Carnegie Porter 5,5% | Carlsberg Sverige AB

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Carlsberg Sverige AB
Sweden | website

Style: Baltic Porter

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

Added by BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

BEER STATS
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565
Avg:
4.12
pDev:
13.83%
 
 
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Photo of ybnorml
4.13/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A very dark brown beer with dark mahogony highlights. Has a nice creamy dark beige head. There is a light dark roasted malt aroma with hints og coffee and licorice in the background. The flavor is full of roasty malt goodness. A nutlike sweetness on the sides of the tongue with a soft coffee bitterness at the back of the throat. The smooth creamy texture of the mouthfeel really drives this great beer home.

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Photo of xav33
3.34/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 2 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Revisit #1

D. Carnegie & Co. Stark Porter
8.82 Fl Oz bottle (size?)
Argang 1997, absorbed 09/06
Medium pour in a tulip glass.

Poured black with some faint brown highlights. Absolutely no head or carbonation.

Smelt of strong molasses, raisins, smoke, roasted grain, moderate vinous alcoholic qualities.

Taste was upfront strong bitter stale bread, cardboard, and cobwebs with light molasses and dried plum sweetness followed by a moderate bitter cobwebs, tar, hazelnut and yeast bitterness and light molasses sweetness on a light moderate length finish.

Palate was light to medium bodied, oily to a dry finish, barely any carbonation, just a slight tingle on the palate, and lightly astringent.

Overall, it definitely tastes old. It's very interesting how it developed, although there is definitely a stale bread flavor. It aged nicely and is very interesting to try, with very subdued, balanced and intriguing new flavors. Past its prime though. Still enjoyable.

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Photo of clickpush
4.01/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Bottle to tulip forms a three finger light brown head over very dark body, tinted w/ ruby hues. The head makes a rather speedy descent about half way, then slows to a fizzle where it's rocky and solid. Ends with a nice coat of lacing, a healthy halo, and lots of webbing along the glass. The smell is nice and roasty, some chocolate and plum, chalky and dry. It’s only been an hour in the fridge, it’s smooth and only very slightly carbonated in the mouthfeel. Leaves a lingering roast flavor in the mouth while the forefront is a bit sour and fruity, plums and chocolate, just like the smell. Some maple syrup qualities as well. Really easy drinking, appreciate the low carbonation how the beer is still thick without a ton of bubbles.

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Photo of plaid75
3.88/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Argang 2004.

Poured a deep black hue with a one finger foamy tan head. There was good retention and lacing.

The smell featured a soft cocoa aroma with hints of coffee and mild caramel.

The taste consisted of an upfront lactose sweetness that gradually blended with the roasted coffee element The sweetness prevented the flavor from drying out. I was a bit suprised by this.

The mouthfeel was full and chewy, with a bit of an uncomfortable heavy sweetness.

Overall a nice and flavorful porter. Not as dry as I would have hoped however.

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Photo of Derek
4.31/5  rDev +4.6%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2004 vintage.

A: Black with a creamy tan head. Great retention & lace.

S: Roasted coffee, brown sugar, dark fruit, floral hops.

T: Roasted grain has a light coffee flavour, brown sugar, dark fruit bread with nuts, slight mineral flavour, light smoke, some roasted acidity, assertive bitterness. Very impressive depth for its weight.

M: Modest body is quite creamy (impressive for its weight), slight chalky acidity.

D: Quite good.

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Photo of DoubleJ
4.53/5  rDev +10%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This is from the 2004 batch. From the Wine Exchange in Orange, on to the beer:

The black/opaque color and light tan head make a great contrast with each other. Smells of smoky/roasted malts with a sweet banana flavor. The flavor is strong, yet mellow. The bitterness is a burnt one from the malts. Trace of chocolate. The beer sweetens as it warms up, adding a hinted fudge flavor. It was extremely smooth, probabaly from the aging, and was much too easy to consume. It's so easy, a caveman can do it. HA! HA! But seriously, try it out if you can get it.

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Photo of Gueuzedude
3.68/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Best by April 2010, Sampled March 2007
As I pour this beer is shows a clear, dark chocolate brown color; it sits in my glass an opaque, black color though. It is topped by a frothy, initially two-finger thick dirtied brown, tan color. The aroma smells of dark aged malts; notes of chocolate, dusty burnt grain husks, some touches of dry cobwebs and toasted soda crackers mixes with notes of port, sherry and a rich, umami like, lightly concentrated meaty malt character.

The flavor is lightly sweet up front, yet moves to a soft roast driven acidity. The sweet malt notes are a mix of sweetened caramel, and sweet chocolate notes. The finish has a touch of coffee like, burnt bitterness to it as well as a chalky, almost tannic, husky burnt character. I really like the complexity that the slight oxidation notes bring to this beer, it adds a meaty richness to this brew, despite that it has quite a light body and mouth feel to it. I think that the roast character may have faded a bit with time as well, though it is still fairly noticeable, and the flavor profile is still largely driven by the dark malt notes.

In the end this is a fairly tasty brew, but I don't see how this is going to last until 2010. It is probably already just past its peak, and I could see this starting to develop cardboard-like oxidation notes pretty soon.

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Photo of cjgator3
4.61/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

2004 vintage.

Pours a dark black color with a small fizzy head that quickly dissapears. The nose features molasses, chocolate, roasted coffee, and caramel. The taste features much of the same flavors as present in the nose. Overall, this is an extremely well balanced and highly drinkable porter that stands out as one of my favorites.

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Photo of Mebuzzard
4.42/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

1997 argang vintage bottle, 8+oz. Found it at Falling Rock in Denver.
Pours a black, slick body with reddish tints around the edge. 1 finger tan head. Very clean; no residue or lacing along the glass.
Smells of sweet chocolate, roasted coffee, molasses, caramel and bbq sauce. Nothing overpowering, alcohol is vacant.
Taste; very nice blend of the chocolate and coffee. Sweetness of raisin and black plum. Molasses turns into a burnt caramel flavor.
Just when I think it's gonna pack an overwhelming punch, it disappears nicely. Good drinking brew, wish it were a bigger bottle.

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Photo of Damian
4.45/5  rDev +8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Drank from a 1 pt. .9 fl. oz. bottle purchased at the Wine Gallery, Brookline, MA
Bottle label read: "Argang 2006" and "Best before January 2016"

Poured a translucent black/brown with a tight, creamy, two-finger, mocha-colored head that slowly faded to a bubbly film of lace. Thick, cascading blankets of lacing coated much of the glass and lasted long after the beer was finished.

Aroma was sweet, smooth and very complex. Malty rich and rummy with strong cocoa, coffee and a subtle, powdery dryness that nicely offset the sweetness. As the beer warmed, the sweeter and darker aspects of the nose really came out. Raisins and a general oakiness were quite apparent along with chocolate fudge, brown sugar and sweet dark fruits.

Taste was incredibly smooth and complex and it, like the aroma, changed considerably as the beer warmed. Initially, there was little flavor up front. By mid-bottle, a sweet rumminess was apparent. Notes of roasted malts, freshly brewed coffee and dark chocolate came through mid-palate. A touch of bitterness was noticeable in the back of the mouth before rich baker's chocolate carried into the slightly dry, lingering finish. As the drink progressed, the chocolate aspects became so strong in both the nose and palate that the beer seemed to resemble a chocolate stout more than a baltic porter.

Body was medium for the style (slightly thinner than expected) yet creamy and silky smooth.

Drinkability of this beer was quite good. While some may be disappointed with this beer's lack of both alcohol strength (which tasted even lower than the 5.5% ABV) and hoppiness, this offering impresses with it rich, full flavors and overall balanced profile.

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Photo of
4/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

16oz. bottle. 1 year old.

Clear, dark brown liquid with ruby highlights. Large, tan colored head. Label says best before 5/2014. Whew! got here just in time....

Aroma seemed primarily caramel to blackstrap molasses. Hint of coffee. Raisins & figs. Soy sauce scent towards the end of the bottle.

Relatively balanced, but more sweet than bitter. Dark chocolate and raisins. Grassy & herbal. Coffee appears faintly in aftertaste. Soy sauce again as it was hitting room temp.

Medium heavy in body. Medium carbonation. Rather dry. Very smooth.

Quite good, would certainly drink again. Nice balance between sweet & bitter.

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Photo of WMBierguy
4/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a dark, cola brown. Had a moderate, brown head that lingered throughout and left tracings down the side of the glass. The flavor was pure coffee, with a slight, bitter aftertaste. Though porters are not my favorite style of beer, this was one that I'd drink again.

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Photo of 86sportster883
4.47/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

The D. Carnegie & Co. Stark Porter is an outstanding example of the Baltic porter style that's right up there with the Sinebrychoff porter from Finland. In comparing one to the other, the Stark porter may be a little less complex, but it makes up the difference in overall drinkability.

The beer pours clear reddish brown with a quickly fading tan head. The aroma is initially faint and reminiscent of port wine. As it warms, rich sweet malt and caramel aromas dominate with hints of dried fruit (i.e., raisins, figs).

This is a very well balanced beer that starts out sweet with roasted malt and raisin notes, but finishes dry. It has a fine carbonation and silky smoothness. In the end, there is a lingering tartness that might be compared with that of dark chocolate covered cherries. Very drinkable with just enough going on to keep you coming back for more.

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Photo of BeerHonky
3.7/5  rDev -10.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is a pretty darn good stout, not amazing, but darn good. Personally, I like fuller, stronger flavored stouts and I found this one to be a little on the weak side of flavor. Chocolate and coffee flavors were definitely present, but just didn't present themselves as well as I would have liked. Presentation is great with a color and bottle that are both equally stout-like. The aroma wasn't strong enough to get through my slightly stuffy nose. This beer finishes extremely easy and leaves a relatively a clean palate. And like some have said, its very easy to drink.

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Photo of Georgiabeer
4/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours dark brown close to black with a head that quickly dissipates. The smell is typical Baltic porter, if a little lighter than some. Winey, slightly malty with notes of stewed cherries and prunes. The taste is similar to the smell, with vinous notes, prunes, and quite a bit of creamy vanilla on the finish. The mouthfeel is medium weight but fairly creamy and with nicely restrained carbonation. Very nice example and nicely complex especially given the relatively low alcohol.

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Photo of jamie2dope
4.1/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is another beer I always see sitting on the shelf, but am never too sure how long it's been there, so I tend to hold off. In this case however I figured it was a nice change of pace to have a strong Porter on a cold Winter night. It poured a nice dark brown, that was somewhat lighter when held up to the light. Smell was somewhat weak, but did have a nice milk chocolate nose. It was also pretty clean in the smell overall. Taste had lots of burnt coffee beans, bitter chocolate, and the aftertaste you get from a nice cigar. Mouthfeel was a notch above medium, and very nice on the palate. This ia a great beer. It would do well as a sipping beer or as a gulper. I personally found no problem in finishing the sample I had. A really well done effort for the Porter style. Usually I am let down by this style, but when it's right, it really hits the spot. Worth a shot for sure.

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Photo of mmmbeer
4.15/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From a half-liter bottle, "argang 2004" and best by May 2014. It pours with a deep black body, not too thick, and topped with an inch of dark khaki head. It is quite aromatic with roasted/toasted, chocolate, vinous, and sweet malts with notes of blackberry. The flavor adds to this notes of coffee, tobacco, anise, smoked malts, green apple or melon rind, a light lactic quality, and green hops that contribute a mild bitterness. The body is medium to light for such a dark brew, with medium carbonation and a medium finish. Overall a tasty Baltic porter that has a wonderful aroma.

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Photo of daliandragon
4.15/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Vintage 2001. Pours almost black with cola colored highlight slits at the edges and botttom. The head iis brown and frothy but disappears almost instantly without a trace. Nose is sweet and malty with coffee, roasted, and buttery tones.

Roasted malt flavor lasts throughout with touches of coffee and chocolate but mostly just dry and tasty. Mouthfeel is relaxed and very smooth, almost silky. Very pleasing on a cold night and very old fashioned tasting as the label brags. I could very easily see making this a winter regular as it goes down very easy and doesn't kick at eight or nine percent like a lot of the newfangled BPs. Good stuff.

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Photo of brewcrew76
4.25/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

1997 vintage

A - Pours a solid black with no head and very little carbonation. It reminds me of homebrew before it is bottled and carbonated.

S - Dark fruits, figs and prunes with some chocolate. Aroma is subtle and would be much better if it was more prominent.

T - Dark fruits and chocolate. There is a slight chocolate milk flavor I am detecting.

M - The mouthfeel is light to medium and very nice for having such little carbonation.

D - A great easy drinking beer. I will have to find another one of these.

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Photo of TheLongBeachBum
3.8/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Årgång 1997.
Sampled at 9 Years Old.

Presentation: It’s been a long time since I tried this dark sexy Swedish number, so when I saw a petit 1997 bottle of this one, I fancied taking it for a ride again. This shrunken Scandinavian has a rather striking look despite its rather demure 8.82 fluid ounce sample size.

Appearance: This aged sample has a very, very, very dark black body. Utterly impervious it looks like a glass of tar once the fading tan head completely disappears. The flat look does little to offer any excitement and the absence of any conditioning is derisory. Still, this does have an appeal, like a stripped bare knuckle fighter you get to see this one devoid of any fancy-schmancy pomp and circumstance.

Nose: Fading in strength from fresher samples if my ailing memory serves me well. Dark chocolate, roasted coffee, sweet molasses and smoked charcoal. A soft background has a rich texture but is low to the punch.

Taste: Smoky beginnings, molasses and a light chocolate darkness with a bitter trait. This has mellowed out from earlier offerings with a younger vintage but a rewarding brew nonetheless. Roasted feel remains and a light hint of Smoky Bacon punctuates the lingering finish.

Mouthfeel: Thinning body has a creamy feel despite its low conditioning. The body has a solid depth but tends to wax and wane and it can feel a little depleted at times, but never anything less than above average.

Drinkability: Only had 8.82 fluid ounces – but it was an enjoyable sipper.

Overall: First brewed in 1836, but it seems that at nearly ten years old this one tends to loose all conditioning and starts to thin out, though the complexity remains and the depth of taste still excites. Remains a high quality sipping Baltic Porter but I prefer this one a little younger.

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Photo of lagomswedish
3.74/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 500ml bottle dated 2006 - so fresh as they come, and opened just as the snow came drifting down on northern Sweden. The perfect night for a porter me thinks.

Appearance: The best thing about this beer. Jet black with a thick, creamy tan head with some spotting. If this was a picture I'd frame it.

Smell: Slightly vague nose, with soft fuit sweetness, vanilla and a whiff of chocolate

Taste: Mild choc/coffee as you'd expect. A little rust, caramel and raisins, but TBH not a lot of anything. Almost non-existant hops.

Mouthfeel: The lack of hops means this porter gives up in the mouth a little too early for my liking. Initial sweetness (refined white sugar sweetness that's quite dominant and a little sickly).

Drinkability: A little to osweet and one-dimensional for me. Lacking any memorable burnt/brown sugar and bitter/coffee characteristics that I normally associate with a great porter, and the candy sugar kick throws the taste out of balance. Having said that it was a good beer to drink while watching the snow come down.

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Photo of russpowell
4.76/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

2006 version

Pours black with purple highlights when held to the light & a fluffed up 2 fingers deep sand colored head. Great lacing & head retention

S: Choclate & licorice

T: Huge choclate & burnt grain up front, then licorice & molasses. A little iron & alcohol bite surfaces as it warms . Finishes with a slight fruittyness, licorice & molasses

MF: Chewy with low carbonation & superb balance. Makes me think of a malted milk

Drinks pretty easy, would a nice on to session on if it weren't so expensive. One kickass batlic porter

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Photo of deBeers
4.53/5  rDev +10%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Argang 1997 8.82 fl. oz.

Smells rich like a baltic porter. Smells of sweet molasses out of the bottle in a subdued way. Also notes of chocolate, fig, brown sugar?, old leather...

Minimal carbonation with a small caramel head that disapates into swirls after one sip. Deep mahogany in color, opaque, and inviting in stature for a nine year old brew.

Taste is so smooth, almost creamy, and perfectly balanced. This is not your average Baltic porter. It has a lower abv and is very mature, aged to perfection, and begging to be sipped around a small fire with best friends/loved ones.

When setting a concentric ring of lace forms around the edge of the glass. I think the peak of this beer may have been a few years earlier but this is such high quality and so well kept that I find it a pleasure to have the opportunity to consume.

Definately let this warm up in your mouth for a bit and you'll be in for a treat. That's when the true complexity starts showing imho. Hints of chocolate and molasses come out when I swish the beer around in my mouth under pressure. Yum.

Worth seeking out for a special treat.

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Photo of lordofthewiens
4.4/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Thank you to Chris at Ebenezer's Pub for getting me to try this. I probably never would have had this without his recommendation. It was a nice dark black with a thick coffee-colored head. A coffee, chocolate aroma. The taste only enhanced what I smelled, and this had to have been the smoothest porter I've ever tried. Indescribable, all those great dark tastes running around in my mouth. You gotta try this beer!

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Photo of yelterdow
4.56/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

16.9 oz. bottle, served at between cellar and fridge temperature in a Duvel tulip. Bottled in 2000, drink by date reads November 2010.

Appearance- Rich, chocolate brown goodness fills my glass supporting a finger-thick light tan head... Spotty lacing dots the surface as the head slowly breaks apart.

Aroma- Smells like a cross between a vintage old ale and a porter... the leather, mildew, and century-old hardbound book elements blend together in glorious fashion with Tootsie Roll chocolate, dark fudge, and dark fruit. No coffee in the aroma, surprisingly... but that's fine with me. Enough complexities here to go on for days.

Taste- Distinguished... Established... Accomplished... these three words come to mind after spending some time with this beer in my mouth. Mature and stately, it's grown up... a beverage with time and sophistication under its belt. The flavors, difficult to decipher individually because of the superb integration, are so cohesive that I marvel at its balance. Figs and plums dance in a molasses-soaked liquor of divinity.

Mouthfeel/Drinkability- Viscous but relatively light in the mouth, the smooth rise and fall is wonderfully complementary to the beer's texture. At 5.5%, it has subtleties and complexities that don't usually reveal themselves in a beer of this strength... and the European hop profile really seals the envelope in the superb finish. Fabulous beer, a gem worth seeking out.

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Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
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