Pek & Veren | Brouwerij De Molen

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Pek & VerenPek & Veren

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen

Style: Foreign / Export Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Rotating

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Reviews: 28 | Ratings: 44
Photo of GreesyFizeek
3.67/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

This pours a solid and glossy dark brown, murky and opaque, with no head, and no lacing.

Smells like smoke, booze-soaked raisins, peat, toffee, cocoa powder, and leafy hops.

This has a super watery finish- it finishes quite flat. This is probably a product of the beer's age. The flavors are nice though- there's a nice fruity and smoky flavor to it, with peat, dark fruit, tobacco. It just feels old and over the hill, unfortunately.

This is medium bodied, with a definite lack of carbonation. It's not entirely still, but close.

I could tell this was great a while ago. As it is now, it's just interesting, but flawed.

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Photo of StonedTrippin
3.99/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

awesome beer, awesome brewery, and although its expensive, i believe it to be worth the money. those expecting an american stout, are in for a rude awakening, this is something entirely different, almost a scotch ale meets a stout, with a peaty sort of base, definitely some terroir on this, briny almost in the nose, and rich but not at all sweet. there is a real character to the beers these guys make, all of them so interesting and different, not really fitting neatly into conventional style guidelines at all, but still satisfying the basics for me. i love this, its as much a brown ale as a stout in many ways, as much cocoa character as roast, minimal bitterness, and a lightness shocking for both its depth of flavor and for its alcohol content. earthy, touch of smoke maybe, bakers chocolate minus the bitter, and layered in a new way with the grain flavors. it feels light, easy drinking for what it is, not all that stout-like for me, but it has so many cool features in feel, soft and yeasty in a good way, just awesome. surprised to see this rated so low, i can only accept that if the price is influencing peoples scores negatively. not often i buy an 18 dollar bottle, but in this case, for me, it was worth it all the way.

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Photo of Dope
3.58/5  rDev -0.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

No bottle date but guessing this is a couple years old (last review was almost a year ago).

A: Pours a dark brown. Decent sized and fizzy medium brown head. Head fades somewhat quickly with no lacing, but has great retention.

S: Mild mellow chocolate. When swirled I get a smoky umami with it as well.

T: A bit of dark chocolate with lots of umami. VERY meaty. Smoke joins it along with a touch of soy sauce. Flavors are pretty mellow and smooth. A bit bitter and acrid in the finish from the smoke and bitter baker's chocolate.

M: Medium bodied, smooth.

O: Not a bad FES. Smooth, mellow and easy drinking. Lots of smoke and umami though which really isn't my thing. Just too savory. Flavors are decent and balanced at least, I think my personal bias is mainly the problem here. Decent beer.

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Photo of Flounder57
3.65/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750 ml bottle was poured into an imperial pint glass. Thanks once again to Gordon's on this score of a beer.

Appearance: this beer poured a two finger mocha head that has reduced to a thin layer. It is a pitch black beer with no visions of carbonation coming up through the glass.

Smell: roastiness, chocolate mocha, some booziness, molasses, and some fruitiness to the beer.

Taste: all of the above plus smoke and some bitterness.

Mouthfeel: dry, full bodied, medium to high carbonation, a little bitterness, and slightly smooth.

Overall: not bad for a foreign extra stout, it got better with warming up to room temperature, but flavors could be blended better and the aftertaste took a little bit adjusting to.

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Photo of twiggamortis420
3.75/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

750 mL bottle courtesy of Auslander pours a foggy, dark brown color with a small cap of tan head.

Nose is interesting...TONS of bruised, dark fruit, black licorice, molasses and brown sugar. Wife thinks it smells smoky, hmmm…maybe some smoke aromas do creep in there a little.

Smooth, rich and velvety with lots of yeasty plums and figs. Touch of sweetness offsets the fruit nicely. The malts show some light roast and maybe some molasses. This is a nice middle ground stout...somewhere in between a Foreign Export Stout and a Belgian Stout. Has an odd little earthy, mushroom presence as it warms. Definitely worth a try based on uniqueness alone, not to mention it is pretty tasty!

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Photo of pants678
3.8/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours black with a brown head that's frothy and dense.

Molasses sticks out for the nose as well as caramel, sweet malts that are lightly spiced.

There's a tinge of smoke, notes of cherry and chocolate that tip-toe around a creamy coffee. Pek & Veren is earthy, complex with maple and toffee, some whiskey gives it a bite as opposed to sharp hops.

Not your usual stout in terms of texture as it lends it self more to a soda. Surgary/sour is welcome to break up this potent brew.

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Photo of bluejacket74
3.38/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750 ml caged and corked bottle. Served in a pint glass, the beer pours dark brown with about an inch and half frothy tan head. The head stays around a while, and there's a small amount of lacing. Aroma is kinda weak, the brew smells like dark fruit, molasses, chocolate, and a bit of smoke and coffee. The taste is similar to the aroma, it tastes like dark fruit (plums, red grapes, somewhat tart berries), chocolate, roasted malt and some smoke. Mouthfeel/body is medium, it's a bit creamy with moderate carbonation. I think it's an OK beer, but there really isn't anything about it that stands out or would make me want to buy this again.

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Photo of rhoadsrage
4.32/5  rDev +20%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(Served in a tulip glass)

A- This beer pours a jet black body with a faint thin glow of brown at the base of the glass. There is a thick bubbly tan head that turns to a sticky film and it is a bit too dense to see any carbonation.

S- The dark cherry notes and root cellar hint turns to more of a red wine tannin as the beer opens and a smooth black roasted malt aroma lingers.

T- The roasted black malt is a mellow blend with some flanders red cherry notes and a red wine tannin tartness that surrounds it. There is a chocolate richness that comes through and an earthiness to the dark roasted malt but never a bitterness.

M- The medium mouthfeel has no alcohol heat but does have a gentle fizz. There is no astringency or alcohol noticed.

O- This beer has a nice earthy flanders red quality with some nice dark stout characteristics for support. The tartness grows but the malt flavors still stay pretty subtle then the bitterness grows a bit in the finish. This beer paired pretty nicely with a mild white goat cheese.

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Photo of pokesbeerdude
3.42/5  rDev -5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

750ml C&C bottle from Wilbur's in Ft. Collins, CO. Around $12. Into an old school NB Globe.

A: Pours a nice dark brown with a light tan colored head that an aggressive pour barely coaxed a quarter of an inch, quickly recedes to an island of bubbles in the center and a tan ring around the edges. A fairly dark beer, but a lot more towards the brown end of the spectrum.

S: Lots of toffee and brown sugar notes, some over ripened dark fruits, and a decent amount of chocolate as well. Caramel notes are way in the back but mix nicely. Smells like a malt bomb.

T: Not at all what I had expected from the nose. Dark fruits really dominate the flavor profile, pretty nice plum profile, some ashy burnt malt flavors linger on the end of the swallow. Its definitely an interesting beer, but not exactly what I had expected. I guess not having the huge toffee flavor and general huge malt profile that I smelled is disappointing. Seems watery. Faint bit of bitterness on the end.

M: Um...way off. This is way too thin and incredibly overcarbonated as well. Prickly on the tongue. Slight bit of boozey warmth. Unfortunately watery really comes to mind here.

O: Meh, for the price there are much better examples of an export stout, this just falls short in a lot of places. The mouthfeel and overall flavor of this beer just don't do much for me. Not offensive, but certainly not great.

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Photo of mdfb79
3.16/5  rDev -12.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

From 04/09/11. Got this bottle from ShogoKawada in the Birthday BIF; thanks Phil, always down to try a new De Molen beer.

a - Pours a dark brown color with one inch of white head and moderate carbonation evident.

s - Smells of chocolate, roasted malts, sweet and a bit of spice.

t - Tastes of sweet chocolate, roasted malts, spices, and sweet fruit. A little too sweet for me.

m - Medium body and moderate carbonation.

o - Overall, an interesting stout from De Molen, but a bit too sweet for me. Glad to have tried it but wouldn't seek it out again.

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Photo of burnheartsMKE
3.46/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured dark into a tulip. A big bubbly head followed a wisp of smoke once the cork was popped.

On the nose I get some bitter chocolate and a touch of candied melon.

On the tongue I get a higher than expected mineral-salt count (a tad salty), some molasses and a bit of a dry dustiness. My friend adds, "It's kinda gamey"; wild & savory, probably from the all too-subtle peat smoked malts (I wish they dominated a bit more). As it warms a strange faux-dessert flavor asserts itself kinda like a soy-chocolate ice-cream, weird.

Overall, drinkable, but not my favorite. I think I'm starting to understand De Molen stouts and look forward to trying more of them.

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Photo of metter98
3.65/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: The beer is jet black in color and poured with a finger high beige head that quickly dissipated and left lacy patterns of bubbles on the surface.
S: There are light aromas of roasted malts in the nose that intensify as the beer warms up.
T: Flavors of roasted malts dominate the taste; no malt backbone or hop bitterness are evident. There are some notes of smoke.
M: It feels light-bodied and a bit creamy on the palate with a light to moderate amount of carbonation. There is some dryness throughout the initial taste and finish.
D: The alcohol is well hidden from both the smell and taste. I could easily drink more than one of these in a night because it's not very filling.

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Photo of BEERchitect
3.16/5  rDev -12.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3

Fruity and smokey, this beer has much different flavors and aromas that are normally expected in Export Stouts.

The pour has a viscous and dark, dark brown color that releases a medium tan and froathy head that rises quite quickly- nearly overtaking the glass before settling into a thick and even blanket across the beer. Good lacing all the while.

Black licorice and red grape aromas give the first impressions while burnt grains, rich malt, and smoke rise in complexity and entertain the senses.

Roasty flavors and smoke gives a bold campfire impression, not too dissimilar to smokes meats. Estery grape, currant, berries, dates, and figs add complexity and nearly overtake the flavors. The balance of the beer doesn't give the roasty-malty-rich flavors in the same way we're used to.

Froathy and creamy early, the beer makes a quick transition to a light, dare I say thin or watery, body that seemingly falls off of the clift. Leaving a flat cola-like taste in the end.

Some of the fruity and smokey characteristics are nice, but if they were kept in check by the roast and malt, this would have been a good beer. But in the end, the water chemistry and balance makes the beer unrecognizable for the style.

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Photo of NewGeneric
3.92/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a tumbler glass.

A: Pours a clear, dark burgundy color with 2 fingers of taupe head that fade medium-quick leaving a decent layer floating and little to no lacing. Ruby highlights around the edges.

S: Smells of chocolate, plums, and a little bit of coffee. Little to no alcohol or hops present.

T: In contrast to the smell, this is quite roasty, with plenty of chocolate shining through. Fruit presence is actually fairly muted.

M: Very smooth, other than the introductory bitter kick. Nice.

D: Pretty good export stout. I could (and will) easily polish off a full 750ml bottle. Thanks De Molen.

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Photo of drpimento
2.29/5  rDev -36.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 4 | overall: 2

Huge bummer. Could tell it woulda been much better before it turned. Cork popped with a nice crisp burp. Poured a decent tan head. color was a hazy brown. Aroma was malty roasty and fruity but dominated by sour. Sour with the first thing noticed in taste, then the other components came out. Body was good and so was carbonation. Finish was like flavor and not so good.

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Photo of albern
4.05/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

If nothing else, this is one of the most complex stouts that I've had. It pours a slightly matte mahogany brown with a smallish tan head, a bit creamy, no lacing. The nose has lots of Baltic Porter written all over it, lots of woody qualities, some ABV in the character of some booze soaked caramels.

The taste won't disappoint. There is a slightly fizzy, slightly tingly quality to this beer on the tongue that makes it very unique. The beer has an unmistakeably smoked, woody, and slighty charred quality to it. There are chocolates, some Baltic Porter charred ABV brown sugar qualities, there are caramels in here, some roasted notes, but the smoked and woody assertiveness really define this beer. The booze soaked caramels are not as present as the nose would have you think. There is a definite ABV presence towards the finish, and some sweeter flavors underneath all that smokey, woody maltiness. The tingly feel on the mouth keeps this beer from being overly smooth. There is also a slightly burnt brown sugar quality to this beer as well. This is a complex stout if there ever was one. Worth seeking out on that basis alone.

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Photo of Cyberkedi
4.25/5  rDev +18.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours an opaque chocolaty brown with a decent pale beige head. Aroma is strong and smoky with a firm overtone of sweet chocolate. Rich and somewhat sweet flavor is smoky and chocolaty, and has hints of toffee and caramel. Texture is very smooth and pleasantly tingly. A good one!

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Photo of nickd717
3.88/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

330ml bottle via trade thanks to bierkoning.

Pours dark brown with a creamy tan head and very good lacing.

Aroma is roasty and smoky, with the smoke way more restrained than in Bloed, Zweet, and Tranen. A slight hint of plastic in there that I get in a lot of smoked beers.

Flavor is roasted malt, mild smoke, chocolate, and earth. A tiny hint of band-aid/phenols detracts ever so slightly, but this is still a great-tasting beer.

Medium-full bodied with a very smooth mouthfeel and soft carbonation.

Drinkability is high. Overall, another really good beer from De Molen.

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Photo of Bung
2.94/5  rDev -18.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

750ml. Pours a brown with substantial dark cream head. A good 3 fingers that stick to the side quite well. Body darkens up a bit after it settles down.
Aroma has quite a bit of fruit, like a glass of merlot that has been sitting out for 8 hours. Some limited roast and chocolate to accompany the sour grapes.
Taste has a little funk, then it smoothes out a bit into some molasses, nut and toasted malt. Finishes a bit blah some dark chocolate and coffee, but chalky and cardboard like as well. Foreign, but not sure about stout.
Has a nice creamy mouthfeel, but is a bit thin. Drinkability is fine, with the light nature, but the aroma and average flavors make this a one and done. Certainly not worth the cost.

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Photo of nick76
2.72/5  rDev -24.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

The aroma is smokey and toasted with chocolate and metal. The appearance is brown with a foamy head. The flavor is like the aroma but not that good. The palate is thin. Overall this is not that good. I would not get it again since there just isn't that much here to like.

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Photo of ccrida
3.18/5  rDev -11.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

750ml bottle, cork dated 2007, I've probably cellared for 6 months or so since it first hit town. Poured into an impy pint, Pek & Veren is a very noisey pour, sounding like coca cola it was so crackly, very similar appearance as well, dark brown with a big tan head, lots of different sized bubbles, leaves decent lace, thick collar, long lasting skim.

Smell is kinda of a waxy plastic and powdered milk mix, a bit of caramel sweetness. A bit of chocolate comes out as it warms, it opens up a bit, but the taste never follows.

Taste is primarily a phenolic plastic, withh the cleaner yet strong alcohol also a rather dominant flavor. Really not getting the smoke the other reviews mentioned, there is a generic roasty astringency, but it's strikes me more as black patent then smoked malt. Eh.

Mouthfeel is has a carbonated snap to it, medium light body, maybe a little thin.

Drinkability is okay. I've 4 other De Molen beers, and save for the SSS (which happened to be the an export stout as well, sweeter and stronger but similar), I was really very impressed, and had high hopes here. But Pek & Veren really didn't do anything for me...cost and rarity with a taste that's nothing special, it's average at best.

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Photo of Sammy
3.89/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A lighter than expected brown colour. Coffee aroma, absolute minimal head. More smoke than coffee, smooth drinking. Roasted barley more than regular coffee.Significant caramel. Hoppy bitterness in finish.Average mouthfeel, prickly understated carbonation.

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Photo of Gueuzedude
4/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2007 Cork Date; Sampled September 2008
A soft pour into my 25cl tulip glass still produces a three finger thick, dark beige / tan colored head that is pretty creamy in consistency. The beer is an almost black color, but shows a brilliantly clear, ruby color when held up to the light. The aroma is full of roast coffee notes that take on a sharp, burnt note towards the finish. Dark chocolate notes are noticeable at times, almost more when you are far away from the glass as the burnt / roast grain notes really seem to dominate the aroma. As my nose gets used to it, the aroma begins to take on a significant, though somehow thin, note of roasted prune juice. There is a touch of earthy saltiness & a hint of peat smoke that only becomes noticeable if you really dig for it. An interesting aroma, that has some real potential if the up front roast character was not so dominant this would have a really complex nose. Though as the beer warms up the roast character in the aroma becomes considerably more balanced and tame.

Soft and creamy feeling with a light, prickly carbonation. This definitely has a salty, peat-smoke flavor to it that sort of creeps up on you through the sip and really becomes noticeable in the finish as it lingers lightly on the palate. This has a fruitiness to it in the flavor as well with notes of prunes and even some caramelized, dried fig being lightly noticeable in the background. Up front there is a fair amount of roast character that provides flavors of a city roast coffee, blackened fruit notes, some burnt acrid / acid notes (that don't become too pronounced) and some dusty dark cocoa flavors. as the beer warms up the fruitiness becomes more apparent as does a subtle, but significant chocolate character.

I really like the peat-smoke dimension that this beer has, it really helps to tame the roast character in the flavor and makes for an all around, much more balanced beer. Plus the peat-smoke is kept at a reasonable level, so that it is just a supporting component rather than overwhelming / dominating this Stout. This is definitely enjoyable and I am having no problems finishing this 750ml bottle, though it did take me almost two and a half hours.

Purchased: Liquor Max, Loveland CO

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Photo of TKempe
3.87/5  rDev +7.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Very dark-brown appearance with some reddish tones. A beige, frail head disperses fast.

Aroma is that of roasted malts (having some coffee and chocolate accents), with a little smokiness from the peated malt added to it. It is also a little fruity.

Flavors range from a slightly cloying sweetness to a hoppy after-taste and a salty, liquorice-like flavor. The taste as a whole develops itself very gradual and slow -- quite nice!

Mouthfeel is soft and sparkling and medium-bodied.

This is a nice stout with an exciting smokey touch. Surely one of the better beers from The Netherlands that I've tasted.

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Photo of brewcrew76
3.6/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

A - Pours deep brown with black and ruby highlights. A thin tan head fades to a ring of foam with oil slick like patches of lace floating in the middle.

S - Dark fruits, raisins, prunes, licorice, roasted malt, sweet chocolate and a touch of smoke.

T - Starts with a slight smoked malt flavor that builds as it warms. Some coffee and roasted malt are also present but this is pretty much a smoked stout.

M - Medium body with lively carbonation and a linger smokiness on the tongue.

D - Alcohol is well hidden. Not the smokiest beer I have had but I was surprised by the amount of smoke. Not being a big fan of smoked beers makes this one tough to drink by yourself.

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