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Brewed by:
Surly Brewing Company
Minnesota, United States
surlybrewing.com

Style: American Double / Imperial IPA

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.00%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Hazy gold in color, this Oatmeal Double IPA has aggressive aromas of candied grapefruit/tangerine and tropical fruit. Malted oats greatly enhance the body and the high level of bitterness is balanced by this sweetness. Citra hops are used for aroma & flavor additions and for dry-hopping, while Warrior hops are used primarily for bitterness.

OG 19.5 Plato
Color 5 SRM
Hops: Citra, Warrior
Yeast: English Ale
Malt: 2-row, Golden Naked Oats
ABV: 9%

Added by Buebie on 12-27-2008

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Photo of bonkers
4.32/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to brewnic. I poured from a 16 ounce can into a snifter, deep orange with a 2" white head, nice lacing. The beer has a ton of pine and grapefruit on the nose. The first sip hits you with lots of pine, grapefruit and tropical fruit in the background. The beer is plenty bitter, as per my wife, and has a lingering piney finish. The body is medium and it has a sticky feel to it. A fine DIPA, worth seeking out.

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Photo of EgadBananas
4.47/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Canned 12/27/10. Consumed 1/13/11.

Pours a nice dark honey color, with light sunny touches around the edges. A two-finger fluffy off-white head adorns, sticks around, and coats the glass in spongy lacing.

Aroma is heaps of floral hops, tons of citrus fruits, backing malt sweetness, bitterness, and oily, pungent pine notes.

Stark bitterness hits you, moves to bold citrus fruits (orange, grapefruit), piny and flowery, earthy and sweet. Malts jump in and out, along with touches of caramel and honey.

Creamy texture with a bit of nice sharp carbonation and a solid lower-medium body.

Dangerously drinkable DIPA, simple as that.

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Photo of oglmcdgl
4.5/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A can poured into a pint glass with a bit to spare. Thanks to brewnic for the hook up.

A- two big fingers of off white head that rises above the glass and holds for a good bit but settles after the first sip to leave a ton of sticky lace and a thin skin on top. A beautiful bronze orange in color with just the faintest haze.

S- a ton of tropical and citrus fruits up front with mango, tangerine, pineapple, oranges. Just a light honey simple syrup sweetness.

T- A back and forth between bold citrusy hops and aggressive bitter piney hops. neither overpowering the other for more then a second. Lots more grapefruit then the nose led on to and the tropical fruits follow. Malts come off with a toasty bread and caramel sweetness that does add a nice balance and round it all out nicely.

M- just about medium in body maybe a tick on the higher side with a carb that builds to just the right clip and works perfectly to elevate the brew where you want it to be. Slightly dry finish.

D- well god damn this is a killer beer. Hands down one of the best dipas I've ever had. This fillie can run with the best of em and maybe take the whole thing. The name fits, it is abrasive and it will settle the hop fiend in you but so nicely balanced that you can enjoy a few for sure.

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Photo of THECPJ
4.12/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reviewed from notes 1/13/2011

A: sweet candied citrus hops

Ap: golden-orange, 2 finger off-white head, nice lacing

B/T: moderate carbonation, crisp, has a nice bite to it, refreshing

Af: chock full of citrus hops, sweet up front and bitter at the back, tends to linger on the tongue, dry

O: similar to DFH 90 minute, but a little bit dryer and more bitter of a finish.

Cheers!
The CPJ

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Photo of Pellinore1
4.52/5  rDev +1.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Thanks to Joshuaseresse for this excellent extra.

The can pours clear, golden orange, producing a finger of white head. This slowly settles to a thin cap of lacing.

As soon as I opened the can, I was hit with potent hops. Citrus, pine, and floral notes are all there in roughly equal measure, backed by just a hint of caramel malts. This just smells great.

Like the smell, the flavor is all about the hops. It begins with massive citrus and pine, then eventually reveals a little bit of sweet, bready malts. A lasting bitterness is left on the tongue.

Medium bodied and a bit sticky, this beer is very pleasant to drink.

The good flavor balance and complete lack of detectable alcohol make for a ridiculously drinkable DIPA.

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Photo of Dreadnaught33
4.72/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A top tier Double IPA.

A: Orange hued brew with great ring of white head and some nice sticky lacing.

S: Tons of grapefruit and bitter pine needles, and I mean lots of fresh pine. Citrus. Nice sweet bready malts, but this is really all about the hops.

T: Lesser hops, pine and citrus than the aroma but yeah it's definitely still there. Aggressive spicy malt, and some sweetness at the back of the palate. A semi dry yet still succulent finish. Very nice.

M: Nice carbonation and nice feel overall.

D: Awesome stuff. I love this beer.

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Photo of StormKing47
4.47/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared with cmurren25, Jwiss22, JayW73 and Lane23 at a little tasting have been wanting this one since I missed it last year here goes...

A- A spectacular slightly hazy golden color with a bright yellow hue. Has a nice amount of carb with a light stream of bubbles leading up to a thick, bright white, fluffy and sticky head. Looks amazing, I'm ready to dive right into this one.

S- Abrasive? Damn straight an onslaught of grapefruit, pine, citrus and aromatic floral hops. I love it. It's like a fresh harvest ale. It has a ridiculous amount of hops in the nose almost like a battle royal of the who's how of hops. Simply mind bending and amazing.

T- An attack of the senses! Fresh citrus, grapefruit, tangerine, succulent and juicy fruits, tropical fruits and the like. It's amazing it's just an attack of hops and even a little warming and they just won't leave. I have been assaulted by hops and I feel dirty, used and abused, but I love it. By the way, where the hell is the caramel malty sweetness? It's almost nonexistent, it's just a balance of crazy hops. My slight knock would be maybe a touch more sweetness or bitterness.

M- Big, sticky, and coating. Like pine tar. It sticks to everything and just won't leave. A little tiny tickle of carb, but just an in your face hop stickiness that is rarely experienced. Thank you finally a fresh can of this.

D- Hahaha, you bet your ass it is. High abv? Do you really give a shit, your drinking beer? After I awoke from my hop coma and the land of hops. I have realized that sometimes I wish I lived in Minnesota so I could have this every winter. It's unbelievably sticky, refreshing and the smooth balance is second to none. Who cares about the abv, I need more of this and wish it was brewed year round. It would be an awesome beer to go fishing with. Thank you Surly!

I really have no witty commentary to finish this one up with just a big THANK YOU to Surly. For Christ's sake come to PA, or just distribute to my house like once a month please.

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Photo of Kegatron
4.57/5  rDev +2.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

16 oz can into a tulip glass. Canned on 12/27/10. Huge thanks to joshuaseresse for hooking me up with some of these. You da' man Josh!

Pours a slightly hazed golden copper, with 2 robust fingers of off-white frothy head. This retains with a thin creamy film that flares up to a rich ½ finger and throws a foamy cascade of lacing that hangs in spotty swathes down the sides of the glass. The aroma is floral and spicy, with a vibrant smelling blend of grapefruit, pine, and citrus peel, which cuts across the nostrils like a knife. This flavorful sharpness is tempered by notes of juicy tropical sweetness and malty notes of sticky caramel and fresh biscuits. This is just so fresh and forceful in the nose. Awesome!

The taste is so well balanced here, with hops that prickle the tongue with grapefruit, resins, and earthy rind but are far from overly bitter, thanks to a wave of balancing force from notes of juicy fruit, caramel, and bread, which drench the back of the palate with a ripe sticky sweetness. This sweetness carries over to the finish a bit and keeps it from being harsh, as there is a fair amount of trailing grapefruit pith and dry pine that lingers. The mouthfeel is fuller bodied, with a soft creaminess and oiliness to the feel that keeps this surprisingly gentle in the mouth despite the overall heftiness here. There is still some sharpness present though, which helps accentuate those full hop flavors. Holy shit, is that 9% ABV just beautifully hid here or what? Not one speck of alcohol is picked up anywhere in this beyond the overall size of the body. Just fantastic!

I originally had a growler of this (as 16 Grit) almost exactly 2 years ago and finding me back with this beer was like reuniting with an old friend. Wow, is this DIPA full flavored, well balanced, and deceptively drinkable for the size. I honestly think that I enjoyed this even more the second time around with it. There are a LOT of fantastic examples of the style out there right now but this one definitely stands tall. It's definitely the best example of a DIPA in a can anyway!

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Photo of levifunk
4.47/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

thanks klikger for bringing this back fresh. canned 12/20/10

a - light clear golden color. white head. would like to see a little more color.

s - smells amazing. sweet pine hops. exactly like a DIPA should smell.

t - huh. very large hops bitterness. nice sweetness. but it has a creaminess in the body, which is odd at first. its an amazing flavor, and even more incredible how much the malt backbone comes through. the grapefruit fruitiness comes up pretty strong as well.

m - like I said, its quite creamy. medium body and typical carbonation. bitterness leaves a dry finish.

overall - very tasty. this would be a fun one to age and see what happens. I feel the 9%, but don't taste it. very drinkable.

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Photo of boomer31
4.77/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

I had 16 Grit on cask a few years back, had Abrasive canned last year and loved it. Finally reviewing it.
Canned 12/27/10

A - Pours a bright gold, somewhat hazy with a thick off white head. Head disappears quickly Fairly sticky on the glass.

S - So many hops I don't know where to start. It's like there's a fight between fruity grapefruit and floral hops. Just comes thru as a bag of freshly opened bag of hops

T - A huge burst of fresh fruit, citrus and grapefruit up front then sweetness. In the back its very sweet. The hops really try to balance this out but with little effect. I bet this would be great after a year when the hops fade and the huge malt come forward. The only flaw is that this is very sweet and there's almost no bitterness

M - That classic canned rich full body that you get from Surly.

D - You must be joking with how easy this one can go down! 9% no way...you get no hint of alcohol here, no malt or hop dominance just great balance

This is just too good of a beer to not seek out! Way too drinkable and I'm only upset that I can't get more. The only flaw (if you can call it that) is that its very sweet. Though, the description says it's 'under-brewed' so I'm sure that's what they were going for.

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Photo of starrdogg
4.74/5  rDev +6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This is one of the best DIPAs I've ever had, hands-down. The appearance is nothing amazing, a cloudy reddish-gold with a minimal head, but every other aspect of this beer is sensational. The smell is all pineapple, smells about as enticing as any beer I've had. Following up the smell, the taste does not disappoint: it's slightly sweet, citrus and fresh hops with a very minor malt base, in my opinion the perfect balance of flavor for a DIPA. The mouthfeel is a little on the thin side, but the lightness suits the beer very well and adds to its drinkability. It has that stickiness that I associate with fresh hops, though I have no idea what to actually attribute it to. It's insanely drinkable for a beer this hoppy and high in ABV. Despite the massive hops flavor, it's really not that bitter. Because of the light mouthfeel and incredible taste, I could drink several of these.

This beer most definitely deserves the reputation it has as one of the best DIPAs out there. It's of the west coast style, which supplements the hoppiness with citrus instead of malt, and it's done to perfection. I want to move to Minnesota so I can load up on it every winter.

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Photo of circlenine
4.32/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Canned 12/20/10, poured consumed and reviewed 1/7/11. Review transcribed 1/8/11.

A: Full pint pours deep reddish orange with moderate head approximately 1" that slowly dissipates leaving very little lacing.

S: Extreme citrus dominated the nose... more so grapefruit than other citrus fruits. There is also a notable hoppy note to the aroma.

T: Again, hops and citrus pack the walloping punch in front. There is a nice pine taste in the back. It doesn't taste Abrasive at all. Flavors are extremely well balanced.

M: Not a ton of carbonation in this beer. The beer definitely hits all taste buds within the mouth. Has a nice light, refreshing feel to it.

D: For a double IPA, this drinks extremely well. The alcohol is almost undetected making it very easy to drink.

Comments: Very thrilled to have a fresh Abrasive. My next step is to do a side by side with a Furious to note the major differences.

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Photo of xnicknj
4.47/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

16oz can poured into tulip glass - 12/20/10 canning date - big thanks to biglobo8971 for a beer that i've been dying to try

Pours a clear golden copper with some darker hues. A lighter off-white head fades out to some wispy film with rings of lacing and streaks along the glass.

An absolutely delicious hop aroma with piny resin and grapefruit notes coupled with some light malted bready sweetness.

Begins with a wave of intense hops followed immediately with sticky pine and an explosion of juicy grapefruit. The malt backbone is just right, with touches of bread and somewhat sweet caramel. Finishes with another pleasant smash of exceptionally juicy hops and barely any alcohol heat.

Nice medium body, decent carbonation, a little sticky and dry in the feel. Drinks great for a DIPA, and the alcohol is nearly undetectable. Excellent job by Surly once again.

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Photo of awalk1227
4.87/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Consumed 1/7/11 Says canned on 12/27/10, which was my birthday! This has to be good. Received in a trade from TheDudeRules, thanks so much dude, can't wait!

Served into a Stone Brewing pint glass

A: pours dark orange, not completely clear, slight haze. A very thick off white head appears with little help from my aggressive pour, and hugs the glass upon drinking. Very pretty.

S: Holy moly, I haven't smelled a beer like this since Alpine Nelson. Smelled it when I opened, and when I poured it into the glass. The entire three foot radius around me was perfumed of hops. Oranges, mangoes, grapefruit, and sticky pine fill my nose. I really can't smell any malt, really.

T: Palate-peeling hops attack my tongue, and the bitter prickle lasts long after the swallow. Being a DIPA, the malt is definitely apparent in this beer, but it's pale enough to not interfere with hop goodness. Amazingly, the fruit shines through in the taste too, unlike a lot of DIPAs, where the citrus can only be found in the nose. There is a sliiight tinge of alcohol, but it's welcome in a beer with so much going on in the flavor.

F: Slightly above medium. Still pretty chewy, and I like that in a big imperial IPA. Coats the entirety of my mouth and leaves a pleasing spike of hop prickle on the sides and back of the tongue.

D: I'm glad I got a 4 pack. I would definitely drink two of these (no driving!) with little problem, but then I wouldn't be able to taste anything for the rest of the night.

Edit: After consideration, and trying Hopslam, I'm bumping my ratings for this beer. It's the best DIPA I've ever had.

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Photo of seeswo
4.5/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a hazy, yet clean orange-gold, with a tall tannish-white head that hangs out. Provides a fantastic floral, citrus hop flavor. This beer really invites you in. Spicy, biting combination of big hop with a bit of malt back flavor. Surly Wet was like a cleaner, brighter Furious. This is like a bigger, bolder and spicier Furious, in a great way. Leaves a reasonable bitterness behind, but in a pleasant way - like Abrasive Ale doesn't want to let you go. Moderate levels of carbonation without any syrupy mouthfeel that sometimes accompanies bigger DIPAs. Exceedingly drinkable for its aggressive nature. Another winner for Surly. Do yourself a favor and get a connect for Wet, Abrasive and Furious, all right when they come out. At least for the first two, the experience is just as good as Pliny/Blind Pig, just different takes on the styles. That is really a fantastic beer.

Review Edited, +.5 to smell, +.5 to mouthfeel.

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Photo of MinnesotaRIS
4.92/5  rDev +10.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Comes in 1 pint cans.

A - very amber, mostly transparent through the glass. Robust head, small cell that hangs on for quite some time.

S - profound and pleasing aroma. Smells of grapefruit, cedar, mild hops, oaty. The smell is unexpected as this is my first Abrasive. It was again profound but warm and welcome.

T - smooth but it is named correctly, abrasive. Don't get me wrong, this is good - the name is apropos to this particular beer. Taste maybe of grapefruit and/or peach. Nice taste of an ale but exceptional for a craft beer.

M - abrasive ale! Swirling like effect and the aftertaste is as good as the taste.

D - cannot drink this one fast at all. Very much a beer to be enjoyed over a while.

I waited a while for this beer and it was well with it. Well done Surly!

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Photo of CaseyK
4.23/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Nice golden color with a white frothy head that sticks around
S: Very hop forward, less malt then some DIPA's I've had lately.
T: Wow, great bitter hop starts this beer out. Tastes of grapefruit and pine as well, with pine being the dominant taste at the end.
M: Nice, not too light and slightly sticky.
D: Refreshing and a very solid beer. I could drink quite a bit of this.

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Photo of Schmaltzy
4.58/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks Cory for sharing some of this delicious beer.

A- Dark amber color, Surly makes some of the darkest IPA's I've seen, nice frothy 2-3 finger head that died to a frothy ring and light layer on top of the beer.

S- Nice strong piney hops with generous amounts of caramel malts, nice citrus and slight mango scents, typical DIPA scents.

T- Wow is this good... Piney hop bitterness attacks your tounge followed by a nice malty balance and finishes with a nice lemon zest and mango taste in my mouth, really good and up there with Pliny in the taste department.

M- Great carbonation with medium body and the carbonation is smooth with just enough palate cleansing on my tounge.

D- Could easily put down a couple of four packs in one sitting, ridiculously easy to drink. When this is fresh, as it is, it is easily as good as Pliny... Enjoy if you are lucky enough to find this beer.

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Photo of sacrelicio
4.84/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Jesus....had this beer several times but never reviewed it. The appearance is good but not special. A nice amber orange with a small head. The smell is transcendent. Such a ripe, juicy aroma of tropical fruits and pine. Splendid. The taste is the nectar of amazing citrus and tropical fruit hops. Almost like Hi-C Ecto Cooler (in a good way). So delicious and smooth, a bit of malt to hold it together, but not much. The mouthfeel is good. The drinkability is out of this world. So easy to just down this shit like its a fruit juice cocktail on a beach. A world class DIPA. Amazing.

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Photo of 321jeff
4.72/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Much thanks to UMNBeerHunter for providing this one so fresh, just two weeks after the release!

Pours a golden amber color with a just off white head that fades to a thin layer leaving just a bit of lacing on the sides of the glass.

The aroma is absolutely amazing. A potent mix of pine and citrus hops, but there is a noticeable malt sweetness in the background as well. I don't think I've ever smelled a DIPA like this before.

The taste follows suit, it's plenty bitter with some pine resin and citrus flavors, but it's balanced by an almost honey-like sweetness.

Mouthfeel is on the heavy side of medium but it's nice and sticky with some moderate carbonation. Waaaay too drinkable... literally... I am enjoying this way too much and I'm down to my last couple of sips... I'll definitely track this one down again next time it's out.

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Photo of KarlHungus
4.89/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

This beer pours an orange-red color. The head is one inch in height, and recedes slowly into a firm quarter inch cap of lacing. The aroma is strong enough that it leaps out of the glass, and can be detected feet away. Mandarin oranges, peaches, grapefruit, hibiscus, and pollen are all present in copious amounts. This is one beautiful smelling beer. The taste is pure hop juice. The bitterness isn't as firm as a lot of other DIPAs I've tasted which allows the hop flavors to show themselves more clearly. All aspects of the aroma are present in the taste with the addition of a nice soft earthiness in the finish. The mouthfeel is full bodied with moderate carbonation, and a velvety texture. Overall, this is a great beer that I will surely search out again, and again.

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Photo of luxbwin
4.89/5  rDev +9.4%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Poured into a New Belgium Globe glass; shared with tribepride and rosen551
Appearance - Amber, rich color
smell - I love the hops and citrus blend
taste/ mouthfeel - WOW! It hits you hard
drinkability - I wish I would have bought 16 of these instead of just 4!
Overall - one of the best beers I have had in awhile, and I am having some more shipped out to me STAT!

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Photo of arboristfish
5/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

This beer pours a copper color, almost light amber with a white head. The aroma is complex! Very piney with hints of citrus. I love the hop character in this beer. The mouthfeel is medium to medium light, and is very drinkable. For a beer at 9% the alcohol isnt noticeable.

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Photo of plfahey
4.47/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

16 oz. can poured into tulip glass.

Appearance-Deep gold to medium amber in color. Mostly clear. Moderate off-white head with decent retention.

Aroma-Holy hops! Mostly pine, some resin, some citrus (lemon and grapefruit), and some grassy notes. Light bready caramel malt aromas apparent as well.

Flavor-Lots of hop flavor, but a sturdy malt backbone to balance. Hop flavors are similar to nose, with plenty of pine, citrus, grass, and resin. Moderate sweet caramel malt and toasty malt, though flavor is seriously hop dominated. Hop bitterness is high, but not harsh. Finish is moderately dry with residual hop flavors of pine and grapefruit, and a healthy dose of hop bitterness.

Mouthfeel-Medium full body, medium high carbonation. For something this insanely hoppy, the mouthfeel is smooth-never astringent or harsh. Also, for 9% abv, you can barely even sense alcohol warmth as the bitterness is slightly tongue numbing.

This is a well made beer. Anyone can throw a shit-ton of hops into a brew kettle, but it takes true skill to craft a beer that is this hoppy, and yet still so drinkable. Truly delicious.

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Photo of Flipadelphia84
4.77/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Poured from a can into a pint glass with a one finger head...

A- Light amber color with a little lacing. What you would expect of a double IPA.

S- Tropical fruits, pineapple, grapefruit, lots of citrus aroma, a little pine. As strong as this beer is, the alcohol is not that up front, and relatively unnoticeable

T- Flavor explosion! Very fruity, again pineapple comes to mind. the piney and citrusy hops work extremely well together, and although the hops are the star in this beer, its hard not to notice the malty flavor underlying. I think its the hops to malt ratio that makes this Imperial IPA so special. It finishes with a nice fruity bitterness that keeps going.

M- Light carbonation, just the way I like an IPA. The way the carbonation hits your tongue almost adds another element to the flavor, sort of tangy.

D- Give me more NOW... I am a huge IPA fan and have had many, but until now I haven't tried a double IPA that is this drinkable. With an IBU of 120 you would think otherwise, but its something about that Hops to malt balance.

This is Definitely my favorite Double IPA.

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Abrasive Ale from Surly Brewing Company
4.47 out of 5 based on 4,437 ratings.
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