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Rook & Vuur | Brouwerij De Molen

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen
Netherlands
brouwerijdemolen.nl

Style: Smoked Beer

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.20%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Premiant hop & Saaz as late hop.

Added by johnnybravo on 04-06-2010

BEER STATS
Reviews:
41
Ratings:
102
Avg:
3.66
pDev:
28.14%
 
 
Wants:
3
Gots:
11
For Trade:
0
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Reviews: 41 | Ratings: 102
Reviews by CHADMC3:
Photo of CHADMC3
3.6/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

To call this beer a gusher is a gross understatement as the foamy, light brown head absolutely erupts from the brown body and really hangs around a while before dissipating a bit.

As advertised, this beer is quite smoky, with hints of the chocolate malt and chili pepper as it warms, but also a touch phenolic.

The flavor is equally smoky with more pronounced chocolate malt and chili pepper than the nose and less phenolic profiles.

Medium to lighter in body with outrageous carbonation and a smoky finish.

A fine example of the style with great flavor, however a bit too phenolic in the aroma. Certainly a beer I am glad I tried and a worthy adversary to other in the style.

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More User Reviews:
Photo of LAp
4/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

An impressive (and very underrated) beer. A solid Rauchbier, and one of the few beers in which chili is a welcome ingredient. De Molen seems to have found the sweet spot in which a subtle touch of chili adds to the beer (I've yet to try a beer before this one in which the spicy heat did anything but detract from an otherwise well-done base beer). Dark, with a good malt body, and just the right amount of heat.

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Photo of StonedTrippin
4.25/5  rDev +16.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

in my eyes these guys are becoming one of the kings, and frankly have been for some time, ahead of their time really, and i am only just discovering so many of their awesome beers now. just fantastic stuff here, smoked imperial porter with chili peppers. not sure how old this is, but the peppers must have faded off a bit, as they are there in faint flavor, accent notes, but no heat at all, and its all way back. crazy pour like a lot of their other stuff, with a super tall mocha head of large soda bubbles and a dense chocolate brown color to the beer itself. the nose shows a lot of smoke right up front, almost peaty for a moment, wet and musky, with their familiar high gravity yeast in there as well. the peppers are way back, like in a dark chocolate bar, and bring out nuance without being a chili beer as most americans think of them. the flavor is really balanced between the smoke and the fire, which is what this label means. the booze serves to cut the intensity, and unite the elements. the yeast is again the star of another de molen beer, this time drying it out with a day old bread crust complexion and impossibly high carbonation. one of the things i like about these guys is their use of subtle european hops usually seen in pilsener types in these huge imperial stouts and porters. it gives the beers a very unique hop character and feel, and its common in several of their beers. these guys are pioneers, and while this one isnt my favorite that they do, its certainly up to the very high standards they have established with their other stuff.

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Photo of -DF-
4.05/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of Satyr179
3.25/5  rDev -11.2%

Photo of olradetbalder
3.25/5  rDev -11.2%

Photo of Cheebacheebs
2.61/5  rDev -28.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Maybe the one I got was bad, but it tasted like sour cigarette smoke. I like sour beers and I like smoked beers. The problem is this taste like it shouldn't be sour.

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Photo of RickyS
3.96/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of BlazerT
3.5/5  rDev -4.4%

Black with low mocha head, Low to average lacing. The aroma is wood smoke, also meaty aroma, leather. I don’t feel chilli at all. The taste is also smokey, leather, soy sauce and sweet. Palate it thin, low carbonation. The beer is lighter than you could expect, due to sweet character very drinkable. Really nothing special.

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Photo of biboergosum
3.71/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

330ml bottle - dubbed a smoked/spiced stout, without specifying any sort of spice agent in the ingredient list.

This beer pours a rather hazy, dark brown colour, with a gushing amount of puffy, finely foamy, and creamy beige head, which leaves some chunky falling volcanic ash lace around the glass as it slowly melts away.

It smells of pungent meaty smoke, iodine, burnt rubber, wet wood, salt, grainy roasted caramel malt, and a small vegetal astringency. The taste is semi-sweet chocolate, gritty caramel malt, cured meat, Islay whisky in all its hard to love glory, black licorice, more scorched pavement rubber, a faint spicy vegetal heat, and a bit of charred coffee bean.

The carbonation is quite heavy-handed in its mouth-filling frothiness, the body an adequate medium weight, and not too bad in terms of smoothness, as long as you're okay with a big ol' dose of cognitive dissonance when it comes to the pervasive smoky elements, I suppose. It finishes off-dry, with a lessening of the Big Smoke (sorry, Toronto) and spicy essences, alongside the lingering complex maltiness.

Smoke and Fire is certainly an appropriate moniker for this intense offering - everything that Hel & Verdoemenis barrel-aged with Bruichladdich was not. Yeah, the smoked and whisky malts employed here must be from the Scottish isles, or from somewhere with a slavish appreciation for them. Anyways, one hell of a smoked brew, as along with the still unknown spice, the underlying stout doesn't get much love.

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Photo of Sammy
4.15/5  rDev +13.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Fresh bottle at Volo release day. Outstanding smoked. Aromas of rich smoked malt and wine. Very rich malt, chocolate, peat, whisky, really tasty, with chiles in the finish.Good amount of retained head. One of the best beers I have had in last few months.

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Photo of zaphodchak
3.75/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Super foamy. Light tan head piled high that sticks around. Dark brown body.

Thinnish, acrid peat smoke on the nose.

Lightish, wood/peat smoke. Good if thin. Smoke is a bit too acrid.

Mouthfeel is kinda too carby.

Neat, but lots of smoke and not as much body.

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Photo of Roguer
3.92/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Total gusher! Fluffy, tan head; great retention; dark brown brew.

Very smokey aroma; any chili heat or malt depth seems to get lost to the smoke. Slightly sweet. Very pleasant, I might add.

A touch sweet, almost fruity, with plenty of smoke, growing on the back-end. It leans toward woody (vice meaty and bacon-y). Perhaps a bit of back-end heat, but again, the peppers are lost in the smoke.

Smooth, slick body, medium-bodied to slightly full-bodied.

Very tasty and unique smoked brew.

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Photo of Ciocanelu
4/5  rDev +9.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of Alieniloquium
3.28/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

330 mL bottle poured into a chalice. Bottled 6/25/2012.

Appearance - Wow, it's really overcarbonated. Can't fit this little bottle into a 500 mL glass. Overflow poured into a separate glass. Murky dark brown. Gigantic khaki head. Never goes away. Laces well and leaves a thick pillow.

Smell - Smoke and lots of chocolate. I dig the chocolate. The smoke is incorporated well, I thought it might be stronger. Slightly peaty and meaty aroma, too.

Taste - Much less smoke at the front. More caramel and chocolate. Not a really dark chocolate, sweeter and creamier. Smoke starts to build and finishes with a strong slightly briny flavor. Might be the remnants of peppers, which I don't get distinctively.

Mouthfeel - Way overcarbonated. Makes it feel light and detracts from the flavors.

Overall - After drinking a bit of this, I lost interest in it quickly. Not rich enough and the chocolate flavor dropped off.

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Photo of GRG1313
4/5  rDev +9.3%

Photo of robL
3.5/5  rDev -4.4%

Photo of cyrushire
3.5/5  rDev -4.4%

Photo of Bung
3.61/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz. Dark brown pour, super big head, bottle overflowed upon opening. Disappated pretty quickly though. Just a bit annoying. Light cream colored head is left.

Aroma, Some woody beachwood smoke. Lighter toffee and malt. Some of the typical Belgian yeast I detect in their brews. Improves as it warms, smoke more prevelent and yeast less.

Taste, A lot of woody smoke again. Heavy toasted malt, peaty and leather. Earthy, toffee. Could maybe use a little more sweetness, say caramel and chocolate. Still pretty nice.

Body, the weakest part here. The carbonation is just too prickly. Lessens the body significantly. Drinks pretty easy though, abv is non-existent.

Honestly my expecations are never that high for De Molen, the half Belgian half other style brews they do are always just a bit of a miss for me. This one however, is a strong representation for the style. If they could just get that carbonation under control.

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Photo of monketeeth
4.25/5  rDev +16.1%

Photo of Wulfkvlt
1/5  rDev -72.7%

Photo of smakawhat
2.52/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Poured from the bottle into my Dogfish Head snifter glass. Bottle dated August 18th 2011.

Appearance.. um ok.. let's call.. borderline ridiculousness. Ninety percent of my snifter is filled with foam that is going nowhere. It's like cellulose insulation in my glass. Seriously. I am looking at my bottle from which I poured. It's full of suds with half of it emptied. Body color is classic dark walnut brown to black. This is ridiculous looking, it gives me the impression it's infected. Finally settles down after a minute or so while I type this.

Nose is unique. Some rauch like classic smoke, beef jerky, but also some faint milk chocolate. Unfortunately, heavily phenolic, band aid smelling and too noticeable. Medicinal forward HEAVILY.

Palate starts off well, then finishes terribly. Hints off with classic smoke that descends into a mess. Afterfinish brings a giant novocaine blast. Seriously my tongue is numb as I am typing this, I feel the needle stuck in my gums. Mouthfeel is not too bad, slightly wet, but there's also noticeable heat here. When have I ever had a beer that NUMBED my sense? oh not until NOW! What joy is THAT?!?

Looking at the ingredients list, chilies? whiskey malts? umm where is this bouquet and flavor? This is a novocaine dentist office trip mess. I am craving a Schlenkerla now, this is not good and just makes me think what the heck where they thinking? Terrible, you've done better. I am scoring this overall REAL low, this is no fun at all and this is one of my favorite styles.. really dropped the ball here. Ok I admit using a snifter on this was a bit overkill, but the taste on this is a real disaster.

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Photo of BlueSpader
3.88/5  rDev +6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of LiquidAmber
4.03/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

Poured into a Fremont small snifter. Thar she blows! A slow geyser on opening; I wasn't ready and lost 1/3 of the bottle. After mopping up, this pours a very dark mahogany brown, nearly opaque in the glass, with a half finger, light khaki head with great retention and good lacing. Aroma is dominated by meaty smokehouse with light dark malt and a slight burn from the pepper. Flavor is also dominated by the smoke, but with much more dark toasted malt support, showing dark chocolate, hints of caramel and vanilla, nicely integrated, although smoke forward. Finishes with charred toasted malt, a hint of peat, and slight hop bitterness and a light pepper flavor which tastes more like vegetable pepper than pepper hotness . Medium bodied with a light creaminess and less carbonated than expected after the exciting opening. This was dated 2012, which I noticed after opening and I was relieved after the overcarbonated introduction that there is no sign of tartness or evidence of infection. In fact, this has aged nicely with the malt flavors well melded. The pepper has evidently mellowed, not hot, but with pepper flavor. The profile is solid imperial stout, but with added smoke and pepper flavors. I liked this quite a bit and regret the part that ended up on my walls and floor. I always look forward to new De Molen offerings, but will open the vintage ones in the sink from now on.

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Photo of RuudJH
2.5/5  rDev -31.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Pretty sure it's liquid smoke added. I hate that.

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Rook & Vuur from Brouwerij De Molen
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