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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) | Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
foundersbrewing.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.80%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

50 IBU

Added by BeerAdvocate on 08-31-2005

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Photo of YCantWeNotBeSober
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Aged 8 months in bottle. I've had this beer fresh and it tasted young w/cloying hop bitterness. Aging for a while seems to help mellow out the hops, balance the beer, and bring out a lot more flavors.

A- Pours a majestic wood-like amber color. off-white head quickly dissipates, although lacing is present.

S- Sweet malt, Vanilla, Dark fruits (prunes), hop floral aroma, bread

T- Taste follows the nose, starting with sweet, cereal-like maltiness fading to flavors of dark fruit, some pear and other fruits. Finishes with a pleasant dry woodsy bitterness.

M- Full-bodied, chewy, almost a syrup like presence left on the tongue.

O- Another great seasonal beer from Founders. A good cellar beer to stock up and age if you have the patience.

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Photo of dorianmarley
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance is opaque orange-brown with a light bubbly head and some lacing.

Nose is musty, with cherry juice and sweet, toasty malt.

Taste is buttery oak, with crusty bread, chewy malt, and a biscuit finish.

Mouthfeel is smooth, with plenty of carbonation.

Overall, it is a phenomenal blend of savory flavors.

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Photo of blackcompg
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance - Pours 2 fingers of a rich golden lightl orange mocha foam, body is a very opaque burnt orange amber with suspended sediments and lite carb, head dwindles to a solid cap and leaves a nice foam ring after each quaff.

Smell - Dark fruits, dark brown sugar, rich dark toffee, rich vanilla carmels, light oak, warm freshly baked fruit cake.

Taste - sweet over-ripe dark fruits, a slight sour plum cherry amaretto, dark carmels and toffee, some brown sugar and molasses, alcohol soaked vanilla bean and oak, finishes with light sour plumskins, complimentary alcohol and a touch of dry oak.

Mouthfeel - Nearly full and mouthcoating, carb is on the lighter side and silky smooth and soft across the tongue, leaves some very late edges at the very back of the tongue. Latent heat after each sip.

Overall - An excellent old ale, great balance and complexity, flavors are bold and distinct and all complimentary, nearly a perfect symphony, a pleasant warming alcohol heat after each sip. I've aged this one for 2 years before opening and it is silky smooth - fantastic!

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Photo of Avagadro
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Curmudgeon sports a red body that is fairly clear save for the sediment that floats in it. Head is creamy in color, and doesn't rely stick around long.

S: malty to the core, the bouquet offers caramel, vanilla, and a touch of rum.

T: flavor follows the bouquet's lead, with heavy vanilla notes followed by caramel and molasses.

M: full bodied and creamy. Carbonation is barely noticeable.

D: a great sipper if there ever was one. This brew shows the oak well, with heavy vanilla notes. This is one of my favorite Old Ales/Barleywines out there.

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Photo of domfreego
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%

A great beer that gets better with age, so cellar a few if you can.

Spice, fruit, and oak wash over you palate and very well balanced in this beer.

As other have mentioned the carbonation level is surprising low, the best thing I can compare its level to is that of a firkin aged beer.

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Photo of Bighuge
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

The pour creates a huge, thick crop of nicotine stained beige head. The retention of the oversized head is very good. The body of the beer is scarlet red. Aroma is a bit toxic and fruity. Like spiked punch. The taste, it turns out, is not toxic at all. Rather smooth and velvety. Very nice taste. Very little sign of alcohol. And very easy to drink. This is a solid Old Ale. Malts are so smooth on the palate. Fruitiness is very evident, but not overly estery in nature. Bits of caramel and toffee. This one got better as it warmed up and finished fabulously.

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Photo of atsprings
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a crisp deep amber almost brown with no head, just a ring. The aroma is loads of malts with slight underlying hops. The taste is wonderfully complex, burnt caramel, dried fruits, and molasses all blend nicely. The beer is slightly heavy but the alcohol is not overbearing. This is a very enjoyable beer, especially as it warms.

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Photo of atpben
4.5/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had this on tap at the Founders brewery. Poured into a pint glass. Pours a dark reddish orange color. Very flowery in the aroma with caramel and light vanilla creeping in. The taste was just amazing coconut and toffee combined - wow. Later on molasses and caramel apples came in. A very uniquely tasting beer. Mouthfeel is very thick and chewy. A nice smooth finish. A great night cap beer or after dinner beer. Founders needs to be in Texas NOW!!!

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Photo of MacMalt
4.49/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured a beautiful honey color with thick, milky head and light lacing; a very attractive beer. The smell is complex with fruit and spicy oakiness. The initial taste is the molasses and malts but is quickly followed by a blast of bitterness. Medium-bodied, pleasant mouth feel. Overall, I really like this beer and stock up when it's released in the Spring.

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Photo of deadchef
4.49/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

poured into a snifter....

a: slightly hazy, couple floaters. almost non-existing head. quickly dispersing head. copper/red color.

s: beautiful caramel, spice, sweet, bourbon and oak.

t: sweet, cola, bourbon, shortbread wafer, alcohol heat, carbon.

m: thick, medium carbonation.

o: this beer is amazing. lands in the night cap category. high alcohol with tons of bourbon characteristics. would go great with a sweet dessert.

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Photo of doktorhops
4.48/5  rDev +12.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Founders Curmudgeon, are you as amazed as I am that I haven’t reviewed you yet you misanthropic old geezer? ... didn’t think so. Well anyway here we are. I decided long ago I would make my way through the hundred odd beers that Founders brews and this is number 5 for me. Never has knowing you’ve got a mountain to climb looked so fantastic from the bottom, and with that thought - Founders Curmudgeon, an Old Ale, brewed with molasses and oak aged? Brilliant move Founders, brilliant move, time to see if that move pays off (he said knowing it will).

Poured from a 355ml bottle into a Duvel tulip.

A: Hazy russet body with a caramel-tinged half centimetre head that dissipates to a light lacing. The fact that it even has a head at all at 9.8% ABV is surprising enough (in a good way). 9/10.

S: MO-LASS-ES! And plenty of it on the nose, don’t think I’ve ever whiffed so much molasses in a brew before. Aroma-wise there’s not much more to say - this could be another FBS where they give you a single aroma and pack in a massive face-punch of flavour - I hope that’s what Founders is doing right now with this curmudgeon. 8/10.

T: And that is precisely what Founders have done. This is one creamy gooey molasses and caramel extravaganza, with characters of: Molasses, caramel, butterscotch, brandy with a dry/earthy hop and woody finish (it’s in the oak, yo). There is a decent amount of booze knocking about giving off a fusel (hot) alcohol note that the sugar, try as it might, it cannot hide. However it is still a tasty Old Ale with more complexity as it “opens” up. 9/10.

M: Heavy bodied, quite viscous, like some sort of molasses-flavoured beer molasses, with a light but very dense carbonation. This is a beer that wants to coat your tongue in its sticky-gooey majesty. Bring it on I say. 9/10.

D: What Founders have done with this, and FBS and Centennial IPA and FIS, et al. is craft a distinctly heavy-rich brash-bold in-your-face experience with every style they seemingly encounter. Not yet have I had a Founders beer and gone “that’s a bit average/bland” they seem to know where the envelope is, how to push it, and extract the maximum from every beer, and I man-love* the bastards for their no-compromise outlook on brewing, cheers Founders! 10/10.

Food match: Roast pork, roast vegetables, ROAST EVERYTHING!

*Which consists solely of a well-timed fist bump.

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Photo of BeerFMAndy
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle poured into my Corsendonk Christmas Ale Stem Glass. Bottled 2/24/09. Thanks to Sweemzander for this brew.

A - Lightly hazy amber with yellow and orange highlights. A light tan thick head floats on top. Moderate to low retention that left a thin right and tiny spots of lacing. Legs from the abv too.

S - Strong aroma coming fourth. Rich malts with a funk to them. Fruity - dark fruity - esters and despite 50 IBUs, no hop aroma. Brown sugar and molasses sweeten the aroma also. The finish is semi-spicy with moderate alcohol.
The weird thing about the aroma is that it smells EXACTLY like the smell that pours out of the vents at the body shop of the dealership I work at. I don't know what that is although, being the vents, it's probably either paint or clear-coat and my guess is clear-coat. (It has always smelled good to me anyway.)

T - Musky amber and caramel malts with a complex, almost indecipherable fruitiness to them and molasses with brown sugar sweetness finishing with a lightly bitter hoppy kick to the teeth. Mild spiciness from the alcohol and warming follows.

M - Smooth and creamy with ample carbonation (ample for the style but low) and a crisp, light alcohol burn on the way down.

D - Funky for most and definitely a sipping beer. It took me about 40 minutes to finish this and when I did my face felt like it was on fire. I want to get more of this gem but I think I'll wait for a cold winter day to continue enjoying this.

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Photo of twiggamortis420
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz bottle that has been aged about a year and a half. Pours a hazy amber color with a fine-bubbled cream colored head. Never gets above 2 fingers worth, even with an aggressive pour. Retention is ok and leaves sticky spots of lacing on the glass.

Smell is very malty, sweet malted milk balls with a bit of oxidation that seems to work well for most Old Ales. Somewhat fruity with a bit of red grapes and figs. Not much in the way of hoppy or yeast aromas.

Mmmm, this beast is dangerously drinkable...so smooth. Sweet malts are deliciously caramel and toffee. Really good brew! Just a touch of hop bitterness rounds things out on the back end and there is a whole wheat bread yeastiness that comes through nicely. I dont see how this could get too much better with more aging as it is drinking so good right now. Alcohol is camouflaged so well, barely detectable until you feel a little belly warming. Pretty amazing beer, another winner from Founder's.

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Photo of biggred1
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Ruby chestnut brown with tons of tiny suspended particles visable. Slight finger of fine tan foam that quickly melts and leaves very little lace behind. The nose is oaked vanilla, molasses, beet sugar and toffee maltiness. The flavor is sweet and complex, woody caramelized brown sugar with a touch of minty tasting hops struggling to balance. The high ABV is extremely well hidden. Mildly carbonated with a medium heavy, bordering on syrupy mouthfeel. Be careful with the curmudgean, he's a sneaky bastard, this beer is way to easy to drink at 9.8%.

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Photo of FtownThrowDown
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Again, thanks to Dave from Founders and Chuck the owner of the Dilly Deli in Cincy for hosting the Founders tasting event.
A: Nice, a little darker than amber color. No head and little lacing to speak of.
S: Nice smell of citrus and figs. Can pick up a little alcohol in the nose as well.
T: A little more of a kick than the bottle offers. The flavors are a little more pronounced in the tap offering. A stronger spiced coconut rum is noticeable. A very good offering on draft.
M: Very smooth and good. A little bit more harsh than the bottle due to the pronounced strength of the flavoring.
D: A very sessionable beer. Very smooth and tastes light. The alcohol is sure to catch up with you, but the trip to get there is well worth it.
What can I say, another great brew from Founders that I've gotten to experience on draft.

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Photo of bjohnson
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a dark amber color with a thin one finger off white head that dissipates quickly leaving only a tight circle of skim in the center of the glass and a nice soft looking rim around the edge. Some floaties, but I don't mind. Licorice and butterscotch notes. Earthy, woody, and spicy. Aged in bourbon barrels? Bourbon notes are actually quite strong, but not boozy. Vanilla aromas also are present.

Vanilla and dark fruit notes (figs and raisins) are the first to cross the taste buds. Bourbon barrel notes are noticeable but subtle like. Coconut flavors with a sweet softness. Citrus fruit notes aren't very big, but are noticeable as the brew warms up a bit. Nice spicy alcohol laden thickness, like that of a cloud, emanates from the walls of the mouth. Smooth mouthfeel. Booze is very present, but not the main player--it's big, but still subdued. An interesting and complex brew. One that I'm thankful for getting the chance to try.

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Photo of Dalem
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A very radiant dark amber color shines through an unfiltered cloudiness. A very, very minimal head that goes away almost as soon it's pour and lacing that slips down off the glass back to the edges of the beer with each sip. A scent's something akin to oak barrel aged bourbon is right up front then followed up a bit of vanilla, caramel, sweet malts and a general earthiness.
First taste already says this is a winner! The thick and creamy (but not too heavy) of a fullness fills the mouth, a bourbon sweetness tickles every corner but not to the extent of a whiskey sting because the malts subdue into an almost caramelized and soothing throat coat. The back of the throat gets a painted with a molasses, hazelnut and honey coat that makes some clear their throat between sips but each sip til the glass is done is a seductive and warm flirt of a 9.5 percent and 50 IBU's

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Photo of jayhawk73
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A- Pours a medium brown/amber/crimson with a finger of cocoa head which quickly disappears. Not much lacing or carbonation on this beer. Somewhat murky with crimson highlights when held up to the light. Looking forward to my first 'old ale'.

S- Wowsa. Love the smell of this. Oak, caramel, toffee, malt, vanilla (?). Very sweet, but almost like a port or after dinner drink. Fabulous. This one tastes as good as it smells and I'm in for a treat.

T- Wow. Very Nice. All the nose is here w/ a big malt backbone. Reminds me a little of a barleywine w/ less hops and more malt. I really like this beer, and will have to seek out more Old Ales. Really get that oak aged bourbon taste with this one- very nice.

M- Very smooth, w/ some alcohol burn, especially w/ the aftertaste. Love it. Very balanced, and takes you on a journey down an amazing path stopping just short of perfection.

O- This was my first experience w/ an Old Ale, but I really enjoyed it. Founders is a really fine brewer of beers, and I have not been let down by this one at all. In fact, this beer has made me want to search out others of this style. Highly recommended.

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Photo of stewart124
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Hazy amber in color with orange hues and lots of sediment. The head is small and doesn't linger.

Stong smells of caramel and I pick up a bit of cinnamon. There are also slight hints of the alcohol to come.

Very spicy with the first taste but this just mellows out as the beer warms and this just melts on my tongue. The mouthfeel and the after taste are just amazing; lots of caramel and a sweet malt/bready character.

There is a toffee and sweet caramel note in the finish which is great. The alcohol is subtle. This is really a nice beer.

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Photo of PsilohsaiBiN
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Looks like a golden, amber IPA.

Smell: Caramel with hops.

Taste: Delicious. Probably one of the most ideal balances of hop and malt I've ever encountered in a beer. It's sweet, but dangerously drinkable. Don't let the classification of "Ole Ale" throw you off, this is ridiculously awesome.

Mouthfeel: As usual with Founders, the mouthfeel of this brew can't be ignored. It's significantly thick, with not much carbonation, but despite that, the flavor that this carries just makes it drinkable as hell.

Overall: This was so much better than I thought it was going to be. In the meantime, Founders is simultaneously laughing and making better beer.

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Photo of mothmanscott
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Pours an opaque amber producing 3+ fingers of frothy, lasting, beige head that leaves nice chunky rings & webs of sticky lace. Aroma is toffee/molasses & fruitcake, bready malts, candy apple, thin dark fruits, herbal hops, booze & a whiff of pine. Taste is a malty caramel & toffee/molasses, fruitcake, boozy, some dark fruits, roasted nuts, wood/vanilla with a boozy-sweet, woody finish & aftertaste of caramel, toffee, wood & alcohol spice. Mouthfeel is heavy bodied with moderate carbonation, smooth, chewy & syrupy with prickles from front to finish. This is an absolute delight!

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Photo of Malted
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a barley wine glass.

Appearance: Deep dark brown with a tint of red. There appears to be some floating particulate matter (yeast?).

Smell: At first I as unimpressed with the malty herbal smell of the beer, but as I took more and more sips I began to notice that as I put the beer to my nose I smelled candy that made my mouth water for each sip. I still can’t place what candy I am smelling and it is driving me crazy. Cotton candy? No, I don’t think so… Caramels? Hmmm… Perhaps… In any case, I now think the smell is great and with each sniff I long for the next sip.

Taste- Much the same as the smell, the taste starts out malty and herbal. As the beer warms up it releases more of the candy taste. I can’t place the herbal taste either (what a lackluster job my palette is doing today), but it compliments the sweet candy taste.

Mouth feel- creamy and smooth.

Drinkability- This one hits you hard on the alcohol. 9.3%! But mmmm, you really don’t taste it at all. It goes down smooth and leaves you wanting more.

Overall- A wonderful beer. Flavorful, complex, and worth buying another even at its steep price tag of $3.79… I can’t really ask for more.

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Photo of flyers1980
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Single 12-ounce bottle bought from Capone's in Norristown, PA. Darkish, caramel, syrupy appearance, almost like a scotch ale married a red ale. Off-white, khaki head. Very malty and I was getting a very pungent aroma of, shall I say, an illegal substance? It smelled like I was at a Who concert. Dark, molasses, syrupy taste. A malt bomb with a boozy backbone. Hint of tobacco taste. Heavy and captures the "old, foggy, pier" feeling.

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Photo of TheBear11D
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle

Pours a cloudy dark amber color with a nearly white head that leaves pretty decent lacing.

The aroma is quite enjoyable. Fairly malty up front with caramel and mocha as the standouts with a good amount of alcohol (bourbon?)

I pick up plenty of caramel malt goodness and bourbon. There is some citrus, perhaps orange, in the undertones of the flavor and make only a brief appearance. The mix of these flavors all hang around in the aftertaste with caramel and bourbon more profound.

Has a pretty thick body despite the high ABV which is delightful. This is almost thick enough to chew.

This is a delicious beer that I highly recommend you try. Founder's impresses me once again which at this point is no surprise.

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Photo of jabergess
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Serving type - tulip glass, on tap

Appearance - typical for a barley wine. Medium brown with little head.

Smell - raisins, caramel, sweet.

Taste - this is the exciting part. Same as the smell, but with an alcohol warmth. The flavor is rich and heavy and coats the tongue, but in a good way.

Mouthfeel - exactly what I would expect for this style.

Drinkability - give me 5 more, but you'll have to drive me home.

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