Carnegie Porter 5,5% | Carlsberg Sverige AB

BA SCORE
91
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582 Ratings
Carnegie Porter 5,5%Carnegie Porter 5,5%
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Carlsberg Sverige AB
Sweden
carlsberg.se

Style: Baltic Porter

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

40 IBU

Added by BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

BEER STATS
Ratings:
582
Reviews:
354
Avg:
4.12
pDev:
10.68%
 
 
Wants:
66
Gots:
44
For Trade:
2
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Photo of womencantsail
3.5/5  rDev -15%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

The pour is brown in color with a small tan head. Some roast malt, dark fruit, and a hint of coffee come through first on the nose. A bit dusty and oxidized. Quite a lot of dark fruit, especially prunes. The flavor is fairly simple. Some roasted malt, chocolate, and tons of dark fruit.

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

Photo of Fettpopps
3.5/5  rDev -15%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of SilentSabre
3.5/5  rDev -15%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

I must say, I'm a little let down by this one. I had such high expectations for it, and I just don't think it delivered. It was quite tasy and smelled okay; it just wasn't the big, black, chocolate pudding beer I thought it was going to be. It poured a dark reddish brown colour through which light could pass. It had a sandy coloured foamy head that stayed around for ages and left thick lacing clinging to the sides of the glass. This was quite nice, but I would have liked it better were it darker still. The smell was roasted malts with a bit of a bitter coffee bean under tone, and a really faint chocolate aroma hidden deep down. I expected so much more in the smell. I expected the roasted malt, coffee, and chocolate, but at much higher levels. There was also a bit of a soured smell present here, as well, such as something you might expect to find with a lambic. Not as strong of course, but there, faintly, nevertheless. The taste was sweet roasted malts and a touch of caramel. Not the unmanageable semi-sweet chocolate and punch in the face coffee bean bitterness I was so hoping for. Mouthfeel was a bit thin, both for what I was expecting, and the style as a whole, I thought. Overall, this was a good porter. Not a fantastic porter, simply a good one. I was simply expecting so much more from this one, only to be dissappointed a bit. 3.5's across the board.

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

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3.5/5  rDev -15%

Bottle from rlgk, thanks Ronny!

Perfect beige head, brown-black color.

Aromas of bready, roasted malts and coffee.

Rich malts, going along with toffee, earthy notes, hints of chocolate, coffee and smoke. Sweet malts melt together with chocolate, supported by a perfect fitting carbonation, resulting in a smoky, warm finish. Malt goes through different stages on the palate, mingles up with coffee and later on chocolate, but keeps being the most defining ingredient of this beer the whole time. Oily, smooth mouthfeel, with a bitter finish.

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Photo of jzlyo
3.51/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Aroma is dark malts, toffee and, annoying, cola. The flavor is dark malts, toffee/caramel, the same annoying slight cola, mild chocolate and an acidic/slightly sweet finish. Definitely could've done without the cola, although it did fade thankfully.

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Photo of chinchill
3.52/5  rDev -14.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Undated 330ml bottle served in a Belgian snifter.

Pours very dark reddish-brown, clear with a tan head of moderate size and retention. Spotty lacing.

Aroma: dark and smoked malts with a hint of dried dark fruits.

Flavor: dark fruits, dark bread, light smoke and a hint of coffee.

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Photo of rastaman
3.53/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

1998: A good porter, but perhaps a little sweet or something, still i can't believe Pripps brew this, that brewery really sucks.

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Photo of secondtooth
3.53/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Black as night, with a thick head of tan foam. Thin but attractive lace.

Nose says caramel and toffee.

Tasting reveals a really sweet porter. I get more toffee, caramel, and a little chocolate. Maybe this bottle was stored too long (or in improper conditions), but the bottle says best by 2016! Nonetheless, it seems something's off here.

Anyhow, I can envision a fresher bottle being a fine session porter, but this bottle didn't cut it.

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Photo of BeerFMAndy
3.53/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz bottle poured into a snifter.
5.5% ABV, "Årgång 2013"

A - Clarity is hard to come by in this black beer, but when held to the light, ruby mahogany shines through. The loose, soapy head disappears to clusters of spore-like bubbles sporadically dotted around the surface of the beer and on the glass.

S - Burnt cheap coffee, burnt toast, and oak give the aroma a charred, metallic scent that finally opens up as it warms up, allowing some dark fruit and fig nuances and a touch of mocha in on the finish.

T - The charred profile continues into the flavor with tons of black roasted malts imparting earthiness, burnt toast, peppery notes, and thin, dry cocoa.

M - Thin-bodied, this light porter is crisp and clean like a lager but without any malt sweetness or body leaving this reviewer wanting more.

O - Roasted and bitter with out backbone, this light (in every sense of the word) Baltic Porter has flimsy, lopsided flavor and the makings of a nice Baltic but little body to back it up.

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Photo of Slats
3.56/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2006 in 1p 9oz bottle

Appearance: Inky black with a good sticky lace. The lace hangs around to the last sip

Smell: For some reason stewed tomatoes is the first thing that comes to mind and I can't get past that enough to find more.

taste: Tastes like the tomatoes I smell but tamed by the malts. Roasted nut flavors with a touch of coffee. A bit sour on the back end.

Mouthfeel: silky and a touch thin, almost no alcohol warmth.

drinkability: Interesting beer but I find the flavors fatiguing. I can't imagine wanting more than one of these in a sitting. I would keep it to a rare diversion.

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Photo of GClarkage
3.56/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

4/17/05- Purchased at a wine and spirits store in Sonoma, CA

Presentation- 8.8oz bottle, vintage 1997, poured into my Corsendonk tulip.

Appearance- Dark and lightly sryupy pour, no head or lacing whatsoever.

Smell- Very sweet, almost like a prune juice scent. Alcohol fumes as well. Interesting.

Taste- Raisins, prunes, raosted malt in the background with maybe a light coffee grounds flavor. Maybe, just maybe a touch of super dark chocolate as well.

Mouthfeel- Pretty watery, almost like a watered down coffee liquor.

Drinkability- Not bad, but definitely not worth the $4.95 I paid for this not even 9oz of liquid. Worth a try if you can find it for cheaper, but still not a great baltic IMO.

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Photo of DogFood11
3.57/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Gobbled this at Barney's Beanery in west hollywood, former stomping grounds of Janis Joplin and Mr Jim Morrison. Poured a dark brown without much sunlight able to penetrate this pup. lots of burnt type tones to it. Extremely smooth to the point of being watery. Coffee was evident but not prominent. Finished with some hops but not overly dry.

Overall I thought it was ok but for the price it was not a beer I'll pursue. I'll pay for a great brew but for an OK brew no.

Edit Feb 2006: Bottled 2004 version. Still not one I'd seek out but if this was the offering at my hotel in Ibiza I'd gobble it up and love it. As it stands, LA has enough options to where this brew is a passer by.

Edit Feb 2007: Had another bottle of the 2004 and I stand by my original scores. Its just OK fresh or with age. A bit of a cola feel starts to creep in as it gets older and not a bad thing really as this needs a bit more depth.

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Photo of biegaman
3.57/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Carnegie Porter looks like a liquid raspberry truffle: it's a melted chocolate brown colour for the most part but has remnants of ruby throughout. All the colour is concealed within its dark exterior and only illuminated when held right up against the light. Its head is scattered but manages to coat most of the surface and some parts of the glass.

Truthfully, there isn't much to distinguish Carnegie Porter. The aroma has only entry-level amounts of chocolate and roasted malt, not really enough even to emulate coffee or licorice flavours. There's traces of dark fruits - whether the influence of malt, yeast, or alcohol who knows - but they, too, make only a minimal contribution.

Those unaccustomed to dark beers will find this surprisingly, pleasantly easy to drink; those expecting a true Scandinavian Baltic Porter will be entirely disappointed. This has neither an especially roasted nor hopped presence, with virtually no coffee, chocolate, caramel, toffee, nutty, or molasses complexity and only the most brief taste of dark fruits. Boring.

The label on the back states that "storage helps the flavour mature and helps enhance its harmony"; there's no production or best before date on this bottle but I doubt it's all that fresh. Already the beer tastes oxidized and considerably thinned out. Given this thin a malt bill - and especially at a mild 5.5% - I'd ignore the brewery's recommendations and drink it now.

Carnegie Porter is a dark beer likely to appeal to those most afraid of them; I should have expected such a watered-down product from Carlsberg. There's nothing bold or intimating about this supposed Baltic Porter - it's as much a caricature as the Swedish chef from the Muppets. Scandinavians do much bolder (and better) than this. Don't waste your time on it.

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Photo of smcolw
3.58/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Very dark with a deep tan head that leaves a generous amount of lace.

Sweet chocolate aroma with buttery caramel...the smell is rich, full and inviting. There is a presense of alcohol, but it doesn't detract.

This is a very sweet porter. The hop comes across strictly as a spice. The malt sugars are present thoughout the tasting, even in the aftertaste. The high level of sugars make for a thick consistency. The carbonation is equally high providing a slight contrast to the sweetness.

This is a little too sweet for my taste, even though I can appreciate the complexity of the beer.

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Photo of cyclonece09
3.6/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 11.2 oz bottle into a mug. Pours pitch black with a foamy brown head. Smells of chocolate, a little coffee. Tastes of raisins, fruit, and candy, quite surprising. Beer lightly carbonated full body nice finish. Overall a slightly above average beer.

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Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
4.12 out of 5 based on 582 ratings.
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