Carnegie Porter 5,5%
Carlsberg Sverige AB

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Style:
Baltic Porter
Ranked #28
ABV:
5.5%
Score:
92
Ranked #3,133
Avg:
4.12 | pDev: 10.68%
Reviews:
357
Ratings:
603
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Carlsberg Sverige AB
 
Sweden
Avail:
Year-round
Wants
  70
Gots
  48
SCORE
92
Outstanding
Carnegie Porter 5,5%Carnegie Porter 5,5%
Notes: First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

40 IBU
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Reviews by ypsifly:
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3.62/5  rDev -12.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

1997 vintage 8.82oz bottle poured into a goblet.

Almost black with so little carbonation there is no head, or anything on top.

Notes of molasses and chocolate malts. Smells very stout like. Slight oxidation noticable.

The taste is very mellow. Chocolate is the dominant flavor, but there isn't much body to this beer. The lack of carbonation and fading of any hops over time leave this brew with zero bite and a rather weak mouthfeel.

I think this one might be past prime.

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ypsifly from Michigan, May 08, 2005
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4.94/5  rDev +19.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Presentation: 8.82fl.oz. cute little brown bottle. "årgång 1997" states that it's their '97 vintage. "stark" is strong.

Appearance: Deep, dark brown/ruby red. Head pours weak at first with large bubbles, then it creates a 1/4" cream lace under the same. It dissipates to a patchy, creamy off-white lace. A gentle swirl will induce a more creamy head.

Smell: One of the best aromas that I have ever come across. Big malt aromas of dark fruits and sweet raw malts, touch of caramel malt, black liquorice, oak and vanilla. Esters and oxidation are noted. Very rich and complex nose.

Taste: Sweet malt profile of caramel (faint diacetyl/butter flavours), grape-like flavours, light molasses and chocolate. No real "roasted" type flavours, which makes it a very traditional Porter, however you can just pick up a faint smoked malt flavour. Body is medium to full, mouthfeel is a bit chewy and luscious. Towards the end you can taste some oxidation and cherry/oak notes, a by-product of its age. Finishes slighty dry and bready, with notes of grain husk and chocolate residuals.

Notes: This vintage has probably reached its peak, though I'd be interested in tasting it again in a few years. It's an amazing example of the style and ripe for the tasting. I implore everyone to try this magnificent Swedish beer.

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Todd from California, Feb 04, 2001
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3.56/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

4/17/05- Purchased at a wine and spirits store in Sonoma, CA

Presentation- 8.8oz bottle, vintage 1997, poured into my Corsendonk tulip.

Appearance- Dark and lightly sryupy pour, no head or lacing whatsoever.

Smell- Very sweet, almost like a prune juice scent. Alcohol fumes as well. Interesting.

Taste- Raisins, prunes, raosted malt in the background with maybe a light coffee grounds flavor. Maybe, just maybe a touch of super dark chocolate as well.

Mouthfeel- Pretty watery, almost like a watered down coffee liquor.

Drinkability- Not bad, but definitely not worth the $4.95 I paid for this not even 9oz of liquid. Worth a try if you can find it for cheaper, but still not a great baltic IMO.

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GClarkage from California, Apr 18, 2005
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4.5/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2009 Vintage

Ingmar Bergman, Strindberg, Peter Forsberg, Michael Thelvin and Abba use to come to mind when I thought of Sweden's contribution to civilization. Now I have to include the astounding Carnegie Porter as well having just polished off a bottle in short work.

Poured partially into an ISO tasting glass with the lion's share in a high tumbler.

Lovely soft dark chocolately roasty nose. Pours a dark brown black which while perhaps not a crystal clear in colour as I might have expected but gives a deep brown shine at the bottom of the glass. Slick slightly rocky tan head.

Beautiful smooth roasty chocolate-like taste to start. Velvety suave medium firm body. Effortlessly luscious but controlled chocolate and wonderfully succulent. Classy, firm, restrained, luxurious, complete.

Undoubtedly benchmark porter. Class in a glass. Let the prostrating begin.

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Zimbo from United Kingdom (Scotland), Mar 09, 2011
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3.45/5  rDev -16.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured into a tumbler a brown color, but ends up basically an opaque black color in the glass. Thin tan head, fizzles out quickly - no retention, carbonation is still apparent on the surface.

It smells like a porter right away. But not much of a nose.. just some rich coffeeish and molasses with just a hint of smoke and hops.

Light-medium bodied, but seems light for a porter.. lots of carbonation grabs the tongue. I like a porter that shows this much carbonation, but it is really strong this time around. Medium rich malt flavor, but not smokey or toasty.. kind of plain in that regard. As far as the hops, it's vaguely hoppy. Not foward like an American porter and not as subtle as a British.. Eh.. it is highly drinkable though.

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MrSeth from Massachusetts, May 06, 2005
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4.14/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This pours a very deep brown with a sandy head that dies down but is easily stirred back up with agitation. On the nose there is licorice, vanilla, leather, tobacco, smoke and raisins. There is a whole lot going on in the nose on this one. In the mouth the licorice mixes with darker fruits that were hidden on the nose. The vanilla is still present but it's mostly through the nose. There is a whole lot going on here, too. The body is medium with relatively lower carbonation and a long finish, especially given the low abv.

Overall, this is one of the most complex brews I've ever had. There are so many flavors going on in both the nose and in the mouth. I had a great evening listening to Jaga Jazzist Live at the Cosmopolite and sipping on a glass of this stuff. It's not too often that I say I'm going to have to revisit a brew to see if I can figure it out more, but this is one of those.

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EricCioe from Montana, Jan 08, 2012
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4.42/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

50F. 97 Vintage, just like the picture.

Black, no head just a few tan bubbles. Looks a reflection of motor oil in a glass.
Smell a bit of yeast, vinous alcohol, and barley soda pop.
oh my god, that's beautiful. Melted bittersweet Callebaut chocolate with bubbles. A little prune syrup, a bit oily like blackstrap molasses. Leaves a puff of deisel smoke as it departs. A very economical beverage. Meaning it's not so layered, or thick and fruity, or hopped up that it jumps all over the palate as if it were a trampoline. This beer is smooth with a smoky bite, with easy barley fruitiness, balanced alcohol and carbonation that reminds me of the difference in ride between my HONDA civic and a towncar. Many beers are variations of a civic: Good rides with personal embellishments that make the civic unique. This Baltic porter gives a ride like a towncar, smooth. Loved it, and could drink buckets of it.

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gbontrag from Colorado, Nov 16, 2004
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4.5/5  rDev +9.2%

mrfrancis from Kentucky, Jun 28, 2013
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3.29/5  rDev -20.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle into Westlveteren goblet in Stockholm, Sweden. Reviewed live.

A: One finger head of nice cream lacing, good thickness, and fair to bad retention. Colour is a solid black.

Sm: Raspberry fruit ester hops, cream, caramelized malt, and I assume barley. Me nose is broken; sorry lads.

T: Fruit estery body alongside nice cream, slight chocolate, and restrained caramelized malt. Complex enough. Built and balanced well, just not bold or inspired.

Mf: Smooth and wet, with adequate but not overdone coarseness and thickness. There is some strange dryness on the finish that isn't really welcome considering the dying ester flavour that accompanies it.

Dr: Average range ABV, very drinkable, and of a high price. The quality is nothing special.

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kojevergas from Colorado, Jul 14, 2011
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3.73/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured just like a Coke, except nearly opaque black. The head formed just as one on a Coke would and even elicited the same color. I find the smell weak overall and lacks that typical slightly toasted aroma. The smell that is there is slightly sweet from the malts with some slight chocolate hints . The taste is typical of porters that don’t try to imitate a stout. Coffee is picked up predominately and is balanced well with a non-toasted malt flavor. Right after draining this one from my mouth there is a sharp,crisp sensation. The mouthfeel is what makes this beer for me. It is extremely creamy and coats the mouth well. I could see myself having a couple of these if they weren’t 5 dollars a 16.9oz bottle.

Overall this is a decent beer. There are other porters out there which are stronger in flavor. If they could kick the flavor up a bit and keep the mouthfeel the same then I think I would like this one even more. Is it worth the price tag? It depends…

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blitz134 from California, Feb 19, 2005
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4.25/5  rDev +3.2%

speak72 from Georgia, Dec 30, 2012
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3.6/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle labeled Argang 1997.

Poured a dark black color with almost no head - what head was there was an off white. Aromas of chocolate and licorice . Lighter tastes. Very light coffee on top of the chocolate. Some roastiness too.

Notes from: 12/30/04

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hopdog from Pennsylvania, Jan 18, 2009
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4.75/5  rDev +15.3%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

LouieBreschi from Maryland, Dec 30, 2014
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4.68/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

5,5%Alc/Vol.
1 Pint. 9 Fl. Oz.
2004

I had one at Ludwig’s Garten in Philly a few weeks back and I had to come back for a review after I found it locally.

Appearance – spot on color with the black core and the light barely sneaking by at the fringes; monumental, frothy mocha head that holds long; lace is respectable, but it could be better-bringing in down from perfect

Smell – chocolate, molasses, some vanilla and dark fruit; the least exciting portion of the package but I still almost stamped it a 4.5

Taste – big malts; molasses and dark chocolate straight from the Whitman’s Sampler; coffee; vanilla comes through which was a certain pleasantry; bitterness comes through in close but its not overpowering

Mouthfeel – incredibly lush to the close where the desert sets in; carbonation is perfect

Drinkability – turnover is so easy, but that dryness sets it back just a bit

Undeniably, D. Carnegie’s porter is top shelf.

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Wonka from Maryland, Apr 27, 2005
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3.68/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a dark brown in the dim lit bar lights. The nose was quite malted & milk chocolate to which my friend, Nick exclaimed, "Smells like Whoppers"! but as it warmed raisins & pitted-fruit took a stronghold.

The taste also changed as it warmed; the initial dusty chocolate slowly morphed into a dry peaty-smokiness before settling into a molasses meets tannic-bark-like flavor reminiscent of a Cabernet about to go bad (but it really worked for awhile).

Pushing 7 years old (2004), this beer needed another good 45 minutes exposed to oxygen before becoming something worthy of that much aging. Although I enjoyed discussing this beer in relationship to Scandinavian cuisine and dreaming of foraging for my dinner in some remote Icelandic forest; back in the real world I found the middle taste most enjoyable and by the last few sips I was completely over this beer.

I would like to try both a younger & older version before settling on my verdict.

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burnheartsMKE from Wisconsin, Jan 18, 2011
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3.67/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A- Very dark, but clearly not opaque, as some light does get through. A decent head forms upon pouring and dissipates at a moderate pace.

S- Dark fruits and minerals seem to be the hallmark flavors of authentic Baltic Porters, and this beer has both of them. A fig-like fruitiness is backed by a minerally, almost metallic aroma. Some sweet chocolate gives it some depth.

T- More emphasis on the malts here, with some raisiny fruit, chocolate syrup, and coffee. Hops lend a decent bitterness to the finish.

M- Pretty full-bodied for such a low-alcohol beer. Decent carbonation, too.

D- The alcohol isn't very high at all, but it seems like it should be higher due to the beer's full body and richness. I'd probably stop after one of these.

Another solid Baltic Porter from Sweden, not Eastern Europe as I had previously assumed. There's nothing that really stands out about this beer, but it's nice and flavorful. Also, when considering that it's only 5.5% alcohol, the amount of flavor is quite impressive. Recommended for fans of the style.

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4.37/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle poured into a tulip glass.

Appearance-Deep brown-black with nice ruby highlights and brilliant clarith. Moderate off-mocha head has pretty good retention and leaves some nice lacing.

Aroma-Bready, caramel, chocolatey, molasses, bread pudding, and lightly roasty, with hints of dark fruit. Sweet, with low to no hops. Very nice malt complexity on the aroma.

Flavor-Bread and chocolate with flavors of plum, prune, and grape. On the mid-palate, some sweet caramel and molasses shows through. Fades to a light roast flavor with some chocolate, toast, and fruits. Rather sweet, but dries out a bit as the roast asserts itself.

Mouthfeel-Medium to medium full body, with moderately low carbonation and a very smooth, creamy mouthfeel.

A very solid baltic porter, if on the low end of the alcohol spectrum. The flavor and aroma are quite good, though I do find it to be a little bit sweet for my taste. Still, fantastic.

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plfahey from Illinois, May 06, 2011
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4.2/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2004 vintage.

Brown color with ample head and lacing. Aroma is mostly sweet, but not overpowering. Taste is smooth with roast at the end. After taste is clean and short. This beer tastes very clean withnot too many distractions. I really enjoy that. Not many off flavors or esters present.

Mouthfeel is great. Perfect. The drinkability of this beer is fantastic. I could see the third being just as good as the first.

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barrelman from New York, Nov 28, 2005
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3.5/5  rDev -15%

acurtis from New Jersey, Mar 16, 2013
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4.03/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

this bottle says 1998. pours a dark dark brown with no head and no lacing. almost looks like flat coke. the smell is great though malt and some chocolate. taste is the same as the smell with the malt lingering in the aftertaste. mouthfeel is somewhat thick and feels really smooth almost like milk or something. i'd probably drink some more if i had it, but if i had something else better, i'd take that. a pretty good brew overall.

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ghurux86 from Missouri, Dec 12, 2004
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4/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Don't see any date on this one so who knows.

A: Pours black with a small thick head. Excellent lacing and head retention.

S: Huh, not what I expected. Sweet and fruity period. Overripe dark fruits and some silky caramel with just a touch of chocolate syrup. No sign of anything roasted/toasted. Not bad, just unexpected.

T: Chocolate and overripe dark fruits. Caramel sweetness with chocolate syrup in the finish. A hint of char lingers in the aftertaste. Has almost a root beer flavor in the aftertaste sometimes.

M: Medium bodied, smooth.

O: Interesting one. A LOT of caramel for a baltic porter, backed with dark fruits. It's smooth and drinkable but definitely unique with the heavy dominant caramel.

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Dope from Massachusetts, Oct 11, 2016
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4/5  rDev -2.9%

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4.09/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Deep, dark mahogany color; decent head, lots of clinging foam along the glass. Excellent aroma, filled with notes of charred grain, figs and dates, cocoa. Rich chocolate flavors with a strong vanilla and mocha components. Full bodied, smooth and lush on the tongue; deep sweetness at the finish.

A fine porter overall, rich and decadent with the taste and leaving a buttery, sweet chocolate coating on the palate from start to finish. The ABV would be on the low side for a Baltic porter, but with such classic flavors and sublime mouthfeel, the alcohol range is really immaterial. A very satisfying porter.

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beergoot from Colorado, Jan 28, 2018
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4.16/5  rDev +1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before May 2014 – holy crap! And I found it in a close-out bin for only $2 a 500ml. Only 2 bottles in there, damn.

Coal black pour, massive ivory head, good lacing – this brew is off on the right foot! Semi-stoutish aroma of chocolate, coffee, and the infamous sour ale.

Dry quaff works the above notes into the taste quite well. Just a small pop of chalkyness, and this processes a nice hop balance to qwell any cloying sweetness. Creamy like a milk stout, the 5 and a half % alcohol makes this close to a real session drinker.

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Vancer from Illinois, Jan 18, 2008
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4.32/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
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