Carnegie Porter 5,5% | Carlsberg Sverige AB

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Carlsberg Sverige AB
Sweden | website

Style: Baltic Porter

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

Added by BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

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565
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4.12
pDev:
13.83%
 
 
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Photo of Sixpoint
3.91/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

For some reason, I always put this beer in a head-to-head matchup with Okocim and Sinebrychoff. They're all considered Baltic Porters, but if you look at the ingredients and starting gravities, they're completely different approaches to what is considered the same style.

I find this one to be the least complex of the three. I enjoy this one though; I think it has a number of redeeming qualities. First of all, consider the deep toffee and caramel aroma... it's impressive. Also, the yeast strain they use has a nice balance of dry crispness with fruity esters.

A couple of things I think this beer lacks is substance in body and enough character from the chocolate and patent malts. Perhaps this is different when the beer is tasted fresh? The sample I am using to assess was a bottle that had been aged for almost a year; it would be interesting to see what this beer tastes like at the brewery.

All in all, it's a great beer, but not one of the best Baltic Porters I've had.

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Photo of blitz134
3.73/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured just like a Coke, except nearly opaque black. The head formed just as one on a Coke would and even elicited the same color. I find the smell weak overall and lacks that typical slightly toasted aroma. The smell that is there is slightly sweet from the malts with some slight chocolate hints . The taste is typical of porters that don’t try to imitate a stout. Coffee is picked up predominately and is balanced well with a non-toasted malt flavor. Right after draining this one from my mouth there is a sharp,crisp sensation. The mouthfeel is what makes this beer for me. It is extremely creamy and coats the mouth well. I could see myself having a couple of these if they weren’t 5 dollars a 16.9oz bottle.

Overall this is a decent beer. There are other porters out there which are stronger in flavor. If they could kick the flavor up a bit and keep the mouthfeel the same then I think I would like this one even more. Is it worth the price tag? It depends…

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Photo of Quaffer
4.3/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

16.9 oz. bottle, vintage 2001.

Appearance: This was a very dark beer, almost black. Only when the glass was held up to the light could its true, deep red color be seen. A two-finger head rose up easily and settled very slowly. It became very dense, being comprised of tiny bubbles that ramped up the side of the glass. A nice amount of light lace was left behind.

Smell: Right after the pour, sharp, tart fruit assaulted the nose with an acidic bite. As the head settled, so did the aroma. The sour, dark fruits mellowed and were joined by dark, bitter chocolate and coffee. Some heavily roasted malt floated over the top. It still had quite an acidic bite to it, though.

Mouthfeel: On the heavy side of the medium-bodied scale and creamy smooth. A wonderful, mouth-filling buttery presence. Very nice.

Taste: Pretty straightforward from start to finish. Plums, dates, and raisins represented the dark fruit that was in the smell. This was countered nicely by sweet cream and dark chocolate. Some lighty sweet cherry came through on the finish. Nice deep, rich flavors.

This is a great porter. I just wish it was available here. Thanks for the bottle, Rob!

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Photo of mzwolinski
4.09/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours thick and utterly black. Almost no head or carboation at all. Heady aroma of chocolate, molassess, plum and tobacco. Oddly, this beer looks and smells like it would feel a lot thicker than it actually does in the mouth. It's not thin, mind you, but can be deceptive especially given the Imperial-stoutish character of its appearance and aroma. The flavor, though, is quite rich. Chocolatey sweet with dark fruits at first, followed by roasty, roasty malts that linger well into the aftertaste. This isn't a stout. And it's refreshing that it doesn't pretend to be one. It is, however, a nicely robust porter.

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Photo of Crotor
4.37/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Wee little nip bottle, 1997 vintage.

There's only the most minor hiss on opening. The beer pours exceedingly dark but thin, like an old pot of dorm-room coffee. There are some minor, tan bubble around the edge of my snifter, but really no head to speak of. It shows its age, but gracefully. It's like Sophia Loren - she looks old but she still provokes naughty thoughts.

Smells primarily of dark-roasted coffee and chocolate, with a hint of a deep and dank candied fruitiness. There is also a bit of *highly* caramelized malt, as well as perhaps a bit of bready malt.

Feels think and watery in the mouth after all these years. At 5.5%, it might never have been that bulky to begin with. Carbonation is low... almost feels like flat cola in the mouth. I'm not objecting to it, it's just another sign of its age.

In the mouth the roastiness is more subdude than would be expected, allowing a carmelized, candied fruit maltiness to shine through. At this age the flavors strike a nice balance.

An impressive beer, and one that has certainly held up well. I wish I could see what this one is like when fresh...

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Photo of ghurux86
4.03/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

this bottle says 1998. pours a dark dark brown with no head and no lacing. almost looks like flat coke. the smell is great though malt and some chocolate. taste is the same as the smell with the malt lingering in the aftertaste. mouthfeel is somewhat thick and feels really smooth almost like milk or something. i'd probably drink some more if i had it, but if i had something else better, i'd take that. a pretty good brew overall.

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Photo of wailingwench
4.15/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

1997 vintage bottle, Premier Gourmet, Buffalo, $4.20

Eye Candy: Jet black, dark brown edges. Thick creamy 1 finger head. Swirling brings the character back. Some sticking to the sides of the glass. Superb retention.

The Nose Knows: Brown sugar sweetness, raisins, and light molasses.

Tongueland: A tad thinner than it looks and smells. Rich, deep brown sugar profile with dark fruit middle. Toffee and thin molasses finish. Lingering touch of cocoa. Warming alcohol at the end.

Bender Factor: This was a once in a lifetime. For $4.20, no. I was expecting someting better. Not to say that this was shyte, just didnt meet my 4 dollar expectations. Regarless, solid brew. Worth seeking out the newer, less expensive years.

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Photo of bark
4.28/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Vintage 2004.

The colour is opaque black (although the liquid is clear); the large, firm semi-compact foam is brown.

The smell is generous and complex with tones of black coffee, burned malt, sour cream and hints of hops and smoke.

The carbonation is very fresh, but at the same time very soft.

The taste is also complex with a somewhat smoked start. There is a large and creamy body that develops into a passing almost metallic bitterness that is replaced with a soft sweet flavour of coffee and dark chocolate. The harmonic aftertaste got a creamy burned taste with some hints of bitter hops.

This is clearly a session beer that one should take some time to experience. I cannot really grasp how the large brewery of Carlsberg Sverige can produce such a unique and fine beer.

Great stuff, that makes me a little proud as a Swede.

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Photo of trancefishy
4.04/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

1997 vintage.

pours out thinnish looking, dark dark brown, nearly impermeable to light. zero head. a few largish bubbles, but they disappear and leave nothing save for the faintest ring around the edges.

aroma is a big kick in the olfactory pants. huge, tremendous malt character, yet very delicate. powerful smells of figs and plums, a bit vinous, some oak rambling around as well. cherries, grapes are there too. it doesn't smell fruity, but the elements are present. excellent aroma.

taste is the aroma, but in cool liquid form. malts are there again, but now the fruitiness is playing out a bit more. there is an nice grape taste and a bit of oak woodiness. nothing too distinctive, very mellow, with well married flavours. for whatever reason, this reminds me of balsamic vinegar. it doen't taste like vinegar in any way, but the flavours in balsamic are running around somewhere backstage. aftertaste is sweet and gentle.

mouthfeel is a bit thin, and certainly undercarbonated. i'm not sure if it would be bettter with more carbonation or not. this beer strikes me as delicate.

good stuff, interesting, and certainly the oldest beer i have ever drank. i am curious what the fresh, and in between fresh and 7 years tastes like.
good though, recommended.

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Photo of sulldaddy
4.14/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I am drinking a 1997 vintage bottle. Room temp and in a snifter. The beer pours a pitch black color with a small tan head foams up a little even with a vigorous pour. The head fades quickly to an edge layer and then disappears completely within 2 minutes.
Aroma is chocolate and caramel with a light pine hop scent surprisingly coming through. SMooth creamy texture and average body are present in this brew. Very light and gentle carbonation, almost non-existent. Flavor is chocolate and roasted malts with some brown sugar sweetness appearing. the beer is silky smooth and very easy to drink. Not sure about other years, but this one is quite tasty. try this year 1997 or others.

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Photo of gbontrag
4.42/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

50F. 97 Vintage, just like the picture.

Black, no head just a few tan bubbles. Looks a reflection of motor oil in a glass.
Smell a bit of yeast, vinous alcohol, and barley soda pop.
oh my god, that's beautiful. Melted bittersweet Callebaut chocolate with bubbles. A little prune syrup, a bit oily like blackstrap molasses. Leaves a puff of deisel smoke as it departs. A very economical beverage. Meaning it's not so layered, or thick and fruity, or hopped up that it jumps all over the palate as if it were a trampoline. This beer is smooth with a smoky bite, with easy barley fruitiness, balanced alcohol and carbonation that reminds me of the difference in ride between my HONDA civic and a towncar. Many beers are variations of a civic: Good rides with personal embellishments that make the civic unique. This Baltic porter gives a ride like a towncar, smooth. Loved it, and could drink buckets of it.

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Photo of dauss
4.32/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2001 vintage
Presentation: 16.9 oz fat brown bottle with a yellow and black label, best before april 2010.

Smell: Intensely roasted malt, with a touch of expresso. Heavenly sweet aroma with a very light

Appearance: Pours a very dark ruby red that produces a medium fluffy tan head with fair retention. leaves a good amount of lacing on the glass.

Mouthfeel: light fizzy carbonation makes for a creamy mouthfeel, loads of coffee and chocolate. Light gentle bitterness and sweetness throughout the entire taste.

Notes: This is my first baltic porter and I like. Very taste and drinkable.

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Photo of WOLFGANG
4.03/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

Bottle states that this beer cellars well. Best before April 2010.

Dark pitch coloring with hint of ruby red at the bottom of the glass. Beautiful billowing creamy head atop its light bending opaqueness. Head disapates leaving minimal lacing.

Incredible smells of roasted malt, coffee, dark chocolate, and dark fruits. Mmm.

Tastes like a chocolate latte. Add a smoky bitterness toward the end and there it is. Somewhat simple, but that doesn't detract from the great taste. Medium profile could be a little thicker, IMHO.


Easy drinking, low ABV beer which would be excellent for the months ahead. A good beer. Only one I had though. I'll have to replenish my supply.

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Photo of rugger
3.82/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This guy poured a very deep black that you would expect to see with a stout. There was a very small head, even when trying to build a big one with a vigorous pour. The little head that there was quickly left the building. The smell was of a caramel/roasty/nutty mixture that was very interesting and exciting. The taste had a very cabonated twang to it that never went away, however underneath that was a very complex carmel, molasses nutty mixture that was very nice and unexpected along with a thick molasses like mouthfeel, I also figure that there was some lactose in there as well. I wish I knew what the rest of the label says. I would drink seveal of these on a nice cool evening.

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Photo of RedBaron
4.43/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Never had this Swedish legend before. Glad I finally got around to trying one!

Appearance: Poured jet black. Quickly disappating off-white head. Nice, lite collar throughout, however.
Smell: Pleasantly roasty and toasty. Not much by way of aromatic hops.
Taste: Although delightfully roasty up front, there is a very complex malt character to this beer that really satisfies the palatte. There may be a slight lactose component, with a little sourness, also. There is also a bittering hop character in the finish, and a slight, pleasant yeastiness, too. Outstanding.
Mouthfeel: Wonderfully balanced; left an alcoholic trace after the bittering hop, which was much appreciated.
Drinkability: An outstanding beer, one to sip easy on a cool evening.

This beer sort of reminds me of the classic bottled Guinness, circa 1994, before pasteurization (or at least when their was a nice sourness, and hoppier character to it). The difference, however, is that this Stark-Porter is a stronger brew, and would probably hold up well over many years.

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Photo of shippos
4.18/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2001 vintage

poured with a dark brown-black color with some brown ruby highlights in the bottom of the glass and a cream tan pillowy head.
complex aromas but I can pick out sweet milk with a earthy peated character and some chocolate. very smooth and rich mouthfeel when tasted cold but thins up a bit when it warms up. very balanced in it's flavors, it has a black malty bitterness that in the aftertaste. a very well brewed easily drinkable example.

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Photo of OldFrothingSlosh
4.47/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2000 edition.

Porters have made a strong comback in my book, following the disappointment that was the Polygamy Porter that kept me away for so long. This one was stellar.

Appearance: Poured a near pitch-black in color. Hold it up to the light and nothing passes through it (cue the Dark Knight from "MP and the Quest for the Holy Grail: "None shall pass!"). Creamy smooth and thick layer of toffee-colored head stands upon the body of the beer. There's a fair amount of spotty lace that sticks to the glass as I consumed this.

Smell: In a word...lovely. Chocolate, caramel latte' from Starbucks, raisins.

Taste: Very toffee-like. Heath bar flavor with some smoky flavor showing up at the end. Some dark fruit notes and fresh espresso coffee as well. Milk-chocolate flavor brings a close to this flavorful porter.

Mouthfeel and Drinkability: Nearly top-notch. Low levels of carbonation really enhances the "full" mouthfeel that this has. Creamy smooth. Highly quaffable.

Notes: Sadly, this is no longer brewed and I raise my empty pint glass to AKSmokedPorter for supplying me with this gem. I would love to get me mitts on a few more of these. Well-done.

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Photo of craftbrewer
5/5  rDev +21.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Hands down the best porter I've ever had, Baltic or otherwise.

Brown/choclate and patent malt notes in the nose, some maltiness.
Flavor is a wonderfully complex mix of smooth chocolate and roasty flavors, with a hint of crystal/caramel. Body is smooth and mellow. Low bitterness gives a slightly sweet character. Finishes with a pleasant grainy dryness that lingers with a great complex toasty character.

I have tried over 500 commercial beers and this is my all time favorite

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Photo of PorterLambic
4.6/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A beautiful pitch black brew with a 1 1/2" tan head that drops to 1/2" smoothly. Some scattered, coarse lace.
Smell was of roasted malt, oak, coffee with a hint of toastiness to it.
Taste was wonderfully complex, with roasted malt and a coffee tinged oakiness, a bit of dark chocolate & a hint of vanilla (?) this was just perfectly balanced.
Mouthfeel was very nice, creamy, full-bodied and smooth with just the right amount of carbonation.
This brew is supremely drinkable, in fact, the only thing I can possibly knock it on: I would have liked a little smoky flovor to it. I would have gone almost all 5's then. A tremendous beer.
For the record, mine was a 2001 on the label (the picture on the site shows 1997) and I noticed at the bottom of the back label was printed "Best before April 2010. Yes, 2010. A three year old beer with 7 more to go. I'll be looking for more of this.

April, 2007

I found more! A 2004 vintage. The appearance score drops slightly due to minimal head retention but the taste and smell increase due to finding the previously sought smoke character which was all over the nose, mouth and aftertaste that just lingered forever (with vanilla) at the back of the throat. Buy it, drink it, want more.

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Photo of rkhaze
4.77/5  rDev +15.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Poured a really dark chestnut color. Small, quickly disappating tan head.
Deep classic aromas of sweet roasted malt, coffee and dark chocolate.
Big complex rich flavors of earthy, heavily roasted malt, coffee, bittersweet chocolate and smidges of cola and licorice. It had a tangy sweetness and finished mildly acidic with a pleasant hop bitterness and a whisper of tobacco. Good stuff! Let this one warm up a bit.
Medium bodied with a full, creamy and chewy mouthfeel. Good amount of carbonation.
Excellent beer and supreme drinkability!

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Photo of Naerhu
4.6/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Deep opaque balck body with a tight rich tan head.

Roasted malt dominates the aroma with vanilla coming in strong. I am get fruit, but not anything more specific.

Relatively mild, with medium body. Chocolate covered espresso beans. Charcoal and kampoyaku (chinese traditional medicine). The berry that was on the nose is no longer apparent.

This is slick and the super fine bubbles make this a masterpiece.

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Photo of beergeek279
4.17/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

2001 vintage, served in a 500 mL bottle, into a pint glass. The color is nearly black, with a bubbly beige head. The smell is a chocolatey roastiness. The taste is very chocolate sweet, with just the slightest bit of hops to it. Mouthfeel seems a bit thin. As for drinkability, could have real sessionability and no offputting flavors, so could have quite a few of these.

Well, I don't know if I'd consider this a Baltic porter, but it is solid. Though the mouthfeel is a tad thin, the flavor is quite good, with a rich chocolate to it. Quite good, and I'd love to try some of the other vintages.

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Photo of mschofield
4.02/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Pours a dark brown/black, well carbonated with a one finger dark tan head that quickly dissipated.
Strong coffee aroma and taste, if it was a blind taste I'd pick it as a Coffee stout. Sweet malt pervades, with notes of raisin, chocolate, plum. Earty hop. Very similar in taste and aroma, more roasted quality in the taste.
Body was too thin, it should have been fuller for a Baltic Porter.

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Photo of vladtheimpaler
4.78/5  rDev +16%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Had a perfectly treated and conditioned bottle. This was yummy. The conditioning of this beer is outstanding. Smooth Chocolate/Coffee malt flavor. Hops have been reduced to the background (through conditioning). Aroma has that beautiful, fruity, toffee, oxidized note that makes every sip enjoyable. This beer stands out and is worth seeking. I must warn everyone about mistreated bottles, though...

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Photo of Wildman
4.07/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

This beer poured a deep amber, almost black color and formed a nice light tan bubbly head that left trace lace as it subsided. An aroma of malt, coffee, and caramel. A flavor of malt, coffee and a touch of chocolate. The body was fairly light for the style and the finish was slightly bitter. Not a bad porter for the style.

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Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
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