Rook & Vuur | Brouwerij De Molen

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Brouwerij De Molen
Netherlands
brouwerijdemolen.nl

Style: Smoked Beer

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.20%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Premiant hop & Saaz as late hop.

Added by johnnybravo on 04-06-2010

BEER STATS
Reviews:
41
Ratings:
101
Avg:
3.66
pDev:
28.14%
 
 
Wants:
3
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10
For Trade:
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Reviews: 41 | Ratings: 101
Photo of ktrillionaire
2.33/5  rDev -36.3%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Thanks to Eric for the share.

A - It pours black and fizzy, and has a very large amount of dark tan foam atop.

S - Smells infected in a medicinal band-aid type of way, and besides that it is campfire-smoky.

T - Tastes like smoky infected dark Euro Strong Ale. In other words, the beer tastes like Porter-meets-Malt-Liquor in a funeral pyre of tar and ashes. Alternatively, car exhaust would be another apt descriptor.

M - Thin, fizzy, badly overcarbonated.

O - Drains were invented for times like this.

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Photo of womencantsail
2.37/5  rDev -35.2%
look: 4 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Smoked beer with chili peppers...what could go wrong? Dark brown in color with an off-white head. Intensely smokey with lots of roasted malt, mild char, and maybe a bit of dark chocolate. Interesting, the chili peppers aren’t all that strong. The smoke is just as strong on the palate is on the aroma. A touch of peat to go along with all the char and ash. Maybe even a bit of glue, a moderate spiciness, and some burnt nuts. Not very pleasant.

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Photo of kojevergas
2.39/5  rDev -34.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

11.2 fl oz brown glass bottle with standard pressure cap served into a conical Guinness pint glass in me gaff in low altitude Los Angeles, California. Reviewed live. Expectations are below average - a smoked ale with chili peppers and chocolate? Bottled 18 August 2011. Imported by the Shelton Bastards.

Served straight from the refrigerator and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with extra vigor as carbonation issues are anticipated due to the brewery.

Not paired with food.

A: Pours a monstrous nine finger head of okay cream and thickness, and annoyingly good retention. Colour is a solid black. Plentiful yeast particles are visible. Sweet jesus this is yeasty for a rauchbier. No bubble show.

Sm: Pleasant baconey roast, smoke, vague peat, and whiskey (as opposed to whisky) notes. Enjoyable and inviting. Exactly what the style calls for. A moderate strength aroma.

T: Herbal notes (likely hop or yeast derived), a hint of lemon (?), heavy peat, whiskey, dark malts, smoke, roast, and light biscuity yeast. A touch ashy. Complex but not at all subtle. It's also poorly balanced, with a hodge-podge of malts not really cooperating. I don't care much for it. It's a far cry from Schenkerla. Where's this alleged chili pepper note? I can't find it.

Mf: Smooth, wet, and not at all creamy. Wrong for the style, almost entirely. Too thin for the style. Overcarbonated (when will De Molen finally get their carbonation correct?).

Dr: A very forgettable rauchbier. I'd never get it again. A high price for a low quality product. A disappointment from De Molen, but still somewhat drinkable.

"Enjoy within 4 years" me arse. This isn't worth pissing away cellar space on.

D+

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Photo of oline73
2.51/5  rDev -31.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

I had this on-tap at Max's. Served in a goblet.

Appearance: Pours an almost opaque mahogany color with a layer of fluffy off white head that fades to a ring around the glass.

Smell: Smokey with some malt sweetness. Reminds me a bit of a band aid because it is a bit medicinal.

Taste: Smoke and dark fruit, the medicinal note shows up here as well. The finish is quite bitter with no peppers to be found.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tons of carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This beer is way too medicinal. I'm really not a fan and wouldn't have another.

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Photo of smakawhat
2.52/5  rDev -31.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 1.5

Poured from the bottle into my Dogfish Head snifter glass. Bottle dated August 18th 2011.

Appearance.. um ok.. let's call.. borderline ridiculousness. Ninety percent of my snifter is filled with foam that is going nowhere. It's like cellulose insulation in my glass. Seriously. I am looking at my bottle from which I poured. It's full of suds with half of it emptied. Body color is classic dark walnut brown to black. This is ridiculous looking, it gives me the impression it's infected. Finally settles down after a minute or so while I type this.

Nose is unique. Some rauch like classic smoke, beef jerky, but also some faint milk chocolate. Unfortunately, heavily phenolic, band aid smelling and too noticeable. Medicinal forward HEAVILY.

Palate starts off well, then finishes terribly. Hints off with classic smoke that descends into a mess. Afterfinish brings a giant novocaine blast. Seriously my tongue is numb as I am typing this, I feel the needle stuck in my gums. Mouthfeel is not too bad, slightly wet, but there's also noticeable heat here. When have I ever had a beer that NUMBED my sense? oh not until NOW! What joy is THAT?!?

Looking at the ingredients list, chilies? whiskey malts? umm where is this bouquet and flavor? This is a novocaine dentist office trip mess. I am craving a Schlenkerla now, this is not good and just makes me think what the heck where they thinking? Terrible, you've done better. I am scoring this overall REAL low, this is no fun at all and this is one of my favorite styles.. really dropped the ball here. Ok I admit using a snifter on this was a bit overkill, but the taste on this is a real disaster.

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Photo of Cheebacheebs
2.61/5  rDev -28.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

Maybe the one I got was bad, but it tasted like sour cigarette smoke. I like sour beers and I like smoked beers. The problem is this taste like it shouldn't be sour.

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Photo of stcules
2.89/5  rDev -21%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

Dark brown, almost black. So and so foam.
Smoked smell, dark malts, peated. A touch of green hop, hints of chocolate and rhubarb.
Taste: dark malts and smoked. But it left very low taste in the mouth and in the aftertaste.
It is all upfront.
A bit boring.

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Photo of AgentZero
2.98/5  rDev -18.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.5

A - Dark brown beer with a pretty good sized carbonation head that left some spots on the sides.

S - Char, burnt wood, little smoke, lot of heavy malts, slight bit of dark fruit.

T - Taste is a lot like the nose, but it focuses mostly on the char and ash. Slight bit of dark fruit and a dose of malt.

M - A lot of carbonation, too much actually. Body is also too thin.

O - Not particularly good or memorable. Taste is too bland and mouthfeel is kind of a wreck on this beer.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.28/5  rDev -10.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

330 mL bottle poured into a chalice. Bottled 6/25/2012.

Appearance - Wow, it's really overcarbonated. Can't fit this little bottle into a 500 mL glass. Overflow poured into a separate glass. Murky dark brown. Gigantic khaki head. Never goes away. Laces well and leaves a thick pillow.

Smell - Smoke and lots of chocolate. I dig the chocolate. The smoke is incorporated well, I thought it might be stronger. Slightly peaty and meaty aroma, too.

Taste - Much less smoke at the front. More caramel and chocolate. Not a really dark chocolate, sweeter and creamier. Smoke starts to build and finishes with a strong slightly briny flavor. Might be the remnants of peppers, which I don't get distinctively.

Mouthfeel - Way overcarbonated. Makes it feel light and detracts from the flavors.

Overall - After drinking a bit of this, I lost interest in it quickly. Not rich enough and the chocolate flavor dropped off.

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Photo of soulgrowl
3.45/5  rDev -5.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 2 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Looks-wise this gives the overall impression of a malted milk ball; dark, thick, chocolatey brown with a big, sandy, beige head. The aroma is mostly a hickory-like smoke, molasses, Band-Aids, a drop of honey, and unfortunately little else. However, the flavor is nice, and has a fair amount of nuance, although it's too try and thin to really savor. Lots of chocolate, some whisky-like smoke, dates, walnuts, and oak – rich and savory. As for the chilli? It's there, but it's very, very subtle – at first you just get its flavor, which integraes well with the smoke, but over time it steadily builds to a satisfying heat that warms the whole mouth. Pretty good, but imbalanced and just a little uninteresting – there are similar and much better beers available from Mikkeller, Black Isle, and Rogue.

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Photo of BlazerT
3.5/5  rDev -4.4%

Black with low mocha head, Low to average lacing. The aroma is wood smoke, also meaty aroma, leather. I don’t feel chilli at all. The taste is also smokey, leather, soy sauce and sweet. Palate it thin, low carbonation. The beer is lighter than you could expect, due to sweet character very drinkable. Really nothing special.

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Photo of DarthKostrizer
3.52/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Look: Dark brown with a huge 3 inch tan head and great retention and great circular lacing

Smell: Smoked wood and like the name of the beer suggest it smells a bit like a forest fire

Taste: It tastes a bit like chewing on a burnt piece of wood with some chili pepper in the background. Unique to say the least

Mouthfeel: Medium body and very over carbonated with just a slight bit of heat on the finish

Overall: I could not drink more than a bottle of this but I must say it definitely achieves it's goal

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Photo of SCproUA
3.55/5  rDev -3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

I put a very low estimate rather than the beer, because I believe that the manufacturer strongly overdone smoked. The smell and color level, but the taste is very intense smoking.

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Photo of endovelico
3.56/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The first impression upon opening a bottle of Rook & Vuur (which by the way translates to Smoke & Fire), is it's overflowing and indomitable dark brown foam quickly filling the stein and contracting like a tofu in an Heavy Metal concert.

I for one like foamers. Theres nothing more romantic that having a beer you've never had before tell you 'I'm a beer - And an interesting one at that!'

Anyway, the color is pretty much what you'd expect to see in other empirically 'stronger' Porters (Smoked, Robust, American, etc) while in meantime the aroma shows itself like a pudding of citrus, coffee, chocolate, bacon, earth, and a distinct 'something else' i can't really point my finger in.

The aroma isn't the expression of exuberance i was hoping for. It's actually kinda dull and 'closed' at best and plain muddy at worst.

Fortunately, the tongue doesn't really follow on the nose THAT closely. It's still muddy, but at the same time, surprisingly refreshing! Theres (protuberant) citrus notes(Lemon?); assertive chocolate, smoke, earth and some flowers. You definitely get the vegetable chili taste, and it works nicely, to be honest. But it's not too prominent to the point that i would single it out on a tasting without background information on the beer.

I'm surprised at the hop profile, as it's doesn't have the flowery Saaz (Premiant is a Saaz cross by the way) profile i'm used to getting, skewing heavily into a lemon profile you'd expect to taste in an obscure American hop or unknown Asian or Oceanic exotic hop.

It's coating on the tongue, with low bitterness and carbonation and not really spicy.

All in all, it kinda feels gimmicky and ends up being somewhat muddy and confusing (to my palate atleast). It does surprisingly well as a refreshing beer in the summer, though.

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Photo of CHADMC3
3.6/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

To call this beer a gusher is a gross understatement as the foamy, light brown head absolutely erupts from the brown body and really hangs around a while before dissipating a bit.

As advertised, this beer is quite smoky, with hints of the chocolate malt and chili pepper as it warms, but also a touch phenolic.

The flavor is equally smoky with more pronounced chocolate malt and chili pepper than the nose and less phenolic profiles.

Medium to lighter in body with outrageous carbonation and a smoky finish.

A fine example of the style with great flavor, however a bit too phenolic in the aroma. Certainly a beer I am glad I tried and a worthy adversary to other in the style.

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Photo of Bung
3.61/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

11.2 oz. Dark brown pour, super big head, bottle overflowed upon opening. Disappated pretty quickly though. Just a bit annoying. Light cream colored head is left.

Aroma, Some woody beachwood smoke. Lighter toffee and malt. Some of the typical Belgian yeast I detect in their brews. Improves as it warms, smoke more prevelent and yeast less.

Taste, A lot of woody smoke again. Heavy toasted malt, peaty and leather. Earthy, toffee. Could maybe use a little more sweetness, say caramel and chocolate. Still pretty nice.

Body, the weakest part here. The carbonation is just too prickly. Lessens the body significantly. Drinks pretty easy though, abv is non-existent.

Honestly my expecations are never that high for De Molen, the half Belgian half other style brews they do are always just a bit of a miss for me. This one however, is a strong representation for the style. If they could just get that carbonation under control.

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Photo of dcmchew
3.7/5  rDev +1.1%

Pours pitch black, small tan head quick to a bubbly lace and some specks.
Smell of salty dark malts, smoked cheese, some peat, dark chocolate, faint vanilla, some dried plum, faint chili peppers (something like bell pepper pulp).
Sweet, a bit sour and juicy up front, did not expect that. A raisin and plum zing, even a somewhat citrusy note, quickly caught up by dark malts, roasted, grainy, almost bready, smoked, with a hint of dry scotch and faint peat. Bit of caramel and chocolate, too little. Some tobacco in the finish and mild chilis, not that bold, with just a subtle warmth. Quite a large amount of bitter hop too, especially for the style.
Light body, "wet", medium carbonation. Aftertaste has some roast, faint spirit and light peppers.
Not the smokiest of beers, rather light, same goes for the chili part. Easier to drink, but probably many people will find it lacking.

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Photo of biboergosum
3.71/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

330ml bottle - dubbed a smoked/spiced stout, without specifying any sort of spice agent in the ingredient list.

This beer pours a rather hazy, dark brown colour, with a gushing amount of puffy, finely foamy, and creamy beige head, which leaves some chunky falling volcanic ash lace around the glass as it slowly melts away.

It smells of pungent meaty smoke, iodine, burnt rubber, wet wood, salt, grainy roasted caramel malt, and a small vegetal astringency. The taste is semi-sweet chocolate, gritty caramel malt, cured meat, Islay whisky in all its hard to love glory, black licorice, more scorched pavement rubber, a faint spicy vegetal heat, and a bit of charred coffee bean.

The carbonation is quite heavy-handed in its mouth-filling frothiness, the body an adequate medium weight, and not too bad in terms of smoothness, as long as you're okay with a big ol' dose of cognitive dissonance when it comes to the pervasive smoky elements, I suppose. It finishes off-dry, with a lessening of the Big Smoke (sorry, Toronto) and spicy essences, alongside the lingering complex maltiness.

Smoke and Fire is certainly an appropriate moniker for this intense offering - everything that Hel & Verdoemenis barrel-aged with Bruichladdich was not. Yeah, the smoked and whisky malts employed here must be from the Scottish isles, or from somewhere with a slavish appreciation for them. Anyways, one hell of a smoked brew, as along with the still unknown spice, the underlying stout doesn't get much love.

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Photo of zaphodchak
3.75/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Super foamy. Light tan head piled high that sticks around. Dark brown body.

Thinnish, acrid peat smoke on the nose.

Lightish, wood/peat smoke. Good if thin. Smoke is a bit too acrid.

Mouthfeel is kinda too carby.

Neat, but lots of smoke and not as much body.

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Photo of His_Royal_Hoppiness
3.75/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Decent levels of smoke, more like cigarettes than smoked food. Chili is surprisingly dominant with some whiskey coming through. Interesting mix, but overly sweet for my taste.

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Photo of MasterSki
3.9/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to Eric (TurdFurgison) for sharing this with me. 750ml bottle - #267 of 498. Served in a Heady Topper glass.

A - Finger of tan foam that settles to a thin cap, leaving splotchy lace. Brown body with some transparency at the fringes.

S - Smoke, some light chili peppery notes, bock-esque malt sweetness.

T - Taste is much more heavily peated, with some char and ash. Not nearly as sweet as the nose implied.

M - This is overcarbonated, and has a thin medium-light body. Some dry smokiness in the finish. Alcohol is well-hidden.

D - It's a nice smoked beer that is hampered by a weak mouthfeel. I'd try this again on-tap if I saw it at Local Option or one of the few other bars that have De Molen kegs.

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Photo of Roguer
3.92/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Total gusher! Fluffy, tan head; great retention; dark brown brew.

Very smokey aroma; any chili heat or malt depth seems to get lost to the smoke. Slightly sweet. Very pleasant, I might add.

A touch sweet, almost fruity, with plenty of smoke, growing on the back-end. It leans toward woody (vice meaty and bacon-y). Perhaps a bit of back-end heat, but again, the peppers are lost in the smoke.

Smooth, slick body, medium-bodied to slightly full-bodied.

Very tasty and unique smoked brew.

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Photo of schwemjw
3.94/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A: A very dark hazy murky brown with a ungodly large light tan head.

S: Smoke and chili hit you like a punch in the face. slight whiskey character with tons of wood. leather and tobacco at the seams of this beer.

T: Fatty bacon and big wood characters jump out of this one. Hickory and peat. Smoke and whiskey. Caramel chocolate and bread. I tell you these flavors for me are coming in twos! a leather and tobacco with more smoke. a small hint of heat and chili spice. a slight bitter earthy finish.

M: Lighter than i would have expected. long lingering smoke.

O: wow. this is an interesting beer to say the least. good malt, great smoke, alot of earthy flavors. I couldn't drink alot of this but it is very enjoyable and would go so well with a nice robust steak or cigar. /88

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Photo of thierrynantes
3.95/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Beer bottle (33 cl.) purchased from Clem's and tasted in 2012.

Appearance : reddish brown color with tan foamy head.
Smell : smoked aromas.
Taste & mouthfeel : roasted malt and wood, leading to bitter finish.
Drinkability : a good beer in the style Rauchbier (smoke & fire means rook & vuur in Dutch).
To drink at cellar t° with smoked meat.

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Photo of GONZALOYANNA
3.99/5  rDev +9%
look: 5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

330ml bottle. ½ pint shaker glass. Enjoyed on jun´12. Pours dark amber in color, headed by dark beige, copious & rocky foam. Crown is lasting, creamy & flavorful. Shows aromas of roasted malts, burnt chocolate & peat smoked malts as well as roasted bacon & peppery hues. Subtle underlying floral notes. Sweet/sour flavor at first sip with intense burnt bread & smoky touch. Flavor seems to be smooth by roasted malts but spicy/smoky hues win the match. Suntuous bitter & kind oily palate. Medium body, moderate carbonation. Dry sour fruit/bitter finish. Odd beer!

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