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Isseki Nicho | Brasserie Dieu du Ciel!

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3.95/5
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231 Ratings
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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Brasserie Dieu du Ciel!
Quebec, Canada
dieuduciel.com

Style: Saison / Farmhouse Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Special collaboration between Dieu du Ciel and Shiga Kougen, a Japanese brewery located in Nagano. Hybrid of an imperial stout and a Belgian saison, its color is dark black. Strong bitterness and roasted malt flavours come in first, and are well balanced by a strong alcohol level. Dry and complex finishing provided by the saison yeast.

Added by bobsy on 10-05-2009

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#6,141
Reviews:
74
Ratings:
231
pDev:
8.61%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
Wants:
16
Gots:
36
Trade:
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2.75/5  rDev -30.4%

Photo of Ozzylizard
2.9/5  rDev -26.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Bottle notched 0 and 2, at 50 degrees into goblet
Aroma of malt, alcohol, and ???
Head large (5.5 cm), creamy with some rocks, light brown, rapidly diminishing into a 2 cm layer with the center rising like an abbreviated Devil’s Tower
Lacing poor with an occasional clump
Body dark brown to black, opaque
Flavor is primarily malt with some alcohol – it burns when swallowed. No hops, no diacetyl. Fortunately only minimal aftertaste.
Body medium to full, slightly oily, carbonation soft.

I’m at a loss understanding what makes this a saison – the imperial and dark parts are obvious. There are no complex esters apparent, there is no spiceness or fruitiness. Wait – I just went back and reread the judging characteristics for a saison; it seems that anything goes. In the words of Emily Litella – “Never mind”.

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3/5  rDev -24.1%

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3/5  rDev -24.1%

Photo of -chii-
3/5  rDev -24.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Photo of TheHammer
3.1/5  rDev -21.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.75

Appearance: Poured with two fingers of head that boasted very aggressive carbonation, and excessive carbonation on the pour. It retained fairly well, and laced like crazy. The body, is as advertised, black as a stout.

Smell: Smokey burnt malt is the primary smell, but there is a mix of several well balanced undertones. Notes of dark chocolate, orange citrus, black licorice, tea and even a bit of a kelp like note to it. Warming brings out the already ample profile on this one, so more points here.

Taste: Slightly smoked malt up front with a bit of citrus, that loses itself to a mixed bitter note as black licorice, bitter herbal and earthy hops and excessively strong coffee, that occasional gets saved by a sweet hint of citrus and apple, but is frankly drowned out.

Mouthfeel: The carbonation helps out the entire beer, which would be good if I liked the taste, but isn't the case for me. It's a jump off the cliff as far as transistioning as the initial mild aspect just gets annhilated by the middle of the beer. It also has a clingy mixed bitter aftertaste with a hint of metal dryness that builds as the beer goes on.

Drinkability: Well it's very light for most dark beers I've had, and easy on the system, but refreshing it is not. The carbonation settles down well enough but the flavour and mouthfeel, I just can't get over.

Final Thoughts: I applaud the brewer(s) for pioneering a dark saison, but I'm honestly confused as to why and what they were going for here. I expected a light porter, or mild dark with a focus on the fruiter saison notes and smokiness. What I got though was a bitterness that most Black IPA's can't boast, only here the bitterness isn't caused soley by excessive hoping it seems. It's not my cup of tea, but this is more because the flavours didn't appeal to me then it being a lack of craftsmanship. If you are in to Black IPA and want something a bit different, this is probably down your alley.

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3.25/5  rDev -17.7%

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3.25/5  rDev -17.7%

Photo of jlindros
3.28/5  rDev -17%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

picked up in Montreal, split with rudzud

Big oversized fluffy thick head fades slowly with tons of lacing, super dark just about pitch black beer.

Nose mild roast and dark caramel, toasty wheat, fruity esters that don't blend nicely, little orange zest, apple thing and perfumey phenols, choc malt note.

Taste creamy malts, little choc, roasty dark caramel, burnt roast and smoke like, bitter roast, peppery phenols and perfumey chemical notes, bitter spicy hops that don't blend at all, citrus rind, yeasty over attenuated weird, bitter, etc. Finish sticky dry phenols orange cleaner, bitter earthy hops.

Mouth is way over carbonated, med bod, little syrupy sticky.

Overall this was a mess, nothing went together well, too many different flavors messing with each other and nothing came through nicely without being effected by something else.

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3.34/5  rDev -15.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

Purchased at CBX in Charleston for $5.50. Pours a dark cola color with a 1finger brown foam head that quickly fades. Aroma of char, saison yeast, coffee. Taste is similar, the burnt wood taste to me is very strong with the saison yeast bringing up the rear with some pepper. Mouthfeel is not silky smooth with the carbonation kicking in. Hybrid brew is okay and would not seek again as the char flavor is too much for me.

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3.41/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.25

L: This beer is beautiful a dark pitch black pour, with a large head

S: Dark fruit, grapes, very malty, a malt bomb

T: Dark fruit, roasted malt, coffee, sweetness, a major maltiness that's overwhelming and made me pour it down the drain. I don't know when the beer was brewed but it tasted very funky and not in a good way. I'm a huge fan of Black IPA's and dark beers in general but when something is overly malty I can't take it. The flavors were drowned out and I was left with a terrible infected beer taste in my mouth. Similar to one of the previous reviews, I admire the brewers innovation but don't know if it really works. I don't think the darker styles work with the farmhouse style of brewing and for that reason, "I'm out"

F: Very carbonated

O: Not my cup of tea/beer

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3.43/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75

Split with JLindros.

A - Poured into a Kate the Great tulip a nice dark brown almost black hue with a fat two finger mocha head that fades to leave sticky lacing and fat blanket.

s - Aromas of wheat, darker malts, light saison notes, very subtle funk.

T - Taste is similar to the nose, light roast malts, light chocolate, decent funk, nice toasty malts. Rather yeast and over attenuated.

M - Mouthfeel is brightly carbonated, almost too much.

O - Overall this beer started decent but quickly became yeasty and over attenuated. Really just mediocre.

Serving type: bottle

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3.45/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.25

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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3.5/5  rDev -11.4%

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Isseki Nicho from Brasserie Dieu du Ciel!
Beer rating: 3.95 out of 5 with 231 ratings
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