Moord & Doodslag (Disputin) | Brouwerij De Molen

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Moord & Doodslag (Disputin)Moord & Doodslag (Disputin)

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen

Style: Russian Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 10.70%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Formerly named "Rasputin," then labeled as "Disputin" due to a dispute with North Coast over the name. Also has been called "Cease & Desist".

Added by ChainGangGuy on 03-30-2008

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1/5  rDev -74.3%

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1/5  rDev -74.3%

Photo of mportnoy
1.5/5  rDev -61.4%
look: 1.5 | smell: 1.5 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.5

Sour and not in a good way. Drain poured it.

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Photo of pagriley
1.71/5  rDev -56%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1 | feel: 3 | overall: 1.75

Uggg. drain pour. Everything wrong - slightly sour, thin and pale with the nastiest aftertaste.

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Photo of CelticAleMan
2/5  rDev -48.6%

Photo of bdkucharski
2.16/5  rDev -44.5%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

Purchased a bottle (marked as 'cease & desist') on recommendation by store staff.

I wish I had read many of these other reviews first, as I would have gotten some warning about the potential for a gusher.

A - Black/Brown. Very foamy, it was all I could do to get this into a glass without it ending up all over the counter. So, thumbs up on the head retention.

S - Sweet and funky, not sure what kind of yeast they are using but it probably has something to do with the funk.

T - Sweet with a bit of roast then full-on funk and metallic. This beer has potential, but not being a fan Belgians and wilds, this comes across to me as infection vs. an intended effect.

M - Not too thick, not too thin, though it was difficult to get a good feel with the crazy carbonation until I let it warm to room temp.

O - I would not recommend this beer unless you are of the VERY adventurous type, especially considering the steep price tag ($10). I could definitely taste that this beer had potential at some point in the process, but I find the statement that this beer will be good for up to 25 years is laughable from my perspective. Thumbs down!

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Photo of Gfunk720
2.17/5  rDev -44.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 2

Bottle 678, out of my 3Floyds glass.

A- Something not right here. This beer looks like a flat old ale. Brownish red, hints of black, but no RIS. No head, not even bubbles.

S- Sweet, with hints of dark fruits. Doesn't really have any of those other typical RIS smells. Some brandy notes and booze.

T- Wierd. This tastes like an uncarbed batch of homebrew when ready for bottling. Tastes really sweet and fresh for a bottle from 2009.

M- Flat, and the flavor really doesn't work. The body was alright, but was a bit cloying.

O- I don't know if this beer just never carbed up, or what. It wasn't infected, but just tasted really odd. Definitely not like any other RIS I've had.


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Photo of rudzud
2.19/5  rDev -43.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.75 | overall: 2

Picked this up at Julio's years ago and shared at a party at JLindros's place. Poured into a Kate the Great snifter. Reviewed from notes. 2009 Vintage

A - Poured a dark dark oily brown with a thin wispy head that fades very quickly to leave next to nothing.

S - Aromas of big, bold oxidation. Chocolate covered raisins, cardboard. Quite disappointing.

T - Taste is old, tired malts, oxidation, chocolate, vanilla, cardboard, chalk. Oof.

M - Mouthfeel is super thin and oily. Incredibly unpleasant and boozy.

O - Overall, I think I waited a year or two too long on this bottle. Big letdown.

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Photo of Ryan011235
2.32/5  rDev -40.4%
look: 3 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.25

Poured into a Darkness tulip on 7/1/12

I can't remember was with me when I opened it. Seth had to be there because I was using his glass. Chris might have been there, too.

Brewed on 11 January 2009. Bottled on 16 February 2009. Bottle number 134.

A) On the pour this is surprisingly light brown in color. That said, it does end up rather dark in the glass. The head rises to close to three fingers; this is all rocky, porous foam. However, almost all of it dissipates leaving a soapy layer of retention and some sporadic trails of lace.

S) The aroma is disarmingly thin and timid. Oxidation permeates the entire aroma. Lots of dark fruits, too. Raisins and prunes. Sweet, but not overly sugary.

T) The flavor is even more fruity and heavy on raisins (twangy raisins no less). Too much on the side of tangy, sugary fruits. Roast and burnt notes are basically nonexistent.

M) Medium body. The feel is very smooth and moderately slick. Carbonation is tilted toward the lower side. Some sugary residuals.

D) Though this is not entirely bad or unenjoyable, it is simply not impressive. I wouldn't be inclined to get it again.

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Photo of Crittervision
2.35/5  rDev -39.6%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Consumed 13 April 2011. Didn't note the batch, but from a "Rasputin" bottle, 174/960. 

Reddish hints on a muddy body. Tan head. Way over-carbonated. The sink enjoyed a few ounces. 

Cocoa nib bitterness with a little chocolate sweetness. Sounds quite nice except for the metallic bit that is too obvious to ignore. 

Tastes of metallic, bitter coffee, bitter baked grains, and no sweetness. With warmth, chocolate and a nicer coffee come through — sans the metal and brash bitterness. 

Quite prickly and on the thin side, with champagne-like carbonation. Very much what I don't enjoy in an imperial stout. Warmth brings a nice velvety texture, but it remains thin and slightly prickly. 

Not a stellar example of the style. 

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Photo of Lukie
2.38/5  rDev -38.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2

2009, bottled February.

After losing half the bottle to gushing, the beer poured out an off-black, heavy brown, murky mud like colour, with a brown rocky head which slowly waned into about an inch of thick coffee like foam.

Only really get mollasses from the aroma, with some slight dark sour fruits. Hints of bitter chocolate.

Sweet, almost syrupy fruit flavours. This is the biggest RIS I have ever come across, and I don't think I was ready for it. Out the window with those roasty flavours, this is like drinking sugary syrup. Little bits of roasty chocolate come through at the end, but that syrupy taste just lingers.

I'll have to go against the norm here. I think this needs A LOT of time on it. Way to syrupy at the moment, ridiculously sweet, and the fact that it gushed really pissed me off.

I have another bottle (bottle #04, this was #14) in the beer cellar. I'll give it 25 years before I come back to it.

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Photo of billshmeinke
2.48/5  rDev -36.2%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1 | overall: 1.5

Pours... Like a beer with no carbonation. Pitch black.

Smells of bakers chocolate licorice dark fruits and sherry.

Tastes follows smell only dark fruits take more of a front seat. Tastes very sherry like. Kinda like it was aged a long time before release.

Mouthfeel is thin and watery. Complete absence of carbonation sucks.

It's ok. Could have been good, but the mouthfeel completely ruins it for me.

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2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

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2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

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2.5/5  rDev -35.7%

Photo of Jeffo
2.52/5  rDev -35.2%
look: 2 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

In Europe this beer is Rasputin, just like the brewer intended. People are allowed to name their beers what they want here.

This is also a re-review. My first review was from 2009 and I scored it a 2.7. I was never a big fan of this beer, but since so many things have changed at De Molen, as well as my palate, I thought I'd give it another go.

From a bottle into a snifter
Bottled 15 June 2011
Drunk next to a Hel & Verdoemenis

APPEARANCE: A clear, light brown pour yields a two finger, medium looking, fluffy, cream colored off-white head with great retention. Bistre brown body, relatively transparent, with higher levels of carbonation evident. Head slowly fades to a good wisp and foamy cap, clinging to the sides of the glass. A splotchy wisp remains and leaves some dots of lacing down the glass. Simply too light and transparent. Looks like a stout lite.

SMELL: Milder nose of roasted malts, caramel malts, and some floral and grassy hops. A touch of smoke as well. This one is quite hop forward and is missing the roasted malt backbone that this style needs. It’s also simply too mild.

TASTE: Milder flavors up front as well, as expected. Touches of roasted and caramel malts up front with a relatively hoppy finish. Floral, grassy and pine notes at the swallow and a good dose of bitterness as well. Bold and lingering aftertaste is plenty bitter with enough pine, and some caramel and lighter smoky notes. The flavors come out after the swallow and are bolder than I’d expected, but there’s not much imperial stout here that I like. It’s missing that roasted and chocolaty foundation that is so paramount to the style.

PALATE: Medium body and medium carbonation. Semi creamy on the palate, a little light unfortunately, but goes down fine and finishes slightly dry. Decent here.

OVERALL: Yup, dislike it just as much as last time. This is not my beer. It's not that it's poorly made or anything, it's just not my thing. Underwhelming, and much too hop forward for my tastes. I really missed the big, roasted, cocoa and chocolaty flavors that are so good in this style. It is also very thin and transparent in the look. Compared to the Hel & Verdoemenis, this one was the clear and undisputed loser. Will probably pass on this one every time from now on. Bleh...

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Photo of changdulla
2.72/5  rDev -30.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75

What disgusting bottle of dogshit. This is one of the most disappointing beer I've ever had. It taste old and stale to me. Lots of nasty floaties that I'm not used to in a stout. Drain pour.

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Photo of atone315
2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

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2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

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2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

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2.75/5  rDev -29.3%

Photo of hoegaardenhero
2.76/5  rDev -29%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

a: this beer pours a very deep red/brown with very notable red highlights. no head, just a ring of light bubbles around the top of the glass.

s: sweet and raisiny; stings the back of the nostrils with alcohol; prunes; very mild sweet chocolate; maybe a little bit of vanilla; actually quite nice and strong sweet blend of dark fruits, chocolate, and booze;

t: very tangy/sharp/sour and maybe a little fungal? i get some raisiny sweetness but almost no coffee or chocolate flavors/may be an off bottle?

m: tight refined bubbles, which i am enjoying and keeps it from bing too cloying for the style; pretty light body for the style, which i am kind of digging -

d: this is a really disappointing beer to me - taste is strange and not at all balanced. i actually ended up pouring the last half down the drain, which i almost never do b/c i am a cheap bastard.

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Photo of Tom_Gilman
2.87/5  rDev -26.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Served on draft in chalice. Only the color and ABV representative of the style. Tastes like a concentrated Doppelbock with a bit of acid tanginess. Plum, raisin, tamarind flavors and overwhelming malt sweetness. A boozy mess with no balance or finesse.

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Photo of sweemzander
2.95/5  rDev -24.2%
look: 5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Cease & Desist Bottle.
11.2oz waxed topped poured into a snifter. Bottle #1466 of 1584.

(A)- Pours a pitch black color. Produced a giant 3+ finger fluffy head with amazing retention considering the ABV. Some lace.

(S)- Some rich baked bread and roasty qualities. Bits of raisin. Very subtle bits of yeast and a tartness.

(T)- Again, a nice roasted/baked bread component. Some almost tart/metallic dark fruits in there with raisin, molasses, and cocoa too.

(M)- Plenty of carbonation for the style, if not a bit too much actually. Not sure of an infection too, but there is definitely a subtle level of sourness to it. Bitter, but mildly sweet too.

(D)- Not sure about this one or not. With that sourness factor, I have doubts as to whether or not there is an infection or if that is an intentional aspect of the beer. Sure looked sexy though.

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Photo of cbutova
2.97/5  rDev -23.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

03/28/2014 bottle thanks to ROBDMP. Approaching my 2000th review and this has been sitting in the fridge for a long time. If anything, a De Molen brew is always interesting at least and usually a fun experience in very big beer.

A- Opens with a faint hiss from the classic black and white labeled bottle and pours into my snifter like oil, somewhat viscous and midnight black. A nutty tan head dies down fast to a tiny ring and lacing is non-existent.

S- Rich cocoa powder and musty, raisin oxidation notes off the top together confirming that this will be a bold brew. Burnt caramelized sugars, heavily toasted nuts, bitter dark chocolate and smoke also come to mind.

T- For how big this beer is I have to say there just isn't much going on here that grasps my palate. One thing that is BIG is the dark fruits like raisin and dark grape off the top. Beyond that is a barrage of oxidation, dark cocoa, burnt toast, heavily caramelized sugars and molasses sweetness.

MF- Somewhat unsettling for me. After smelling and seeing it one would think it would be like a rich cream on the palate; it is not. Thin for the ABV, style and flavors presented with low end carbonation adding to the lack of oomph. Slightly warm so at least the ABV is not overpowering.

I will have to revisit this brew in the future but for me it is a letdown compared to some of the other inspiring, complex high ABV brews De Molen has pulled off. The body comes off as thin and undercuts the whole experience which really doesn't deliver many rich or interesting flavors to grasp onto. Drinks like a tired, old beer.

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