Donder & Bliksem (US 8.2 % Version) | Brouwerij De Molen

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Donder & Bliksem (US 8.2 % Version)Donder & Bliksem (US 8.2 % Version)

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen

Style: Dubbel

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.20%

Availability: Rotating

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Added by ccrida on 06-28-2008

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Ratings: 46 |  Reviews: 22
Reviews by Patrick999:
Photo of Patrick999
4.25/5  rDev +13%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Well, this is quite the interesting beast. I was hoping my cork would offer some clue as to how old this bottle is, but there was nothing to be found etched on the cork when I pulled it. It has to be either 2007 or 2008, I think.

Poured into a Westmalle chalice, the limp, slightly murky brown liquid doesn't exactly do the stately glass justice. Oh well. I'll give a low score here, but I'm guessing the subsequent categories will offer enough to average out to a decent grade.

Yum. I like beers that smell like this. I'm definitely pulling Old Ale-like aromas here - overripe grape, rum, molasses, fudge. It smells like a big tasty malt bomb.

Yet, the actual taste is more complicated than that. I'm finding this really difficult to describe....I get the rum raisin flavors of a dubbel, but there's also unsweetened chocolate, pipe tobacco, molasses and black licorice. As if that wasn't enough, there's a pervasive, but not overbearing, vinous acidity throughout. Interesting. To me, it skews closer to an Old Ale than to a dubbel, but it has some of the characteristics of both. It's got a lot going on, and somehow the flavors manage to meld pretty well and not get in the way of one another. Tasty.

Feel is a little limp, with carbonation that I'd classify as light-to-moderate. This is fine....I'm not sure this would be as good if the carbonation was even just a little higher. As it stands, it has good creaminess, and the flavors are allowed to really coat the tongue.

As for drinkability, this is much more drinkable than I thought it might be. Even at 8+%, the alcohol doesn't seem to be much of a factor, and the carbonation on the light side of moderate helps it slide down with more ease than it otherwise would. Also, even though it's highly flavorful, that it's not overly sweet helps guard against the possibility of flavor fatigue.

All in all, a worthy beer if you like Old Ales and Dubbels, and are feeling a bit adventurous. However, I bet a fairly large cross-section of beer geeks would find something to like about this beer.

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More User Reviews:
Photo of AdvocateFan
4.43/5  rDev +17.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A real gem among aged beers (2007 vintage.) Underrated in my view at the time of this review.

To settle some confusion, the version of this beer that is distributed in the US is NOT a golden/pilsner-style beer. It is a dark, malt bomb that fits somewhere in the range of Abbey Dubbel, English Barleywine and Old Ale (when aged.) My sample is from 2007 and is approx. 3 years old at the time of this review. Donder & Bliksem refers not to one of Santa's sleigh-toting pals, but to thunder and lightning. Pours a tawny, chestnut hue capped by a faint tan head of immortal persistence. It certainly presents with a thunderous pronouncement of the might of malted barley--huge malt bomb on the nose. Notes of raisins & rum cake, alcohol, maple syrup & brown sugar, caramel-coated apple and a hint of walnut. Summed up, this is rich, syrupy bliss on the nose! The beer goes down much less sweet than the nose would suggest, resulting in an almost Abbey-style Dubbel flavor profile, but less dry, less spicy, and still richly malty without an overwhelming sweetness. There are also some spikes of orange-flavored chocolate, pumpernickel dough, nectarines and prunes, as well as overripe red apple skins, all offset slightly by a walnut-like drying quality. Being a vintage ale (it was about 3 years old at the time this review was conducted), it has some oxidation notes, but these work nicely in the beer as it has mellowed out and really come together very nicely. In this regard, expect elements of Old Ale showing up in the flavor profile--and these are perhaps the most elegant of the lot. A subtle, late-breaking acidity is perhaps the hallmark feature along that style's plane of reference. It breathes a faint smokiness in the fade, along with a gentle tingle in the throat at full warmth. And yet, it's a bit like a well-aged English-style barleywine with its warming richness (just a bit light on hops to fit neatly into that style category, though the Premiant and Saaz hops do shine through in subtle manner with a slight aromatic bite in the finish.) But why bother trying to fit this beer into a defined style--it truly defies categorization. And what a beautiful beer this is--refined, distinguished, and wise with all the age on it. Powerful and complex. The sample I got was a truly exciting beer. The subtlety may pass some by, but in my view, this is a world class vintage beer, and one of those beers I'll never forget.

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Photo of olradetbalder
3.25/5  rDev -13.6%

Photo of glid02
3.77/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle out of the Brick Store cellar shared by a generous soul. 2007 vintage.

Pours a hazy purplish-amber color with a one-finger off-white head. The head recedes into a wispy layer on top leaving light lacing.

Smells of robust medium malts with large amounts of boozy medium and dark fruits - pears, figs, and hints of raisins. Also present are hints of clove and brown sugar.

Tastes similar to how it smells. Moderately sweet medium malt flavors kick things off and are joined quickly by hints of spices. Midway through the sip the flavor profile turns toward fruit - mostly dried figs with hints of syrupy pears. The fruit flavors carry through to a crisp ending.

Mouthfeel is good. It's got a nice thickness with active carbonation.

Drinkability is also good. I had no problems finishing my glass and could have another.

Overall I wasn't a huge fan of this beer as the flavors seemed thinner than they should have been given the aroma and mouthfeel. A decent beer for the style but one not worth seeking out.

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Photo of Mar02x
3.79/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The beer style wasn't mentioned on the label, so I don't know what to expect.

A - A clear golden beer with a decent white head, that slowly turns into a fluffy cream. The is some nice carbonation bubbles rushing up, always pleasant to see.

S - A real Pilsener smell of yeast and hops, not really in a pleasant way though.

T - Tones of flowers, grain and some pine which bring a bitter taste.

M - A soft to medium carbonation that fits the taste excellent, slightly creamy too.

O - A good ???, type of beer. The complexity is good and the body too. - Now I see it was supposed to be a Double. I never would have guessed it, because of the bright and clear color. Now that I know I can still appreciate it in the same manner though, maybe even more.

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Photo of Sammy
3.67/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

USA version is aImperial pilsner, not a dubbel at all. Premiant and Saaz hops ar primary taste, drying hops, yet balanced not too bitter. Medium plus mouthfeel. A bit of spiciness in smell.Mild lime, like Perrier with better carbonation. Drinkable but a 750 ml. is too much.Decent of-white head.

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Photo of GRG1313
4/5  rDev +6.4%

Photo of PhillyStyle
3.9/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 750ml corked bottle (dated 2.007?) into a mug (purchased at Green's on Buford, $14.99).

A: Poured a hazy brown with an moderatly thick, more than 2 finger pour, thanks to the carbonation, off-white/light brown head that dissolved fairly quickly. A thin layer of the head stayed throughout the drink.

S: The aroma was heavy on the malt with some hints of either cocoa or coffe and a slight hint of alcohol.

T: The beer had a good flavor to it. The malt of the dominate flavor, but it is also slighly sweet, with a twinge of alcohol and hops.

M/D: The beer was fairly rich and creamy with a more than fair amount of carbonation, but certainly not in a bad way. The aftertaste was bitter and slighly off-putting. Overall, a very good beer and one that I will buy again.

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Photo of philipquarles
3.68/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

33cl bottle of the Dutch version--a strong pils at 5.9%, according to the label. BBD of 3/10. Pours quite cloudy and dark for a pils, with the most massive head I've seen on something purported to be a lager; like meringue. Plenty of sediment. Smells very floral and tropical fruity. A sweet background with some very light brown sugar. Tastes of bitter, aromatic hop up front, followed by earthiness and a lingering sweetness. Finishes dryly. Slightly oxidized, though still pretty good. Light-medium feel with too much carbonation. Interesting stuff.

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Photo of paigertx
4/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Enjoyed a 750ml corked bottle from the beer of the month club out of Lake Forest, CA. Smell is very leading into the sour initial taste and mouthfeel continues with a bit of a chalky sour apple texture. Shockingly increases in flavor as the bottle breathes and tongue recognizes the uniquesness of this complex brew. Drinkability doesn't feel comfortable at the beginning but comes around with the mouthfeel. Give it a shot if you can find it, I will do it again.

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Photo of DrBier
3.75/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of metter98
4.02/5  rDev +6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is very dark amber-brown in color. Although it only has a thin layer of bubbles in the head, there is a good amount of head retention, which gradually fades into nice lacing patterns.
S: There is a very strong aroma of caramel and lots of sweetness. There are also smells reminiscent of an English barleywine with notes of raisins and brown sugar.
T: There's a bit of overall sweetness in the taste, which has flavors of malty sweetness, but is much more subdued compared to the aroma.
M: It feels medium-bodied and smooth on the palate. The finish leaves a little dryness and some alcohol warmth.
D: The alcohol is very well masked so this is rather drinkable. I would definitely try this again--it's a unique "hybrid" beer that shares characteristics of a dubbel and an English barleywine.

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Photo of Telestic
4/5  rDev +6.4%

Photo of mwilbur
4.35/5  rDev +15.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from 750 mL bottle into NBB snifter.
A: Pours a nice cloudy, murky brown with hint of red around the edges with backlighting. 1-2 inch tan head forms and fairly quickly recedes, but leaves a permanent razor thin skim on top.
S: Sweet caramel malt predominates with an earthy mineral and nutty notes in the background.
T: Rye, caraway, and other pungent grains come through initially. This hangs on the caramel malt backbone. Maple syrup, mild molasses, and mild cedar-aged cigar notes come through with minimal warming. With more warming, a smokey note emerges.
M: Soft, creamy, and full feel. Coats the entire mouth and settles in lightly on the palate. Matures a little there...just enough to keep it interesting. Very mild sugary sweet aftertaste...with warming this turns toward a creamy sweet milk finish.
D: Very, very drinkable...especially for an 8.2% ABV. This is not your typical dubbel (more a mash-up of an english brown, old ale, and dubbel), but in a good way. It isn't as sugary or spiced. And even though it retains a good complexity, it doesn't have a heavy feel. An excellent aged (not sure if this is 2007 or 2008 vintage) brew. A real treat served best on its own.

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Photo of djcira
4/5  rDev +6.4%

Photo of mitlinks
4/5  rDev +6.4%

Photo of realmpel
3.88/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a nice dubbel, alive with butterscotch and raising flavors. Pours a nice chestnut brown with a thick head which lingereth on the side of the glass. This beer warms up nicely; give it time.

Not a complex beer, but a solid and great tasting dubbel.

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Photo of Bryn
4.25/5  rDev +13%

Photo of ygtbsm94
3.5/5  rDev -6.9%

Photo of RBorsato
3/5  rDev -20.2%

Photo of RixBeer
4.07/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Is that really Zues on the bottle? Looks way to happy to be a greek god. Anyhoot.

Pours a thick dark dark amber & prune color with a 2 finger off white head.

Nice aroma of cocoa, caramel, biscuity and has nice undertones of chocolate.

Very smooth. I like, I like. ok hear it goes...cocoa, hints of melted caramel notes of chocolate but a little boozy. Lots of flavors pop out in the after taste.

Nice body. fairly medium all around.

Easily drunk by all.

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Photo of Bubba83
3.08/5  rDev -18.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Poured into a snifter at 50 degrees. Very dark ruby/amber hue with some bright white head, two fingers width. Decent lacing and the head has pretty good retention as well...

Smells a little sour somehow, with some dark fruity plum aromas and indescript sugar.

Taste is not very complex, sugar plums up front, but not dancing in my head... Slight caramel and cherries. Tart flavors are here but rather indescript too.

Mouthfeel is decent, maybe a little too bubbly/lively for what I am used to. Could be a lot smoother across the tongue. Finishes pretty dry.

Just an okay dubbel overall, I thought the tart flavors might add an interesting dynamic, but unfortunately there just isn't that mich depth.

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Photo of TMoney2591
3.75/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Served in a St. Bernadus goblet.

The cork reads 2007, indicating some decent age. Wonder what the result is? Well, it certainly does not pour clearly; rather a dark, murky amber-brown that leans toward garnet-ness with the addition of light. A minor amount of off-white bubbles stands in for a head, but not for long. There's a heavy dose of wheat and flour in the nose, like a bakery prepping for some hard-core pasrty-makin'. Not much else, though there may be some walnuts or cashews hidden somewhere on the table. Luckily, there's quite a bit more goin' on in Flavor Country. There, loaves of rye bread are plentiful, walnuts literally grow on trees (...wait...), red apples are on sale, and molasses seems to drip from certain trees at certain times of day. A lovely country, no? Its carbon footprint is of average size, allowing development to continue unabated (though increasing taxes is beginning to slow the rate of development to a much more easily managed level).

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Photo of Gavage
3.53/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance: pours a cloudy brown color with a short tan head that falls to a spotty surface foam quickly.

Smell: very faint malt and fruit sweetness.

Taste: moderate malty profile with some prunes, red grapes, yeast, hint of pepper, moderate bitterness and a bit of alcohol.

Mouthfeel: medium bodied. Lightly crisp throughout. Short aftertaste here.

Drinkability: slower sipping Dubbel that is decent but not overwhelming. Worth a try.

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Photo of cab
1/5  rDev -73.4%

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