Nemesis 2010
Founders Brewing Company

Nemesis 2010Nemesis 2010
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American Barleywine
4.19 | pDev: 10.5%
Founders Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Nemesis 2010Nemesis 2010
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Photo of npolachek
4.25/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Friend finally cracked this one after aging it for 9 years! It aged very nicely, and was lest boozy over time (per my friend who had it fresh 10 years ago).

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Photo of KevSal
4.1/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

reviewed blind

stubby into my fw glass

a-dark cola colored with a thin half inch tan head

s-dark fruits followed by some oxidation, possible bourbon in the faint background, this guy is definitely getting up there with age

t-follows the nose, lots of dark fruits than some oxidation and than more dark fruits/possibly barrel? it taste up there with age

m- mouthfeel is thick, carbonation is on the lower side. this guy drinks 7-8% but i’m guessing its up towards 12-13% mellowed with age

o- this was fun, the second half was WAY better than the first half, it really opened up and had some very tasty flavors

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Photo of stevoj
3.59/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle thanks to Toby. Dark amber with a small beige head. Sweet malts in the aroma and taste, some root beer barrels, cola. Kind of sweet. and sticky.

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Photo of UcDru
4/5  rDev -4.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle

Pours jet black almost still.. Big notes of tobacco, chocolate, roasted coffee on nose and palate. Mouth feel is viscous almost chewy and bit of a hop presence on back end. Coming through slightly oxidized however the low carb level i think is an attribute to this beer.

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Photo of ghostwalker
4.41/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle received as an extra in a trade some years ago. Guess I had better drink it.

Appearance is interesting. Dark brown, almost black body, thin white head.

Nose is sharp, piney hops with a caramel or molasses sweet malt component.

Flavor is dark and rich, sharp hops show up midway and dominate the finish. Smooth caramel malt slides across the tongue.

Tangy and tantalizing on the palate. The low carb does not prevent this from being a pleasure to sip.

Almost a black IPA, almost a Double Bastard type strong ale. This is a delicious and unique brew. For an older beer, this has held up remarkably well in my cellar. The hops are still huge. Wish I had sampled this while fresh as well.

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Photo of rodbeermunch
3.47/5  rDev -17.2%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A dark brown beer essentially, rolls red to the edge thin lighter brown head, 1/5". Aroma was hot. Boozy.

Taste had more heat. Lots of caramel, hops, bitterness, malt, alcohol. Some brown sugar, toffee notes.

A good not great barleywine.

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Photo of rand
3.13/5  rDev -25.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.25

From 12 oz bottle to snifter. Been sitting in the back of my mini-fridge for 4 years now.

A: Cola-brown, thinner appearance than expected. Not much of a head to speak of.

S: Earthy grain and booze. Disjointed bouquet with notes of copper, wood. Hoppy strain as well, surprising given how old it is.

T: Raisin and booze are noted first. Oaky, grainy. Minerally aspect as the flavors unravel, tastes oxidized a bit. A healthy dose of hop essence at the back of the sip, really unexpected given the brew's age. The bittering aspects bleed into warming booze and a lingering, medicinal sweetness.

M: Chewy mouthfeel, but lighter than excepted. Lots of scrubbing bubbles - if it was oxidized it was from the bottling

Not a bad BW, but nothing remarkable. I figured I'd sit on this bottle for awhile, but it hindsight that probably wasn't the best idea given this was a one-off. Given the amount of carb left in the bottle, though, my guess is that this just isn't a very good brew.

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Photo of JoeMans
4.52/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

via Trade:

A: Deep, dark amber color. Minimal lacing that dissipates quickly.
S: Minimal sweetness, dried fruit, syrupy nose. Got a bit of smoke towards the end.
T: This beer starts out strong, and finishes with some dry dark chocolate. As it develops the thickness intensifies, the bitter chocolatey notes drop but the sweetness retains.
M: Thick and rich boozey notes, full body and a very long finish.
O: I've never had this beer fresh, but after 4 years its really solid. Almost 2 different beers from start to finish. I hope Founders will revisit this like they're doing to some other older brews.

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Photo of jzeilinger
3.85/5  rDev -8.1%

Many thanks to LeperJim for this bottle.

A - Pours an opaque dark brown color and creates a very thick ring of toffee colored foam around the surface, lots of legs when the glass is swirled.

S - Molasses, figs, dates, raisons, toasted brown sugar, and the alcohol is extremely light in the
nose, especially for 12%. Aroma is sweet and dark fruit forward.

T - On the very first sip, BANG! there's the ABV! Quite boozy up front before getting buried by
a wall of toasted toffee, raisons, figs, dates, and finishes with some light pine and citrus bitterness with lingering toasted brown sugar sweetness in the background.

M - Rich full body, silky on the tongue, some booze effervescence travels up through the nose,
light to moderate warming in the back of the throat, very sticky on the lips from the heavy malt

O - Has held up surprisingly well at (4) years out. Mellow and easy drinking.

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Photo of bushbeer75
4.3/5  rDev +2.6%

12 oz brown bottle - purchased 9/8/2010

Founders Nemesis 2010 changed the color of my clear glass snifter to a dark brown almost black hue with a slight red cast around the edges. A 1/4-finger tan head was produced that shrunk to a collar of bubbly foam.

The nose was dominated by dark roasted malts, dark fruits and burnt toast also comes to mind. The taste begins sweet; of dark fruits, raisins, figs with brown sugar, toffee and black licorice. After 4-years the 100 IBU's have faded, however, there still is enough hop presence at the finish; The mouth feel is thick, smooth/creamy as well as a little chewy with a full body.

Nemesis 2010 drinkability after 4-years is fantastic - hard to believe this ale is 12% ABV. Sure wish I had another bottle!!

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Photo of kojevergas
3.43/5  rDev -18.1%

BOTTLE: attractive blue label art. 2010 vintage. 12 fl oz brown glass. Branded pry-off pressure cap.

Courtesy of the very generous Duff27.

Reviewed live. Expectations are very high given the brewery and style (Backwoods Bastard might be my favourite barleywine). 12.00% ABV. 100 IBUs.

Served at fridge temp and allowed to warm over the course of consumption. Side-poured with extra vigor as slight undercarbonation is anticipated given the beer's age. Served into Mitchells of Lancaster stemware.

No bubble show forms as it's poured.

HEAD: One finger wide. Pale khaki colour. Consistency is great: smooth, even, thick, and creamy. Has a nice soft complexion.

Retention is good for the high ABV - about 5 minutes. No lacing sticks to the sides of the glass as the head recedes.

BODY: Dark brown-black. Opaque; no yeast particulate or hop sediment is visible.

Appears well-carbonated. Not unique or special for a barleywine, but appealing. The head is nice.


AROMA: Dark malts, cream, caramalt, schwarz malts, toffee, marshmallow, a kiss of dark fruit (mainly raisin, but maybe prune or date), and a subtle hint of oxidation - which works well here. Black strap molasses. Burnt sugars. Hints of piney hop notes. Some vanilla. Traces of resinous hop notes. A kiss of spruce on the backend, as well as a handful of mint-y herbal hops.

A pleasant aroma of mild strength.

TASTE: Fantastic. The heavy dark & schwarz malt core brings the conventional sweetness, but it's well balanced by a surprisingly assertive hop presence (at least, assertive given it's 4 years old) and touches of cream and vanilla, which mellow out the flavour profile. Faint raisin. Marshmallow.

It's well-balanced, and has some lovely flavours; the cream and the marshmallow work beautifully alongside eachother, and the subtle vanilla is lovely. The delicate hop notes lend it impressive complexity; the subtle piney, sprucey, and resinous hops fit in perfectly here. This is almost a gestalt build; it's certainly cohesive and boasts superb amplitude of flavour.

Good depth of flavour. Average duration and intensity of flavour.

No yeasty notes or spices come through in the taste. I quite like this.

TEXTURE: Nicely soft. Creamy. It's silky on the backend, but starts out smooth albeit lumpy. Full-bodied, with a lurking alcohol presence but no overt booziness or heat. Has sufficient weight and heft on the palate, enabling this big heavy texture to support the big heavy flavours. Overall presence on the palate is good; this texture complements the taste well. A bit overcarbonated.

Not oily, astringent, harsh, gushed, or scratchy.

OVERALL: It's a very drinkable barleywine which hits each note right but doesn't try for anything more. This seems like it'd make an excellent base for a bourbon-barrel aged beer. Hides its ABV well. It's a solid beer in the style from Founders, but Founders has done better. The marshmallow is a real highlight here. I wish this were still available. Very well done.

Huge thanks to Duff27 for the chance to try this.

High B-

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Photo of TWStandley
4.33/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Grabbed this one out of the cellar, poured into my KtG snifter.

Appeared a dark brown nearly purple color with a quickly dissipating off white head.

Immediately hit with sweet smells of plums, raisins, dates and figs and a slight hop bitterness. Very potent smelling.

Taste is quite potent as well. Definite dark fruits followed by a bit of leathery taste and almost a slight tartness. Finishes a bit bitter from the hops but when I had this a few years back I remember it being quite a bit more bitter. Time has done this one well. Not a whole lot of alcohol detected.

Barely carbonated mouthfeel and still nice and thick.

Overall, a delicious treat!

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Photo of jaasen64
3.85/5  rDev -8.1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

12oz bottle poured into Founders tulip. Consumed right after Nemesis 2009.

A- Pours a dark brown that appears an opaque black in the glass, thin off-white head forms that recedes to a still top with some bubbles along the sides of the glass, carbonation level seems to be a little bit better then the '09.

S- Aromas of dark malts, licorice, cola, faded hops, and some oxidation. Not a ton going on and not overly aromatic, nothing off-putting though.

T- Slick malts, cola, heavy black licorice, light chocolate malts, finishes with cola, dark malts, and very slight faded hop presence. Hops are all but gone, there's a light bitterness on the finish but nothing too much. Overall '09 Nemesis was tastier and more complex.

M- Medium bodied, very slick feel, not overly carbonated, pretty drinkable for the abv.

O- Despite the hops having faded this has held up fairly well although it wasn't quite as complex or tasty as the '09 Nemesis. Oxidation is starting to get to this but although the hops have faded for the most part in the taste and aroma they are still acting as a nice preservative keeping the beer from getting overly oxidized. I would recommend drinking this sooner then later but it will probably hold up decently well for another couple years.

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Photo of blackcompg
4.86/5  rDev +16%
look: 4.25 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

I've been waiting for this for awhile now, hopefully not too long - this review is for Founders Nemesis from 2010, here we go...

Appearance - Pours nearly a finger of tan mocha creamy foam which comes down to a smooth lite cap in a minute, the body is a nearly opaque deep warm brown color with garnet raisin highlights,

Smell - Ooohhhh rich malts, ripe warmed dark fruits, sweet maple, brown sugar, well done fruit cake, dates, figs, rum cake, cooked breakfast cereal like barley or oatmeal, and some very light dried grassy floral hops.

Taste - Wow... very much like the nose, the first sip begins almost an explosion of deep dark sweet fruits over the tongue - fig, raisin, dates, ripe plums, all coated in cooked brown sugar and dark toffees, there is some natural maple here too, even a small ribbon of semi-sweet dark chocolate. Then rich roasty malts enter the picture - not enough to ad bitterness, but to add depth and breadth of flavor, then the sweetness just barely begins to give way and I get anise and semi-sweet black licorice, and then comes what I've been waiting for - even after 4 years, the 100 IBU's wrestle through and begin to appear - first as dried grass, then light citrus pith, and then a wonderful flavor of pine - all of these wearing a robe of slightly sweetened dark molasses. There is a very gently heat that accompanies all of this, completely complimentary and surprisingly concealed, especially at 12% ABV.

Mouthfeel - This is a full bodied beer, no doubt. Silky smooth and mouthcoating, but not heavy. Carb is quite low, but adds a soft texture to the quaff. There is some very light and welcome tingle along the sides and back of the tongue. This is a wonderful sippe but so very drinkable that I find myself needing to make myself take my time - savoring every sip, as I may never see this one again.

Overall - I am really enjoying this. I love the dark fruits, the maltiness, and I love how well the hops still represent themselves - the mouthfeel is perfect - my only wish is that I had a time machine to try a fresh bottle to follow this one. If you come across a 2010, pick it up, and savor one of Founders finest beers, and a rich and complex barleywine that easily holds it's own after 4 years. Cheers!

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Photo of Stevedore
4.2/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle courtesy of Campbell. Thanks man! Poured into a Founders snifter today, 4/22/2014.

A- Medium dark caramel brown. Half finger mocha head with minimal retention as expected. Splotchy lacing.

S- Holy malt. Nice leafy hop presence is dominated by a big caramel, toffee malt presence. Very sweet but what remains of the hops is still enough to keep it interesting.

F- Caramel, toffee, coffee, milk chocolate. Sweetness reminds me a good bit of maple syrup (i.e. Better Half). The 100 IBUs on the label certainly isn't all here, but a good chunk of it is still around to keep things somewhat balanced with a good bit of piney bitterness, but make no mistake this is a malty barleywine. Very good and still complex despite how sweet it is.. I do think this is probably starting to fall apart a little bit. No off flavours.

M- Medium bodied, low carbonation, very sweet and balanced finish. No hint of the 12% ABV at all.

O- Very good aged barleywine but this is probably at its last vestiges of drinkability at this point. If you have any, drink it now.

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Photo of alpinebryant
4.2/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

2010 Vintage poured into Goose Island Tulip

A: Pours a dark chocolate color with some light dusting on top. Visible carbonation rising, mocha colored small bubbles.

S: Aroma of deep rich caramel, chocolate malt and a healthy dosing of bittering hops as well as aroma hops. Some coffee and prominent licorice scents.

T: Very bitter off the bat, early hop additions, and sweet malt caramelized sugar presence. Chocolate and coffee flavors strong and licorice at the end of the spectrum. Toffee and cotton candy blend together nicely and have a very interesting blend of flavors. The one thing I get at the end is a little cardboard presence. Slight oxidation to an otherwise very flavorful beer. For a 3 year old beer, I am enjoying the flavoring hops and the oxidation seems to be the only drawback.

M: Medium to full body mouthfeel, slightly thick.

O: Overall a very good barleywine. I wonder if they will brew this again one day or if it will make it to distribution again.

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Photo of gatornation
3.86/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

bottled 070610
A-pours a mahogany /black color with some amber hues nice 1 finger khaki head that settles but leaves clinging lacing looks great after 3.5 years
S-hops still with licorice, coffee,charcoal,wood and dark fruits
T- citrus hops are still here its now alot sweeter not as pronounced with the malts but has fig and raisin with licorice and charcoal tastes
M-sweet creamy still hoppy with very little Alcohol heat
O- i should have bought more this held up outstanding was really surprised at the hop presence its nice to see a brew hold up so well like this

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Photo of Seanniek91
3.87/5  rDev -7.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Served from a 12oz bottle into a Crooked Stave tulip. Vintage 2010 obviously. Cellar temp.

Appearance- Black with one finger of sticky bubbly mocha head that lasted about a minute and left some nice lacing.

Smell- Strong presence. Don't even need to lift it to my nose to smell it and I have a cold while writing this. Sweet bourbon and cherry, caramel malts, oak, vanilla, light cocoa. Reminds me of Adam.

Taste- Ok the hops are still there. I imagine they were real aggressive when fresh. Light vanilla, coffee, oak, muted earthy hops. No booze taste, but heat is there. The hops really linger.

Mouthfeel- Smooth, moderate carbonation, medium booze heat, and hop lingering dryness at the finish.

Overall- Was this beer fantastic three years ago? I bet it was. Is it past it's prime now? Maybe. Not a bad beer, but I imagine it was far superior fresh. The hops that remain are quite astounding actually. A unique beer that people should try if they can find one.

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Photo of ehammond1
4.01/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

Bottle (2010)

Acquired via trade
Thanks, 1noa!

(Aged for 3 years)

Nearly black in color, though truly a very dark brown. Small to moderately-sized dark brown head of moderately sized bubbles. Decent stick, especially for the age and known (somewhat) high ABV.

I really like the aroma on this quite a bit. Lots of dark malts, a touch of coffee, definite oxidation, but complementary, just a hint of a licorice character, and some raisin. All very nice and appropriate for a 3-year old black barleywine.

The flavor is nice, as well, with the dark malts, oxidation, raisin, and very mild licorice character combining nicely. The lingering finish is very nice. Though there's a little bit of a char character, there's also some chocolate candy bar and mild roast that seems to go real nice together that just lingers on and on.

Medium to close to full in body for the style. Somewhat chewy. Moderate carbonation for the style.

Very tasty. I wouldn't want to sit on this any longer. Drink now if you're still holding on to bottles.

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Photo of imscotty
4.55/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Sept. 2013 Update. Enjoyed my very last bottle for my birthday. Still great but I would say it is on the other side of peak. Drink now.

March 2013 review below:
A: Pours a slightly translucent reddish black. Little head or lacing but fairly well carbonated.

S: Malt, caramel, alcohol, vanila, fig, cherry, some earthy tones.

T: The taste has smoothed out since I had it fresh two years ago. The hops are mostly gone and now the deep malty caramel tastes stand out. Not sweet, this has aged quite nicely, I do not see it improving any more with age so enjoy one now. There is a nice bitter roast finish to this beer. Deeper, subtle earthy tones linger on the tongue.

M: Still nicely carbonated, medium bodied.

O: This is a great beer with big bold flavor. I would not call this a classic style American Barlywine, more of a hybrid beer. Whatever its designation, I could drink this everyday. If only I could, I wish I had stocked up when I had the chance. A great, bold, complex and balanced beer.

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Photo of AndyAvalanche
3.93/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle poured into a snifter style glass. While pouring it, the liquid looks to be a cherry cola brown color. When it settles the beer looks dark brown like a hearty porter or stout. When held up to the light it's got some deep amber red highlights and you can slightly see it in the middle as well. What you can see through, there's some pretty good clarity. Nice thick frothy head off white tan color it's mostly small bubbles on the lower part of the about two and a half finger cap but larger bubbles towards the top. Goes away after a little bit with mediocre lacing.

Smell is good. Maybe some dark dehydrated fruits, brown sugar, ripe grapefruit peel, hops and maybe some hints of chocolate with a strong roasted malt grain. All good and well blended.

Taste is good, probably a slight step up from the smell. Tastes a lot more roasty and malty. Some figs maybe with some citrus hops, blood orange and grapefruit zest. Brown sugar and a touch of alcohol.

Mouthfeel is pretty good for the style. Certainly full bodied, big and bold. Hop bitterness is there even though this is a 2010 beer. Sweet, and smooth start with slightly dry somewhat earthy finish. Well balanced and a quality all around brew from Founders.

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Photo of StoneTSR
4.2/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

APPEARANCE: Looks more like a Brown Ale or a Porter than a Barleywine, this is very dark brown in color. The head only last for about ten seconds, but while it's there it is a dark eggshell color and about an eighth of an inch thick. There is no lacing at all.

SMELL: It actually smelled better out of the bottle than when it was poured into the glass. I have to say this was a first for me. In the bottle all of the typical, sweet Barleywine smells came through strong. When it was poured into the glass they all seemed to fade a little bit and a lot of unexpected, smoky aromas came through. It was still quite pleasant, but not as intense as I would like.

TASTE: The first thing that stands out to me is how well the hops have hung in there. This is still a hoppy beer three years in. The finish is quite bitter and the hops are supplemented in their bitterness by hints of coffee and dark chocolate. The sweeter flavors all come first though, caramel, toffee, vanilla and some sweet spices greet the palate while some banana and other dark fruits dance around in the background.

MOUTHFEEL: Someone below me said this was medium bodied. I'd have to disagree, to me it was very big. Sweet and complex throughout, but drying as it goes down. Very smooth and drinkable with a complete lack of booziness.

OVERALL: I hate finishing a Founders beer, especially since I'm in Colorado. I can't just go get another. Ultimately, this beer holds up very well and I would imagine it has a couple of good years left as long as it was treated properly.

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Photo of Gosox8787
4.16/5  rDev -0.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 4.25

Presentation: 12 oz. stubby bottle I have kept in the cellar for a couple years. Decided to open this up recently so I chilled this down. Poured into my Kate the Great tulip glass.

Appearance: Pours almost zero head. Surprisingly lack of carbonation. Dark brown in color but some light does get through.

Aroma: Nice earthy pine tones from the hops. Definitely a pretty strong hop presence given the age. Chocolate and caramel backing with almost no oxidation.

Taste: Pine, light citrus and a strong earthiness really take hold and dominate. The malt comes through nicely and lends a slight cocoa bitterness. Lots of chocolate and brown sugar. Hides the ABV really well.

Mouthfeel: The carbonation is definitely noticably absent. Not flat persay but close. Medium bodied.

Overall, a really nice tasty black barleywine with some nice hop character. Nicely balanced. The lack of carbonation (not sure if it just this bottle?) does not hurt this too much at all.

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Photo of KFBR392
4.01/5  rDev -4.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A local micropub sat on their keg of this until today when they unleashed it.

Appearance: Very dark, almost pitch black. No head to speak of, beside a very thin lacing on the edges of the glass. Above average lacing on the edges of the glass with each drink.

Smell: Very subdued overall. A lot of strong booze/bourbon, vanilla, hops, and barley. The barley comes off very potent.

Taste: The front is a silky vanilla bourbon booze ride. The body evens out and shows off the strong accents of barley. Finish is medium dry alcohol bite. There is some decent complexity here but overall nothing outstanding.

Mouthfeel: Cleans off the palette, almost dangerously drinkable. Good thing my girlfriend was with me to drive, this one went down awfully quick.

Overall: I was so excited to hear about the Founder's take over which included this great brew. Definitely had the feel of a well aged barleywine. I will definitely be going back for some more.

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Photo of Ego
4.09/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

happy to find this little gem hiding in my cellar... if I remember correctly I picked this up in the outer banks... ah, good times.

a small head pops up but quickly quiets down to an o-ring, legs are apparent given the booze in this puppy, dark brown hue with some ruby highlights, a few columns of marching bubbles encircle the bottom of the glass, everything is in line for the style

hops in the distance, mellowed booze, wafts of subtle chocolate, sweetish prunes, that tangy barleywine thing is going on, hard to quantify it, I remember the first time I sniffed a Bigfoot (the beer, not a sasquatch ya putz), it reminds me of that minus the hop grenade shoved up my face snatch

taste etc...
smooth with subtle carbonation, not quite silky, the carbonation bites a touch too which is nice, the flavor is pretty subdued 3 years out but there is still a twinge of hop punch in there, mostly in the after glow, the alcohol is not hidden but is not harsh, you know it is there. there is a slight ashen flavor in there which makes me think this is not aging all that well, you get the sweet prune flavors, the hops, and a nice full mouthfeel.

3 years out this is pretty mellow but still packs a punch, a quality beer that still holds up.

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Nemesis 2010 from Founders Brewing Company
Beer rating: 93 out of 100 with 941 ratings