a natural progression to me that allows all flavors to stand alone.
  4. side note: I predict that some brewer will release a sour IPA within the next 12 months.
  5. weltywm

    weltywm Savant (305) Pennsylvania Jul 27, 2012

    I've found that sometimes a nice sour can be a sort of palate cleanser after or between really hoppy beers. Although, you might not enjoy the sour as much as you would otherwise.
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  6. BKBassist

    BKBassist Advocate (525) New York Jan 24, 2013

  7. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Champion (780) Pennsylvania Dec 9, 2008 Subscriber

    How about Anchorage Galaxy White IPA? Not sour, necessarily, but Anchorage makes everything with brett.
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  8. brett != sour. We're going to see a puckering IPA.
  9. kawilliams81

    kawilliams81 Advocate (650) Illinois Feb 27, 2009 Beer Trader

    Exactly. Most big beer tastings my tasting group has we always have a few sours to mix it up and like you said somewhat cleanse the palate.
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  10. crusian

    crusian Advocate (700) Oregon May 14, 2010 Beer Trader

    New Belgium La terroir...
    If anything, you shouldn't have an ipa after an ipa, or a sour after a sour.
    I often go back and forth though.
  11. Thorpe429

    Thorpe429 Champion (930) Illinois Aug 18, 2008 Beer Trader

    It is fine either way. They're completely different. It is perfect to have a sour between hoppy beers, or vice versa.
  12. Just remember to stay true to your heart.
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  13. JonnyBeers

    JonnyBeers Advocate (535) British Columbia (Canada) Oct 24, 2012 Beer Trader

    Drinking a Galaxy from Anchorage right now. more of a Saison than IPA imo. but tasty!
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  14. danieelol

    danieelol Advocate (595) Australia Jun 15, 2010

  15. powpig2002

    powpig2002 Savant (400) Florida Jan 26, 2012

  16. hardy008

    hardy008 Champion (780) Minnesota Jan 12, 2008 Subscriber

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  17. There are dry hopped sours but high levels of bitterness and sourness are not complementary.
  18. champ103

    champ103 Poobah (1,040) Texas Sep 3, 2007 Beer Trader

    No, insert snarky comment now, and drink what you want when you want.
  19. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Champion (780) Pennsylvania Dec 9, 2008 Subscriber

    Not sure what != means, but brett does not necessarily equal sour. It only gets sour when introduced to a lot of oxygen, otherwise emits other funky, or dry, or mushroomy, or pineappley flavors.
    Also, how about Victory Wild Devil? Don't know if they'll ever make it again, sadly.
  20. Oh jesus christ, shut up and drink and your beer
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  21. philbe311

    philbe311 Advocate (635) Pennsylvania Jan 21, 2008 Subscriber

    Personally, I'm not sure I would mix the two... However, it's beer, it's supposed to be a fun hobby... Don't over analyze...
  22. Jspriest

    Jspriest Savant (465) Pennsylvania Feb 9, 2011 Beer Trader

    This. Hops inhibit lactobacillus proliferation, which is usually your best bet at a puckering sour.

    Tired Hands put out a "sour IPA" a few months ago called "Good Good Things." It was neither sour nor a good good thing. Dry-hopped Sours a la Iris and Le Terroir, and Brett IPAs will be the way of the world till someone finds a way to skirt that little chemical issue. Or so I predict.
  23. TNGabe

    TNGabe Initiate (0) Tennessee Feb 6, 2012

    I'm hearing about hop tolerant lacto strains. Strange things are afoot.
  24. Jspriest

    Jspriest Savant (465) Pennsylvania Feb 9, 2011 Beer Trader

    This would be good good news!
  25. Rotate between different styles when you've got a lot of bottles to taste. Keeps the palate from becoming fatigued too quickly. Having two hoppy beers in succession just isn't fair to whichever one comes second... the hops will inevitably seem muted in comparison to the first.

    This is a major flaw in the way homebrew competitions are judged, IMO...
  26. != means 'does not equal'. I'm on your side with this one.
  27. if its wrong them i dont wanna be right.
  28. dmeadows

    dmeadows Savant (320) New York Aug 6, 2002

    It's only wrong if you feel shame afterwards.
  29. I think a good sour and a good IPA side by side makes for a great beer pairing. I usually only do it if I'm drinking with at least one other person and sharing. Double fisting makes bartenders think you've had too much.
  30. New Belgium Le Terroir, dry hopped with Amarillo, if they put sour IPA on the bottle I don't think anybody would have argued that.
    It was my favorite sour beer ever, I hope we see more Sour IPA's
  31. drgarage

    drgarage Advocate (525) California Aug 19, 2008

    At a tasting event a bit ago, Vinnie from RR told me his favorite time to drink a Blind Pig IPA was after a bunch of sours. So maybe -- maybe -- this is acceptable behavior. Maybe.
  32. LightNFoamy

    LightNFoamy Aficionado (105) Minnesota Feb 9, 2013 Beer Trader

    agreed, Surly has Brettwagon and Brett Liquor two Brett fermented IPAs. Not sour, delicious and faintly tart, but not sour
  33. Etan

    Etan Champion (765) Wisconsin Jul 11, 2011

    That's so 1998 (sorta):
  34. Etan

    Etan Champion (765) Wisconsin Jul 11, 2011

    that's why I said "sorta" ;) Although I would be curious to know how Iris would taste with clean fermentation, keeping the dry-hopping....
  35. MrDanno96

    MrDanno96 Savant (390) Ohio Aug 26, 2009

    Buy a bomber of Hop Stoopid and a 750 of Cuvee Rene Geuze. Should be a fairly inexpensive experiment.
  36. Lots of wild strains are hop and alcohol tolerant. The lacto strains frequently distributed by the yeast labs are selected for predictability and preferred flavor profile. You might get some wild lacto that is unafraid of alpha acids but makes your beer taste terrible.

    Pedio and acetobacter will also sour beer (in different ways) but tend not to be negatively affected by alpha acids. So it's not as though it can't be done just that the results usually aren't pleasant. Just add some vinegar to an IPA and see if that's something you would enjoy.
  37. Kaz646

    Kaz646 Aficionado (100) California Dec 14, 2010

    I've also found sours to be great palate cleansers. I usually like to end my night with a sour because it will cut through anything I've just had.
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  38. OneDropSoup

    OneDropSoup Champion (780) Pennsylvania Dec 9, 2008 Subscriber

    Ah, good to know. I always use =/=
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