Before-After Premium Lager (12% ABV)

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Lager - European Strong
Ranked #92
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2.63 | pDev: 31.56%
Before-After Premium Lager (12% ABV)Before-After Premium Lager (12% ABV)
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BubbleBobble from New York

1.41/5  rDev -46.4%
look: 3 | smell: 1.25 | taste: 1 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 1.5

L: Viscous pour, dark amber in color, moderate white head
S: Strong alcohol-soaked candy, plum schnapps.
T: Overwhelming sweetness with a strong fermented quality
F: Rich, thick mouthfeel, subtle carbonation.
O: Unable to get beyond a sip of this.

Jul 18, 2020
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jwc215 from Arizona

2.53/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 2.5

Interesting label - shows a cartoon character before and after you drink - HA!

Anyway - 22 oz. bottle:

Pours orange amber with a thin head that leaves lacing.

The smell is of alcohol and grain with (slightly stleely) caramel.

The taste is of metallic caramel. Alcohol harsh. Fruity in a boozy, awkward way. Does not taste good.


This is an odd novelty brew. Not recommended. Tastes like bad malt liquor,

Aug 01, 2018
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BenHoppy from Michigan

4.36/5  rDev +65.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Why such poor ratings? Seriously this is not that bad. Actually it's quite good. My bottle's date is L. 07110 so my take is its brewed Mar. 7th 2010, 8 years aged. Perhaps this contributes to the flavor that reminds me much of a Belgian beer.

Poured into snifter @ 40 degrees:

L: copper caramel amber body with thin head that moves toward the edge and stays for entire journey.

A: Belgian yeast and German malts, little bready and little

F: soft slow sipper with light boozy finish yet smooth for 12%

T: Belgian sugar, Belgian yeast, malted bread, caramel

O: I bought this long time ago so it's been aging. Read reviews and was fearful of this beer but if you like Belgian beers and you age it, actually its not too bad. I'm sure fresh would be bad but aged this is quite enjoyable. It's a triple bock and double bocks have always been harsh, this isn't. Instead its a triple bock goodness. Best Bock I ever had. Strong 12% and very smooth. Very delicious and brewed well for a triple bock. To give this a bad rating one must not understand the style of a triple bock. Age this 8 years and it's incredible.

Apr 07, 2018
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NeroFiddled from Pennsylvania

3.36/5  rDev +27.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.25

Rinkuškiai "After Before Triple Bock"
16.9 fl. oz brown glass bottle, coded "L.08523"
$2.99 @ Roger Wilco, Pennsauken, NJ

Notes via stream of consciousness: Having tried a second strong alcohol brew from Rinkuškiai I thought I'd give their "After Before" a chance. And I should point out that I don't have the name wrong. On the neck label it clearly reads "AFTER-BEFORE", as does the back label where it reads "BEER AFTER-BEFORE". It also lists it at 12% ALC/VOL. Perhaps they've changed their packaging and name because I can see from the photo of the lower gravity "After Before" that it's clearly labeled that way. So, moving forward, it's poured a slightly hazy golden body beneath a finger-thick head of off-white that almost immediately dropped to just a razor thin surface covering and standard collar. The aroma is malty sweet and fruity. It's clean, and no alcohol stands out. The flavor follows suit and it's very sweet. It's malty, and grainy, but not so much so that I'm not curious as to whether some adjunct has been used. It's also fruity with some moderately juicy apple, and that's pleasant. It blends with the malt nicely. In the finish there are some hops, very mild, that gently linger... I don't know if they're actually floral or if that's the alcohol talking, but they're also mildly herbal. In the end, however, it's unbalanced and the sweet malt lingers in the finish with a wash of alcohol - which at this point isn't so unwelcome as it helps to dry it! And the alcohol isn't hot, which is important to note, they didn't just churn this stuff out at a high temperature, but neither was it perfectly controlled. And let's keep in mind, there's a lot of malt here, and a lot of alcohol follows that. I can't imagine what the original gravity was. I'd have to guess it was about 24˚Plato. That's about all you can wring out of malt in the mash tun. Or was it lower to begin with and they bumped it up with sugar. No matter, it is what it is. But what is it? What have they labeled it as? Ahh, yes, "triple bock". I guess that fits. And the one I had earlier, the "Hell On High", that was a "quad bock". It's full-medium in body and mildly crisp. There's not a lot of carbonation to it, which I think hurts it. I understand you can only add so much more in such a full bodied beer but at least a little bit more would have given it some bite to help balance it. What did I miss? ... I covered its appearance, its aroma, its flavor, and its feel leaving only my general opinion remaining. Well, not unlike the "Hell On High" it's a very malty beer, and a strong one, so it should satisfy those customers. It's probably also packing a lot of calories so those who are looking to beef-up might want to check this out. Beyond that it's got some flaws but it's far from the worst beer I've had from the Baltic region, and in fact it's pretty well done in comparison for such a strong ale. That doesn't make it OK though, but on a world wide-level it's not so bad. At least it doesn't taste like they added anti-freeze to it! I can't really imagine buying this again though unless it was as a joke gift or hobo beer, and to be honest, I don't think even hobos would really go for it - and that put's it on the wine level of "Night Train"... they'll take it for the alcohol but they don't really like it. It is better than a lot of malt liquors that have less alcohol though. Tough call. On a world stage it's a little bit better than average based on its maltiness and its alcohol, but not by much.

Nov 07, 2017
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BrewMaven from New York

1.94/5  rDev -26.2%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2

Two 16.9oz for $5 at my local market...What the heck.
Poured a clear deep gold with vibrant yet short lived carbonation..A wispy hint of a head that left post haste.

Aroma and taste are in lock step with each other so I'm combining them...Candy caramel sweetness dominates both..Nuf said. Medium mouthfeel. Warming of the beer has little or no ill effects on flavor...By the way, the flavor, overall, is quite bad. Whatever they brew this with causes a nasty hangover after just two over the course of 2 hours. Never again.

12% is well hidden in the taste but not in the effect of this brew.
If nothing else, it's an unpleasant way to catch a serious buzz on the cheap.

Sep 19, 2017
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kojevergas from Louisiana

1.71/5  rDev -35%
look: 3.5 | smell: 1.75 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.25 | overall: 1.75

$2.99 USD for a 12% Lithuanian lager? Sign me up...

Bottle comes with a cardboard hangtag to remind you you bought this just for its ludicrous ABV and the fact that you're a cheap bastard. 1 pint .9 fl oz format. Branded pry-off crown cap. Great label art with a built-in drunkenness's more clever than it seems at first glance.

12% ABV. "Premium lager." "European beer." "Naturally fermented" (whatever that implies...)

Served cold into a nonic.

APPEARANCE: I'll give it this - I expected horrid retention in a 12% ABV import budget lager, but it defies expectations, lasting a good 5-6 minutes. Not too shabby. Head is white in colour, with appealing softness and thickness to its robust consistency. No lacing adheres to the sides of the glass as the head recedes.

Body is a clear obviously filtered vibrant pale copper. No yeast/lees are visible within.

It's a nice appearance for a generic European lager, no doubt. Not unique or special, but I find no obvious flaws and its head retention is impressive.

AROMA: Heavy on the malt syrup. Loads of malty sweetness is present - pale malt, crystal malt, caramalt. Ester-free lager yeast. Hard water. No graininess or hoppiness. Boy, does that seem sweet and syrupy. Ugh...

TASTE & TEXTURE: Cloyingly sweet particularly on the finish, with the heavy syrupy sludgy mouthfeel to match, dragging out its duration of flavour when all their target demographic wants is more blandness and a briefer taste so they (i.e. we) can just get plain ole fashioned knackered. Loads of off-putting saccharine malt extract/syrup, heavy layers of caramalt & crystal malt, generic pale malt sweetness...I'd prefer rice adjunct so at least it'd be lighter in body. Hell, I'd take watery over this.

I do have to give credit where it's due - I anticipated a much boozier brew. Not that this isn't hot (it most certainly is), but I'd figure it for 9-10% ABV trying it blind. Still, its sickly heavy viscous mouthfeel is repugnant and there's nothing here flavourwise for the discerning graininess, no hop flavour (not even generic grassy or floral notes), no balancing bitterness.

Medicinal in the sense that it's a hell of a cure for sobriety.

Overcarbonated. Unrefreshing (obviously). Smooth. Wet. Difficult to approach or enjoy.

Shallow and simple, lacking any depth or nuance whatsoever.

OVERALL: I don't recall ever seeing this on my 3 odd trips to Vilnius, and its label really overplays the "European"/"Import" angle, implying the ostensible cachet of foreign origin is its main selling point when we all know it's really just a dressed up high gravity lager destined for the stomachs of students and(/or) drunks. I've had some rough budget Euro brews in my time and this is far from the worst of them, but finishing the bottle will prove a chore and, to be frank, it's deplorable rotgut you just shouldn't bloody buy outright.

Would pair well with an Aleve and some deeply seated personal regret.

High F (1.71) / AVOID

Jul 19, 2017
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Gavage from New Jersey

2.07/5  rDev -21.3%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 2

Appearance: pour a clear orange color with no carbonation bubbles.

Smell: super sweetness rises from the glass.

Taste: grainy malt, and what seems like a ton of honey and a decent alcohol level. Bitterness is mild.

Mouthfeel: heavy in body. Smooth to start, syrupy and dry at the finish.

Overall: a super sweet beer that is hard to finish, and seems to be a pure headache inducer.

Dec 30, 2016
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neenerzig from Ohio

3.32/5  rDev +26.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Picked up a single 16.9 oz bottle of this earlier tonight. Poured into one of my pokal glasses, this beer pours a very clear, medium golden color with lots of streams of little bubbles continuously and fairly rapidly rising to the beer's surface. Has a white head that's about 2/3 of an inch thick when initially poured that settles to a nice film layer of foam on the beer's surface along with a medium sized ring lining the inside of the glass. A little bit of lacing is present. Aromas of fruity esters, including some banana, and biscuity caramel malt sweetness are all present. The taste is pretty much the same, with some biscuity caramel malt sweetness that gives way to some banana and figs. Not discernible hop presence as far as my palate is concerned. Has a hint of a peppery spice note too. Has a crisp, yet also smooth, medium bodied mouthfeel with moderate carbonation. Easy to drink in a good way. Gets better after the beer sits and warms a bit. Not nearly as bad as I was expecting.


Aug 06, 2016
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0_0 from New Jersey

2.15/5  rDev -18.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 1.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1.5

L - Orangery and syrupy pour, should have learned at this point but I pressed on
S- The smell is overpowered by grain so you cant expect what comes next
T + F - sweet, Malt, alcohol and grain in a thick liquid poured its self into my mouth covering it with he taste of regret.
O - Honestly I hate Malt flavors with a burning passion. Love Rinkuskiai's "Hell on High" but this beer is definitely not my cup of tea.

Jul 18, 2016
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EdwardAbbey from Washington

2.18/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 2.25 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 2

I finally tried this, for science (I guess?), after seeing it multiple times at Bottleworks here in Seattle (they always seemed to have the same amount, so I felt bad for it, and obligated to give one bottle, at least, a home). Despite my personal fondness for Lithuania, having once worked with many fine people from that beautiful country, this beer represents the place and its heritage poorly.

Still, it's maybe worth trying...once...if you lose a bet, say, or are filled with some ineffable pity, for something, or someone.

Jul 01, 2016
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tone77 from Pennsylvania

3.05/5  rDev +16%
look: 4 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3

Poured from a brown 16.9 oz. bottle. Has a dark golden color with a 1/2 inch head. Smell is of grains, alcohol, slightly sweet. Taste is alcohol, grains, malts, more alcohol, sugar. Feels medium/light bodied in the mouth and overall is something I would not buy again. That being said, it is better than most American malt liquors that have a similar abv.

Mar 25, 2016
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metter98 from New York

2.47/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

A: The beer is crystal clear amber yellow in color and has a slight amount of visible carbonation. It poured with a thin white collar around the edge of the glass.
S: Light to moderate aromas of fruity esters are present in the nose along with hints of sweet malts and fusel alcohol.
T: The taste follows the smell, except that the flavors of fusel alcohol are a little stronger.
M: It feels medium- to full-bodied and somewhat clean on the palate with a moderate amount of carbonation. Slight hints of warming are noticeable in the finish. The mouthfeel is slightly cloying.
O: While this beer masks a good portion of its alcohol—unlike what you might expect from a malt liquor—the sweetness can get a little cloying.

Serving type: bottle

Feb 27, 2016
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barczar from Kentucky

3.36/5  rDev +27.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

2013 vintage. Aroma is very sweet, caramelly, toasted, and there are actually melanoidin notes. Actually more depth than I expected. There's a bit if fruity fusel alcohol.

Flavor is fairly fruit laden, sharp grape upfront, with notes of dates and figs at the finish. The alcohol burn prevents the sweetness from being cloying.

Didn't hold out much hope for this one, so it's much better than expected.

Jan 17, 2016
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stevoj from Idaho

2.54/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 2.5

Sweet and pungent, but no alcohol burn surprisingly. Heavy grain presence in aroma and taste. Only one reason to drink this ... to get drunk. Mission accomplished! Sweet and grainy....but relatively smooth

Dec 23, 2015
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justinp444 from Michigan

2.33/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.5

Pours a semi clear orange with a thin white head. Smell of cheap lager, lots of fruity esters, very strong bready malt, banana, and some tropical fruity hop character. Taste is overly sweet caramel, alcohol, some orange, and apple. Too much alcohol on the backend, light to moderate mouth feel, and a crisp taste.

Jun 08, 2015
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augustgarage from California

2.24/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 2.25 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 1.75 | overall: 2.25

I've had a decent take on a hefeweizen from Lithuania before, so at less than $3, I'll pay for the jokey label if nothing else. Poured from a 500mL bottle into my Ayinger Doppelbock glass.

Brilliantly clear goldenrod body with an active ephemeral head. Poor retention, no legs, and a sticky even layer of tears.

Low aromatics suggest pale malt, adjunct, and a hint of toast. No melanoidins; faint grape-like note, some alcohol.

I was expecting this to taste like a Euro Strong Lager at this point, but there is a surprising level of maltiness along with a touch of caramel. Vague grassy hops perhaps, but no real bitterness. Finishes on the sweet side with a rapidly growing heat from the ABV. Maybe some fusels in the aftertaste, but the overall flavor profile is fleeting.

Insipid mouthfeel - sticky, heavy, and a bit flat despite a steady stream of bubbles.

While not quite an abject failure, one wonders if the producers of this beer have ever actually had anything approaching a doppelbock before. While I can find one or two things to enjoy about the flavor, and I'm able to finish the bottle (only had one or two "drainpours" in my life), this is at best a novelty beer, and a worst a headache in a bottle. Avoid.

Jun 08, 2014
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BrandonStout from Tennessee

4.35/5  rDev +65.4%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

This beer pours really nice with little to no head. It has a golden-honey color. The initial taste is wheat with a bit of sweetness. There's not much of an after-taste. I can't believe this beer is rated so low, it's very smooth and delicious. I recommend it.

Jan 21, 2014
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bluejacket74 from Ohio

2.33/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 3.25 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.25

500 ml bottle. Served in a mug, the beer pours a mostly clear dark gold/amber color with a half inch off-white head. Head retention is decent, and there isn't much lacing at all. The brew smells like bready/grainy malt, sugar and booze. Unfortunately the taste is similar to the aroma. I think it tastes mostly like sugary booze, with some grainy malt noticeable too. Mouthfeel/body is medium, it's syrupy and coating with low/moderate carbonation. This certainly wasn't one of the better brews I've had lately. But I also finished the bottle without a problem so it wasn't exactly awful either. $2.49 a bottle.

Nov 23, 2013
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Radome from Florida

3.74/5  rDev +42.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Served from a 16.9 oz bottle into a wine glass.

A - Deep golden color; very clear. Thin white head that quickly fades to a ring around the glass with some lacing.

S - Aroma is bready, grainy, alcoholic goodness. Very clean but very alcoholic.

T - The taste is bready malt; some low flowery hops. Strong alcohol flavor; slightly sweet finish. Very clean and mild for the alcohol level.

M - Medium body; low hops bitterness; moderate alcohol burn. Carbonation is light.

O - This is a very clean, inoffensive, high alcohol beer. It does not have any particular aspect that stands out, but it is pleasing in a generic, high-alcohol way.

Aug 28, 2013
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AltBock from Ohio

2.4/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.25 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

16.9 oz bottle with a really weird label. It has a picture of a woman with long flowing hair that has a horn (?) growing out of her forehead. Flip the label over and it's now Richard Nixon with a really crummy fake wig and a bow tie. It doesn't matter which way you view it. It's creepy either way. The back label has all the mandatory US info, a paragraph that talks about the brewery, and a bottle code. My bottle was L.95948.

Since its labeled a Doppelbock, it seemed fitting to pour this beer into my Salvator Pilsner glass. From behind the creepy ass Richard Nixon came a clear as day pale lemon yellow colored beer that had a tiny tint of copper to it. The head of foam was just as weak as the color. On top was a short lived paper thin cotton white head of foam. This supposed head of foam didn't leave anything behind. Not even a speck of lace. Absolutely nothing!

The aroma had everything you expected from of beer of this color. The aroma was extremely grainy with a hint of alcohol and a subtle whiff of juicy fruits and hops. No hidden aroma of any kind. It was mostly grains and alcohol. Not the most complex aroma in the world.

I wish I could say that the taste blew my mind and it was nowhere near the grainy alcohol aroma. The taste was pretty the aroma over again. The taste was grainy and sweet with a super tiny taste of juicy fruits and hops. I do have to hand it to taste. It blended the alcohol into the sweet grains. That was unfortunately the only upside to the taste.

Despite this beer clocking in at 12% ABV, this beer wasn't overly boozy. Sure it was mostly sweet and grainy, but at least it didn't drink like rubbing alcohol. If you want a cheap beer with a lot of alcohol in it, you might want to pick up this beer with the creepy label.

Aug 06, 2013
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Hopstronaut from Maine

1/5  rDev -62%
look: 1 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Avoid this one at all costs. It had a $2.99 tag around the 500ml bottle, I should have known. The taste was much too sweet, like fake candy, way too boozy and the aftertaste was like vomit. Almost zero carbonation and a very strange mirky orange color. I drink all kinds of beer but this went down the drain. Too bad.

Apr 07, 2013
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facundoCNB from New Jersey

3.68/5  rDev +39.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

a clean golden pour with 2 fingers of white head and great lacing. here are lots of bready notes in the scent, banana, raisins, caramel. the flavor is an extremely sweet malty profile with some bready notes. sugary sweet almost like a syrup.
a full body beer with low carbonation, very syrup like. not what i was expecting at all from a lager. very very sweet sugary flavor makes it hard to drink.

Mar 03, 2013
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tectactoe from Michigan

1.12/5  rDev -57.4%
look: 3 | smell: 1 | taste: 1 | feel: 1 | overall: 1

Pours a deep amber color, mild clarity. Super thick looking, low carbonation, and minimal head, even after an abrasive pour. The smell... ugh, the smell. The alcohol in this beer is WAY too overpowering - smells nearly like rubbing alcohol. Other hints in the nose: musk, mold, cheese, onions, corn, wheat, dirty grains, wet cardboard. The taste isn't too far behind - hot from the alcohol with notes of musty old basement, dirty earth, cheap corn grains, and funky onion. Taste like absolute puke, and I'm trying to be nice here. Sweetness is abundant from the malt, as well, so much so that it's cloying and nasty. Hops? Where are they? It doesn't matter, nothing could save this beer. Thick, syrupy, sticky, and heavier than lead on the mouth.

Good God, this beer is downright awful. I tried, I really did. I muscled down about half the glass and had to pour the rest down the drain. It got far worse as it warmed up. A colossal train wreck of alcohol, adjunct grains, malt, and whatever the hell else is in this beer. Head for the hills, this is the worse beer I've had.

Nov 21, 2012
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watchnerd from California

1.71/5  rDev -35%
look: 3 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.5

Bought a bottle at a local liquor store. Poured into a pint glass.

Appearance is dark amber, no appreciable head or lacing. Pretty average.

Smell is lacking in any yeastiness, hoppiness, the strongest notes being a fruity overtone and alcohol.

Taste -- blech. This reminds me of the cheap, high alcohol cans of beer I found in local corner markets in Paris. Kind of sweet, malty, and mainly just nasty.

Mouthfeel - thin, not much going on. To be honest, I can't bare to take a big enough swig to get a good sense.

This isn't the worst beer I've ever had, but it's certainly among the top ten worst.

I'm drain-pouring the rest.

Nov 17, 2012
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pmcadamis from Illinois

1.53/5  rDev -41.8%
look: 1.5 | smell: 1 | taste: 2 | feel: 1 | overall: 1.5

A - Dark amber with absolutely no head.

S - This is so heavy on the alcohol that it actually sort of smells like vodka. Grainy, musty, and nasty.

T - Better than the nose. Yeasty, boozy, bready.

M - Heavy and sickly sweet. Not good.

This is really not a good beer. Ugh.

Nov 04, 2012
Before-After Premium Lager (12% ABV) from Rinkuškiai
Beer rating: 63 out of 100 with 116 ratings