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Carnegie Porter 5,5% | Carlsberg Sverige AB

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Carnegie Porter 5,5%Carnegie Porter 5,5%
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Carlsberg Sverige AB
Sweden
carlsberg.se

Style: Baltic Porter

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

Added by BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

BEER STATS
Reviews:
351
Ratings:
572
Avg:
4.11
pDev:
13.87%
 
 
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Photo of Gueuzedude
3.68/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Best by April 2010, Sampled March 2007
As I pour this beer is shows a clear, dark chocolate brown color; it sits in my glass an opaque, black color though. It is topped by a frothy, initially two-finger thick dirtied brown, tan color. The aroma smells of dark aged malts; notes of chocolate, dusty burnt grain husks, some touches of dry cobwebs and toasted soda crackers mixes with notes of port, sherry and a rich, umami like, lightly concentrated meaty malt character.

The flavor is lightly sweet up front, yet moves to a soft roast driven acidity. The sweet malt notes are a mix of sweetened caramel, and sweet chocolate notes. The finish has a touch of coffee like, burnt bitterness to it as well as a chalky, almost tannic, husky burnt character. I really like the complexity that the slight oxidation notes bring to this beer, it adds a meaty richness to this brew, despite that it has quite a light body and mouth feel to it. I think that the roast character may have faded a bit with time as well, though it is still fairly noticeable, and the flavor profile is still largely driven by the dark malt notes.

In the end this is a fairly tasty brew, but I don't see how this is going to last until 2010. It is probably already just past its peak, and I could see this starting to develop cardboard-like oxidation notes pretty soon.

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Photo of burnheartsMKE
3.68/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a dark brown in the dim lit bar lights. The nose was quite malted & milk chocolate to which my friend, Nick exclaimed, "Smells like Whoppers"! but as it warmed raisins & pitted-fruit took a stronghold.

The taste also changed as it warmed; the initial dusty chocolate slowly morphed into a dry peaty-smokiness before settling into a molasses meets tannic-bark-like flavor reminiscent of a Cabernet about to go bad (but it really worked for awhile).

Pushing 7 years old (2004), this beer needed another good 45 minutes exposed to oxygen before becoming something worthy of that much aging. Although I enjoyed discussing this beer in relationship to Scandinavian cuisine and dreaming of foraging for my dinner in some remote Icelandic forest; back in the real world I found the middle taste most enjoyable and by the last few sips I was completely over this beer.

I would like to try both a younger & older version before settling on my verdict.

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Photo of BeerHonky
3.7/5  rDev -10%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is a pretty darn good stout, not amazing, but darn good. Personally, I like fuller, stronger flavored stouts and I found this one to be a little on the weak side of flavor. Chocolate and coffee flavors were definitely present, but just didn't present themselves as well as I would have liked. Presentation is great with a color and bottle that are both equally stout-like. The aroma wasn't strong enough to get through my slightly stuffy nose. This beer finishes extremely easy and leaves a relatively a clean palate. And like some have said, its very easy to drink.

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Photo of Bighuge
3.7/5  rDev -10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

2001: This beer is a very dark ruby. Thin beige head disintegrates to nothing quickly. A coffee scent dominates with hints of mocha as well on the nose. Nice velvet like feel on the tongue. Smooth tastes of chocolate, cocoa and java. Very smooth porter. Very easy drinking. A nice faint bitterness. A solid porter in my book.

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Photo of blitz134
3.73/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Poured just like a Coke, except nearly opaque black. The head formed just as one on a Coke would and even elicited the same color. I find the smell weak overall and lacks that typical slightly toasted aroma. The smell that is there is slightly sweet from the malts with some slight chocolate hints . The taste is typical of porters that don’t try to imitate a stout. Coffee is picked up predominately and is balanced well with a non-toasted malt flavor. Right after draining this one from my mouth there is a sharp,crisp sensation. The mouthfeel is what makes this beer for me. It is extremely creamy and coats the mouth well. I could see myself having a couple of these if they weren’t 5 dollars a 16.9oz bottle.

Overall this is a decent beer. There are other porters out there which are stronger in flavor. If they could kick the flavor up a bit and keep the mouthfeel the same then I think I would like this one even more. Is it worth the price tag? It depends…

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Photo of Reagan1984
3.73/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to Masterski for providing this in a recent trade. Alex is a good man.

Very creamy 2+ finger of beige head sits atop this beer. It slowly collapses but takes it's time and shows excellent retention. The beer is almost as black as an Imperial Stout. Help to a bright light you get some slight light coming through. Nice sheets of lacing.

Aroma is malty, caramel and a whiff of alcohol which is strange since it's only 5.5%.

Roasted malt and chocolate notes dominate here. A slight molasses flavor as well. Somewhat musty as well. Perhaps a little licorice here.

Fairly thick bodied and dry on your tongue. A slight dry or powder like feeling on your tongue. A little abv heat which again is strange at 5.5%.

The end of the flavor is slightly abrupt which cuts down on the drinkability for me. It's good and you can't say it's watery, but still the flavor ends quickly.

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Photo of swizzlenuts
3.74/5  rDev -9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a thick black with a nice one cm head.

S: There isn't much nose on this one, but a bit of roasted malts.

T: A dark roasted flavour, with a slight bit of hops. This beer is balanced. The malts, hops, and undertones are nice. It's quite nice because of the balance.

M: Nice mouthfeel.

D: Very Drinkable.

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Photo of Libeertarian
3.74/5  rDev -9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

From notes taken 05/01/16:

Dark brown, either very dark or barely clear. Tan, fluffy head of moderate to good retention. Patchy lace ringlets. Roasted grain and dark fruit esters to nose. Roasty, dark fruity, smokey-tart palate, in that order. Also, earthy to tobacco-like hopping, throughout but most prominent in finish. Medium to full in body, sloshy and sudsy, but syrupy

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Photo of lagomswedish
3.74/5  rDev -9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a 500ml bottle dated 2006 - so fresh as they come, and opened just as the snow came drifting down on northern Sweden. The perfect night for a porter me thinks.

Appearance: The best thing about this beer. Jet black with a thick, creamy tan head with some spotting. If this was a picture I'd frame it.

Smell: Slightly vague nose, with soft fuit sweetness, vanilla and a whiff of chocolate

Taste: Mild choc/coffee as you'd expect. A little rust, caramel and raisins, but TBH not a lot of anything. Almost non-existant hops.

Mouthfeel: The lack of hops means this porter gives up in the mouth a little too early for my liking. Initial sweetness (refined white sugar sweetness that's quite dominant and a little sickly).

Drinkability: A little to osweet and one-dimensional for me. Lacking any memorable burnt/brown sugar and bitter/coffee characteristics that I normally associate with a great porter, and the candy sugar kick throws the taste out of balance. Having said that it was a good beer to drink while watching the snow come down.

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Photo of mortarit
3.74/5  rDev -9%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I found this in the reduced price bend. It's ironic that I was looking for DuckRabbit Baltic Porter. I see this is the same style, awesome.

Great head that creates a full lacing effect while it last.

The alcohol isn't noticeable so it is easier to drink I think.
Has a nice toasty taste to it, hey I finally taste the caramel that everyone has mention in other post. It's rich concentrated taste.

This is a real easy drinking porter. I am surprise that I saw it in the reduce basket. I bought two of them so I will definitely enjoy the other one too.

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Photo of Justin23060
3.75/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Dark Cola black with red highlights. Small light beige head dissipated but laced the edge.

S - Caramel and chocolate.

T - Toffee, a little smoke. Pretty balance between sweet and dry from beginning to end. Not much of a linger.

M - Would have liked a little more carbonation. Some what thin.

O - I was really looking forward to this based on its reviews and recommendations. It's pretty solid, but not my A+ Baltic porter. I'd drink it if offered, but probably won't seek it out.

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Photo of RoyalT
3.77/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance – Very dark in color with a nice, tanned head that showed decent retention and left a little lacing.

Smell – This aroma is nice. There’s some good coffee and chocolate notes to go along with the classic roasted malts. I can also pick up small traces of cocoa, anise, molasses, and some kind of sugar (maybe pure cane).

Taste – The smaller notes from the nose came out bigger at the taste. The chocolate and anise were prominent, but the molasses all but disappeared. This is not a super-dark porter; it’s more of a lighter one in the classic sense.

Mouthfeel – This was medium-bodied. I thought the mouthfeel was the weak point of the porter. The flavors were kind of clumsy and could maybe benefit from cellaring.

Drinkability – This went great with my Stoned Bratwurst and sauerkraut.

Comments – I had the 2001 vintage. Even though it is going on three years old I would recommend cellaring this for another three. I’m not a big “cellaring” fan but I think the flavors here just need some more time to get to know each other.

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Photo of julian89
3.78/5  rDev -8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Drank on 3/18/2012 after the GA Publix Marathon
Poured from bottle into pint glass

Appearance: A dark black color, quarter inch head with no lacing. Rapidly diminished so not a very good retention.

Smell: Not a strong smell, typical bitterness of a dark porter.

Mouthfeel: Simple frothy carbonation. Very smooth.

Taste: A good porter with light coffee and strong malt taste.

Overall: Not bad.

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Photo of morimech
3.8/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Stark-Porter 2006 Vintage with a best by date of January 2016.

Very dark brown that appears black in the glass. One inch of head forms but quickly settles to a thin cap. Moderate amount of spotty lacing is left on the glass.

Has that European lager aroma going on. As the beer opens up there comes some added complexity. Subtle hints of chocolate, dark malt, coffee, and the slightest touch of cherries.

The taste is a little more impressive. Slightly bitter chocolate, a little roasted malt, and a faint fruitiness melds nicely into a good flavor. There is also some earthiness. Not as bigged flavored as American brewers intrepertation of the style but more of a traditional beer. I am also surprised by the decade long aging ability. I cannot see aging helping this beer at all.

The body is not very large. In fact it feels a bit watery. Considering the low ABV, I am not that surprised. Just enough carbonation to give some life to the beer.

As I worked my way through the bottle, I came to appreciate the beer more. Not my favorite Baltic Porter but nice considering its historic significance.

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Photo of TheLongBeachBum
3.8/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Årgång 1997.
Sampled at 9 Years Old.

Presentation: It’s been a long time since I tried this dark sexy Swedish number, so when I saw a petit 1997 bottle of this one, I fancied taking it for a ride again. This shrunken Scandinavian has a rather striking look despite its rather demure 8.82 fluid ounce sample size.

Appearance: This aged sample has a very, very, very dark black body. Utterly impervious it looks like a glass of tar once the fading tan head completely disappears. The flat look does little to offer any excitement and the absence of any conditioning is derisory. Still, this does have an appeal, like a stripped bare knuckle fighter you get to see this one devoid of any fancy-schmancy pomp and circumstance.

Nose: Fading in strength from fresher samples if my ailing memory serves me well. Dark chocolate, roasted coffee, sweet molasses and smoked charcoal. A soft background has a rich texture but is low to the punch.

Taste: Smoky beginnings, molasses and a light chocolate darkness with a bitter trait. This has mellowed out from earlier offerings with a younger vintage but a rewarding brew nonetheless. Roasted feel remains and a light hint of Smoky Bacon punctuates the lingering finish.

Mouthfeel: Thinning body has a creamy feel despite its low conditioning. The body has a solid depth but tends to wax and wane and it can feel a little depleted at times, but never anything less than above average.

Drinkability: Only had 8.82 fluid ounces – but it was an enjoyable sipper.

Overall: First brewed in 1836, but it seems that at nearly ten years old this one tends to loose all conditioning and starts to thin out, though the complexity remains and the depth of taste still excites. Remains a high quality sipping Baltic Porter but I prefer this one a little younger.

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Photo of merlin48
3.82/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

2001 vintage with "best before 2010" on label. Pours an opaque, almost pitch black with a tan head that quickly drops into patchy and collar lacing. Aroma of burnt coffee, smoke, licorice, and a hint of chocolate. Mouthfeel is medium bodied, creamy, and has a mild peppery bite. Taste is similar to the nose, with burnt coffee, smokiness, licorice, and spicy, dry, bittering hops. Very drinkable, and a nice Porter, but nothing outstanding at this stage. I was surprised by the "best before" date being a several years down the road. This one will probably be much better in a couple of years.

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Photo of wedge
3.82/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

2010

Pitch black with a fluffy, beige head that reduces to a creamy ring around the edge of the glass. Some sediment left in the bottle. Interesting aroma - along with a fresh chocolate grain richness, there is a good amount of toffee, nuts, prune, and port. Dark malt and fruit flavor exhibiting some tartness and a dry roasty edge. Dark fruit, berries, and molasses. Not as rich as many Baltic Porters, but then it is unusually light in alcohol. Medium bodied and pretty clean, but seems to fall a little flat. I'd be interested to see what this would be like properly cellared for a couple more years.

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Photo of rugger
3.82/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This guy poured a very deep black that you would expect to see with a stout. There was a very small head, even when trying to build a big one with a vigorous pour. The little head that there was quickly left the building. The smell was of a caramel/roasty/nutty mixture that was very interesting and exciting. The taste had a very cabonated twang to it that never went away, however underneath that was a very complex carmel, molasses nutty mixture that was very nice and unexpected along with a thick molasses like mouthfeel, I also figure that there was some lactose in there as well. I wish I knew what the rest of the label says. I would drink seveal of these on a nice cool evening.

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Photo of WoodBrew
3.85/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

The Carnegie Porter is solid.....middle of the road light English like porter. It poured an deep mahogany with white head that left some lace. The scent was roast and peat. The taste had earth, roast and a touch of grenadine. The mouthfeel was lighter in body with decent carbonation. Overall it was good.

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Photo of TheDM
3.86/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Oh yeah! A small head with medium to fine light brown bubbles that quickly fades away. A deep brown color almost black body. It has a very heavy aroma full of hops. Low carbonation with heavy flavor and coffee taste typical of a good dark porter. I found myself taking several sips to make my taste calls. It has a typical dark flavor with no aftertaste. The head is gone now as I complete this report. A very nice brew.

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Photo of baggio
3.87/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3

One of the better beers produced in sweden and i've never tried it...untill now....

A: Pitch black. Almost non-existant lace.

S: Cocoa, ripe fruit, roasted malts, rum.

T: wood, vanilla, bourbon, coffee, chocolate.

M: Smooth as silk with a nice burnt aftertaste. Low carbonation.

This is a fine porter that i regret not trying untill now. I think should
age nicely too. Recommended!

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Photo of plaid75
3.88/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Argang 2004.

Poured a deep black hue with a one finger foamy tan head. There was good retention and lacing.

The smell featured a soft cocoa aroma with hints of coffee and mild caramel.

The taste consisted of an upfront lactose sweetness that gradually blended with the roasted coffee element The sweetness prevented the flavor from drying out. I was a bit suprised by this.

The mouthfeel was full and chewy, with a bit of an uncomfortable heavy sweetness.

Overall a nice and flavorful porter. Not as dry as I would have hoped however.

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Photo of Jredner
3.89/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Dark brown with a thin head. Smells of chocolate and mildly of molasses. Lightly roasted with sweet malt and more molasses and chocolate. Very mild, but also very compelling. You just want another sip. It almost has a Baltic Porter taste profile, but none of the BP alcohol.

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Photo of mikeg67
3.89/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Bottle 2013, Klass III. Pours black with small, creamy, beige head and nice lacing. Aroma is of floral hops, toasted malt, dark fruit and coffee. Body is full and slightly crisp. Taste is of toasted malt, coffee, vanilla, brown sugar, dark fruit and floral hops. Finish is long and bittersweet. Very nice porter.

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Photo of FLima
3.9/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

This beer dates back to 1836, which was a surprise for a Swedish beer.
Deep black color with a thin head with low retention.
Grainy raw malt aroma with clear mocha notes.
Flavor of roasted and toasted malts, dark chocolate and earthy hops. Hints of licorice, raisins and figs.
Very dry aftertaste with a long lasting residual taste of dark malts, cocoa powder and hops.
Full body with low carbonation.
What a beautiful Baltic Porter. If you like dark beers, it is a must.

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