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Carnegie Porter 5,5% | Carlsberg Sverige AB

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Carlsberg Sverige AB
Sweden
carlsberg.se

Style: Baltic Porter

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

40 IBU

Added by BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#2,285
Reviews:
354
Ratings:
583
pDev:
10.73%
Bros Score:
4.77
 
 
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68
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Photo of nlmartin
4.74/5  rDev +15.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This beer was purchased at Jungle Jims. The beer was served in a imperial pint glass. The beer was the 2004 vintage. The bottle says best by 2014. I just dont know if this is a realistic best by date.

Appearance: The beer pours a black coloration with ruby opaqueness to light. The beer had a thick creamed coffee colored head. The head resolved itself into a thin ring. Patches of lacing remain on my glass.

Smell: This beer is loaded with dark roasted and toasted malts. The beer produces wiffs of smokeyness. The beer is majorly loaded with dark fruityness perhaps figs, prunes and black currants. The beer has a bit of choco and coffee smells playing in the smell. I cant really pinpoint anything that is hoppy in origin but I dont care. This is a dam fine smelling beer.

Taste: The beer delivers on the smell big time. This is a malty beer treat. The beer never hits a cloying sweetness. I guess this is due to the roasted and smokey flavors.

Mouthfeel/ Drinkability: The beer is a bit lighter than full bodied. The beer is lightly carbonated. The beer has a bit of buttery creamyness to the mouth. The beer never becomes cloyingly sweet. I would have liked this beer to be a bit thicker on the mouthfeel. The beer is a very drinkable malt bomb. I wish the cost of this was a bit cheaper because it would be a regular in my beer line up.

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Photo of connecticutpoet
4.08/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Vintage 2004.

This brew was a rich, dark brown... clear, and with a one0finger tan head that took a while to die down, first to a layer of foam, eventually to a thin scrim on the surface.

The aroma was of coffee with cream and roasted malts.. but it was very light and airy. Hard to detect.

Taste was very rich, mainly slightly sweet roasted malts. There was also some slightly burnt toffee thrown in there for good measure. Overall well balanced.

Mouthfeel was nice and chewy, quite good for the style. About what I had hoped for,

Drinakability likewise is very good. I just wish it was less expensive, and that it wasn't retired. Oh well, it is still going down well tonight.

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Photo of marc77
2.89/5  rDev -29.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

1998: The head formation is poor, and a only a thin rim of bubbles coats the inside of the glass. Like many porters, a deep garnet hue is noticeable when held up to light. The slightly sweetish, dark caramel malt and mocha - like chocolate malt is quite pleasant, but could be more assertive. Fairly thinly bodied for a porter, and there is nothing outstanding in the malt profile. A fairly one dimensional black patent and chocolate malt bitterness dominates the flavor, thus making this beer a bit unexciting. Hop bitterness has faded and is lost amongst the roasted grain bitterness. The finish is quite dry and too clean. Perhaps this beer has aged poorly, since the complex malt and hop character that comprises a good porter was sorely lacking in this brew. Nothing ventured nothing gained, I guess.

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Photo of TastyIsBeer
3.75/5  rDev -8.5%

Photo of AleWatcher
4.2/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

This is a 2004 vintage, served in an imperial pint.

Dark blackish brown with a 1 finger tan head. No lacing, but decent retention.
Smells of rich, thick malt with notes of caramel, toffee, and chocolate.
The beer tastes just as I'd expect- roasty roasty malts with hints of cocoa and coffee. An acrid smoke character is warmly inviting.

The body is hefty, but creamy and sturdy. Good low carbonation level is spot on.

Overall-- this is nice. I'll be grabbing some more of this to sample at various stages of aging.

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Photo of benloho
4.17/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Photo of kodt
4.25/5  rDev +3.7%

Photo of soju6
4.3/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Vintage 2004

A: Pours a deep mahogany color with a decent head that fades to some lacing.

S: Aroma of roasted malt, dark fruit, coffee and bittersweet chocolate.

T: Taste of roasted malt, coffee, bittersweet chocolate with some dark fruit. The is a mild bitterness and a clean finish.

F: Medium body, smooth with a rich creamy texture. Good balance.

O: Good drinker, quite satisfying. Nice beer to end the day with. One of the better offering of this style.

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Photo of bennetj17
4.3/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Black appearance, but not very dense or thick. You can see through the edges a bit in the light. The head is thin, with a tan foam that settles leaving a pencil thin ring. The nose has a faint roastiness, with suggestions of caramel and toffee.

The flavor balances nicely between toffee sweetness and roasted chocolate malts. I'm getting a bit of vanilla as well, and the finish leaves a keen bitterness on the tongue. The alcohol seems quite mild, and I'm trying to figure out how this qualifies as a Baltic Porter. The mouthfeel has just the right degree of thickness, with a sharp carbonation that holds up well.

Overall I'm glad this was recommended to me. It's a fairly robust porter with good depth of flavor and supreme drinkability. Definitely a nice change from the typical American style porters that are so common. Highly recommended.

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Photo of tim007007
4.13/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Photo of augustgarage
4.43/5  rDev +8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

To celebrate the return of darkness and rain to Los Angeles (if not mudslides), I decided to have a Swedish themed Monday evening. So, I blasted Bathory, Watain, and Marduk while putting together a quick smörgåsbord of mustard herring, creamed chard, and risgrynspudding, consumed while re-watching Lilja 4-Ever.

To top things off, I found a suitable beer to begin (and round out) my evening.

Poured from a 500mL bottle into my Dogfish Head shaped pint glass. Bottled in 2006.

Dense seal brown body with a truly massive tan head. Mesmerizing tentacle-like lacing, suggestive of Jackson Pollock. Settles to a messy finger of foam with perpetual retention. No real legs, though not surprising as the ABV is on the low end of the scale for the style.

Potent aromatics - pumpernickel, coffee cake, toasted malt, licorice, along with lots of dark fruit esters.

Roast coffee, earth, figs, caramel, chocolate covered malt balls, and honey form the palate. Sweetness lasts for quite some time, but the finish becomes very toasty and slightly dry. Exceptional spice notes as well: clove, coriander, and hints of cardamom.

Not quite medium-bodied. Carbonation is pretty high, making this a very mouth-filling and creamy brew.

The most drinkable baltic porter I've ever had, without relinquishing much if any flavor despite the lower ABV. If not for the high price, I would choose this as a session ale over many English or American porters.

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Photo of DaveMiller
4.25/5  rDev +3.7%

Photo of brewcrew76
4.25/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

1997 vintage

A - Pours a solid black with no head and very little carbonation. It reminds me of homebrew before it is bottled and carbonated.

S - Dark fruits, figs and prunes with some chocolate. Aroma is subtle and would be much better if it was more prominent.

T - Dark fruits and chocolate. There is a slight chocolate milk flavor I am detecting.

M - The mouthfeel is light to medium and very nice for having such little carbonation.

D - A great easy drinking beer. I will have to find another one of these.

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Photo of teromous
2.86/5  rDev -30.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

I don't see any kind of bottle or import date. It does say 2014 on the front of the bottle.

Appearance: Black body with a short but creamy and fluffy light khaki head. Good retention. It did not form any lacing when I first started drinking the beer but about halfway down the glass it slowly started to build a sheet as the head receded.

Aroma: Light caramel mixed with a metallic scent. Some alcohol aroma. Not the best start but the caramel does smell nice. As the glass sits the metallic aroma starts to fade away and gives leeway to more caramel. It also starts to open up and give a bit of pine resin aroma. I really recommend letting the beer sit (after being poured) as it improves greatly with some time.

Taste: There isn't a whole lot of flavor here. It tastes a bit like caramel flavored water. There is a bit of a charcoal finish but it leaves a lot to be desired.

Mouthfeel: It is very easy to drink but it lacks that crispness and sharpness that I enjoy in a good Baltic Porter.

Overall: It's not really a beer that I would recommend. It just lacks a lot of flavor and it feels empty. The back label says "Carnegie Porter was brewed for the first time in 1836 and tastes the same today as it did then." If so, I feel sorry for the people of 1836 because it tastes like watered down Malta Goya. There are much better Baltic Porters on the market and I would recommend looking elsewhere.

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Photo of granger10
4.19/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This was a very sweet tasting porter. Lots of malts seem to be involved in the making of this. Chocolate malt is dominate. A creamy vanilla flavor ensues. After that I can't tell but there are more flavors, sweet ones. Roasted grains and roasted coffee hit me towards the finish. That balances the beer out and makes me want more. I really liked this one.

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Photo of albern
4.35/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This is the best Baltic Porter I've had. This is due in part to the toned down ABV which lets the genuine flavors come through without getting washed up in intense booziness. This is a really good beer. It pours a nice inky black color with a nice brownish head that is creamy and thick. The head doesn't hang around that long but it is plenty creamy in the head for quite awhile. The beer laces well too. The nose is molasses and sweet malts. There is a touch of musty fruitiness too. It's all good.

The taste is complex, first and foremost. There is plenty of molasses and brown sugars. There are some roasted notes and sweetish malts. There are some raisiny flavors and maybe a slight touch of nut flavors. This is good stuff. The beer does have a bit of a beef steak taste to it as well. I can see pairing this with some bloody red meat, although that's not my fare. There is a touch of Rauchbier in this porter too. This is a complex, medium bodied, creamy, smooth, sweetish porter with lots of molasses flavors and brown malts. This is a winner. The mouthfeel is just right and there is no unpleasantness in the aftertaste. L'Chaim.

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Photo of sneaks2210
3.5/5  rDev -14.6%

Photo of Proclarush
4/5  rDev -2.4%

Photo of dental
4/5  rDev -2.4%

Photo of RickS95
4.18/5  rDev +2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours dark as night. Completely opaque with a cratered tan head.

Smells like you'd expect. Roasty malts dominate, with some chocolate and coffee making cameos.

Has a smoky, roasty chocolately taste with some bittering coffee notes in the finish.

Starts with a creamy feel before giving way to a bittering dry finish. Lacks some carbonation, but that was ok.

Really drinkable. It's creamy and goes down easy. It's full of good flavors. There is some bitterness in the finish, but nothing overwhelming. Alcohol is only slightly above average. Very easy to empty a glass.

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Photo of Budinetz
5/5  rDev +22%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Poured feom the bottle vigorously into a goblet.

A- poured an opaque, jet black with a tan foamy head. Great retention and some of the most amazing lacing I've ever seen in a porter, hugging all sides of the glass with an extravagant display.

S- smells of sweet serendipity! Reminds me of funny cake almost...If you Pennsylvania Dutch-German background folks know what I'm talking about...like a chocolate aroma with an ever so slight coffee smell.

T- tastes of slight diacetyl, but not over the top. Some sweet toffee/caramel flavors. Perhaps an ever so slight pumpernickel? Pretty awesome brew overall!

M- very slick on the tongue. Almost buttery but not over the top. Quite drinkable at 5.5% and does not tarnish the palete.

O- a historic brew! One of the first original style porters I've had and one that will always be near and dear to me. This is the brew you should introduce yourself with when trying a porter for the first time.

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Photo of TrickkyGangsta
5/5  rDev +22%

Photo of aracauna
3.5/5  rDev -14.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

The body is very dark reddish-brown with a head that starts to fizz but stops before dissipating, which it does, eventually. The aroma is light, mostly a bit of chocolate. The flavor is vinuous, a bit of raisin and chocolate followed by a faint bit of char.

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Photo of ElGordo
3.43/5  rDev -16.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

2004 Vintage, purchased at A Southern Season. Pours a dark brown with amber highlights, topped by a creamy tan head that has some staying power. Aroma of toasted malt with a slight metallic tinge. The malt comes through rather roasty on the palate, with a bit of a nutty character peeking through. Very light notes of milk chocolate and oats. Body is kind of thin for a porter. Goes down easy, though, I will say that. Not a particularly remarkable beer.

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Photo of Sixpoint
3.91/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

For some reason, I always put this beer in a head-to-head matchup with Okocim and Sinebrychoff. They're all considered Baltic Porters, but if you look at the ingredients and starting gravities, they're completely different approaches to what is considered the same style.

I find this one to be the least complex of the three. I enjoy this one though; I think it has a number of redeeming qualities. First of all, consider the deep toffee and caramel aroma... it's impressive. Also, the yeast strain they use has a nice balance of dry crispness with fruity esters.

A couple of things I think this beer lacks is substance in body and enough character from the chocolate and patent malts. Perhaps this is different when the beer is tasted fresh? The sample I am using to assess was a bottle that had been aged for almost a year; it would be interesting to see what this beer tastes like at the brewery.

All in all, it's a great beer, but not one of the best Baltic Porters I've had.

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Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
Beer rating: 4.1 out of 5 with 583 ratings
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