Moord & Doodslag (Disputin) | Brouwerij De Molen

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Moord & Doodslag (Disputin)Moord & Doodslag (Disputin)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen
Netherlands
brouwerijdemolen.nl

Style: Russian Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 10.70%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Formerly named "Rasputin," then labeled as "Disputin" due to a dispute with North Coast over the name. Also has been called "Cease & Desist".

Added by ChainGangGuy on 03-30-2008

BEER STATS
Ratings:
423
Reviews:
180
Avg:
3.88
pDev:
14.43%
 
 
Wants:
42
Gots:
104
For Trade:
6
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Photo of Sammy
3.7/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle courtesy of Jason, found at Julio's. Aroma of roast primarily, and malt. Black with big bubbly white head. Significant lace. A good above-average mouthfeel. Nice drinkability. This beer is a good product for the style, but it does have lots of competition these days and that is taken into account.

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Photo of acurtis
4/5  rDev +3.1%

Photo of Texasfan549
4.25/5  rDev +9.5%

Photo of kylehay2004
4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of GRG1313
3.15/5  rDev -18.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Photo of jaydoc
3.6/5  rDev -7.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of UCLABrewN84
4/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle pour at the bottle share hosted by Adam Fine Wine & Liquor held at Sophie’s Place in Redondo Beach, CA.

2011 vintage.

Pours a murky dark brown with a foamy dark khaki head that settles to a thin cap on top of the beer. Foamy streaks of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of dark roasted malt, coffee, cocoa, and some slight dark fruit aromas. Taste is much the same with a medium amount of roasty bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a good level of carbonation with a crisp mouthfeel. Overall, this is a good beer that is tasty and easy to drink.

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Photo of spycow
3.74/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Photo of StonedTrippin
3.94/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

just shared a bottle from 2008, listed at 10.7% abv. wow what a few years can do to a beer like this! it poured a weird looking yeast laden milky brown color with almost no head. not very appetizing at all in fact. the smell was nice though, lots of alcohol, wood, licorice, and dark roasty malts. flavor is rather mellow compared to the nose, probably a product of age. notes of bitter dark chocolate come through the very boozy nature of this one. feel is great, pure satin in the mouth. minimal carbonation at this point, but it still has a resonating sort of feel on the tongue. overall a really interesting stout, and one id like to try fresh next time for a comparison. i am sure the age has really altered the character of this beer, but it was certainly a treat.

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4/5  rDev +3.1%

Photo of nmann08
3.51/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Photo of oriolesfan4
4.1/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

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3.75/5  rDev -3.4%

Photo of metter98
3.79/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

A: The beer is close to being black in color - traces of red are visible near the sides of the glass when held up to a bright light. It poured with just a few large bubbles on the surface that faded away, leaving in thin collar of off white bubbles around the edge of the glass.
S: Aromas of dark malts as well as Belgian and earthy yeast are present in the nose.
T: The taste mostly follows the smell and has a light amount of bitterness along with lingering notes of roasted malts and unsweetened cocoa towards the finish.
M: It feels slightly more than medium-bodied on the palate and has a light to moderate amount of carbonation.
O: This beer isn't nearly as full-bodied compared to some other Russian Imperial Stouts but is quite drinkable because it masks all of the alcohol.

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Photo of BEERchitect
3.78/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A boldly flavored Stout with heavy sweetness to combat the roast and hop on slaught.

Disputin (as boasted by the lable) pours with a medium to dark brown color, much lighter than normally expected from these monsterous Stouts. Creamy head character carries a tan hue, forms in very sturdy fashion, retains very well, and leaves very deliberate rings of lace on the glass as the beer fades. A very impressive look.

Espresso, cocoa, and heavy cream fill the nose in moderate fashion but not strong. Earthy/grassy hops lurk behind the sweetness and roast. Not overly estery or yeasty, the beer's aroma stays on course with the display of coffee, chocolate, hops, and sweeter notes.

Flavors of heavy roast hit the tongue first but with a quick rebuttal of malty sweetness and perhaps milk sugars. These round out the harsher edges of roast and nearly over take the beer. The creamy-sweetness meets the grassy hops at mid palate in a somewhat unsettled way. Hop bitterness intensifies going into the finish, as well does the roasty/toasty/esprsso taste. An revisit of bittersweet cocoa and a grassy-hop bitterness give a long lasting impression in the aftertaste.

The assertive sweetness early on makes the beer feel much more weighted and nearly oily on the tongue and palate. But the thinning of 11% abv cuts through the sweetess and gives an impression of dryness and heat in the finish. The beer could be a bit astringent but is warded off by the milky sweetness.

Kinda what I expect from De Molen's Stouts- a reckless amount of black malt and unattenuated sweetness give a unique roasty/sugary interplay. And with the earthy hops surfacing from time to time for balance and intrigue.

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3.58/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

330ml bottle, 10.4% ABV, and again, good for 25 years - I like the optimism! And the fact that they can sell this product with the original name here in Canada, though the Yankee lienee's label is the more striking of the two.

This beer pours a clear, very dark amber-highlighted brown - black from afar, but far from black - with two fingers of puffy and creamy beige head, which displays some sturdy retention, dragging the lace down to a low ebbing shoreline detritus.

It smells of edgy, somewhat acidic black fruit, further boozy raisin, bittersweet chocolate, ash, a toasted toffee graininess, and musty, earthy hops. The taste is big, big, gritty chocolate malt, some adjoining sweet roasted grain, soused sour dark fleshy fruit, a bit of edgy, metallic alcohol, and bitter herbal, leafy hops.

The carbonation is low-lying, and just supportive, the body a hefty, but spry medium weight, and fairly smooth, with a touch of creaminess in amongst the remarkably restrained barbs of heat. It finishes quite sweet, the chocolate, fruit, and booze carrying the day in the face of that increasingly weird herbal hop character.

While there are some indicators that could recommend this as more than just an average RIS, there are more that point it towards generic (not a bad thing) strong ale territory. Not a bad big beer, just lacking the roasted fullness of the better examples of the genre. That, and those herbal notes really don't help the cause.

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Photo of kojevergas
3.47/5  rDev -10.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Bottle poured into La Chouffe tulip in Gouda, Holland. Reviewed live. Acquired at De Molen.

A: 1.5 finger head of nice cream and thickness, slight tan colour, and of good retention especially for the ABV. Solid black colour.

Sm: Cream, caramel, vanilla, and some chocolate notes. A mild strength scent, but an exciting one.

T: Lovely caramel and cream, with wonderful vanilla tones. The chocolate is buried alongside some toffee, and blossoms on the climax. Very complex and wonderfully built. Quite nicely balanced.

Mf: Smooth and wet, but thick enough to support the flavours.

Dr: High ABV is well concealed, fair price for the quality - which is high. Very drinkable and worth a try.

B / GOOD

***
(As "Rasputin")

04.03.2016: 2009 vintage 750ml bottle courtesy of the shopkeeper at Plan B Rotterdam. Thanks, man!

81.7 IBU. O.G. 1102. F.G. 1023. 464 bottles were in this batch. This is batch 0158. 10.7% ABV. Brewed on 30 June 2009, Bottled on 30 July 2009. Has a (heavily) waxed over hood-and-wire cap over a cork.

Cork flies out with force upon removal of the crown cap - my cork shot out and hit the ceiling! 7 years of age hasn't mellowed the carbonation one bit.

A: Head lasts less than 20 seconds, but was a pale khaki. Leaves no lacing as it recedes. Body is, predictably, an opaque black.

Looks average for a Russian Imperial Stout. Lacks any unique or special characteristics.

Sm: Licorice, maybe anise or fennel, caramel, dark bread, cocoa powder, dried prune, sugarcane, subtle rum-soaked (indistinct) fruit. Dark malts.

I detect no hop character whatsoever; any Premiant or Saaz hops have faded with age.

T: Suggestions of dark fruit (raisin chief amongst them, but prune trailing behind), dark malts, probably chocolate malts though it comes across as more of a cocoa powder character, licorice, sugarcane. Balanced but a bit shallow; it seems this beer's depth of flavour has taken a hit with the 7 years of age it has. It's certainly not the intricate robust brew you might expect given it's a Russian imperial stout.

Mf: Chewy and coarse on the palate, with subtle dryness. This mouthfeel accentuates the withered fruit character of the taste with its roughness on the palate and chewy raisin-like gooey texture. Full-bodied, though not as robust as many imperial stouts. Perhaps the mouthfeel has thinned out a bit with age. Carbonation is actually perfect, contrary to what the cork pop suggested.

O: Age has brought out more of the dark fruit, and intensified the raisin, making it dominate in the flavour profile. Any chocolate or vanilla character has really receded, though, so it's a trade-off. This vintage is a Russian imperial stout for the quadrupel lover, but honestly I prefer it fresh...and it might be ideal with 3-5 years of age on it rather than ~7 to balance out the malt sweetness and dry fruit notes.

B- / WORTHY

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Photo of oline73
4.15/5  rDev +7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I had this on-tap at Max's. Poured into a sample glass.

Appearance: Pours almost black with a little bit of fluffy off white head and some mild lacing.

Smell: Roast and dark chocolate/cocoa with a bit of dark fruit in the background.

Taste: The flavor of this one is remarkably smooth. The roasted malt and chocolate flavors mix together perfectly along with a sweetness that isn't overpowering. There are some mild dark fruit notes with a roasty finish.

Mouthfeel: The body is on the thick side of medium with tingly carbonation and a slick finish.

Overall: I thought this beer was very good, better than I expected. The alcohol was hardly noticeable at all. I'm glad I went with the sampler, because this one would have been way too easy to drink more.

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Photo of brentk56
4.27/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Bottle 206 of 524 (Brewed on 08 May 2008)

Appearance: Pours the color of black coffee, with a very modest head that fades to a ringlet; numerous squiggles of lacing drape the chalice

Smell: Chocolate covered raisins, Sherry, roast and Ethiopian Yirgacheffe coffee (blueberries)

Taste: Chocolate and blueberry forward, with Sherry and dark fruit elements building; some roasted tones develop, after the swallow, but the chocolate and fruit intermingle into the finish

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with low to moderate carbonation

Overall: Not many beers can hold up for eight years (although the bottle suggests this one can last 25) and I suspect that time has tempered the 10.7% ABV and modified the flavors somewhat; still, the fruity aspect here is something I really enjoy and is missing from so many domestically brewed Russian Imperial Stouts; I am giving this one high marks for bringing the fruit back into the flavor profile - I have been looking for this for a long time

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3.75/5  rDev -3.4%

Photo of Phyl21ca
4.23/5  rDev +9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle: Poured a deep black color ale with a super huge foamy dirty brown head with great retention and very good lacing. Aroma is nice mix of lightly sweet black chocolate with some hints of fry coffee and well balance roasted malt. Taste is also a very well balance mix between some black chocolate, dry coffee and lightly bitter roasted malt with a good dose of sweetness. Hops don't play a huge role here and it is just perfect the way it is. Body is not totally full for the style with some great carbonation and no sign of the alcohol. Very well done and I still don't understand what this is not rated higher.

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4/5  rDev +3.1%

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4/5  rDev +3.1%

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4/5  rDev +3.1%

Photo of Thorpe429
3.8/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at Churchkey. Reviewed from notes.

Pours near black and is quite opaque. A bit thick, but not too far toward motor oil. Nose brings forward sweet malt, chocolate, roast, and a bit of vanilla. The taste is roasted malt, chocolate, vanilla, coffee, and some residual sweetness. Fairly thick mouthfeel with good drinkability all around. A nice take on the style.

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