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Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: American Double / Imperial Pilsner

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.70%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
Imperial IPL

Added by JohnGalt1 on 05-02-2014

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

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4/5  rDev -2%

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4.2/5  rDev +2.9%

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4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

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3.85/5  rDev -5.6%

Thanks to GRG1313 for sharing this one at drewone's tasting.

Pours a clear golden-yellow with a foamy bone head that settles to a partial film on top of the beer. Small streaks of lace form around the glass on the drink down. Smell is of malt, grain, citrus fruit, and citrus zest aromas. Taste is much the same with citrus fruit and citrus zest flavors on the finish. There is a mild amount of hop bitterness on the palate with each sip. This beer has a lower level of carbonation with a slightly crisp and sticky mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer that is tasty and easy to drink.

Serving type: bottle.

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4/5  rDev -2%

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4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

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3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

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4.25/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Poured out as a nice clear yellow color with a white head on top. The smell of the beer is well hopped with a touch of grassy notes in there too. The taste of the beer is clean and hoppy, The feel is crisp and refreshing. Overall it's a very good brew.

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3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

Photo of nmann08
4/5  rDev -2%

From a bottle, pours straw pale yellow, frothy white head, good carbonation.

Smell is all spruce pine needles, hay, a little fruit sweetness. The flavor is mostly bitter pine needles and tropical fruit , star fruit, kiwi. It is very crisp, balanced, but the alcohol is present. The finish is a little dry on the throat.

Overall, this is a pretty good Imperial IPL, a fun style.

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3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

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4.06/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

A: The beer is crystal clear yellow in color and has a light amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a quarter finger white head that died down, leaving some lacing on the surface and a collar of large bubbles around the edge of the glass.
S: Moderate aromas of citrusy hops are present in the nose—oranges seem to stand out in particular.
T: Much like the smell, the taste has lots of flavors of orange citrus hops along with underlying notes of pilsener malts and slight hints of alcohol. There is a light amount of bitterness.
M: It feels medium-bodied and a little clean and crisp on the palate with a moderate amount of carbonation.
O: Except for the cleanness in the mouthfeel and the light amounts of crispness and bitterness, it's hard to tell this beer apart as being a lager compared to an IPA or a DIPA. This beer isn't that difficult to drink as the alcohol is rather well masked from the taste, except for some hints in the taste.

Note: 2014 vintage

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4.03/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

When the goal of IPA it to heighten hop character to the max, but to also suppress malt influence in order to let the hops stand out; why have the "India pale lagers" been so slow to mature? Well, wait no longer- that beer is here and in imperial form!

Bright gold to the eye, its appearance is the classic IPA stature but with a paler tone. Bright and floral to the nose, its perfume and grassy scent is somewhat mild, timid to release its tasty secrets. But once released, its short grain sweetness gets out of the way in a hurry in order to usher in those dominant hops.

Bold and citrusy white grapefruit, lime and under-ripe berries frame the bulk of the middle, especially after the wafer-thin malts dissolve, carrying with it a tangy and earthy taste.

Its building bitterness is unrelenting as the hops grip the throat tightly and refuses to release. Gaining bitterness sip after sip, its grassy, herbal and woodish spices tighten their grip, weaving in citrus piths, leaf and grass along the way- en route to a piquant alcohol warmth that's indicative of its high strength. Its mild astringency is unavoidable with not malt taste or texture to buffer out the hop and alcohol rougher edges.

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2.85/5  rDev -30.1%

BOTTLE: 2014 vintage brown glass bomber with branded pry-off pressure cap and film noir-esque label art. Fun fact: when I first brought this beer out and glanced at the label I thought the guy in the picture was urinating on the street, staring creepily back at the beholder. Anyway..

Purchased at an H-E-B grocery in Austin, TX a few days ago. Served at fridge temp and side-poured into a generic pilsner glass. Reviewed as an IPL per the label. 8.70% ABV.

No bubble show forms as it's poured.

HEAD: 1.5 finger wide head of white colour. Fluffy and soft looking. Has a smooth light consistency with some mild froth and apt thickness. Creamy and appealing.

Retention is pretty good - about 4 minutes. Leaves no lacing as it recedes.

BODY: Clear pale copper of below average vibrance. Honestly, it's a bit weak-looking. No yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible.

It's an appealing appearance for an IPL, but is far from unique or special. I'm looking forward to it more for the brewery than the appearance itself. It's above average, sure.


AROMA: Floral hops. Some nectary notes which almost veer into detergent character - did this spend too long in primary fermentation? Pale malts. Faint citrusy and tropical fruits - mango and tangerine with plenty of zest.

No yeast character, overt alcohol, or off-notes are detectable.

It's a pleasant but underwhelming aroma of average strength.

As it comes to temp, I pick up on a hint of lime.

TASTE: Floral hop notes. Lime. Mango and tangerine hop notes with untamed bitterness. Pale malts. The lime comes on a bit strong, and the imbalanced bitterness is the beer's undoing. It's surprisingly grassy as well, as though they used more pilsner-y hops - Saaz, Noble, etc. Odd.

It has an unrefined, rough fruity edge comparable to something like watermelon rind - it's fruity, yes, but not the type of fruitiness you want to consume.

Average depth, duration, and intensity of flavour. Poor amplitude of flavour; the hops just don't fit the malts. Where's the balance?

Far from a gestalt build. It's not very cohesive, either.

Ultimately, I'm just not a big fan of the hop profile. It's complex for a lager, sure, but unlike the best IPLs, it tries to imitate an IPA. You can't compensate for a lack of esters with more hops. There's no subtlety here at all, nor is there any nuance (though if the lime actually worked in this flavour profile, there'd be plenty).

TEXTURE: Smooth, overcarbonated, slightly oily, clean, zesty, and medium-bodied. It's aggressive on the palate, with an unfortunate alcohol presence. It's less wet than I expected, which prevents it from feeling refreshing.

Not gushed, hot, astringent, harsh, rough, or scratchy on the palate.

Overall presence on the palate is subpar; the overcarbonation coupled with the obvious alcohol is unpleasant and reduces drinkability. Could be softer as well.

OVERALL: It's downable but imbalanced and boring. This is a rare miss from Founders. I definitely wouldn't buy it again. Not sure what they were after with this one, but the in-your-face untamed hop bitterness attacks the palate and makes this a beer I wouldn't a 6 pack of. I wouldn't mind revisiting this on-draught, but as-is it's an overaggressive mimesis of IPAs - and not a very good one. The clean crispness of lagers doesn't come through, and obviously neither do the esters of ales - why brew this?


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4/5  rDev -2%

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3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

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4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

Thanks to Joe for sharing this one!

Pours a deeply saturated golden orange, with a thin froth on the surface. Spotty lace around the edges. Lasting surface coverage. 4.5

Tropical fruit aromas, dried mango and orange peel. 4

Creamy feel with a strong hop character, citric and fruity. Resinous with a building bitterness that lingers into the aftertaste. Light mango and orange notes initially. Well built and drinkable, also pretty strong so take your time. 4/4.25/4.25

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4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

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4.1/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

750 ml bottle into lager glass; no bottle dating, but was just released. Pours crystal clear pale golden color with a 1 finger dense white head with good retention, that reduces to a small cap that lingers. Nice spotty soapy lacing clings down the glass. Aromas of big tangerine, grapefruit, pineapple, lemon zest, apricot, floral, grass, pine, cracker, bread, and floral/grassy earthiness. Damn nice aromas with great complexity of bright citrus/tropical/pine hops and moderate pale malt balance; with great strength. Taste of big tangerine, grapefruit, pineapple, lemon zest, apricot, floral, grass, pine, cracker, bread, and floral/grassy earthiness. Good amount of earthy pine/grassy bitterness on the finish; with lingering notes of tangerine, grapefruit, pineapple, lemon zest, apricot, pine, cracker, bread, and floral/grassy earthiness on the finish for a while. Damn nice complexity of bright citrus/tropical/pine hops and moderate pale malt sweetness; with a nice malt/bitterness balance and zero cloying flavors after the finish. Medium carbonation and body; with a very smooth, crisp, and moderately sticky mouthfeel that is great. Alcohol is well hidden with minimal warming present after the finish. Overall this is an excellent IPL. All around great complexity and balance of citrus/tropical/pine hops and moderate pale malt sweetness; and very smooth and crisp to drink for the ABV. A very enjoyable offering.

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3.93/5  rDev -3.7%

Appearance: Pours a crystal clear golden color with a very impressive cap of foam; plenty of squiggly lacing

Smell: Hop candy sweetness with sugary tropical fruit tones (pineapple, tangerine and lemon)

Taste: Candied hops dominate from the outset, with the pineapple, tangerine and lemon tones building through the middle; some alcohol burn and shortbread malt appears, after the swallow, but the finish is dominated by the hops with some grassiness also detected

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with moderate carbonation

Overall: I have never been thrilled by Imperial Pilsners and this one is no exception; I often find them too sweet and that is the case here, as well

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4/5  rDev -2%

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3.96/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

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3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

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4.05/5  rDev -0.7%

White head. No lace. Color is a clear golden orange. It looks oily.

Flavor profile: Big orange and clementine flavor. Tropical. Mangoes. peaches, and grapefruit. Bready malts. Kind of has a steam ale malt profile to it. A bit biscuity. Floral notes. Piney and hop resiny.

Mouthfeel: Bitter and sticky. Medium bodied. Good carbonation. Ends dry with some hops in the aftertaste.

Overall, a really solid beer. Very enjoyable. You can definitely tell this is a lager, but it is still really hoppy like an IIPA. Good stuff.

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