Dissenter | Founders Brewing Company

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Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: American Double / Imperial Pilsner

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.70%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
Imperial IPL

Added by JohnGalt1 on 05-02-2014

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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BOTTLE: 2014 vintage brown glass bomber with branded pry-off pressure cap and film noir-esque label art. Fun fact: when I first brought this beer out and glanced at the label I thought the guy in the picture was urinating on the street, staring creepily back at the beholder. Anyway..

Purchased at an H-E-B grocery in Austin, TX a few days ago. Served at fridge temp and side-poured into a generic pilsner glass. Reviewed as an IPL per the label. 8.70% ABV.

No bubble show forms as it's poured.

HEAD: 1.5 finger wide head of white colour. Fluffy and soft looking. Has a smooth light consistency with some mild froth and apt thickness. Creamy and appealing.

Retention is pretty good - about 4 minutes. Leaves no lacing as it recedes.

BODY: Clear pale copper of below average vibrance. Honestly, it's a bit weak-looking. No yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible.

It's an appealing appearance for an IPL, but is far from unique or special. I'm looking forward to it more for the brewery than the appearance itself. It's above average, sure.


AROMA: Floral hops. Some nectary notes which almost veer into detergent character - did this spend too long in primary fermentation? Pale malts. Faint citrusy and tropical fruits - mango and tangerine with plenty of zest.

No yeast character, overt alcohol, or off-notes are detectable.

It's a pleasant but underwhelming aroma of average strength.

As it comes to temp, I pick up on a hint of lime.

TASTE: Floral hop notes. Lime. Mango and tangerine hop notes with untamed bitterness. Pale malts. The lime comes on a bit strong, and the imbalanced bitterness is the beer's undoing. It's surprisingly grassy as well, as though they used more pilsner-y hops - Saaz, Noble, etc. Odd.

It has an unrefined, rough fruity edge comparable to something like watermelon rind - it's fruity, yes, but not the type of fruitiness you want to consume.

Average depth, duration, and intensity of flavour. Poor amplitude of flavour; the hops just don't fit the malts. Where's the balance?

Far from a gestalt build. It's not very cohesive, either.

Ultimately, I'm just not a big fan of the hop profile. It's complex for a lager, sure, but unlike the best IPLs, it tries to imitate an IPA. You can't compensate for a lack of esters with more hops. There's no subtlety here at all, nor is there any nuance (though if the lime actually worked in this flavour profile, there'd be plenty).

TEXTURE: Smooth, overcarbonated, slightly oily, clean, zesty, and medium-bodied. It's aggressive on the palate, with an unfortunate alcohol presence. It's less wet than I expected, which prevents it from feeling refreshing.

Not gushed, hot, astringent, harsh, rough, or scratchy on the palate.

Overall presence on the palate is subpar; the overcarbonation coupled with the obvious alcohol is unpleasant and reduces drinkability. Could be softer as well.

OVERALL: It's downable but imbalanced and boring. This is a rare miss from Founders. I definitely wouldn't buy it again. Not sure what they were after with this one, but the in-your-face untamed hop bitterness attacks the palate and makes this a beer I wouldn't a 6 pack of. I wouldn't mind revisiting this on-draught, but as-is it's an overaggressive mimesis of IPAs - and not a very good one. The clean crispness of lagers doesn't come through, and obviously neither do the esters of ales - why brew this?


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Poured into a Riedel tulip glass. The liquid is a clear, nearly transparent golden orange. The pour produces a modest yellowish head that fades after a few minutes to a nice cap that leaves little spots of lace.

Aroma is, of course, lots of hops. Super-citrusy, lots of oranges, grapefruit, etc, along with hints of onion and a sweet honey-like malt character.

Taste is all the citrusy hops from the nose, with quite a bit of resin thrown in. The citrus and resin explode as soon as you take a sip, becoming a tongue-clubbing behemoth through the resinous, drying, bitter finish. After the swallow, a bright citrusy aftertaste comes up, along with a honey-kissed touch from the malts.

Mouthfeel is remarkably thin and clean. Light-bodied with ample carbonation, and a surprisingly non-sticky feel considering how much resin flavor there is.

Overall, not my favorite IPA (or IPL) flavors. This definitely beats you down with hop resin and bitterness, I guess in an attempt to prove that lagers can be imperial as well. The nice mouthfeel lessens the impact somewhat (in a good way), but it's still kind of an over-hopped monster.

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