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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) | Founders Brewing Company

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Founders Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
foundersbrewing.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.80%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Old ale brewed with molasses and oak-aged.

50 IBU

Added by BeerAdvocate on 08-31-2005

BEER STATS
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1,267
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4,607
Avg:
3.99
pDev:
10.53%
 
 
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Photo of johnd513
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Aggressively poured into my Duvel glass, this beer has a hazy auburn color with an almost non existent head. Smells fruity and sweet with caramel and alcohol. Tastes of malt and sweet fruit with honey and caramel flavors. This beer is very smooth with a medium body and is nicely carbonated with alcohol at the end. Overall this is a great choice from Founders. I usually would not go for something as sweet as this but I am loving every sip of this one. A must try.

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Photo of xav33
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Founders Curmudgeon Old Ale
12 oz bottle
Bottled 03/05 (?), grouched over 10/06
Medium pour in a snifter

Poured murky brown with a small beige fizzy quickly diminishing head and minimal ring of lacing.

Smelt strongly of raisins, figs, brandy, and light tutti frutti.

Taste was upfront strong sweet apple, candied fruits, figs and raisins, with a hint of spiciness, maybe cloves, followed by a moderate sweet sherry with hints of perfumey hops on an average finish that is reminiescent of dried apricots, with a light bitter grassy kick. Mouthfeel was medium to full bodied, silky, softly carbonated, and light cozy alcoholic warmth and slight astringency.

Overall, the flavors and aroma are out of this world. The malt is showcased very admireably but well balanced. Very light feeling for such a strong abv. I want another!

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Photo of Jamesthebrit
4.47/5  rDev +12%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

A: Maple syrup color with some floatys that don't seem to settle to the bottom. The head forms up golden and big.
S: Great smell, I could get a good wiff before I was finished pouring the beer. Smells sweet and oaky. No bad odors and very complex.
T: Sweet maple with a good amount of oak flavor. The alcohol comes through a lot at the end but it isn't off-putting. Tastes good but the flavors seem to come together dare I say a little too well. I'm having trouble identifying one individually.
M: Sits perfect. Carbonation is perfect and some flavors really start to develop.

Overall another really great showing from Founders. I was a little disappointed by the taste which didn't really bring any identifiable flavors. The alcohol really plays a good role in this beer and the mouthfeel and smell are really spectacular. Definitely a beer to drink slowly.

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Photo of SHDoyle
4.46/5  rDev +11.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Description: Dark amber, almost ruby, color with just a trace of white head. Aroma is powerful in this and you immediately get bourbon, molasses, caramel and brown sugar. The bourbon is very present in the taste as is the molasses which adds a nice sweetener to the malt. Mouthfeel isn't really velvety but is quite smooth all the same.

Suggested food pairing: A hearty beef stew

If you like this beer then you should also try: Old Stock Ale

Ideal time to drink this beer: After a long but successful day of hunting whales off the coast of New England. And I don't mean "whales" in the sense of a hard to acquire beer, I mean real, swimming, get-your-harpoon-ready, whales.

Overall: 4.5 (This beer is very good and I would definitely drink it again) Emblematic of the big flavors you usually find in a Founders beer, this one is solid from top to bottom. The molasses is the real star of the beer for me in that it adds another element or layer of complexity that you don't always find elsewhere. Despite the complexity, this beer still has an everyday, familiar, favorite pair of jeans feel for me. Maybe I have a special affinity for this beer as I come from a long line of curmudgeons and could very well be a curmudgeon myself some day. Who knows? Get off my lawn.

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Photo of HorseheadsHopHead
4.45/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottled on 2/06/14.

Comes in a completely turbid and opaque reddish brown color. Almost no head is produced, but wisps of lacing are still left along the inside of the glass.
It smells like canned plums in syrup, honey, sweet and sour cherries, toffee, vanilla, and oak.
The palate smacks of huge dark fruit and complex malt flavors. Cherries, dates, figs, plums, and raisins meet caramel, toffee, honey, wood smoke, and beets. Oak and vanilla are also there, smoothing things out. There's some warmth of booze on the finish, followed by a lingering sweetness.
The mouthfeel isn't super thick, more medium, but oily. Lightly carbonated.

Wow. Another success from Founders. They can do no wrong in my eyes.

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Photo of machostacos
4.45/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from 12oz bottle into a tulip. Bottle dated 4/9/11.

A: Rich ruby-amber color, clear as day, with a thin soapy eggshell-white head that leaves a thin film and collar that clings to the glass. Beautiful lacing. Looks gorgeous in my tulip!

S: Leather; aged, musty, water-logged wood; prunes and sticky dried figs; a little brown sugar; vanilla; bourbon-like alcohol burn. The alcohol is evident but well-incorporated even at only a month in the bottle.

T: Exactly like the aroma - like drinking an old leather-bound book dipped in molasses and bourbon. The oak aging is very apparent in the flavor: the wood and vanilla notes really pop. Luscious dark fruits like prunes and sticky figs, a little whole grain toast, and lots of bourbon-like alcohol. The alcohol vapors and vanilla hang in your breath. Damn, this is good.

M: A little thinner than I expected, though this is certainly no slouch. Oily and viscous, with little carbonation, though not as thick or chewy as I anticipated. Leaves a slick sensation in your mouth, along with some heat from the alcohol.

Overall, this is one of the best Old Ale's I've had (right up there with Bell's Third Coast Old Ale.) I'm sure this would be a real winner with a year or more of age on it to help mellow the booziness and build a little more character, but it's fantastic fresh as well. A really solid Old Ale by my favorite brewery!

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Photo of sitarist
4.45/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a deep amber color, almost ruby. Short khaki colored head falls to a ring that leaves quite a bit of lacing.

I smell caramel, burnt brown sugar, pecan, some allspice, syrup, and flap jacks. Its aroma is strong, yet balanced; it tickles my nose with each whiff.

Burnt brown sugar, raisins, toffee, caramel, tea, with a bitter nut flavor. Well done!

Sticky, but nut too much! Pretty heavy, quite astringent, its like a nuclear assault on my tongue.

Another great beer from Founders! Perfect beer on this cold, rainy evening.

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Photo of craftbeersweden
4.45/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I just LOVE this beatiful beer!

I pours hazy, dark amber/mahogny with a one finger high, beige head.

Nose: Caramel malt, brown sugar, syrup, fudge, biscuit, plum, molasses, oak and dried fruit. A really peasant nose!
Taste: Caramel, sweet cookies, malt, syrup, molasses, oak and plum.
Mouth: Full body and complex texture. Medium to high carbonation.
Smooth taste!

As I said - Beatiful!

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Photo of TheSarge
4.44/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured this one into a German Pilsner tulip.

Doesn't produce much head, but what is there is a pinky thick light tan presentation. The body is hazy and dark copper in color.

The nose is spicy and dry red wine like. There is also a floral aroma along with a fragrance of ginger or something of that nature.

The taste of this brew is red wine like, along with a toasted dark bread bluntness... Very creamy and maybe a little oily slickness, and warming to the palate in the end.

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Photo of titty_mcbitty
4.44/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Dark orange ruby color with almost no head.

Smells like wood, raisins, and dark fruits.

If this is chilled, the flavors are muted to raisins and malt. But as it warms I get figs, oak, maple, dates, graham cracker, caramel, candy, and more. The complexity takes on a life of its own, and I think that the molasses is responsible.

The mouth feel is a little rough around the edges, but not bad. It's fairly heavy with a good amount of carbonation. There's a spiky bite at the end, which may come from hops, or something else?

Overall this beer is tasty, and I think it would improve with age. Thus, I'm going to age one and check in in a year!

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Photo of gmcfarre
4.44/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz bottle poured into traditional pint glass

A - Pours a surprisingly clear ruby color with a minimal off-white head. Minimal lacing. Beautiful color, not much else.

S - Intense sweetness with a nice woody flavor for balance. Plum, raisin and dark currants with some smooth vinous qualities. Alcohol is a strong component.

T - Smooth with strong sweetness from beginning to end. Not to say that its not complex. Loads of dark fruit flavor: plum, raisin, dark grapes. Vanilla and a delightful earthy, wood flavor. Strong alcohol bite develops at the finish as this beer warms. Beautifully complex, and true to its name.

M - Rich and full body with a smooth mouthfeel. Sharp alcoholic bite at the finish.

D - Delicious flavor stays accurate throughout. High alcohol in flavor doesn't necessarily translate to high alcohol in effect and drinkability. A terrific brew from Founders.

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Photo of dryndantheman
4.44/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Had this on cask previously enjoying it many times from the bottle.

L: It pours a nice orange tinted brown with a small white head that dissipates quickly.

S & taste:The smell is strong on the malts and has a bit of molasses/other things going o. Initial taste is the same with a nice bit of fruit with some oaky bitterness coming in.

F: Extremely smooth and easy to drink, had a slight heaviness to it but in a good way (like a nice porter)

It was great value at €6 a pint but deceptively strong at 9.8%. Pity is is only ever in the pub for 5 days at most a year.

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Photo of violanojblues
4.44/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Appearance - dark amber/honey brown. pretty cloudy (i think i got a little too much yeast in my glass). i heard there's not much head on these so i poured it somewhat aggresively. the result was a nice light tan head which hung around pretty long and left little lacing.

Smell - wow! very sweet, vanilla and butterscotch-y with a boozy finish.

Taste - not as complex as it smelled. a really nice barrel-aged strong ale. not over-flavored as some beers in this catagory can be. very clean tasting.

Mouthfeel - kinda light with a mellow boozy aftertaste. slightly chewy.

Drinkability - very smooth. the sweetness works well with the 9.8% ABV.

a nice sipper on a crisp, autumn, michigan evening.

i look forward to buying this again.

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Photo of farrago
4.44/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

One finger of orange-tan hued head, mostly dense foam but all kinds of bubble sizes found, foamy lacing as well, clings then slowly slides downwards. Brick red, rust color to more dark amber orange further out, warm and murky glow throughout. Sweey, jiggling jelly roll of a nose, brown sugar and molasses, sure, also coconut shavings, orange marmalade, crème brûlée and French vanilla ice cream, satisfyingly sweet but not insipidly ingratiating, firms up as it sits in your nostrils. Medium-bodied and actually a lot lighter in its feet than one might expect given the sweetness factor. Molasses, caramel, cocoa, cinnamon and coconut cream waste no time in asserting themselves, soft and inviting, at the same time the carbonation subtly lifts things up and prods them forward. Rich peach, apricot, nectarine fruit flavors too while tangerine and pink grapefruit citrus abounds. Full finish that fills the belly and makes you want to refill the empty glass.

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Photo of orfeu
4.43/5  rDev +11%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Pizza Plant on Transit in Williamsville, NY. Awesome, since I've never seen any Founders beers anywhere in WNY. Served in a goblet. Hazy mahogany. Thin but dense beige cap. Utterly beautiful sticky lacing. Nose is quite faint: roasty caramel malts, bourbon, fruity esters, mild citrusy-floral hops. Port-like flavor; rum-soaked citrus peels, piney bitterness all on a sturdy cherry and caramel malt platform. 9.3% abv is apparent, but not inappropriately so. Rich, full mouthfeel; medium bodied and assertive. This is really tasty stuff, but the alcohol strength is definitely of the ass-kicking variety. I'd love to have more than one of these, but it would require that I have a DD. Top notch.

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Photo of NCSUdo
4.43/5  rDev +11%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle

A: Deep amber under a small tan head. No lace, no retention.

S: Nice fruity aroma mixed with some wood, vanilla, citrus and piney hop. Incredibly nice aroma.

T: Nice taste, fruit is a little less, wood and vanilla character much more apparent. Very balanced, decent hit of bitterness in the finish with a splash of alcohol.

M/D: Surprisingly not so heavy, full bodied, but carbonation is low, and it feels light (but still on the heavy end of the spectrum). Good drinkability. Delicious beer. Superb.

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Photo of jerrytrey
4.43/5  rDev +11%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

I am a huge fan of Founders but generally do not find Old Ales that I like out there. That made the Old Curmudgeon an interesting and bold purchase for me personally. The blend of overall sweetness along with the thickness in feel and overall complex flavors to old ales has made it difficult for me to find one I love.

I poured a 12oz bottle medium speed into a beveled 16oz NERAX pint glass. The beer poured out showing a strikingly perfect color for my tastes in a beer like this: a blend of brown caramel and burnt pumpkin orange colors surrounded the glass while at an angle looking upwards towards the thin head I see a deeper brown, almost like a stained mahogany. I know this is a "thick" beer and I haven't had a taste. Smell was of slight vanilla, caramel and raisin. No single smell seemed outright dominant. Extremely pleasurable smell in this beer. Upon first taste I am almost overwhelmed. First opinion was that this was indeed a "thick" beer. The mouthfeel was a tad surprising at first but soon I adjusted and the thickness of the beer was preferred. I soon realized how wonderfully balanced tasting a beer of this complexity is. Malty to my tastes, but not in a bad way. Just the right amount of caramel and mild malt balances things out by cutting the smack you get from the strength of the beer. This makes this beer very, very drinkable despite the punch it packs. I'm not 100% sold that I want a beer with this much action in the mouthfeel (initial lip hit, tongue fall of the beer, the follow-up coating of the tongue with thickness of the malt) but if you know you want an Old Ale, this has to come recommended. I think this is a solid A- on my personal scale. Only reason I say it can improve is the mouthfeel to me at this young age is still really thick. I have 3/4 of the pack down in the cellar for aging. I strongly believe this is a candidate with some aging and will be researching to see just how long people have been holding this for.

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Photo of willic
4.43/5  rDev +11%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Dark amber or copper, medium dark head, appears thin
Aroma: Intense! Sweet dried fruits? Toffee?
Flavor: Come to mama! The intensity builds in your mouth! Oaky, creamy, complex
Mouthfeel: Thin in body, with smoooooth texture and fun carbonation
Overall: VERY impressive beer! I really enjoyed!!!

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Photo of EMV
4.43/5  rDev +11%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Had on-tap at the Yard House in Orlando, poured into a snifter.

L: Pours a deep opaque mahogany color. Two fingers of off-white head left some attractive lacing.

S: Malts and candy, cloves and molassas... like all the great spices that go into gingerbread cookies. Dark fruits as well.

T/F: Malty and boozy with lots of sweets and spicy flavors. Molassas and brown sugar nicely complement hints of cinnamon and cloves. Nice alcoholic warmth and a clean finish. Light on the carbonation and a bit thick and chewy.

O: This crotchety old bastard from Founders drinks like a meal... or a dessert. This is a great old Ale, and one I will definitely be re-visiting. Founders rarely disappoints.

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Photo of MattyG85
4.42/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from 12 oz. bottle into a Sam Adams pint glass.

Appearance: A deep and cloudy orange amber with a small white head that fades into a patchy layer. Decent lacing.

Smell: Strong aroma of caramel and toffee malts with vanilla, cherries, and hints of dark fruits. Also hints of oak, citrus, and booze. Smells pretty sweet.

Taste: Malty sweetness up front from the caramel, toffee, vanilla, and dark fruits. Has a nutty character. Finishes with some grassy hop bitterness mixed with a light kick of booze.

Mouthfeel: Medium to high body with a light to medium carbonation. Fairly smooth and creamy considering the alcohol.

Overall: A nice tasting old ale that is pretty easy drinking considering the alcohol.

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Photo of abfraser
4.42/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a deep opaque mahogany with a nice sized white head.

S: Caramel malt, candi sugar, dark fruits (cherry) and coconut

T/M: Damn is this good. Alcohol and sugar soaked cherries. Big malt profile. Lingering spice and maybe some toffee. Full-bodied, creamy mouthfeel. This is awesome stuff

D: I could drink this all night even though it would leave me horrendously hung over. It just might be worth it.

An awesome beer. I actually prefer this over the Breakfast Stout, which while a great brew, is a little overrated in my book. For those that like old-style ales, this one is worth seeking out.

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Photo of Mosley1212
4.42/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Enjoyed at The Distillery in Savannah, GA on my way back from a wedding this weekend (congrats, Kris!). Poured into a Founders snifter.

A--Light golden brown color. No head at all. Had lots of yeasty-looking floaties in the beer. It allowed a lot of light into it.

S--Warm smell of caramel and brown sugar. Then there was an earthy quality to it that had a slight leather smell. It also had a dark fruits scent (plums, raisins, dates).

T--Followed the nose. It had caramel and brown sugar up front that was a very pleasant sweet. Then the earthy flavor of leather came through. It finished with a bit of booze and the dark fruits.

M--It had a slightly watery feel to it. The booze was present toward the end and lingered for a bit as well.

O--This was a fantastic brew. It didn't taste much like an old ale to me, though. It tasted like a perfectly aged barleywine. I would go back to this beer again if I come across it.

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Photo of djeucalyptus
4.42/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

pours into a goblet a glowing orange-cider hue with a thin head hinting at retention but ultimately receding quickly to a thin collar, leaving chunky sticky lacing sporadically down the glass. A fair bit of hazy sediment glowing through the glass.

aroma is incredibly rich once the brew is allowed to warm. Notes of scotch, raisins, plum, cinnamon, anise, alder and oak, cardamom, leather, smoke and peat. Rich, complex, dark. cherries, cassis and persimmon. Sherry and a touch of bourbon.

Taste follows aroma in a menagerie of complexity that's difficult to pinpoint, yet undeniably delicious. Rich dark fruits, a strong alcohol presence, and a woody, smoky, leathery earthiness. Cherries, raisins, figs. bourbon, a touch of sherry, and a hint of whiskey. Oak, alder, birch, sarsaparilla, a touch of ginger, pepper, anise, and cardamom. a bit of peat, loamy, earthy and rich. vibrant.

Mouthfeel is dead on for the style. Thick, rich, and full, with just enough carbonation to keep it alive. Coats the tongue beautifully without being too heavy. a perfect sipper with just enough bitterness to counteract the syrup sweet.

Impressive old ale. Definitely a nice interpretation of the style. a bit muddled at points, and a bit undefined at others, but all in all a delicously drinkable brew. I'm really wishing I hadn't just finished the last drop - this is one I could sip on all night. The alcohol, while strong in flavor, is really not potent in a cloying sense. Hides relatively well, making this one solidly drinkable.

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Photo of Amesjeep
4.42/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Appearance - Dark Copper in color with a slight head.

Smell - Amazing smell, light molasses smell, followed by caramel malts, and finishes with an almost Belgian yeast aroma.

Taste - Well balanced flavor, sweet yet defined. Finishes like and old ale should.

Mouthfeel - Smooth with some bite, just the right amount of carbonation for this style of ale

Overall - Well Done!!

Poured into a snifter from 12oz. bottle on 10/7/11, bottled on 04/09/11

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Photo of ovaltine
4.42/5  rDev +10.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Look: Rich amber, 1-1/2 fingers of opaque white head.

Smell: The oak is present, but the molasses and toffee aromas sneak in to make your mouth water.

Taste: The oak takes a vanilla flavor, and the molasses and toffee flavors balance that perfectly. This is a traveshamockery good dessert beverage, if you choose to go down that path.

Feel: Nice carbonation for a beverage this big, the malt bill is a syrupy balance that fits this beverage very well.

Overall: I have a bottle of KBS aging in my beverage fridge that I just assumed would go to the head of my Founders class. That is no longer a safe assumption after enjoying this magnificent Old Ale. Well done by an iconic American brewer.

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Founders Curmudgeon (Old Ale) from Founders Brewing Company
3.99 out of 5 based on 4,607 ratings.
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