Vuur & Vlam | Brouwerij De Molen

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BA SCORE
3.87/5
214 Ratings
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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen
Netherlands
brouwerijdemolen.nl

Style: American IPA

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 6.20%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by wl0307 on 10-06-2009

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#9,874
Reviews:
75
Ratings:
214
pDev:
12.66%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
Wants:
8
Gots:
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Ratings: 214 |  Reviews: 75
Photo of bigred89
4/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of Hayley_86
4.25/5  rDev +9.8%

Photo of eawolff99
3.25/5  rDev -16%

Photo of John_M
3.63/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at Max's today.

The beer pours an amber orange color with good head retention and lacing. The is fairly attractive, showing orange citrus and light sweet malt. The flavor profile replicates the nose pretty closely in this beer. Although there some sweet orange, it's countered fairly well by the hoppy bitterness in the finish. While not as hoppy/bitter as I typically like to see in my IPA's, it's not bad. Mouthfeel is meidum bodied, with a somewhat thin, lightly bitter finish. Drinkability is pretty good in this IPA. The alcohol is nicely integrated into the flavor profile, and there's nothing heavy or tiring.

Shrug. While nothing extraordinairy, I thought this was a fairly pleasant effort from the folks at De Molen.

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Photo of wordemupg
4.29/5  rDev +10.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

750ml corked and caged bottle poured into tulip 3/4/12

A hazy golden orange, massive half glass of bone white foam retains well ending up as a loose soapy foam that leaves a few chunks of lace

S grapefruit and mango with some floral aspect, lavender perhaps? I get some sauv blanc vinous notes with some "cat's pee on a gooseberry bush" but its much better then it sounds. I want to say pine but it might be spruce with a little tangerine and passion fruit with very faint smoke from the chinook I'd guess, the perfect American IPA from across the pond

T still tropical but harder to distinguish the individual notes in the nose, everything sorta blends into a mellow balance of malty caramel and citric hops, tastes great but as good as it is, it has nothing on the nose

M much like the other De Molen brews I've tried this one has more bubbles then desired, my only complaint in this department

O great IPA with a focus on aroma, other then a little foam in the mouth this one is well above the norm

not sure why I'm above the average with this one because I'd assume everyone would love it, the smell alone had me at hello. The 13$ question finally comes into the equation and perhaps is my best answer, as much as I love this beer for an IPA (no "D" in front) its expensive considering the 6.2%.

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Photo of Evil_Pidde
3.57/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

A: Pour is hazy pale orange with a rather tall and creamy off-white head. After slow dissipation the lacings appear, rich.

S: Tropical fruits galore! Rich American hops, bitter and floral; grapefruits, pineapples, ripe red oranges, peaches and lemon sezt. Caramell malts, semi-sweet, in the back but not weak in smell.

T: Follows the smell, but perhaps a bit milder. Think the smell watered.

M: Aftertaste is bitter and LONG. The body is rather thin while carbonation is rich.

O: It started of right, but the thin body ruins both feel and taste.

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Photo of avalon07
4/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a brownish-orange color and a cloudy consistency. There was a huge, creamy, long-lasting head. Good lacing.

S: A heavy hops presence in the aroma, with some malt as well.

T: Tasted of hops (a fair amount), some citrus (a little grapefruit), malt, and an almost bready quality. This tasted more like an English IPA than an American, but it was still pretty tasty.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth finish. Medium-bodied.

O: I'm not going to say this is my favorite IPA ever, but it is solid and well made.

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Photo of wl0307
4.08/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Purchased at the BSF bar, GBBF 2009; this bottle-conditioned ale comes in a 330ml slim brown bottle, BB 2014, served faintly chilled in Tripel Karmeliet's long-stemmed tulip-shaped goblet. NOTE: much information about this beer is printed on the front label - Brewed on 29 April 2009, Bottled on 2 June 2009; EBC 22.2, EBU 42.6; Bitter-ing hops Galena + as late-hops - Chinook, Cascade, Simcoe and Amarillo + Dry-hopping with Cascade; this bottle is No. 51 from the batch of 1344 bottles only. The label actually looks like some freshly printed "laboratory briefing"...?!

A: a huge and foamy light beige froth sits on top of a moderately carbonated, slightly murky dark amber hue. Phenomenal.
S: the smell is more like a well-hopped Tripel with a bit more malt sweetness upfront; as indicated by the front label, the hop composition is indeed complex and hard to "dissect" for analysis, featuring Cascade et al. US hops' piney, apricot-ish, grapefruity & lychee-ish aroma, while Belgian/Dutch exotic yeasts also render a rich flower-estery & spicy (a touch of vanilla and coriander-seeds) aura in the background. In the middle is a more settled layer of overripe fruits (pears, bananas, and pineapples [smoothie like!]) and mixed, toffee-ish+sugary malts. Very pleasant and tremendously hoppy, but the malt syrup is equally rich to provide a kind of gravity.
T: the effervescent mouthful of spicy-bitter & powdery yeastiness and piney hops is refreshing and kicking my taste-buds hard, waking them up to a dry, citrus-peel-ish spicy-bitter aftertaste that ensues closely, as does a vanilla-ish herbal note... Also in the aftertaste, the bready+caramely malts develop by stealth, but way less significant on a balance already dominated by lingering lychee-shell-ish aroma and chewy, spicy, medium+ level of bitterness from both hops and yeast sediments. Surprisingly, at merely 6.2%abv., this ale should leave an interestingly warmer-than-average swallow as it goes down the throat!
M&D: refreshing and semi-lively carbonated with very fine fizz, giving an elevating effect on the flavour actually. The complex hop profile is all mixed up in terms of flavour, and then engulfed by the rich yeastiness that I couldn't have avoided even if a more gentle pour was applied, as the yeast sediments are by no means settled in the bottle - more in line with a Belgian/Dutch bottled ale. The combined effect makes a heavily hopped and yet immensely yeasty semi-IPA style of ale.

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Photo of akorsak
3.95/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A horizontal tasting of the same recipe as interpreted by three different brewers. Take 1: De Molen. At the Farmers' Cabinet. Janlud there too.

A: The IPA is bright, a coppery orange color. A moderate-sized band of head comes along, white a snow.

S: The nose is grassy, possibly the hoppiest of the three. Citrus follows the grass, as does balancing caramel.

T: Pungently hoppy, the ale brings plenty of citrus with resiny pine adding an oily follow-up. Caramel malts, bready, are an adequate counterbalance to the hops. Semi-tropical, the IPA finishes with a grassy bluster. Yeast lends a sweeter presence that also aids in balancing the bitterness.

M: The hoppiest of the three, De Molen doesn't go easy on the bite. That being said, it's not a tastebud-scorcher. A strong take on an American IPA.

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Photo of Howlader
3/5  rDev -22.5%

Photo of bylerteck
4.12/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On tap at 't Arendsnest in Amsterdam. From notes.

A - Poured a cloudy dark orange with a full 2 giner ice cream looking eggshell head. Good lacing and ice cream scoop in the middle. No visible carbonation.

S - I wrote "hopsane" for some reason. Crazy tropical fruit attacking the nostrils. Grapefruit and pineapple come out. Lovely and very aggressive.

T - I came to Amsterdam from the Balkans and this was the first hoppy beer I'd had in a while. It was a great feeling. The best grapefruit presence in an IPA I've tasted. Represents the sourness of the fruit quite well. Juicy, resinous hops. Yeasty with orange zest and a slightly floral finish.

M - Mild carbonation with a light to medium body. Not an intense bitter finish, but obviously there.

O/D - A nice IPA. No flaws IMO. Good ABV and lovely flavour. It might have been me missing IPAs, but this was a great beer and I liked it alot. Worth trying for sure.

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Photo of barczar
3.53/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a clear light golden color with a quarter inch white head that dissipates into a film of foam.

Aroma is comprised of confectioners sugar, grainy malt, and floral hops. There's a bit of dankness and a hint of citrus present. Grapefruit, citrus zest, and alcohol surface as it warms.

The flavor is fairly subtle, with bitter, catty hops overwhelming the light citrus notes. Tastes a bit flat initially, lacking in malt breadth. Not quite as much flavoring hops as expected. Tangerine and coriander add complexity. Lime zest becomes evident.

Body is moderate, with moderate to low carbonation, which adds to the flabbiness of the beer.

Somewhat disappointing from a flavor standpoint. Lacking malt and hop flavor for the style.

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Photo of bark
2.84/5  rDev -26.6%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

The colour is amber-brass, the liquid is clear. The two finger head is white and airy; it sinks slowly leaving some lacing on the glass.

The smell is surprisingly smooth. Lots of juicy hops and some bitterness. Bitter-sweet notes of lemon/lime and grapefruits. Orange peels and hints of rubber bands and green plants. Hints of alcohol and butterscotch. No harsh notes.

The taste is bitter with distinct green hoppy flavours. It is dry and all hop-centric, not much malt here. Some pine needles, grapefruits and tangerines. Thin body. The aftertaste is “green” and dry, almost harsh. Some butterscotch and harsh green plants in the finish.

The carbonation is medium strong, the bubbles are mid-sized and long lasting. The liquid is medium to thin.

Good bitterness and citric fruits, but the beer is way too thin and plain.

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Photo of whatname
3.5/5  rDev -9.6%

Photo of StJamesGate
3.7/5  rDev -4.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours cloudy amber-tan with stiff piles of eggshell foam. Nose is faint caramel, bruised peach and orange rind. Toffee apple malts with vague caraway/vanilla bean yeast spice then pine resin and fresh apricot hops. Bitter finish. Soft, round, medium, some heat, cloys a bit.

According to the label:
Bittered with Galena
Chinook, Cascade, Simcoe and Amarillo late hops
Dry hopped with Cascade
42 IBUs

That label info should have been a clue: why go crazy with the hop bill, only to give an APA-level of bitterness?
And though it says this can age for up to 5 years, with a June 29th bottle date, at 4 months it already seems to have lost some hop brightness. Hop complexity does deepen as it warms; serve this at cellar temp.

Burns too much to be an APA, not hoppy enough to be an IPA. Swampy hops, weak malts, and then that yeast... Belgian IPA? Not sure what this is trying to be.

2nd de Molen beer, and haven't been blown away yet.

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Photo of samEBC
4/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of FLima
4.27/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Hazy amber color with an abundant off-white head with good retention that goes till the end of the tasting.
Aroma of tropical fruits and citrus, hints of passion fruit.
Very well balanced beer, sweet malty flavor with a fruity and citric and bitter taste, presence of grapefruits and tangerine.
Medium to full body with a good carbonation and an effervescent sensation at start.
Had it their Op & Top first, which is also very good and then this, got even better! Excellent beer, difficult to say what to change.

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Photo of shigg85
4.25/5  rDev +9.8%

Photo of drpimento
4.09/5  rDev +5.7%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Appearance is a giant, creamy, fluffy, cream-colored head, lots of lace, and a hazy amber color. Aroma is caramel, toffee, yeast, hops, spice. Flavor’s like nose; dry up front, bit sweet in finish. Mild carbonation. Also some off flavors in the end.

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Photo of aztraz
3.25/5  rDev -16%

Photo of Daniellobo
3.71/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

lFair IPA, settled on the hops, and yet with a pleasing bitter sense.

Presentation: 33 cl brown, capped bottle. Standard De Molen Label, text over white background detailing the characteristics of the brew. O.G. 1058, F.G. 1012, EBC Colour 22.2 Hop bill, EBUs 42.6. Adds recommended drinking temperature, and cellaring range (up to 5 yrs.). Shows brewing and bottling date (11 March 2010, 12 April 2010), and that this is bottle 320 out of a1210 33cl bottles batch, alongside Alc. by Vol. (6.2%). Served in a tulip glass.

A - Hazy deep amber pour. Towering head with problems to settle down... Quite a beauty.

S - Aroma is soft, faded at this point I guess... But still pleasant with a light hoppy touch, light grapefruit with a sweet malt touch.

T - Bitter sense, not so much a full range but a good bitter touch, touch of faint resin and citrus under the bitter coating, but again, not much in the way of complexity or range of hops at this point. Pleasing malty touch in the back, dash of caramel.

M - Medium body with medium to medium/low carbonation, good tingle in the tongue flowing with the final bitter finish.

D - Aged IPA by design... It still drinks pretty well with a pleasing feel.

Notes: Certainly not by far a remarkable De Molen brew, and sure enough despite the rage, mine included, for fresh and rich hops, they can also (and were supposed) to preserve a brew well, and this still is a good drinker albeit shortly it will hit the one year mark. I'd love to put my hands on a fresh one though... Thanks Toño for another De Molen treat.

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Photo of Mattias
4/5  rDev +3.4%

Photo of Cyberkedi
3.55/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Aroma has a malty core, a strong yeasty overtone, and hints of grass and fruit. It pours a slightly orangy amber with a decent, fluffy white head. Flavor is definitely that of an IPA - hoppy with citrus and yeasty undertones and some bitterness. Smooth texture is firm-bodied and quite fizzy, leaving a decidedly hoppy and citrus finish. Overall, a decent IPA, if not an outstanding one, and worth taking home.

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Photo of Dope
4.15/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottled 12/21/10, bottle # 436. 7 months old but what the hell.

A: Cloudy dark amber with a ridiculously huge white head that never seems to fade. Tons of lacing stuck everywhere.

S: Despite the age the hops are still quite fragrant. Definitely a decent variety in this. There's citrus, pine and grass that I can tell. Distinct simcoe smell. Some bread hiding in there too. Quite nice.

T: Still quite hoppy. Perhaps not as strong as when it was fresh maybe but it's still there. There's orange, pineapple and grapefruit, some pine in the middle, joining with grass on the tail end. Bitter pine and grass sticks through the aftertaste quite well. There is a bit of a medicinal herbal flavor floating around too, again mostly in the aftertaste. Herbal flavor starts to come out stronger in the aftertaste as the beer warms and starts to detract slightly, otherwise this would be higher rated. A bit of caramel sort of coats everything.

M: Lots of carbonation for that tingly mouthfeel. Lasting bitterness suits it well and joins in.

O: Wish I could have tried this fresh, I wonder how it compares. It is still very hoppy and tasty though. Not a malt bomb by a long shot. Worth grabbing if you see it somewhere local.

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Photo of CrazyDavros
3.9/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 4.5

Pours pale amber with a large head.
Massive lychee hit in the aroma. Pretty much dominates. Graduall fades to let some peach and papaya through along with some spicy phenols and sweet, biscuity malt.
Biscuity and bready malt first up as flavours with a bold grapefruit and pine hop hit after. Some booze and Belgian phenols following, tripel-style.
Too much carbonation.

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Vuur & Vlam from Brouwerij De Molen
Beer rating: 3.87 out of 5 with 214 ratings
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