Makeweight | Furthermore Beer

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Furthermore Beer
Wisconsin, United States

Style: Belgian IPA

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.50%

Availability: Year-round

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Added by Golden2wenty1 on 01-11-2008

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Reviews by ALESwhatCURESya:
Photo of ALESwhatCURESya
4.02/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Another interesting beer from Furthermore. I really like the direction that they are taking and that they are not afraid to put out something that no one else is. This pours a light russet brown with ruby and orange highlights. Head is moderate at first but dissipates rather quickly. Nice aroma of caramelized sugars, crystal malts, and yeast esters. The taste is rich and full of residual malt sweetness yet the finish is fairly dry. There seems to be some decent complexity with the grain bill. Possibly vienna or munich malts? The mouthfeel is great and smooth with soft edges. The abv is hidden well but adds a sense of warmth to the beer. A very nice beer overall that is a bit different than the standard choice.

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Photo of DaPeculierDane
4.32/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

From the Brewery: Our triple pale is a bastardization of three regionally distinctive recipes that were stacked in unequal measure in order to make a beefy beer which highlights each recipe's finer points: Esters from a dominant Flanders yeast are reigned-in by cleaner American and London strains; Kent Golding hops provide mild bitterness, giving English and Belgian specialty malts room to breath; Oregonian hops offer a fragrant nose; Belgian candy sugar boosts the strength of this mash-up to 8.5% ABV.

A triple pale ale??? Ok.

Furthermore is known for unclassifiable brews like the peppered pale ale Knot Stock and its Irish dry rauch stout Three-Feet Deep but this brew takes the cake when it comes to difficult to place within a set style parameter.

Appearance: Medium brown body with amber or perhaps mahogony highlights and a healthy beige foam. Not a common color for beer, especially an ale such as this.

Aroma: Damned complicated and kind of playful. As the beer warms dramatically different things start to happen. Each sniff brings new notes of interest. Let's begin with black tea since that is what I first noticed and that is the aroma stays most consistent over the course of the beer's short life in my glass. As the beer warms tobacco notes come out but before that come a slew of hop and yeast inspired fruits, herbs and spices: pineapple, ginger, rum, passion fruit, kiwi, and some raw iron for good measure.

Flavor: Like a bitter cup of tea cut with sugar and lemon or a lime wedge drizzled in simple syrup and topped with a mint leaf, or maybe crushed tobacco and a shot of rye. Complex and as changing with the temperature as the aroma.

Mouthfeel: A steady astringent tea leafy-herbal hopped quality lasts throughout. Full bodied. Notably boozy at times. Highly effervescent.

Drinkability: High. This beer changes so much from start to finish that by the time you down your last ounce you are ready to start all over again.

A hard beer to define, an easy beer to drink.

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Photo of blackearth
3.28/5  rDev -14.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Purchased from Ray's Liquors in Wauwatosa, WI. Poured into a DT snifter, the body was very dark red copper with suspended sediment that doesn't move. It looks like it's frozen. No head at all. I poured this nice and slow, so I'm guessing this is an old bottle. Aroma is of alcohol, sugary syrup and toffee. Full bodied with medium carbonation, this beer has a sweet caramelized sugar flavor that leads to a bit of an alcohol finish. It wasn't bad, but I think a fresh bottle would taste much better.

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Photo of bsp77
2.83/5  rDev -25.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Serving glass: Poured from bottle into Chalice.

Appearance: Cloudy, dull orange that turns fiery in the light. Massive foamy head with loads of lacing.

Smell: Dry, musty and earthy, with clove, banana and black pepper.

Taste: Strange upfront sweetness with caramel, raisins and banana. The finish is a little peppery and spicy, but also has a massive metallic flavor. So it goes from a sickly sweetness to licking a penny. Not good.

Feel: Moderate carbonation, medium body with a very chalky finish.

Overall: First of all this is not a Belgian IPA. But why do I care, because I will never drink this again. I may try again in case I had a bad bottle, but there is no reason that it should have been bad.

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Photo of pat61
4.25/5  rDev +11.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

A: Pours hazy amber under a 2” persistent white foam collar that grips the side of the glass providing thick lines of lace.
S: Bread, light fruit, scented with medium low grassy, minty citrus hop fragrance
T: Light fruit with rich malts balanced by citrus rind hop bitterness. Cola to Dr. Pepper flavors in the background. Slightly sweet but dries on the finish. Not a lot of linger.
F: medium body and carbonation
O: A medium impact beer with above average complexity.

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Photo of bpfrush
3.75/5  rDev -1.8%

Photo of WVbeergeek
3.35/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Appearance light bronze tea colored body with a light khaki head forms thick with fine speckled evenly coated lacing on the sides of my Allagash chalice. Aroma has some citrus peel notes with solid earthy hops as well with some mineral water and fruit undertones present from the caramel malt profile. The label says it's a mix of English, American, and Belgian pale. Flavor has a deep rich sweetness bringing about mildly spice raisin bread tones, orange peel, with a touch of yeast funk. The spice or citrus peel really holds down the flavor and a bit of residual sugars and alcohol bring out a very harsh finish. Mouthfeel has moderate carbonation levels a bit heavy at times, body is medium bodied there are some resins tea leaf bitterness left on the palate with a bit of residuals from fermentation making it a bit cloying. Drinkability overall it's just not my cup of tea, I don't think the fusion of three types of pale ale produces a new style that is better than any of it's parts. So is it innovative? Maybe, but is it a better creation overall...absolutely not.

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Photo of cokes
4.69/5  rDev +22.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

This really isn't a Belgian IPA, and doesn't claim to be, but that's the nearest jumping off point here on BA. This would otherwise squarely fit in the "experimental" category. Also, this needs to warm up to at least 50 degrees for full effect..straight out of the fridge doesn't work as well.

It pours ominously dark for a cross examination of three types of pale ales, a barely translucent deep mahogany trimmed with a trim and sticky beige foam.
The nose is broad and seems to bring a kaleidoscopic array of aromas with each sniff. Pineapple, plantain, rusted tin, black tea, lime leaves, almonds, mushrooms, aged sugar cane rum, liquorice, crystallized ginger... It's more obtuse than acute, and specific flavors are blurred, but it smells delicious. And it does smell strong, but that's not a turn off here.
Into the mouth, there a swelling rock candy sweetness that ebbs fruitier towards clementines, star fruit, underipe bananas, and kiwi. It transitions towards grain, but meanders first through something that seems barrel aged (though it absolutely is not, and thus is a thousand times more impressive), with it distinct notions of vanilla, toasted coconut, burnt caramel, and hazelnuts...and booze itself, and I'll get back to this in a bit. Grain takes over with doughy and nutty and spicy qualities that moderate the middle sections, and the booze starts to flare, giving it a rye whiskey lean. Likemind hops hit with spearmint, evergreen sap, lime juice, metallics, and dried herbs. The continuing lime and mint hop traits mingle with a transformed and forward rum-like booziness to create a lasting Mojito impression. It's 8.5% is worn up front, and is entirely integral to the taste.
It's medium-full build with small-beaded steady carbonation makes this drinkable despite the insistence of its ABV. It coats the mouth, then begs to be coated anew. Make no mistake, the strength is tasted. But like a great liquor, when it tastes this good, it only matters in how much trouble you'll get into.
As experiments go, this is a Platinum medal. All my preconceived notions were way off. I've never had anything like it, and I love it. This isn't a Belgian IPA, it's not Farmhouse anything, it's not even what they call it "a mash up of English American,and Belgian Pales".
It is what it is.
Perhaps "Ridiculously Fucking Innovative" and "a Motherfucking Revelation" could not be approved for the label, so they had to tag it somewhat lamer.
But as such, it succeeds tremendously and is an absolute must try for everyone that can find it (even at about $11-$12 a sixer). And don't let sticker shock balk you, buy all you can find.
With all this discovery, I'm not even sure how to rate it, and my initial numbers calculated out to a 4.85. That seemed high at first, now the present 4.55 seems embarrassingly conservative. This could be the jewel in any brewery's crown.
Whatever the math works out to, it is fantastic, and certainly cements Furthermore as a brewery to watch for (and buy from) amongst its better known regional peers.

Update 5/26/08:
5 months have seen the hops wither some and more familiar fruits (yellow apples and pears and figs) take control. It has moved past most of the raw rogueness that made me love it so much and melded into something akin to a well-hopped Dubbel. For those that thought the alcohol was a bit rough, it has begun to smooth out and will enjoy it more now.
But I was stricken with its brashness and I feel like it's losing its edge.
Still, though, it's very good, and I'm only nitpicking.

Update 11/24/08:
Trying one of this year's batch alongside one that's been aged a year. The fresh stuff is phenomenal and affirms my initial thoughts and ratings...the older stuff just good-ish at this point, and something like a dubbel / old ale cross...but without some of the depth that that description might hint at.
The hops seem to die quickly here, and they truly make this beer.
Don't bother aging any and get it as fresh as you can. It's a mindfuck then...and only then.

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Photo of ChopperSmith
3.95/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from a bottle into a chilled standard pint glass.

Appearance: Pours a nice clear medium brown with amber tints. Nice two finger tan foamy head with good retention and big sticky lacing on the sides as it fades to a frothy cap. Nice!

Smell: Sweet fruity Belgian yeast phenols of green apples, pear and some lemon. Some nice sweet floral hops underneath. Very nice!

Taste: Wow. Very nice combination of citrus hops and sweet Belgian yeast flavors. I don't think I've ever tasted another beer quite like this one. It's a hybrid between an India Pale Ale and a Belgian style ale, and since I like both, I really enjoy this beer. Another winner from the Furthermore brewery.

Mouth Feel: Medium to low carbonation & nice balance. I would have liked a little more carbonation, but it's not bad either.

Drinkability: A very good session beer for me, since I love the hybrid of styles. Has a good sweet Belgian-like flavor, but with a Pale Ale hoppiness to the finish. I will be getting more of this beer...after I finish this six pack off over the next day or two. Great stuff!

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Photo of Sammy
3.88/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Belgian IPA - I do not know, howoever the facts I do have: I bought this at Riley's in Madison based on recommendations by staff. I had no idea what I was drinking when I opened it, it smelled like a yeasty Belgian, and tasting akin to an old ale/American strong. Dark brown body with tremendous spider lacing. Very smooth, understated hops and great malting. I should have bought more bottles!

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Photo of dancinwillie
4.45/5  rDev +16.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a hazy dark amber. Small beige head is quick in it's retreat. Ruby highlights. Looks, and pours quite heavy.

Aroma is mostly yeast, the Belgian third of the brew. A bit of bready malt sweetness as well. I'm picking up a bit of citrus hop aroma as well.

Citrus hops mingle with fruity Belgium yeast flavors wonderfully! This is a new style to me, and a I've picked a very good ambassador in Make Weight. Malt is present, however restrained, and a bit bready, with some good sweetness to balance out the bitter hops, and tart fruit yeast. This is a tasty brew, and the flavor makes good on the aroma's promise.

Mouthfeel is thick and heavy, but somehow, doesn't seem out of place. Low carbonation, maybe too low, is the only thing stopping this from being a 5 category.

Overall, this is a fantastic beer. No alcohol comes through, and delicious, and sessionable to a certain degree. As soon as I'm done reviewing this, I'll be having mine with some homemade gumbo, which I made with homemade chicken stock, chicken, andouille sausage, and shrimp. I'm hoping they will go together well.

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Photo of Golden2wenty1
4.32/5  rDev +13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked up a six at Riley's here in Madison for $11.99. Always a pleasure to see a new one from Furthermore, who have put together a pretty impressive line-up in its short time on the market.

Described as "A single-batch conflagration of English-, American-, and Belgian-Style Pales".

Pour: dark amber-mahogany, nearly opaque under a finger of khaki foam that fades to a spotty coating and ring.

Nose: fragrant and floral hops, sweet, sugary, passion fruit esters, light musty yeast and whiff of alcoholic vapor.

Taste: herbal/metallic English hops, citrusy American varieties, syrupy sweet candy sugar, spicy Belgian yeast and a hearty alcohol burn.

Feel: viscous with a biting effervescence typical of many American-Belgians.

Drinkability/Overall: a cool concept from an innovative local brewery. Brash and rough around the edges, there's a lot going on here and I like most of it. Truly blurs the boundaries of style in a way we will be seeing more and more in the future of American craft beer.

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Photo of TheSupremeAJ
4.04/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Very good... not as good as its Belgina counterparts. Has barleywine like qualities and I don't quite see it as a Belgian IPA.

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Photo of NeroFiddled
4.22/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Furthermore MAKEWEIGHT -

It's an interesting concept, but how well do the styles all work out in the mix?

The Belgian component is the most obvious, being yeast, and its clove character is quite obvious in the nose. Its phenols carry through into the flavor as well, and there's a bit of 'burnt-plastic' and spiciness to it as well.

The English component, to me, is the second most obvious. The body is a hazy deep amber with golden highlights beneath a creamy head of off-white that leaves short but solid walls of lace around the glass. Clearly there's a little bit of caramel malt in there, which would make it more English than American - but not necessarily more Belgian than American. Regardless of how you resolve (or not resolve) that, the malt's a bit caramelish and bready. But I also find what I'd consider to be English hops in here... floral, slightly leafy, and a touch grassy - and even a bit slightly mettalic or mineralish. I'm thinking East Kent Goldings and Fuggles.

What about the American side? I'm guessing there are some American hops to it, but I think they're over-ridden by the Belgian yeast. I did find some fruitiness (fresh cut red delicious apple, pear, cherry, red berry, and perhaps a hint of pineapple and citrus), and that could be coming from some Amarillo or another hop (...or from the Belgian yeast... ?), but I don't clearly find them. So, noting that the yeast component is clearly not American, and the malt component is clearly not American, and the hops don't appear to be distinctly American - I think the U.S. has been short-changed! Even the bitterness level seems a touch low to be American.

But let's go back to the malt. It's English in nature, but there's far more going on than that. It's too heavy to be English pale - perhaps an old ale or a barleywine, but not a pale ale. And it's too sugary as well. That leaves us with just some English hops in an otherwise Belgian-style pale ale. But even that doesn't seem to fit. It's just too big and malty. The name is appropriate (Makeweight), because it's a weighty beer.

So what is it? Ahhh, it's Belgian, who cares? Belgians don't really categorize their beers like we do (or at least they didn't until recently). "Belgian IPA" works for me. But what about the beer? Despite its kind of odd-ball premise of throwing together three different recipes, it somehow works. It's rich and spicy, and sweet and phenolic, and hoppy and mineralish. The alcohol is present, but it never really steps forward. There's enough bitterness to balance it, and it finishes dry with some residual yeast spiciness and dull phenols.

Overall, it's worthy endeavor.

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Photo of dirtylou
4.15/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz single, riley's

always excited for a new furthermore release, consumed during giants-packers q2

appearance: poured into a bells tulip glass, dark garnet body, shines in the light of the tv and candles, nice beige froth head with decent lacing

smell: aromas favor the belgian side of this belgian/american/uk hybrid, yeasty and candy sugar, crisp floral hops, smooth malts and alcohol noticed

taste: served this up at a warmer temp on the advice of Cokes' review...not sure what to make of this interesting concept beer. there is a whole lot of complexity in this beer that really defies any classification...its big and boozy - the alcohol smacked me right in the face...belgian characteristics drive the flavor profile - brown candy sugar, lots of belgian sweetness, floral hops, smooth malt. A very nice beer from furthermore who continues to earn high marks in my book

mouthfeel: smooth and full bodied, strong alcohol

drinkability: ok

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4/5  rDev +4.7%

Photo of tempest
3.98/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On-tap at Stub and Herb's next to the U of M. Appeared a dark amber with a short off-white head, no lacing. I don't get a lot of hops out of this beer, but it's still a very fine Belgian pale ale. The around has bubblegum and mild clove phenols that follow up in the flavor along with spicy herb, grapefruit and citrus rind hops. It's deceptively drinkable, and at the $3.50 happy hour price, I could get myself in trouble all too easily. It's moderately bitter, and certainly bitter for a Belgian ale, but no stronger than your average American pale ale. Still, it's delicious and worth a try.

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Photo of kenito799
3.85/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz bottle poured into a Duvel glass.

This darkish reddish amber brew raises just a bit of a head which fades to a ring, spots of lace trickle down the sides of the glass.

The aroma is heavy malty with definite Belgian bubble gum notes. Fruity cooked apples and pears.

The flavor is definitely a mash-up, some nice hoppy bitterness holding up the American perspective with candi sugar maltiness. Not sure if there is anything English about this. Overall quite a good beer, but it is heavy and creamy, if that is what you are in the mood for great, but the high alcohol and heaviness make it tough to consider drinking more than one of these.

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Photo of russpowell
3.91/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Got this from imperialking, cheers Jeff!

Pours a rich amber/copper with 1 finger+ of tan head. Zero head retention & lacing, nice oily sheen to this

S: Apple peels, mushrooms & general orchard fruit

T: Apple peels, pears & a bit of white grape up front, plus lemon & grapefruit hops. Fruitttyness asserts itself as this warms with plenty of herbal & citric hops lurking in the background. Fruittyness with a touch of brown sugar & caramel in the finish, plus some more citric hops

MF: Fairly chewy with low carbonation & nice balance

A bit too rich to session on, but an interesting slant on the style, skews American West coast IMO. Hides the ABV well, this makes want to try more from these guys!

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Photo of HuaiDan
4/5  rDev +4.7%

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3/5  rDev -21.5%

Photo of morimech
4.09/5  rDev +7.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dark, clear copper with a small head even after an aggresive pour. The head quickly settles to a thin ring of suds. Minimal lacing is left on the glass. Darker version of the style but it lacks the visual attractiveness of Belgian versions.

Has a sweet aroma of caramel malt and candied sugar. Some hints of dark fruit. Hops add a citrus aroma of oranges and grapefruit. A little alcohol is picked up as well.

Hops really make an appearance in the taste. Citrus flavors are first and foremost. Belgian in the sweetness and boozy characteristics. American in the hop profile. Even the caramel malt adds a nice flavor.

Nothing spectacular about the mouthfeel. Feels heavier than it should and the carbonation does nothing to influence the score.

Earlier in the day I asked what would happen if darker malts where used in this style. I think it works. Maybe not perfectly executed in this beer but I think it is something others should use for inspiration. And why does this style require the ABV to be so high? This beer would of been just as good, if not better, at 5-7% ABV.

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Photo of brewbucker
4.23/5  rDev +10.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This one pours a dark very clean copper and has a medium off white head. Aroma is sweet hops and malts, light spice. The flavor has a wonderful spiciness to it. Mildly bitter hops, peat, and sweet malts. Also hints of pepper. Lots going on with this beer. As it warms now I am getting a bananna aroma. Mouthfeel is mildly silky. Overall I am quit impressed with this one.

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Photo of akorsak
3.97/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A 12 oz bottle courtesy of JAYW.

A: The ale is darker than most Belgian IPAs that I've seen. The label calls it a hybrid of the Belgian, English and American pale ale styles, so it seems that the darker, fuller English malts are at play here. The color is dark amber, a rich brown-red meld. A finger or so of head has laced in spots around the glass.

S: The nose has a solid malt backbone, caramel and touches of toffee. The Belgian aspect is dark candi sugar with lots of equally dark fruits.

T: As I ruminate on the beer, the Belgian influences strike me as yeast and sugar. The mouth has the full, happening taste of dark alefruits, raisins et al, and tart green apple. The caramel malts aren't nearly as pronounced as in the nose. Dark candi sugars further push the BSDA aspect. The American contribution, I surmise, is hoppiness. Unfortunately that element never really stands out. This is no Hop-It but I like that it veers far off of the path.

M: The mouthfeel is complex, packing the flavor of a Belgian dark ale and an English pale ale together.

D: The 8.5% is a little high but one bottle to sip over several hours will do you good.

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Photo of emerge077
3.98/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured this into a fluted Bokrijk tulip, and it produced a rising cylinder of tan foam that worked it's way above the rim, forming a convex bow. The fluffy cap stayed in place long enough to be impressive. Color was a deep crimson, with slow upward carbonation. Hazy suspended sediment in the glass, but nothing residual in the bottle. Patches of lace hang around the glass.

Mild nose of toffee and light apple. Some Belgian character from the yeast.

Caramel and apple flavors, with moderate carbonation that is welcome. It was a little fizzy at first but has mellowed after sitting a few minutes. Mildly bitter hops are detected in the background, but understated. Lightly spicy phenols suggest a higher alcohol content. Notion of tea or berry linger in the background too, more of a dried cherry. The fruit and spice character reminds me most of a Dubbel. Glad I tried the single, might look for it on tap when in Wisconsin.

Thanks to malcontent for snagging this in WI...

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Beer rating: 3.82 out of 5 with 140 ratings