Moord & Doodslag - Disputin | Brouwerij De Molen

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Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen

Style: Russian Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 10.70%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Formerly named "Rasputin," then labeled as "Disputin" due to a dispute with North Coast over the name. Also has been called "Cease & Desist".

User Reviews & Ratings
Reviews: 196 | Ratings: 453
Photo of stortore
3.79/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

11.2 ounce bottle into a snifter, bottled 12/4/14.

Pours dark and fairly opaque, no head, no lacing. Smell is of roasted malts, kind of metallic, some cocoa, some coffee. This has an odd aroma, it mostly reminds me of liver sausage, which I love, just not in my beer. Taste also leads with roasted malts, cocoa, vanilla, some coffee, raisins, some plums. Smooth, lower level of carbonation, a touch thin.

This is okay. Tastes pretty good, smells like garbage. Price point is high for what you get.

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Photo of dbrauneis
3.98/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Note: Bottled 26 AUG 2014

A: Pours a clear yet still opaque jet black in color with light to moderate amounts of gentle visible carbonation along the edges of the glass and moderate amounts of dark cola brown and garnet red highlights. The beer has a quarter finger tall sudsy tan head that reduces to a medium sized patch of thin film and a thin ring at the edges of the glass. Moderate amounts of lacing are observed.

S: Moderate to strong aromas of dark malts, roasted malts, dark chocolate, coffee, and dark fruits (plum + fig). Light hints of Belgian yeast.

T: Upfront there are moderate to strong flavors of dark malts and moderate flavors of roasted malts with a moderate amount of dark fruit (plum and fig) sweetness. That is followed by moderate flavors of coffee and unsweetened dark chocolate. Finally there is a light flavor of Belgian yeast in the finish.

M: Medium to heavy bodied with light to moderate amounts of carbonation.

O: Lighter in body than a lot of other RIS beers but perhaps a little easier drinking as a result of the that and the well hidden alcohol. Very enjoyable and a nice example of the flavors of the style.

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Photo of cbutova
2.97/5  rDev -23.8%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

03/28/2014 bottle thanks to ROBDMP. Approaching my 2000th review and this has been sitting in the fridge for a long time. If anything, a De Molen brew is always interesting at least and usually a fun experience in very big beer.

A- Opens with a faint hiss from the classic black and white labeled bottle and pours into my snifter like oil, somewhat viscous and midnight black. A nutty tan head dies down fast to a tiny ring and lacing is non-existent.

S- Rich cocoa powder and musty, raisin oxidation notes off the top together confirming that this will be a bold brew. Burnt caramelized sugars, heavily toasted nuts, bitter dark chocolate and smoke also come to mind.

T- For how big this beer is I have to say there just isn't much going on here that grasps my palate. One thing that is BIG is the dark fruits like raisin and dark grape off the top. Beyond that is a barrage of oxidation, dark cocoa, burnt toast, heavily caramelized sugars and molasses sweetness.

MF- Somewhat unsettling for me. After smelling and seeing it one would think it would be like a rich cream on the palate; it is not. Thin for the ABV, style and flavors presented with low end carbonation adding to the lack of oomph. Slightly warm so at least the ABV is not overpowering.

I will have to revisit this brew in the future but for me it is a letdown compared to some of the other inspiring, complex high ABV brews De Molen has pulled off. The body comes off as thin and undercuts the whole experience which really doesn't deliver many rich or interesting flavors to grasp onto. Drinks like a tired, old beer.

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Photo of AlarmClock314
3.9/5  rDev 0%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

11.2oz bottle, dated 8/27/14. Pours black with a small sized dark tan head. Smells of dark fruit and roasted malts. Taste follows almost exactly with some added coffee notes and char. Medium body and some prickly carbonation. The strong dark fruit flavors kind of reminded me of a quad. Brouwerij has better RIS's.

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Photo of flyingpig
3.96/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

250ml on-tap from Arendsnest Proeflokaal, Amsterdam (€6.00):
I felt like I rushed through this one a little and should have taken a touch more time to fully appreciate it but it was such a strong beer with a huge kick at the end so it wasn't like I downed it in one. The beer was quite a sweet one throughout with a nice chocolate malt flavour that had an excellent balance and went down surprisingly easy for such a strong beer, excellent stuff and definitely one worth trying.

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Photo of Tom_Gilman
2.87/5  rDev -26.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Served on draft in chalice. Only the color and ABV representative of the style. Tastes like a concentrated Doppelbock with a bit of acid tanginess. Plum, raisin, tamarind flavors and overwhelming malt sweetness. A boozy mess with no balance or finesse.

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Photo of mverity
3.09/5  rDev -20.8%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3

Deep, watery chocolate brown with the thinnest tan head that faded immediately. No lacing, no legs. Aroma is deeply roasted malt, dark chocolate, and some slightly burnt molasses. Taste was much like the aroma: almost a mix between an English stout and a bad barleywine. Mouthfeel is very thin. Light body and low carbonation.

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Photo of interzen
3.58/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

330ml bottle poured into a tulip glass - 'Rasputin' label in the newer De Molen style, ABV listed as 10.4%

Look: Very dark, opaque black - absolutely nothing if you hold it up to the light. Khaki/tan head which disappears fairly quickly to leave a foam ring round the edge of the glass a diffuse cap.

Smell: Has a bit of a 'liquid Christmas cake' vibe going on - roasted malt, plums, dark fruit and molasses, plus a wee hint of alcohol. All in all, it smells fairly inocuous.

Taste: Ah, now I know where the alcohol is - as you'd expect from a Russian Imperial there's a lot of malt action going on here, coupled with suitably 'dark' flavours like roasted grains and chocolate, but there's also a fairly in-yer-face alcoholicness too, which came as a bit of a surprise.

Feel: Not too heavy, given the double figure ABV, but that booziness just kills it for me - tone that down a bit and you'd have a smooth drinking, if slightly heavy, imperial stout. As it stands, it feels like incredibly bad tramp juice. With added malt. Disappointing.

Overall: De Molen have struck out with this one - whilst it wasn't in drain pour territory by a long shot, the fact remains that as Russian Imperial Stouts go this one is a bit, shall we say, crap. The flavour profile is actually pretty good, but the excessive booziness really spoils it for me. I got this as part of a 'random case' from one of my usual suppliers - just as well, since I'd feel pretty aggrieved if I knowingly bought it. Not good.

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Photo of DoctorZombies
4.45/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Black pour with almost non existent khaki head, from 11.2oz bottle into my SAPP; sweet plum, chocolate and caramel aromas; chocolate malt and rum soaked prunes up front; medium mouthfeel with good tongue coating; plum and raison flavors with chocolate malt behind as it warms up; alcohol well hidden; overall, tasty and satisfying.

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Photo of changdulla
2.72/5  rDev -30.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75

What disgusting bottle of dogshit. This is one of the most disappointing beer I've ever had. It taste old and stale to me. Lots of nasty floaties that I'm not used to in a stout. Drain pour.

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Photo of MarcWP
2.98/5  rDev -23.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 2.75

2012 vintage.

Dark brown with small head.

I usually give a decent length review but this beer isn't even worth it. A $10 12 ounce bottle of sweet malt with little roast or hops to help balance this beer. Another huge reason I avoid over priced imports like this. De Molen is rarely up to par on quality for the price of their beers. Not recommended.

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Photo of babaracas
3.92/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Cease and Desist label. 10.4%. Pours a very dark clear brown, barely any head, no lace though a little bit of glass staining is nice. Smell: plum, cake batter, a little caramely and roasty espresso. Taste: juicy plum, brownie, dark brown sugar, raisin, finish is earthy. Body is quite a bit lighter than expected, especially compared to their other imperial stouts and porters, but otherwise nice.

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Photo of Chico1985
3.63/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Cease & Desist AKA Disputin AKA Rasputin AKA Yet Another Sketchy De Molen Imperial Stout. Bottle date is 3/28/14, ABV listed as 10.4%.

A - The pour is pitch black, there's no disputing that. Only a thin tan ring forms, the head sadly ceases to exist (not that I was expecting one).

S - Surprisingly faint, but pretty good. Dutch chocolate brownie, roast, some caramel, cream, dark fruit, herbal tones.

T - Chocolate, molasses and cream are at the forefront, some roast backing it up but definitely leans more towards the sweet side of things. Dark fruit and strong herbal hops as well.

M - Gotta hand it to De Molen - they sure know how to conceal that alcohol, only minor heat here. Very lightly carbonated and a somewhat watery body for the style. High sweetness but not quite cloying, pretty drinkable overall.

O - Nice flavors overall but definitely not their best stout. As usual lacking a good mouthfeel/decent carbonation, but also as usual very drinkable for 10+%. The big herbal presence clashes here a little bit.

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Photo of rudzud
2.19/5  rDev -43.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.75 | overall: 2

Picked this up at Julio's years ago and shared at a party at JLindros's place. Poured into a Kate the Great snifter. Reviewed from notes. 2009 Vintage

A - Poured a dark dark oily brown with a thin wispy head that fades very quickly to leave next to nothing.

S - Aromas of big, bold oxidation. Chocolate covered raisins, cardboard. Quite disappointing.

T - Taste is old, tired malts, oxidation, chocolate, vanilla, cardboard, chalk. Oof.

M - Mouthfeel is super thin and oily. Incredibly unpleasant and boozy.

O - Overall, I think I waited a year or two too long on this bottle. Big letdown.

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Photo of UrbanCaveman
3.95/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

11.2 oz bottle, poured into a snifter at approximately 65 degrees F.

A: Pours a dark brown with black highlights, unlike the black with dark brown highlights seen in some other RIS beers. Formed almost no head at all, and what did form died into a pale tan ring in short order. Lacing was not present whatsoever, save for a small patch here and there that slid back down into the brew.

S: I actually got hints of the smell from arm's length away during the pour. Boozy sweet molasses with toffee and plums are the order of the day, with bits of chocolate and maple (wood and syrup).

T: Sweet and boozy indeed, drinking like a Scotch and Coke. Plums and cherries come swirling out of the darkness, astride molasses and toffee steeds with saddles of maple wood. The sweetness takes over until the finish, which is a brief burst of earthen-wooden bitterness before fading into a lingering plummy-molasses sweetness. The alcohol heat seems confined to the front of the taste, as opposed to showing at the finish.

M: Creamy, is the best word I can think of here. It isn't particularly thick, but smooth, and feels as though one can "fold" it briefly with the tongue without quite being chewy.

O: While I enjoy the sweetness and the relative paucity of hops, I do not enjoy this one quite so much as its fellow RIS in the naming dispute. If I were to seek out another sweet, plummy RIS experience, I'd likely go with the Mikkeller Black Hole.

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Photo of Liquid_Bread
4.25/5  rDev +9%

On tap at Monk's Cafe in Philadelphia, this is a thick and delicious stout, closer to Hunahpu than most things I've tasted. Definitely worth it for all stout lovers.

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Photo of Beersnake1
4.03/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured from fridge temp. Pours jet black with almost no head. Nose is chocolate, roasted malts, dark fruit, and caramel. Taste follows the nose, but with a burnt bitterness upfront. Lots of coffee, tobacco, chocolate, licorice, and some dark fruit. Mouthfeel is thick and creamy - nicely coats the mouth. Overall, a really nice stout.

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Photo of dgilks
3.92/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pitch black with a big, fluffy tan head. Great head retention.

Sweet and almost citrussy. Touches of chocolate and alcohol. Plenty of hop character.

Sharply hoppy stout. There is a rich alcohol character sitting under the malt with chocolate and light roast following. Citrussy hops back it up. The fruitiness really works well.

Medium-full body with moderate carbonation. Really good.

A solid beer. Great flavour and all round performer.

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Photo of beerdrifter
3.29/5  rDev -15.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3.25

Picked this up at the beer store at Brouwerij De Molen with a bottling date of 27 July 2011. Dark brown, nearly black pour with a two finger caramel colored head with decent retention and lacing. The nose is much sweeter than expected with not a lot of roast or chocolate, hints of caramel, toffee, and brown sugar. The taste follows suit. Way sweeter than the typical De Molen offerings with hints of vanilla, molasses, toasted malt, dark fruit, and a touch of coffee. The body is very thin and somewhat syrupy and cloying with minimal carbonation. Overall, the most disappointing offering I've ever had from De Molen. Very hard to drink due to the syrupy sweetness.

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Photo of SStein
3.34/5  rDev -14.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Pours a nice dark, deep brown with slight khaki lacing, which disappears quickly. There is very little carbonation. The nose is of coffee and wheat. The wheat reminds me of Fat Tire. The taste is slightly of coffee, mixed with a sour wheat taste. As I drink it, it is very thin, much thinner than I prefer for this style. As a RIS I find this beer lacking, as a dark wheat beer, it's not too bad.

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Photo of charlzm
2.98/5  rDev -23.6%
look: 3.25 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3

Consumed January 27th 2014 from an 11.2 oz capped bottle labeled "13 /09/12". Beer label is Cease & Desist, not Disputin. Poured into a Klokke Roeland goblet.

The beer is much lighter than expected for a Russian Imperial Stout: more deep brown than the standard black. A 3 finger tan head sits atop the beer at first pour, but soon settles down to a mere thin skin of foam. No sheeting that sticks longer than a few moments.

Aroma is strange for an RIS, too; instead of the usual aromas, this has a bit of a metallic scent complemented by a sweet malt note. No sign of the usual coffee or chocolate.

Flavor has an unfortunate sour, metallic note. Some darkly roasted malt is apparent in the flavor; probably the chocolate malt. Somewhat acidic. Finish is slightly warming and moderately bitter. Did they use champagne yeast to ferment this?

A little bit thick (emphasis on little) and certainly warming in the mouth.

I have home brewed an Imperial Stout that was as good as this one and that is not bragging. Maybe the 16 month age was more than this brew could stand?

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Photo of BierJager89
4.39/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

A: Dark brown with lots of mocha foam.

S: Roasted malt, coffee, brown sugar, sweet molasses and chocolate in the nose.

T: Dark chocolate, coffee, molasses and roasted malt.

M: Full bodied and smoothish.

O: Not as good as Hel & Verdoemenis, but a damn good example of the style.

Note: I don't think this beer is called Disputin any more. My bottle said Cease & Desist.

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Photo of LiquidAmber
3.74/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Poured into a Reuben's Brew snifter. Pours pitch black with little signs of carbonation in the pour, but resulting in a thin light brown film and ring around the glass that leaves light lacing. Light aroma of sweet toasted malt, vanilla and chocolate. Flavor is heavy toasted malt, molasses, dark dried fruit, a hint of coffee. Finishes with charred malt and bittering hops, slightly astringent. Medium bodied with a mild creaminess, faint carbonation. A dark flavored stout, leaning towards blackstrap molasses and charred, toasted malt. The flavors are dense, but not that complex or balanced. The finish is a bit stark. This is an interesting and rich stout, but left me wishing for a bit more balance. Worth a try, but not remarkable. The char and bitterness in the finish was a bit offputting at first, but grew on me as I drank the glass.

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Photo of MaximalC
3.58/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

*Brewed 9-13-12*

Pours a peculiar murky brown color, like copious amounts of dirt in suspension, with burnt orange highlights. There is no head to speak of. I would not have pegged this for a stout based on its appearance. The aroma, sniffed directly from the bottle before pouring, is amazing--blackberry, cherry, currants, molasses, and pie crust come to mind.

The taste features the same tart, dark fruits described above, with cherry being the primary contributor. The sour aspect leans toward apple cider vinegar as it warms. A caramel-like sweetness contrasts with the tartness of the cherry. Alcohol is well concealed, with only a tasteful amount of warming coming through in the finish. The mouthfeel is peculiar as well, with a heterogeneous texture akin to miso broth. It's difficult to describe, but it's almost as if the beer is more substantive upon first imbibing, and then "melts" in your mouth (if such a thing can be said of a liquid).

Overall, this is one of the most unusual beers I've ever tried. It looks and tastes NOTHING like an imperial stout. If someone told me they slapped the wrong label on it, I wouldn't be surprised in the least. Unusual mouthfeel aside, it comes off as something in between a sour ale and a quad--a real headscratcher.

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Photo of hoegaardenhero
2.76/5  rDev -29.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2

a: this beer pours a very deep red/brown with very notable red highlights. no head, just a ring of light bubbles around the top of the glass.

s: sweet and raisiny; stings the back of the nostrils with alcohol; prunes; very mild sweet chocolate; maybe a little bit of vanilla; actually quite nice and strong sweet blend of dark fruits, chocolate, and booze;

t: very tangy/sharp/sour and maybe a little fungal? i get some raisiny sweetness but almost no coffee or chocolate flavors/may be an off bottle?

m: tight refined bubbles, which i am enjoying and keeps it from bing too cloying for the style; pretty light body for the style, which i am kind of digging -

d: this is a really disappointing beer to me - taste is strange and not at all balanced. i actually ended up pouring the last half down the drain, which i almost never do b/c i am a cheap bastard.

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Moord & Doodslag - Disputin from Brouwerij De Molen
Beer rating: 3.9 out of 5 with 453 ratings