Bad Habit | Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: Belgian Quadrupel (Quad)

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.80%

Availability: Rotating

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Added by CRJMellor on 02-22-2004

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 114 |  Reviews: 102
Reviews by malcontent:
Photo of malcontent
3.55/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Pours the color of a red anjou pear with no head whatsoever and a ring of foam around the edges. Pretty color but rather still looking otherwise.

Tons of alcohol up front with sweet bubblegum and ripe fruit (apples, apricots) lingering in the nose. Nice aromas although they are a bit all over the place.

Sweet but not cloyingly so, alcohol is very apparent but given that it's cold outside I'm willing to forgive it. Fruit is far more toned down than in the nose although bready flavors come on strong after the initial sip. Raisin and medicinal tastes compete with a funky bitterness on the finish. Yummy but unbalanced. Perhaps this could benefit from some aging.

Mouthfeel is thick and somewhat syrupy which is to be expected from the style. Unexpected carbonation melds with satisfying creaminess for a very pleasant feeling brew. Drinkability is OK although as previously noted, some maturation could do this one some good. NOTE: paired with some Italian black truffle cheese the drinkability of the beer dramatically improved as some of the harsher edges of the flavor mellowed quite a bit.

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Photo of RoyalT
4.12/5  rDev +14.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance - This was a perfect brilliant brown in color with a cloudy, off-white head.

Smell - The big alcohol caught my olfactory bulb before I even brought the glass up to my nose. There's a super-strong banana aroma here that reminds me of those banana-strawberry smoothie drinks only without all of the artificial flavoring.

Taste - Yet more alcohol is found at the taste. It is cutting but does little to hide the massive fruit flavors. Again this is mostly banana but I'm also getting a light nutty character like a nut-based liqueur. The malts are all but worn away.

Mouthfeel - This is just shy of medium-bodied and hot hot hot with booze.

Drinkability - It's very drinkable right now but skyhand said it should probably go in the cellar for six months or so to wear away some of the booze and she's probably right. It's not as structured as most other Quads that I've had but the big fruits are juicy and very tasty.

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Photo of DaPeculierDane
3.5/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

A pleasant dark tang bodied brew with nice head, decent retention, and good lacing. Sweeter aroma and flavor then I prefer but with a good trade off, absolute cover of the high abv. Plenty of fruit including the ever pleasing pineapple and some melon. Small amounts of Christmas spice and cherries. Thin body. Some nuttiness. Some warming. Too sweet. Less structured and complex as most quads (Belgian or US) but far more drinkable then most American quads.

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Photo of orbitalr0x
4.02/5  rDev +11.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle pours a deep red/amber bordering on brown with a small ring of light tan bubbles on top. A bit light for a quad, with plenty of carbonation rising up from the bottom. Aromas of raisins, caramel and brown sugar quickly met by phenolic aromas of bubblegum, banana and a nice yeasty spiciness. Light puffs of alcohol as well.

First sip brings a sweet caramel maltiness upfront with notes of raisin, brown sugar and a bit of cherry in there as well. Flows down with a mix of bubblegum and banana notes. Spicy yeast makes up the finish. Sweet throughout but it never gets too cloying. Minimal alcohol flavor, this is a tasty brew overall.

Mouthfeel is medium bodied and smooth which eases drinkability. Good carbonation. Not the best Quad I have sampled but it's a solid take on the style overall. I'll age one of these and see whats happens after lying it down for a bit.

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Photo of merlin48
3.54/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Another interesting find from the wonderful Keg Liquor Store in Clarksville, Indiana. I was prepared to be disappointed by this attempt at a Belgian Quad, but the Founders folks have actually acquitted themselves quite well here. Pours into a goblet a hazy copper color with little to no head and an absence of lacing. Looks like Troeg's Mad Elf.

Aroma is quite profound. Cherries and Bananas, clove and pepper, dark fruits, cinnamon, and some fusel alcohol. Beastly aroma!

Mouthfeel is a bit brash and fusel, but not that unpleasant. Medium bodied.

Taste mirrors the aroma very well. Cherries and bananas, soaked in rum and served with raisins and figs. Drenched with Jamaican dark rum. Flavors are quite bold.There is fusel alcohol here that reminds me of some unpleasant grain alcohol experiments of my younger days. Some anise is also noticed. Middle and finish reveal a solid effort to replicate Belgian yeasts, sugars, and hops complexities.

An excellent American Quadrupel that still doesn't rival the better Belgians.

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Photo of Shovelbum
4.07/5  rDev +12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a glowing clear red-orange body with a thin ring of head around the edge of the glass. While there is next to no head the color of the body is spectacular. Aromas of sweet caramel malt, pear, and mild estery clove and pepper. Flavor is rich sweet caramelized malt and candi sugar upfront, followed a respectable citric hop bitterness that takes it through to the finish. There are subtler berry and pear notes as well, that lend a low-level fruity complexity. Body is mid to full, with a substantial sweetness and smooth creamy mouthfeel. The 9.8% ABV is hardly detectable.

A pleasing ale for the nose tongue, and especially the eye. A tad on the sweet side, but there is enough carbonation (despite the meager head) and bitterness to lend a saving balance. That being said the bitterness actually seemed a just a tad crisp and could probably benefit from some aging (not sure how old this particular bottle is, but probably <6months). I’ll definitely look for this again.

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Photo of rhoadsrage
3.58/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

(Served in a chalice)

A- This beer has a glowing hazy deep ambler body when held to the light but looks pretty dark on the table. There are lots of tiny bubbles rolling up the sides of the glass. The creamy meniscus of light tan head forms sheets of foam over the glass after each sip only to slide back down into the beer.

S- The smell of circus peanuts is strong even during the pour. With a closer sniff, notes of banana are the strong and increase when it gets warmer. There is a nice soft sweet caramel note in the background.

T- The big banana and circus peanut note gives way to a strong alcohol flavor in the finish. Notes of sweet caramel and white sugar are followed by notes of banana taffy when it warms a bit.

M- This beer has a medium-full mouthfeel with an alcohol head that really dries out the finish with the tight little fizz.

D- This beer has a sweet sugary taste which is only balanced by a big alcohol heat. There is not much depth of malt flavors. I think age would help the alcohol settle down but I don't think there are enough malt flavors to come through after a bit of age.

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Photo of IntriqKen
2.85/5  rDev -21.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Pours a nice dark Golden orange with a half finger of white that melts to a ring of white lace.
Aroma is definite belgium....soft sweet fruits like apricots and peach with Belgium bready yeast and a hint of the alcohol in this brew coming on the tail end.
Taste is candied fruits...candied apricot and peach....then heavy on the alcohol. A slight bubblegum taste as an aftertaste.
Mouthfeel is rich and full with lots of tiny carbonation tingling the tongue.
To me, this Belgium quad just misses the mark. The elements are there...they just aren't there balanced or right.

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Photo of cokes
2.73/5  rDev -24.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3

It pours to barely translucent honeyed auburn color topped with a quick and short rise of sand.
Fried banana and stewed apple nose, all slathered with drywall, and drowned in some sort of shitty, vinegary, cooking wine.
It begins all in fruit and stays there for, basically, the entire durations. But this is fruity in the way things like Skittles are fruity...that is, sweet and generally reminiscent of some type of fruit you've had at some point in your existence, and it is absolutely impossible to tell exactly what the fuck that little pink one is supposed to be. This is that little pink one.
Let's call it a pomegrantangeloplantainkiwiblackcherry fruit. Good enough, and it sounds marketable. It's more or less concentrated extract here, because it is loud and syrupy sweet, in the realm of "18% Juice / 82% High Fructose corn syrup fruit "cocktails".
All nonsensical digressions aside, it starts and stays with the heavy sweet fruitiness, edged with a rindlike tartness. It's muddled partially with pervasive gauze-pad and dried tea pastiness, which is essentially the Belgian yeast strain and hops rolled into one semi-obnoxious counterflavor. Still, this is more Hawaiian Fruit Punch than St Bernardus. Even the alcohol, which is strong on the swallow, is painted over with the syrupiness. And that's fucking saying something.
The only beer it even sort of brings to mind is North Coast's Old Stock Ale, and that one at least had some degree of balance on it's side. This is more a horrible Barleywine, unbalanced and oversweet, than some sort of interpretation of a Belgian style. Actually, it tastes more like a poorly made daquiri, except it's not frozen.
Heavy, clingy and cloying. The mouthfeel is a mess.
Ultimately, it's not terrible as the sugary fruit hues, artificial as they are at times, have some small degree of likeability, just as Kool Aid and Skittles do. But on the whole (and more importantly, as a BEER), it's well out of whack.

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Photo of Sammy
3.9/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks jpm30. Good aroma of fresh yeast and fruit. A great tasting beer, though quad is an amazing style. Good soapy bubble white head on golden body. Tasty yeasty drinkable Belgian, unique taste, with spicy secondary. Good significant carbonation. Medium bannana mouthfeel. Funky. Satisfying.

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Photo of dirtylou
3.68/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz single, $2.49, Riley's...rewatching the 2005 ND-Stanford game

appearance: pours into a la chouffe tulip...very lovely dark garnet body, deep and full bodied appearance, light beige head with not much retention

smell: big banana nut bread aroma that kind of struck me by surprise, sweet sugar aroma, original flavoured bubble yum, caramel malt, touch of hops noticeable after a while

taste: this is a big beer...brown banana, a bit nutty, strong boozy nature lingers throughout, sweet boozy fruit - apple, plum, banana...caramel malt backbone, holiday spice attributes that could make this a nice december release...interesting but out of control quadruple that stretches the style

mouthfeel: alcohol a bit hot, medium-full body

drinkability: its big, but i'll manage it

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Photo of CharlesDarwin
3.36/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Originally reviewed on October 14, 2006. 12 Oz Bottle. Aroma blasts forth a heavy phenolic crush of banana skins and ripe fruits. Surprising for the style. This is carried along with a quite hot alcohol. Flavor is more of the phenolic yeast character, but moreso in a sweet, bright crisp fruity schnapps character, yet a little shallow. The flavor runs a current of milder malts and not a depth of sugars. There are some noticable aged belgian style hop characters. Alcohol is very warm and biting and the beer could use a little more depth for the style. Really not terrible though.

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Photo of Lnedrive14
3.32/5  rDev -8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

I want to like Founders, i really do, but their beers just haven't done it for me...

i dont know how this is classified as a quad. pours a dark orange color with zero head. didn't have the correct body either - waaaay too thin. had the consistency of water (and strangely not carbonated). lots of citrus flavors, strong alcohol presence. quite sharp on the palate - lacked the maltiness associated with quads that balances out the high alcohol content. drinkability was low.

reminded me of an english barleywine, i think (maybe not, i am just doing my best to classify it i think).

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Photo of shbobdb
2.27/5  rDev -37.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.5

Aventinus had begun that day like any other -- preening infront of a mirror. He was, after all, one of the finest beers in existence and he knew it.

But Gambrinus is a capricious god and does not tolerate such egoism. So, he decided to play a trick on prideful, prideful Aventinus. Now, there are many variations of the old story floating about -- some say that Aventinus could only love himself and that Gambrinus granted Aventinus's wish by having his female counterpart, Aventina walk through the mirror one morning. Others say, in a story which is perhaps much closer to the truth, that Aventinus was slumming in some seedy bar near the Kellog plant and had a tryst with some flashy (but ultimately unfulfilling) macro lager.

While the details are lost to us, the result is not -- Bad Habit (possibly named for either Aventinus's narcissism, or for his habit of slumming -- this is the strongest piece of evidence for the latter version of the story).

So, what is Bad Habit? Well, the smell is initially fairly exciting -- bits of banana, hints of clove. It really takes after his father, very weizenesque with a hefty dose of alcohol warmth to cut the spice.

But it is all downhill from there. A razor-thin mouthfeel leaves a great deal to be desired, while the potenital of the malts and sugars are left completely behind as raw banana takes over. Nothing exciting, nothing interesting, no wheat-spice nor even clove (really) to back it up. It tastes like a homebrew that was fermented far too hot. Some say that it was merely recessive genes that Aventinus had always had, but rarely manifested all comming to the fore -- others insist it was a legacy from its macro-lager mother.

Regardless, this is a child that would have been better served by being locked up in the attic, never to be heard from again.

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Photo of Beertracker
3.8/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Founders Bad Habit Belgian Quadruple is best served at cool cellar (40-45°F) temperatures from a tulip or pear shaped stemmed glass or chalice. This bold, flavorful Belgian-style Quadrupel pours up rather meager with a small, barely lacy whitish head that's barely sustanable over a hazy, deep bronzish-tawny brown body. The clarity suffers initially from chill-haze, but becomes very bright as it warms in hand. The enticing aroma is filled with a large intermingling of spicy (cracked pepper, grated lemon-rind/coriander, cinnamon-nutmeg & vanilla) plus fruity (banana schnapps, black currant, cordial cherry-chocolate) notes. There's also plenty of alcoholic warmth and a hint of Slovenian hops underlying the rich, almost cloying-honeyish malt notes.The satisfying flavor starts off very rich & chewy with a sweet candied Melanoidin maltiness that carries all the way to the finish with just the faintest touches of spicy, hop influenced bitterness that eventually overtakes the big time, in your face maltiness that packs a surreptitious alcoholic warmth. Founders Quad is a serious malt monster that could easily create a Bad Habit for any malt lover!

CHEERS! Beertracker

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Photo of Generik420
4.92/5  rDev +36.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

This is just one fantastic beer. Especially when you consider it pours from a 12oz bottle but tastes like it should come from a corked 750mL. I drank this from a 22oz snifter. Corlor was a bourbon like reddish brown in terms of color and overall appearance.

Smell is strongly of alchohol as you would expect from an almost 10% quad. There is a sweetness in the background with an earthy fruity aroma.

Taste is exceptional. Hints of caramel and raisins. Not overly alchoholic tasting compared to the aroma.

When you take a sip of this, you should expect a slight 'burn' on the way down, similar to wine almost. Medium body and somewhat clinging to the tongue. The flavor stays with you for a while.

I could sit and sip this stuff all night long. The idea of this in a nice snifter in front of fire with some friends is a dream that really needs to happen. If you enjoy a good Belgian style ale, don't pass up the opportunity to give this a try.

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Photo of CortexBomb
3.91/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours dark with a golden edge and has a generous frothy white head which fades away somewhat quickly. There doesn't appear to be any lacing...I have to mark it down a bit here because I really prefer Belgians to be very frothy. (This might be somewhat unfair because the sample I had at the brewery was very carbonated..perhaps the growler has robbed it here...?) The smell is trademark quad style with a very strong fruity aspect of grapes and sweetness from the excessive malting.

The taste also starts out sweetly with an almost white wine-like grape hits. This combines with a sugary like sweetness and a bit of tartness, but that is also off-set by both the alcohol (which is present but isn't too heavy given the actual percentage) and a very mild hop bite along with some slight spicy notes. Quality.

Mouth...pretty full...bubbly. There wasn't a tonne of head to be had, but the carbonation did stick around in the beer itself and lends something. I would also call the drinkability on this good...Belgians are notorious for hiding the alcohol content and this is no exception.

The bottom line: a tasty, tap room only (to date) offering from Founders that is worth checking out if you're in the GR area.

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Photo of Franchise
3.15/5  rDev -12.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Pours a murky dark brown that leaves a thick tan head. The aroma is fruit, prunes, figs, brown sugar, plums very inviting with a suttle hop earthiness. The taste is initally good, toffee a bit of alcohal is just faint enough to be noticed. There is a bitterness for balance, followed by a banana fruit salad feel to this brew. As this beer warms up I get more of an unpleasantness from this offering. It starts to taste like cherry nyquil with the alcohal and fruit feel on the palate. This offering from Founder's gives you a Jekyll and Hyde performance in the beginning it is great but as it warms up the alcohal and off fruit flavors dominate and make this a below average quad.

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Photo of akorsak
3.62/5  rDev +0.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A 12 oz stubby bottle from a Dark Lord day trade with Sephiroth.

A: The ale is a hazy orange-brown mixture, closer to orange at the thinner points on the glass (and where more light sneaks through). The head was small, less than a finger, and sat atop the beer as a small white pool.

S: Aromatically, the nose is quite fruity. Sweet (non-maraschino) cherries, green grapes and hints of cinnamin create a swirling nose that promises a lot flavor-wise.

T: The initial flavors from a sip are rather thin. So thin that I questioned the ale for a brief second. As that first dull flavor passes, the ale opens up to a huge alefruit, grain and alcohol presence. The dry green grapes, dark raisins and sweet cherries create a strong fruity grain presence that could warm the coldest night. Mixed in with the grainy alefruit is a strong, hot alcohol flavor that announces the beer's strength in bold terms. The finish channels some fruit alongside the alcohol.

M: The ale has a strong malty body that projects a dry but sweet alefruit body.

D: This beer has a huge alcohol presence that limits the drinkaiblity. Stick with one and you'll sleep soundly.

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Photo of tendermorsel
4.25/5  rDev +17.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

This beer poured very smoothly into my snifter...
Great color and head. The head disapated nicely.
Good aroma. Very sweet. Tastes of bubble gum.
A bit too much yeast for my liking. One of the bottles in my 4 pack had clumps of yeast:(

Overall a very unique Quad and well worth tring if you see it.

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Photo of Phyl21ca
3.97/5  rDev +10%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle: Poured a cloudy amber color ale with a small foamy head with minimal retention and some lacing. Aroma of sweet Belgian style malt with some nice notes of toffee. Taste is a nice enough mix between some sweet malt with some toffee and dry fruits characteristics. Body is quite full with some medium carbonation and no alcohol was discernable. Well done overall but lacking some complexities to be on par with the best of the style and maybe a tad too sweet.

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Photo of CRJMellor
4/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a deep maroon with brown highlights with little to no head. Carbonation very evident with small bubbles jumping off the bottom of the tulip and racing for freedom.
Aroma was heavy Belgian candy sugar, brown sugar, spicy yeast and some coriander and orange peel.
Flavor was sweet candy sugar, caramel, citrus orange hints some spicy yeast and hint of bitterness on the end.
Mouthfeel was very pleasant and wonderfully smooth throughout with a dry alocohol finish. Ever so slight cloying sweetness on the end which really didn't add or detract from the feel.
Drinkability was very high for 10.5% ABV, so watch out.

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3.47/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Very carbonated foggy deep amber brown body. Hosts a very quick fading light tan head, which is surprising considering the carbonation presence. Nose is very sweet with noticeable banana taffy kink of feel, also has honey and vanilla present. A buzz of banana, anise, and a back bone of slightly malty rich wheat. Alchol is soured somewhat but overall well hidden and doesnt impeed the brew. Does warm the belly well after about half way through. Slightly syrupy thick on the mouthfeel. A little sweet for everyday. Might age well though.

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Photo of cabsandking
3.82/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Quickly dissipating head sits above an attractive murky orange/brown brew. Aroma has some cherry notes, malty, sharp esters, and strong phenols. High alcohol put a zip on the palate and warmth in the gullet. Malts offer a nice range of characters with sherry wine, oak barrel char, bourbon, butterscotch, and brown sugar. There is a strong phenolic plastic flavor that is a little annoying and is also strong in the finish. Smokey, caramel, and ruby port wine notes increase as it warms. Medium body with a sticky medium mouthfeel.

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Photo of JohnGalt1
2.68/5  rDev -25.8%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2

12oz picked up in trades (sorry I don't remember everyone who has sent me one of these, I promise I am keeping better trading notes now.) Poured into my red wine glass and am still listening to Sasha's Involver mix.

Hazy muddy orange pour... waaaay to big of a head. Lacing is good.. but nothing even remotely great.

Bazooka Joe bubblegum, banana and harsh Belgian yeast spicyness dominate the nose.... sugar syrup with lively fruits.. plums... plums... a little bit nutmeg. Alcohol is hot... If it was warm enough, I could set it on fire.

Flavor is candy sweet... Hefeweizen banana and cloves... too much, way too much fruitiness... I normally need a little sweetness to tie together the Quad flavor nuances, but this is nearly off the charts. Mouthfeel is heavy/thick and cloying... I've been sitting on my last bottle of Bad Habit for close to a year now (thinking that time would do it well) ... My notebook reviews show the same disdain... although, this review is not nearly as bad as when I first had it back in January. I wrote, "Bad Habit needs a recipe reformulation and this bottle needs a LOT longer bottle time". That being said, I would really like to score another 4-6 of these and not touch them for 3-4 years.

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Bad Habit from Founders Brewing Company
Beer rating: 3.61 out of 5 with 114 ratings