Carnegie Porter 5,5% | Carlsberg Sverige AB

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Brewed by:
Carlsberg Sverige AB
Sweden | website

Style: Baltic Porter

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.50%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
First introduced in 1836.

Strong beers were banned in Sweden 1923-1956.

The 5.5 % original recipe was re-introduced in 1985 as a beer fermented with both top and bottom yeast.

In 1993, the yeast was changed to a single bottom-fermenting strain.

In 2009, the label design and name was changed from "Carnegie Stark-Porter" to "Carnegie Porter".

Added by BeerAdvocate on 02-04-2001

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4.12
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Photo of ThisWangsChung
4.11/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

I was surprised to see this in my Neighborhood Liquor Store™, so of course I had to bite the bullet. 11.2 oz bottle into a pint glass, 2010 vintage.

A: Pours a dark ruby color. It appears pitch black from a glance, however it shows ruby-red edges when held up to a good light. The head is a two finger light mocha shade. It doesn't retain itself well, unfortunately, but manages to leave behind good lacing.

S: Rich as hell, yet also quite sweet. Aside from mild (and expected) oxidation, there are also strong notes of dark fruits, along with a good helping of cocoa powder. It does a good job of coming across bigger than it really is.

T: The opening flavors, indeed, are sweet and fruity. After that, it gradually dries out. A midtaste full of luscious cocoa powder becomes lightly ashy on the finish and aftertaste. However, it remains plummy throughout the flavor profile, and even shows some good depth.

M: It's got a lighter body, with a mild finishing dryness helping to keep some of the sweeter flavors in check. Carbonation is low as expected, but not quite flat. It's quite easy to drink given its relative rich flavor.

O: Lowish carbonation aside, this has aged like a champ. A shame I'll likely never be able to find this again (barring a trade) because this is really excellent stuff. And hey, I didn't have to drink a crappy Carlsberg lager or sell my soul for a bottle of Kaggen! Stormakstporter just so I could tick a Swedish brew!

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Photo of popery
4.68/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

2006 Vintage.

A: Very good looking beer, particularly for a porter with a few years on it. Black liquid with a nice foamy head and plenty of lacing.

S: Interesting smell. It's probably a bit weaker but more complex now than it was fresh. There are notes of sweet stone fruit and roasted malt. It's interesting, but it doesn't have the punch of some porters.

T: The taste is incredible at this point. It's sweet, roasty and fruity. The flavor is exceptionally well-melded and balanced. It's an excellent porter that has aged incredibly. I like that there's still good bitterness. The hops have mostly dropped out, but it's never cloying or overly sweet.

M: Creamy and smooth.

D: Extremely easy to drink. You can't make a beer taste this way without the aid of time. The feel and flavor are just right. This beer has surprised me greatly. I was expecting disappointment but received just the opposite.

3/20/2010 - Still awesome.

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Photo of OWSLEY069
3.21/5  rDev -22.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours black with a nice tan head. Aromas that are a small caramel sweetness. In the taste, a dry malt, with hints of chocolate and a nice coffee presence. A smooth, dry sticky mouthfeel and a dry malty aftertaste. Nice smoothness and flavor, a very enjoyable porter.

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Photo of tavernjef
4.62/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Feloniousmonk was nice enough to break out his last bottle of the 2001 vintage, thanks - this was quite worth it.

Color is dark brown with deep amber highlights with a pinky-finger high head of bumpy, lumpy dark ivory crown, no real lace qualities. Smell is of dark fruits - banana, starfruit, and mixes well with some real quaility darkened caramel sweetness from malts with a notes in toffeeness. Taste is soooo smooth of caramel, lots of maltyness, some great small bitterness of dark citrusy hops noting on banana and orange, notes of toffee, maple syrup, and a even a touch of chocolate lightly making an appearance in there, quite a nice subtle mixing in this offering. Very full bodied with an enormous amount of exceptional creamyness that just slides down making a home in every area of your senses. Wow, this was one great little amount of fun, so sad to see the last sip go.
Thanks again FM!

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Photo of morimech
3.8/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Stark-Porter 2006 Vintage with a best by date of January 2016.

Very dark brown that appears black in the glass. One inch of head forms but quickly settles to a thin cap. Moderate amount of spotty lacing is left on the glass.

Has that European lager aroma going on. As the beer opens up there comes some added complexity. Subtle hints of chocolate, dark malt, coffee, and the slightest touch of cherries.

The taste is a little more impressive. Slightly bitter chocolate, a little roasted malt, and a faint fruitiness melds nicely into a good flavor. There is also some earthiness. Not as bigged flavored as American brewers intrepertation of the style but more of a traditional beer. I am also surprised by the decade long aging ability. I cannot see aging helping this beer at all.

The body is not very large. In fact it feels a bit watery. Considering the low ABV, I am not that surprised. Just enough carbonation to give some life to the beer.

As I worked my way through the bottle, I came to appreciate the beer more. Not my favorite Baltic Porter but nice considering its historic significance.

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Photo of RoyalT
3.77/5  rDev -8.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance – Very dark in color with a nice, tanned head that showed decent retention and left a little lacing.

Smell – This aroma is nice. There’s some good coffee and chocolate notes to go along with the classic roasted malts. I can also pick up small traces of cocoa, anise, molasses, and some kind of sugar (maybe pure cane).

Taste – The smaller notes from the nose came out bigger at the taste. The chocolate and anise were prominent, but the molasses all but disappeared. This is not a super-dark porter; it’s more of a lighter one in the classic sense.

Mouthfeel – This was medium-bodied. I thought the mouthfeel was the weak point of the porter. The flavors were kind of clumsy and could maybe benefit from cellaring.

Drinkability – This went great with my Stoned Bratwurst and sauerkraut.

Comments – I had the 2001 vintage. Even though it is going on three years old I would recommend cellaring this for another three. I’m not a big “cellaring” fan but I think the flavors here just need some more time to get to know each other.

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Photo of Gmann
3.18/5  rDev -22.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark brown color with a frothy khaki colored head that settled into a solid ring.

The aroma is of a lightly bready malt, milky and grainy. Some sterile roast notes and an overall tin like scent.

The malt is mostly grainy with a slight roast edge. Subtle metallic notes with an interesting lemon note. Some light caramel and toffee sweetness. Overall, a bit thin for a baltic porter.

The feel is light, though not watery, with some prickly carbonation. Grainy sweet on the palate with not much of a bitter offset. Drinks easy I guess.

Not super impressed with this beer. Basically a notch or two above a dark Euro lager. Definitely not a baltic porter in my eyes.

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Photo of francisweizen
4.25/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2001 vintage, best by April 2010. Cost me like $5 at my local store...way overpriced, I know. Anyway this was a nice strong porter. It poured a deep black colour with a tan/beige head of foam. The aromas were all deep roasted chocolate and caramel malts with some lovely citric hops in the background and on the finish. The taste was similar to the aromas with some lovely roasted malts and hops blending together for a nice chocolatey/caramely taste of wonder. The mouthfeel was creamy, thick, and almost "chewy" and the drinkability is damn good as well!

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Photo of TheLongBeachBum
3.8/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Årgång 1997.
Sampled at 9 Years Old.

Presentation: It’s been a long time since I tried this dark sexy Swedish number, so when I saw a petit 1997 bottle of this one, I fancied taking it for a ride again. This shrunken Scandinavian has a rather striking look despite its rather demure 8.82 fluid ounce sample size.

Appearance: This aged sample has a very, very, very dark black body. Utterly impervious it looks like a glass of tar once the fading tan head completely disappears. The flat look does little to offer any excitement and the absence of any conditioning is derisory. Still, this does have an appeal, like a stripped bare knuckle fighter you get to see this one devoid of any fancy-schmancy pomp and circumstance.

Nose: Fading in strength from fresher samples if my ailing memory serves me well. Dark chocolate, roasted coffee, sweet molasses and smoked charcoal. A soft background has a rich texture but is low to the punch.

Taste: Smoky beginnings, molasses and a light chocolate darkness with a bitter trait. This has mellowed out from earlier offerings with a younger vintage but a rewarding brew nonetheless. Roasted feel remains and a light hint of Smoky Bacon punctuates the lingering finish.

Mouthfeel: Thinning body has a creamy feel despite its low conditioning. The body has a solid depth but tends to wax and wane and it can feel a little depleted at times, but never anything less than above average.

Drinkability: Only had 8.82 fluid ounces – but it was an enjoyable sipper.

Overall: First brewed in 1836, but it seems that at nearly ten years old this one tends to loose all conditioning and starts to thin out, though the complexity remains and the depth of taste still excites. Remains a high quality sipping Baltic Porter but I prefer this one a little younger.

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Photo of KTCamm
4.11/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Spotted at the Morton Williams in NYC. 500 ml (or so) bottle. Poured into a pint glass. 2004 vintage as identified on the bottle.

Pours jet black with low white foam. Jet black, compltely blocks out the light.

Very minor roasted smell.

Lightly sweet chocolate taste, some roasting in there. Hints of minor fruits - plums, raisins, etc. Dry finish. Oddly full in the mouthfeel, but watery at time as well. But very smooth. Notes of coffee taste.

A very well made porter, good drinkability.

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Photo of cokes
4.4/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Condemned in 2001. No chance of salvation until April 2010.

The crimson blackness is ringed with a small brown foam.
Nose is ripped apart with winged plums, and malts singed with the fires of Hades.

Taste begins the descent:

At the First Gate, torturous black malts wail with a sizzling harsh sweetness.
The Second Gate beacons with undying Grapes wallowing in their Earthly sins.
Past the Third Gate, Roasted Barley screams for forgiveness.
The Forth Gate smolders with an unholy smokiness, strapped to its device of oaken, woody horror.
The Fifth Gate exibits chocolate malt contorted in an obscene manner, pleading for mercy, as the poker is jabbed to its ribs.
Gate #6 contains plums, too lustful in life to exist elsewhere.
Beyond the stone-hued Seventh Gate is a sulfurous surge of reduced coffee that emits fumes of pure decadence.
The buttery whimpering of diacetyl lie past the Eight Gate, Joined with an acidic bawl.
The final gate, Number 9, is a raisin-drenched screech of alcohol-drowned dark fruit pain and suffering.

The deliciousness of pure wickedness unfolds. But the malice is less full than expected.
Nevertheless, it is a vice that can be indulged en masse.

Truly devilish.

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Photo of Reagan1984
3.73/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to Masterski for providing this in a recent trade. Alex is a good man.

Very creamy 2+ finger of beige head sits atop this beer. It slowly collapses but takes it's time and shows excellent retention. The beer is almost as black as an Imperial Stout. Help to a bright light you get some slight light coming through. Nice sheets of lacing.

Aroma is malty, caramel and a whiff of alcohol which is strange since it's only 5.5%.

Roasted malt and chocolate notes dominate here. A slight molasses flavor as well. Somewhat musty as well. Perhaps a little licorice here.

Fairly thick bodied and dry on your tongue. A slight dry or powder like feeling on your tongue. A little abv heat which again is strange at 5.5%.

The end of the flavor is slightly abrupt which cuts down on the drinkability for me. It's good and you can't say it's watery, but still the flavor ends quickly.

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Photo of notchucknorris
4/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Pours a slightly thin looking black color with about a 1/2 in tan head.

S: I picked up a ton of bitter coffee at first, but it mellowed as the beer warmed a bit. Chocolate and some roasted malt as well.

T: Much sweeter than I expected. Espresso, chocolate, chocolate cake, roasted malt and maybe a touch of hops towards the finish. Pretty tasty. Mouthfeel is slightly thin but has a nice creamy feel.

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Photo of wedge
3.82/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

2010

Pitch black with a fluffy, beige head that reduces to a creamy ring around the edge of the glass. Some sediment left in the bottle. Interesting aroma - along with a fresh chocolate grain richness, there is a good amount of toffee, nuts, prune, and port. Dark malt and fruit flavor exhibiting some tartness and a dry roasty edge. Dark fruit, berries, and molasses. Not as rich as many Baltic Porters, but then it is unusually light in alcohol. Medium bodied and pretty clean, but seems to fall a little flat. I'd be interested to see what this would be like properly cellared for a couple more years.

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Photo of canucklehead
3.65/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Picked up a 1997 bottle from Archer's Ale House in Bellingham. The beer was black as black with minimal head. The nose was winy and old fruity. The taste was aged and vinous with the burnt malts in the background. I felt that this bottle was maybe too old as the midbody seemed slightly hollow. I know that this beer can be cellared eventhough it is only 5.5% but I feel the low abv may have let some of the bigger flavours dissipate. I enjoyed this beer but wanted a bigger set of flavours.

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Photo of Boto
4.03/5  rDev -2.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

500ml bottle: Mine was marked "ARGANG 2006", although I bought it recently. This one pours an inky very dark brown color. Mine had about no head on it whatsoever. A little bit of a sweeter aroma. Caramel and toffee, with just a faint roastiness in there also. A bit of sweetness in the taste. Coffee, chocolate, caramel, toffee and a hint of roastiness dominate the taste. A touch of slickness on the tongue. Nice!

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Photo of hopdog
3.6/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Bottle labeled Argang 1997.

Poured a dark black color with almost no head - what head was there was an off white. Aromas of chocolate and licorice . Lighter tastes. Very light coffee on top of the chocolate. Some roastiness too.

Notes from: 12/30/04

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Photo of Brent
4/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2001 Vintage. Black with some ruby tinge. Of the Baltic porters I've had so far, this is both the lightest flavored and lowest abv. Some very mild oxidation flavor present in the first few sips, but after the beer warmed it faded, or I just got used to it. Sharply sweet candy-ish aroma, almost surprising when the beer does not turn out to be particularly sweet in flavor. Carmelized fig and prune flavors, but in moderation. Finishes with a bit a acidity that cleans up nicely and leaves a pleasant sour bitterness at the roof of the mouth. Not really a fireside sipper like other Baltics, but overall more drinkable than its bretheren.

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Photo of PorterLambic
4.6/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A beautiful pitch black brew with a 1 1/2" tan head that drops to 1/2" smoothly. Some scattered, coarse lace.
Smell was of roasted malt, oak, coffee with a hint of toastiness to it.
Taste was wonderfully complex, with roasted malt and a coffee tinged oakiness, a bit of dark chocolate & a hint of vanilla (?) this was just perfectly balanced.
Mouthfeel was very nice, creamy, full-bodied and smooth with just the right amount of carbonation.
This brew is supremely drinkable, in fact, the only thing I can possibly knock it on: I would have liked a little smoky flovor to it. I would have gone almost all 5's then. A tremendous beer.
For the record, mine was a 2001 on the label (the picture on the site shows 1997) and I noticed at the bottom of the back label was printed "Best before April 2010. Yes, 2010. A three year old beer with 7 more to go. I'll be looking for more of this.

April, 2007

I found more! A 2004 vintage. The appearance score drops slightly due to minimal head retention but the taste and smell increase due to finding the previously sought smoke character which was all over the nose, mouth and aftertaste that just lingered forever (with vanilla) at the back of the throat. Buy it, drink it, want more.

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Photo of merlin48
3.82/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

2001 vintage with "best before 2010" on label. Pours an opaque, almost pitch black with a tan head that quickly drops into patchy and collar lacing. Aroma of burnt coffee, smoke, licorice, and a hint of chocolate. Mouthfeel is medium bodied, creamy, and has a mild peppery bite. Taste is similar to the nose, with burnt coffee, smokiness, licorice, and spicy, dry, bittering hops. Very drinkable, and a nice Porter, but nothing outstanding at this stage. I was surprised by the "best before" date being a several years down the road. This one will probably be much better in a couple of years.

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Photo of Vancer
4.16/5  rDev +1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Best before May 2014 – holy crap! And I found it in a close-out bin for only $2 a 500ml. Only 2 bottles in there, damn.

Coal black pour, massive ivory head, good lacing – this brew is off on the right foot! Semi-stoutish aroma of chocolate, coffee, and the infamous sour ale.

Dry quaff works the above notes into the taste quite well. Just a small pop of chalkyness, and this processes a nice hop balance to qwell any cloying sweetness. Creamy like a milk stout, the 5 and a half % alcohol makes this close to a real session drinker.

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Photo of sulldaddy
4.14/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I am drinking a 1997 vintage bottle. Room temp and in a snifter. The beer pours a pitch black color with a small tan head foams up a little even with a vigorous pour. The head fades quickly to an edge layer and then disappears completely within 2 minutes.
Aroma is chocolate and caramel with a light pine hop scent surprisingly coming through. SMooth creamy texture and average body are present in this brew. Very light and gentle carbonation, almost non-existent. Flavor is chocolate and roasted malts with some brown sugar sweetness appearing. the beer is silky smooth and very easy to drink. Not sure about other years, but this one is quite tasty. try this year 1997 or others.

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Photo of mdagnew
4.2/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

500ml bottle bought from The Vineyard, Belfast...

Poured deep dark mahogany brown with a hint of red when held up to the light. Mocha tan head poured pretty thick and foamy with a bubbly top then faded quite quickly to decent coating with thick edging... some light patchy lacing...

Aroma - Lots of lightly roasted chocolate malts, toasted bread, dark sweet fruits (stewed plums, blackcurrents), dark brown sugar sweetness, roasted nuts, light burnt toffee, fresh vanilla, mocha coffee notes, light allspice, some treacle notes...

Taste - Lots of milk chocolate notes, toasted bready malts, nice treacle sweetness which is balanced by light spicy and peppery hop bitterness, prune and date fruitiness, toasted nuts, milky notes, coffee with brown sugar, cocoa powder...

Feel - Smooth and creamy with a little bite just coming through... a very sessionable brew especially at only 5.5%.

Overall - An incredibly well balanced and drinkable Porter but at £3.50 a bottle not something that i'd be buying all the time... definitely recommended though...

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Photo of Todd
4.94/5  rDev +19.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Presentation: 8.82fl.oz. cute little brown bottle. "årgång 1997" states that it's their '97 vintage. "stark" is strong.

Appearance: Deep, dark brown/ruby red. Head pours weak at first with large bubbles, then it creates a 1/4" cream lace under the same. It dissipates to a patchy, creamy off-white lace. A gentle swirl will induce a more creamy head.

Smell: One of the best aromas that I have ever come across. Big malt aromas of dark fruits and sweet raw malts, touch of caramel malt, black liquorice, oak and vanilla. Esters and oxidation are noted. Very rich and complex nose.

Taste: Sweet malt profile of caramel (faint diacetyl/butter flavours), grape-like flavours, light molasses and chocolate. No real "roasted" type flavours, which makes it a very traditional Porter, however you can just pick up a faint smoked malt flavour. Body is medium to full, mouthfeel is a bit chewy and luscious. Towards the end you can taste some oxidation and cherry/oak notes, a by-product of its age. Finishes slighty dry and bready, with notes of grain husk and chocolate residuals.

Notes: This vintage has probably reached its peak, though I'd be interested in tasting it again in a few years. It's an amazing example of the style and ripe for the tasting. I implore everyone to try this magnificent Swedish beer.

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Photo of msubulldog25
4.17/5  rDev +1.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A 16.9 oz bottle, with a simple label almost all written in Swedish - årgång 2004. Not my first Swedish beer ever (thanks to a 1999 trip to Stockholm/Västerås for my brother's wedding, where plenty of Pripps Blå was consumed), but my first in a long time. Label reads: "Carnegie Porter was brewed for the first time in 1836 and tastes the same today as it did then."

A: Deep, dark brown with amber at the edges. Hardly any head; what there is appears stark white, surrounding the glass with a small ring and capping it with a star-shaped film. A little sticking lace, in thin bands.

S: Sweet & malty, to be expected of a Baltic Porter. Toasted grain and mild fruit. Pleasant, though a little subtle.

T: Malty sweetness with lots of spice and caramel, but with more bittering, grain huskiness, a little smoke. Slightly medicinal, citrus-y finish. Cocoa and darker chocolate in the finish. Dark roasted and some lactic sourness in the finish. Very tasty and nicely balanced.

M: Actively carbonated mouthfeel on a medium body. Grainy/sweet finish with some lingering spice. Infinitely smooth, lightly creamy, nice mouthfeel overall.

D: Very easy to drink, flavors aren't conducive to lots of drinking but good for a bottle. Worth a try, a good Baltic Porter.

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Carnegie Porter 5,5% from Carlsberg Sverige AB
92 out of 100 based on 348 ratings.
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