Eisenbahn Vigorosa (Weizenbock) | Cervejaria Sudbrack Ltda

Eisenbahn Vigorosa (Weizenbock)Eisenbahn Vigorosa (Weizenbock)
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Eisenbahn Vigorosa (Weizenbock)Eisenbahn Vigorosa (Weizenbock)

Brewed by:
Cervejaria Sudbrack Ltda

Style: Weizenbock

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
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Added by soper2000 on 08-30-2005

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Ratings: 105 |  Reviews: 90
Photo of Halcyondays
3.62/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

335 mL bottle, thanks Jon,

A: Pours a deep brown with a medium off-white head, solid retention, no lace.

S: Banana bread, definite plum and Concord grape jelly.

T: Cloves come to the forefront a lot more than in the nose. Some dark malt, lots of dark fruit - spiced plums, mission figs and raisins.

M: Medium-bodied, fairly boozy, prickly carbonation.

D: A good weizenbock, not super complex or estery, but it's a solid effort.

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Photo of BedetheVenerable
2.71/5  rDev -27.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Presentation: 12oz brown screw cap; no date that I saw

Appearance: Mahogany beer capped by a dark ivory cap. A strong pour produces a nice 2 finger head, but this fades way too quickly to a patchy film and ring.

Smell: Lots of sticky dark fruit (I'm getting dried figs and raisins) as well as some dark brown sugar and a hint of fruity alcohol. Pretty nice overall.

Taste: Unfortunately the flavors don't match the aromas. While there is a really nice, almost burnt toffee characteristic here, the attractive dark fruit aromas are not mirrored in the flavor profile. Hint of earthiness, and a lot (especially for an 8% beer) of fruity alcohol. Too much, IMO.

Mouthfeel: The booziness comes together with a thinner than usual mouthfeel to make this really pretty lackluster.

Drinkability: I dunno if I'm going to get through this one...

Conclusion: Back to the drawing board with this one I'm afraid.

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Photo of Tone
3.71/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a clear, dark brown color. 1/4 inch head of an off-white color. Slight retention and poor lacing. Smells of sweet malt, dark citrus, yeast, slight alcohol, and hint of wheat. Fits the style of a Weizenbock. Mouth feel is smooth and clean, with an average carbonation level. Tastes of alcohol, sweet malt, slight dark citrus, and yeast. Overall, lacking in body, but good blend and aroma.

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Photo of laituegonflable
3.57/5  rDev -4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a rich umber colour, beautifully cloudy and bronze up to the light. Head is pretty pleasant, dense and beige, sinking steadily, lace left is disappointingly thin actually, but yeah, the nice head makes up for it.

Nose is tasty, malty and sweet for the most part, with a pleasant caramel aroma and a hint of brownness - like toastiness but not quite dark and bitter enough for that, just slight sourness. Hints of raisin and cinnamon on there as well and a mild citric hop character. Very pleasant aromatic nose, sweet and fresh.

Taste is considerably more sour, has a fair amount of citrus zest on the front that descends into a slight milkiness on the mid where the malt rises to join it. A hint of vinegar on the mid before it gets mildly toasty again, with some notes of toasted grain and pine nuts, plus light citric hop notes. Quite tangy on the finish actually but really, overall it seems a bit weak, never quite reaches 'full' flavour, could be sweeter, darker or hoppier and lacks classic weizen esters really.

Fairly good body though, seems a bit light for the dryness it produces on the finish, but not bad.

Weak doesn't equal offensive. It needs a bit more balance, like more malt on the front but it's not a bad drop.

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Photo of lacqueredmouse
4.07/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a thick and cloudy deep brown amber colour, with some bubbling head when provoked, but otherwise just a film of off-white bubbling. The thickness and the opaqueness of the body are very nice.

Big sweet weizen notes. More than a hint of banana, some sweet caramel and even a slight hint of booze. Very smooth, rich and very much like a weizenbock should be. Absolutely lovely.

Mouthfeel is surprisingly thin, which is noticeable right from the start - a shame, and unexpected given the apparent thickness in the body. Taste is smooth, lacking a little of the rich and heavy sweetness I was expecting, but with some really pleasant light boozy phenols and a round deep weizen flavour.

A really good weizenbock. One of the best non-German examples I've had. Eisenbahn again show their skills in producing fine examples of classic styles.

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Photo of zeff80
3.1/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

A - Poured out a dark garnet color with a one-finger, thin, tan head. It left little to no lace on the glass.

S - It smelled a little boozy and malty with just a touch of wheat aroma.

T - Taste was not much different from the aroma. Boozy, malty and not much wheat.

M - It was fairly crisp and smooth. A medium bodied beer.

D - Weizenbock? More like a dopplebock. I got very little wheat flavors.

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Photo of EgadBananas
3.75/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I hastily poured this without getting all any of the sediment, so I will have to do a follow up with the yum-yum's.

It's dark, with ruby highlights throughout the edges. Off white head, and no lacing really.

Smells spicy sweet. Rich in malts with a bit of caramel sweetness.

Taste is similar, yet there is definitely a little alcohol kick in the finish. I don't see a whole lot of the wheat in this...the dopplebock characteristics may over power that naturally.

Light-medium body, easy on the carbonation and smooth on the finish.

This is a not too, yet not under complex brew that can be enjoyed over and over.

This is a Brazilian beer, but brewed in one of the most heavily German influenced states, it carries so much of the
German style of beer, as you can plainly notice in the name and city it's brewed. Culture done well; on both sides of the playing field.

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Photo of daledeee
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I just stumbled on this today and wondered what a Brazilian doppelbock would taste like.

It pours with a decent head that left nice lace as I drank it. The head was light tan and the beer itself was dark brown but you can see a little light if you hold it up to the light.

Nose is malty, syrupy and caramel

Taste is very malty with some caramel. It is not overly sweet like some others and not that spicy. I would have given it a higher mark if it was a little spicier. The beer seems to mellow a bit as it sits in the glass. I did not hurry!

Mouth feel is good with medium carbonation and not overly sticky.

This beer is very easy to drink and a very good example of the style.

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Photo of brdc
3.5/5  rDev -5.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Had this one multiple times in Brazil, quite fresh as expected. It seems as though it is a better beer than we get here, although nothing spectacular.

Golden brown, tan head, but just average retention, minimal lacing.
Nose, just like the palate, is predominantly malty and sweetish, with bread, nuts, oats, vanilla and even a banana hint. Light bodied.
Nice, but as mentioned, nothing spectacular, but well worthwhile if you happen to have one fresh in hands.

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Photo of DoubleJ
4.33/5  rDev +16.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I don´t know what `vigarosa´ means in Portuguese, but I had this weizenbock earlier tonight with my friend here in Brazil. 355 ml twist-off, on to the beer:

It´s a dark brown colored beer, almost nlike leather, topped by a large head that continues to say large and leaves lots of attractive lacing. Lots of banana bread in the nose. The nose is nicely spiced as well. A strong tasting beer, but the alcohol is hidden perfecty. Theré is a lot of banana, a touch of clove, topped with more banana bread. Goes down extremely easy for it´s size.

In short, an outstanding weizenbock. I don´t know how fresh it is in the states, but in Brazil, it is exceptional!

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Photo of Windigstadt
3.6/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a cloudy chestnut hue with a decent offwhite head, though it dissipated somewhat quickly for a wheat beer.

S: Wow, that's quite the aroma. We're talking beyond malty... it's like every kind of sugar mixed together, plus a little lemon too. I'm also picking up a hint of banana, but none of the phenols I would expect from a Weizen.

T: This is a very sweet beer, though it's more crystal malt sweetness (think brown sugar) than Munich malt sweetness (think sweet bread). Hardly any clove or banana. Hops are virtually non-existent, with an alcoholic dryness keeping the beer from being intolerably sweet.

M: While I would expect a heavy, thick mouthfeel, this beer is actually rather thin and alcoholic.

D: The thinness makes this rather drinkable for an 8% beer.

Overall: This isn't a bad beer, but certainly isn't what I would like in a Weizenbock. It's rather one-dimensional and thin. I don't want to come off as a style Nazi, but I expect more bready complexity and stone fruit, and more esters and phenols, from a Weizenbock.

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Photo of brentk56
3.85/5  rDev +3.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: Pours a dark amber color with a modest head that leaves a few dribs and drabs of lace

Smell: Fruity, with banana, plum and clove dominant, with caramel beneath

Taste: Fruity, up front, with the banana, green apple and plum favors joined, at mid-palate, by white pepper and clove spice; after the swallow, the sweeter fruit flavors dominate with a spice cake character in the finish

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with prickly carbonation

Drinkability: The is batch 03 so I am guessing it has been a slow mover but I found that the age allowed the heat to settle down and bring the flavors to the front; rather enjoyable

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Photo of armock
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Poured a dark brown color with a tan head that leaves lacing behind

S - Is good and of roasted malt chocolate and bananas

T - Very good follows the nose well

M - This beer has a thinner body with lighter carbonation

D - Better then I expected after tasting the SAPA first overall I thinks its pretty good and to style worth trying sometime

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Photo of ADZA
3.7/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

The bottle i have is different to this one but its still the same ABV and style so prob just some new labeling,the beer pours a murky brown honeyish colour with average carbonation that leaves a fast vanishing one finger head,it has aromas of sweet sticky date pudding and some alcohol laced candy,it has an average mouthfeel and the palette is flooded with tastes of fruitcake and xmas pudding not bad,not a beer i could drink all night but not bad.

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Photo of wisrarebeer
2.22/5  rDev -40.3%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

A: nice, clean light brown color
S: a bit of clove and banana but too sweet
T: alcohol presence noticeable, some clove/banana but very cloying
M: doesn't dance on the tongue like traditional weiss biers, too sweet
D: needs liveliness, and too sweet

disappointing overall

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Photo of GRG1313
3/5  rDev -19.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Pours a dark red with a very short, thin white head.

Banana bread/pineapple nose with underlying candy sugar and malt and a nose finish of bubblegum. Pleasant and undertones of toffee and carmel in the nose.

Medium light body of banana and malt. A bit thin in the mouth and short in character and finish. Hints of "sweet" malt and banana is primary character with light carbonation.

Short sweet malt finish.

Pleasant but nothing special.

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Photo of scoobybrew
3.76/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This was poured from the bottle into a weizen glass.

A - deep amber color with a thick head that settles quite a bit but is otherwise well retained

S - faint bubble-gum yeast-like notes, some roasted grain scents

T - rich, smooth, sweet malt with a touch of roasted grain; some yeast esters present; alcoholic strength is noted

M - smooth creamy medium-full body with moderate carbonation

D - This is a decent weizenbock. I'm perhaps not enjoying it at the right time of year, but it's tasty nonetheless. I have rarely been disappointed by this brewery.

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Photo of bsp77
3.95/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Received in the April shipment of my Beer of the Month club. Hopefully this is a better month than March. Seriously, what were they thinking?

Serving glass: Poured from bottle into Frankfurt glass.

Appearance: Hazy chocolate brown with huge billowing head that eventually settled to 1/2 inch.

Smell: Banana, bubblegum, sweet dark fruit (plum?), slight noble hops and wheatiness.

Taste: Caramel and fruity malts, some banana and clove spiciness, light bitterness, somewhat grainy from the wheat. Semi-sweet wheat aftertaste.

Feel: Thick and chewy, more moderate carbonation than the pour suggested, slightly warming. There is also a slight chalky coating that it left in my month that detracts a little.

Drinkability: Easy to keep sipping all night long, and the alcohol is mostly hidden. The chalkiness is the only hindrance.

So far, this month's choices are looking better than last month's.

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Photo of CheeseTurds
3.66/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

poured from a bottle. It says on the side that it's from Batch 03, but I can't tell how old it is. Surely, it's not too new if it made the trek from Southern Brazil to San Francisco. The label's all in English so this was clearly bottled for export.

Anyway...it pours a nice dark brown (perhaps dark carmel color). I thought there was a hint of red in it but holding it up to the light just made it look browner. There was about an inch of head but it didn't last long.

On the first whiff I could tell this was going to be a sweet beer. I guess I haven't had anything too sweet lately because that taste really hit me at first. It wasn't boozy, but it tasted like a high alcohol sweetness. I see that it's 8% alcohol so maybe that's what I'm smelling/tasting.

My fridge is at 39 degrees and I thought that maybe that was too cold for this beer so I let the glass sit for a few minutes before drinking any more. When I got back to it, it was easier to taste more of the wheaty taste and maltiness. It was still pretty sweet but still totally drinkable. This seems like a beer better for just plain drinking rather than sipping and analyzing- so I'm just gonna drink it up! I only have one bottle so I don't know what it'd be like to drink a bunch in a row. I think it would be good, though.

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Photo of popery
3.72/5  rDev 0%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Vigorosa is an okay Weizenbock that suffers from comparisons to the top beers of the style. Aventinus and the relatively new Weihenstephaner Vitus really blow this beer out of the water. It's certainly not a bad beer. It's just sort of simple and unsophisticated in comparison to the big German entries, which happen to be a couple of my very favorite beers. Anyway, this beer looks pretty good, red amber liquid with a dissipating beige head. There are some good wheat and fruit notes in the nose, but they're a bit restrained. There just isn't enough depth The flavor is too sweet and cloying for my taste. The flavors are syrupy clove, ripe banana and caramel malt. There are also some unpleasant alcohol notes. It's not sharp, but there's just a bit of a rubbing alcohol flavor around the edges. I sound down on this beer, but I think it's good. It's just not great.

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Photo of AltBock
2.68/5  rDev -28%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

12 oz. bottle with a colorful drawing of a steaming locomotive plowing through the rain forest. There's nothing more satisfying then plowing through a precious ecosystem with a big powerful mechanical object. I dare you find something more satisfying than that! To the left of the train is the US government warning and to the right of the train is the beer's ingredients, refund values, and a batch number. My bottle was from batch number 10. From this, I can tell that it's from...uh, I don't know.

I had no other choice than to pour this Weizenbock into my Erdinger Weizen glass.This beer's color was a cross between a dark caramel brown and an apple cider brown. Usually Weizens have a massive head of foam on them, but this weizen had a tiny 1/4 of an inch head of foam. I honestly can't say what the color of the head of foam was because it dissipated away too fast. Did it leave behind any lace? Hell No! It only left behind 2 clear rings. Not lace, rings! Spots or streaks of lace was nonexistent.

The aroma was on the light side of things. I swirled it around to see if the aroma would wake up a little bit, but it was no avail. The aroma was still on the light side with roasted wheat, a hint of cloves, a touch of banana, a drop of salt water, and plenty of alcohol. I should mention that if this beer is swirled around, the aroma will increase the scent of alcohol. The aroma of this beer was mostly alcohol with a few Weizen characteristics behind it.

The taste was a little better than the aroma that this beer contained. Luckily there wasn't any salt water in the taste. This Weiznbock kicked off with roasted wheat, a touch of ripe banana, and a pinch of cloves. It was after the cloves where this beer showed its true side, alcoholic. The strong taste of alcohol at the end almost tasted like medicinal alcohol. Not good! I know this beer has a 8% ABV, but the strong taste of alcohol at the end made it fell like it contained a 11% ABV content.

Event though this beer had a strong taste of medicinal alcohol to it, it was more of a medium bodied beer. The aftertaste had the taste of roasted wheat, a hint of banana and cloves, a splash of caramel, and a mild touch of alcohol. It's funny, the alcohol in the aftertaste wasn't medicinal like the one in the initial taste was.

I sure hope I got a bad batch of this beer and not all of these taste like this. I have no idea what other batches taste like, but batch 10 relied too much on the alcohol to get it through. If any of the other batches taste like this, then I fully doubt I'd ever drink this beer again.

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Photo of biggmike
3.67/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

This beer poured with a reddish-brown body with a fluffy white head that dissipated slowly. The aroma was of caramel, banana, and clove. The flavor was pretty much the same with some chocolate also coming through. This tasted similar to an Aventinus to me, but the alcohol was more present in the taste than an Aventinus. Decent, but needs a little more refining.

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Photo of scruffwhor
3.77/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Ruddy ruby and amber color. Somewhat viscous looking liquid, but when you hold this cola looking beer up to the light, you can see a nice column of bubbles rising to the top. Great aromas of plum, bread, clove, banana, and even some faint bubblegum. Hops aren't noticeable in the nose or taste, But the sweet, fruity yeast or carmelized malt is not cloying at all. Great banana bread combo of yeast and malt upfront. Good carbonation lets the 8% abv give some kiwi fruit flavors. But the alcohol doesn't add a warming feeling to the mouthfeel. Pretty fruity, the wheat and east flavors are shown in full glory with this beer. Plus the deceptive alcohol that mingles very well with the rest of the flavors.

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Photo of GbVDave
4/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz bottle into a St. Bernardus goblet.

Batch No. 05

A: Pours an impenetrably hazy, caramel-sauce color. All sediment was swirled and poured into the glass and it was nearly impossible to see any floating in the glass (now that's cloudy!). Tiny light tan head immediately dissolves to a thick and bubbly ring that leaves no lace.

S: This one sports subtle aromas of caramel, chocolate, banana, spicy yeast, and raisins.

T: Spicy white pepper and yeast mix it up with caramel, chocolate, bread pudding, banana bread, pan roasted nuts, dark/tangy fruit, and toasted malt.

M: Big and peppery with a sticky oilyness in the middle that leads into a dry and tangy finish.

D: Where is the alcohol? Who cares! This is a great example of the style and will do time in my fridge again...

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Photo of Bierguy5
3.92/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle, 8% ABV, batch 03. Pours a cloudy mahogany color. Thin tan head disappears immediately. Not too bad looking.

Lots of fruit, particularly banana up front. Hints of chocolate and caramel. A bit vinous with a hint of oxidation, adding a bit of complexity.

A bit of caramel and chocolate flavor at first. A bit of tartness from the wheat comes in next. Lots of ripe fruit, with just a hint of earthy bitterness. Some warming from the alcohol. Nice caramel, banana finish.

Medium body, carbonation seems a bit low for the style. Pretty nice and enjoyable.

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Eisenbahn Vigorosa (Weizenbock) from Cervejaria Sudbrack Ltda
Beer rating: 60% out of 100 with 105 ratings
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