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Spaten Optimator | Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

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Spaten OptimatorSpaten Optimator

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Style: Doppelbock

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 7.60%

Availability: Year-round

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Photo of RushLimbmalt
3.68/5  rDev -5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a dark ruby/brown and has a white head. It has a nice sweet malty aroma, raisins, caramel and toffee... Not bad for a German macro offering. It is not a world beater, but it is a solid Doppelbock. I couldn't say anything bad about it at all. I would buy it again, but not if there was any Salvatore to be had.

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Photo of beertastegood
3.63/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Have enjoyed this brew for a few years now...

Appearance: nice dark amber color, little head that dissipated quickly.

Smell: Oh, man. This one smells like a beer that will smack you across the face if you are not careful. Malty, alcohol smell.

Taste: Good. Like any decent doppelbock should taste, with strong malty character, some hop flavors at the end, and a strong alcohol taste all the way through.

Mouthfeel: Can't really describe this one. Close to Salvator.

Drinkability: Watch out with this one! Despite the alcohol flavor, it will still sneak up on you.

Overall, a good doppelbock that holds its own with the rest of them.

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Photo of beveragecaptain
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This beer pours out a reddish brown with just a little head. Crisp malt aroma. Very sweet malty flavor, but a high crabonation prevents the beer from being cloying. The carbonation makes the beer seem spicy, which is very pleasant in this beer. It could almost be described as refreshing, which is interesting, given the style. A good once in a while beer for me.

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Photo of plaztikjezuz
4.35/5  rDev +11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

pours dark amber, light lace for a head.

aroma is mostly malt, slight hop.
flavor is mostly malt, followed by noble hop flavor, good bitterness, mixed with some dried dark fruit like dates. then the alcohol becomes apperent.

aroma is even more malty, very slight hop.
flavor is very malty, little roasty, more of the dried dark fruit (dates), bitterness is more present, caramal. alcohol.

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Photo of edchicma
4/5  rDev +2.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A solid draft brew..on tap at the Munich Haus in Chicopee, MA. Poured a nice medium amber with decent head and lacing. Smell was mainly rounded malts witha hint of alcohol...very inviting. Taste was simiilarly malty with a hint of alcohol. Very smooth for the high abv. Mouthfeel was medium with a nice creamy quality. Very easy on the drinkability scale.

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Photo of ski271
4.67/5  rDev +20.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Everybody knows that beer tastes better on tap that out of a bottle, and I couldn’t think of a better example than the Optimator. I also had this beer at Schnitzel’s Tavern in Bellefonte, PA, a German restaurant that knows how to pour a beer.

This doppelbock is a very dark, slightly-reddish brown beer with a small to medium sized off-white head that mostly diminished except for a thin layer that lingered for most of the way down and left a decent amount of lacing. Aroma is heavy of roasted malts and a caramel sweetness, which I’m a sucker for, but it was also slightly fruity. Taste follows suit, being dominated by the sweetness of the roasted malts, but there was also a light hops presence and a hint of grape or currant. The finish is wonderful and lingering with a nice hops kick and a little alcohol. The mouthfeel is thick and creamy with low to average carbonation. I adore this beer and think there almost needs to be separate ratings for bottle and draught. I'd give it a 5 for taste if only it tasted consistently as good as it does at Schnitzel's.

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Photo of Sammy
3.28/5  rDev -15.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

A very average brew. A dark amber appearance with a great head that fades slowly and that's it. No smell, no real taste. Carbonation spice and medium-light mouthfeel. Some malt in aftertaste. Nothing offensive I can say, disapointed. Maybe its better on tap with a spicy lunch.

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Photo of aquatonex
4.2/5  rDev +8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Partook of this wonderful brew at Hofbrauhaus in West Springfield, MA.

Pours dark brown with a deep ruby tinge. A little creamy head with very good lacing throughout. Smells of roasted sweet malts, some fruit undertones, and slight hops. Taste is very good with the malts being slightly sweet, caramel and roasty. Fruit notes are also noticeable that give the brew an extra bit of sweetness. Hops round out the beer to create a quite solid beer.

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Photo of kmpitz2
4.05/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Off tap, served in an Optimator mug. This beer poured a deep rubied brown color, with a 2 finger head that falls to coat the beer. The nose is nice caramel with a touch of roasted character and a hint of fruity esters. The flavor was nutty and roasted with a sweet caramel roaring in as well. Just a hint of bitter comes through on the finish. The feel was moderate to thick, very filling and very nice. I enjoyed this beer, though it will never be one of my favorites, as the style just doesn't suit me.

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Photo of SheepNutz
4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

On-tap poured into a Spaten half-liter dimpled mug. It pours a dark ruby red, almost black color with two fingers of head that die down quickly. There is just a touch of lacing left on the glass. The smell is fairly sweet and malty. Lots of caramel, a touch of honey, and just a hint of alcohol. No hops in sight. The taste is also fairly sweet. Lots of chewy roasted malts and caramel flavors. Just a hint of alcohol in the finish to keep you in check. The mouthfeel is nice and thick, yet smooth. The drinkability suffers some due to the alcohol. A nice doppelbock.

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Photo of walleye
3.8/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

When I found out that this was a dopplebock I thought good because I lke dopplebocks and hoping it would be like my fravorite beer, celebrator.but no . but still a good beer. poured a light granet color with a light tan head. aroma, malts, yeast, chocolate, some alcohol, and a nice sweet sourness, hints of toffee. flavor, roasted malts, dark fruits, maple syrup, molasses, raisins.

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Photo of Sycodrummer
2.28/5  rDev -41.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1

After reading the reviews here i thought i would enjoy this one as i enjoy others of the same style. Recents had a 5oz. sampler of it at Sunset Grill and Tap and I'm glad it was only 5oz.

The appearance looks great; a nice copper/dark brown with a thick one finger head that lasted the entire serving

Smell was okay, a little off what i expected, smelled a bit sweet and some caramel as well.

Taste was not good, at first could not quite detect what it reminded me of then i realized it was molasses. I very thin but similairly flavored type of molasses, almost tempted not to finish it.

Mouthfell was close to the taste, a thin molasses that if left to long on the palate became almost "un-swallowable"

Drinkablity was nearly impossible, i finished the 5oz but it was indeed a chore, will not have again any time soon and can't in good conscience recommend this brew

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Photo of Citadel82
4.1/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Pours a deep chocolate brown..perhaps rich mahogany. One finger of tightly bubbled tan head, little lacing evident.

Smell is figs and dried fruit, raisins, currants, moist fresh ginger bread ... faint traces of alcohol. Sublime.

The taste is caramel, malts, toffee, dried apples with a bitersweet chocolate in the finish.

Mouthfeel is a gently carbonated brew with some malty substance to it.

Drinkability, late night typing a review or a letter, or reading a good book. Absolutely perfect.

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Photo of beertaster13
3.38/5  rDev -13.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Optimator is a quality beer at that, it pours a nice copper color with orange hints, a gorgeous tan head expands as you pour. The smell is of honey and caramel and deep roasted malts. The taste is very syrupy, caramel and roasted honey up front and a light grain after tone, not bad but a little to malty for my tastes, good solid beer however.

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Photo of HochFliegen
3.73/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a near brown reddish color. A thin white head that dissapated to a film and not much more.
The smell was very malty. A hint of the 7.2% alcohol was also present. No hop smell that I could detect. The mats gave it a strong carmel and raisin smell as well.
The taste was mostly sweet from the malts with a slight nuttiness to it. A hint of fruits also in the middle of the sip thats almost offset when the hops kick in. Not that its a big kick from the hops but it does take an edge of the sweetness which I liked.

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4.35/5  rDev +11.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Ruby-infused dark walnut brown. The jewel tone red looks more orange when there's less beer to peer through, such as at the bottom edge of the glass. The pale cinnamon head is large to start, has a nearly blemish free surface and is a bit sticky where foam meets glass. Not too much lace, a few scattered splotches is all.

The nose is of roasted malt with a wee whiff of alcohol. It's somewhat disappointing since there's little chocolate or other interesting aromas that would give it depth or character. Then again... the nose takes on additional aromas--dark caramel especially--with warming, but still doesn't open up as completely as the flavor.

The flavor and the mouthfeel elevate things considerably. While the beer is nice and malty, apparently the malt wasn't roasted long enough to bring out much chocolatiness. Some cocoa flavor and some nuttiness is evident however. Hops are clearly subservient to malt, but I can still appreciate their flavor contribution, their bitterness and their ability to take the edge off of the malted milk ball sweetness.

I'm beginning to pick up some fruitiness and the beer is developing more layers of flavor, more nuance, as I enter the bottom half of the bottle. It's definitely coming into its own with warming; room temperature is the optimal Optimator temperature one might say. The body is medium-slightly full. More full than Celebrator, less full than Liberator. What was lightly silky initially is now silky and creamy.

Spaten Optimator is a good-very good doppelbock, but doesn't quite rise to the heights of my two latest beers in the style (Hooker Liberator and Sam Adams Double Bock). If you like doppels though, Optimator more than suffices. Just don't make the mistake of drinking it too cold.

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Photo of RootedFool
4.6/5  rDev +18.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Large tan head on the pour, over an inch tall, dense and frothy. Body is opaque, blackish brown, and bright crimson when held to the light. Smell: prune juice, toasted sour dough bread, raisins; thick and rich. Taste: opens with a bitter-shelled blast of prune-like tartness all over my palate, followed by a raspy bitterness that takes center-stage, flanked brilliantly by the bright fruitiness. The finish is a thin, mildly puckering citrus rind bitterness, with the fading sweetness of dark fruits in the background. Middling carbonation. Mouthfeel like whole milk, really perfect. I picked this up on the cheap and I'm very impressed.

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Photo of Hagbard
3.88/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

The Optimator! A doppelbock, one of the styles I haven't yet completely wrapped my arms around. Sometimes I love them, sometimes they rub me the wrong way. This one pours a deep dark ruby color with bright red flames where light makes a valiant effort to escape. The aroma wafts up as dark overripe fruit, plums perhaps. I can't really pick out anything else in the aroma. The taste, however, is very complex. It begins with the dark fruit notes, but quickly fades to a bread taste. Fitting, considering the doppelbock's history. The bready taste fades into an alcoholic bite on the back of the tongue. The finish and aftertaste both exhibit more of the bready taste, this time even more magnified. This beer truly does seem chewy. The mouthfeel seems creamy and full, contributing to the chewy feel. I prefer this beer served cooler, in the 48-50 degree range. When it warms, the sweet fruit aspect dominates and becomes cloying. I've seen this in other dbacks, including Celebrator. I'm not sure if it's just me or not...

Overall, I wouldn't say I think this is a great or fantastic beer. However, I did enjoy the 6 pack I bought and I'll probably buy it in the future. It's very solid and interesting, plus the price is very reasonable.

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Photo of beerceller99
3.7/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12 oz. bottle with a code of L09841S, what ever that means.
Pours a garnet hue with a big brown head. Has a black licorice sweet smell. Taste is a strong, dark caramel, black licorice and chocolates. Full bodied, almost syrupy mouthfeel. Finishes with a slight bitter alcohol taste.
This brew tastes best at warmer temps. 60-65 degrees.

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Photo of trancefishy
4.02/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Been a couple years since I've had this one.
Appearance is very dark, mostly brown with a glint of red. coarse tannish head that simmers down and doesn't leave much lacing.
nose is sweet and smells a bit figgy.
taste is very sweet dark cherry and fig taste up front, dropping down to a hoppy cleanliness before swallowing. gentle sweet aftertaste that lingers for a bit, agging you on for another sip.
moutfeel is a bit thin and bubbly, but not bad.
good dopplebock, and not a bad price to boot. recommended.

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Photo of Truh
3.83/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Fought Megatron and the rest of the Decepticons with this one on 1/24/2004. Looks like a 20-oz. pour in a large, brick-handled stein at Jacob Wirth’s.

Froth of initial head sets up nicely in the stein to settle down into a filmy, oracle-inspiring covering. Light caramel hue and clear as a cloudless, autumn day. Buttery, velvet malt aroma with just an echo of roastiness in there. The buttery aspects noted on the nose are not as pronounced on the tongue; the malt pulls through with a nice floater of treacle that does not coat the mouth unnecessarily. Crisp and clean, I would exterminate this offering many times over.

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Photo of RenoZymurgist
2.79/5  rDev -28.3%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Poured a clear, deep red beer with a thin off-white head that wouldn't retain itself even when i swirled the last bit of beer in the bottle then dumped it into the glass. Aroma is of rich sweet dark caramel and no sulfur to be detected means the lager yeast was treated correctly. The taste is an initial blend of deep caramel sweetness, munich malt roastiness, and a subtle noble hop bitterness which segues to an even malt flavor and finishes with a touch of anise, more malt flavor, and an alcoholic warmth. Mouthfeel leaves a bit to be desired however as it dosent lend a smoothness to the beer. The carbonation is artifical and it leaves a harsh carbonic bite which i dislike in a lager. Overall not too drinkable as the higer alcohol isn't compensated by smoothness and the beer dosen't lend itself to truly exemplify the rich body of the Bock style.

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Photo of etaggie09
2.71/5  rDev -30.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Brown with a ruby tint. Pretty good head and lacing. Whitish brown head that stayed for a little while.

Aroma: Malty, fruity, alcoholic. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Taste: not much here. A light sweet malty flavor with a little chocolate in the background but I can't find much else.

Mouthfeel: Watery with moderate carbonation. Nowhere near as strong as a dopplebock's mouthfeel should be.

Drinkability: Easy, but why would you want to have another?

Notes: This was not very impressive to me. I had both the Ayinger Celebrator and Samichlaus in the same weekend, and this one impressed me as being average, almost bock-like in its maltiness, certainly not up to dopplebock standards.

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Photo of inebrius
3.57/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Since there are already 200+ reviews for this beer you won't mind that I not detail the nuances of Optimator. I can say this though: fruit cake. Dense and nutty with sweet brandied fruit that coats the inside of your face like an hateful older brother twisting your arm to the point of dislocation. I wouldn't turn one down if extended.

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Photo of claytri
3.55/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

The beer was presented in a tulip glass. It was a dark ruby with a fingers worth of tan head. The aroma was amazing. You could smell tanin and dark cherry. The promise of the smell was compelling and I could hardly wait to taste. I brought it to my lips and got a little malt and fruit. That was it. Nothing terrible, but nothing great was happening. Maybe I just put too much anticipation behind it. But, anyway you cut it I was not impressed. The feel was simply extremly dry. Not a beer I would duck if offered, but I don't see me giving up Aventinus for it.

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Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
3.89 out of 5 based on 3,005 ratings.
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