Spaten Optimator | Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu

BA SCORE
88
very good
3,048 Ratings
Spaten OptimatorSpaten Optimator
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
Germany
franziskaner-weissbier.de

Style: Doppelbock

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 7.60%

Availability: Year-round

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by BeerAdvocate on 04-06-1999

BEER STATS
Ratings:
3,048
Reviews:
1,333
Avg:
3.9
pDev:
12.31%
 
 
Wants:
97
Gots:
438
For Trade:
0
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Ratings: 3,048 |  Reviews: 1,333
Photo of entenduintransit
3.71/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Photo of PaulLindquis
4.79/5  rDev +22.8%
look: 5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75

Photo of psoriasaurus
4.25/5  rDev +9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of Beerwithoutallthehops
3.93/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.25

A very good doppelbock. It is more flavorful, more malty (ah!!! did I say that??!!) than even I prefer, but it is good. Comparing to the Warsteiner Dunkel, this is about the same. I consider both to be "liquid bread" type beers. A little much for me, I would tend toward the lighter Doppebocks, like the Leinenkugel "big butt" offering. But the flavor of this is good. I drank it a little warmer than I do usually and enjoyed it immensely. I prefer this "overpowering" taste to the 75 lb bags of hops found in most, if not all, USA "craft" 12 oz. bottles. Hops are bitter and "crisp" (in that they dont have a lot of flavor, just spiciness) and only prolong shelf life, which most breweries prefer.

I do not. Give me an accent of hops, like what is found in a lot of German beers, but not the overpowering bitterness, which strangles whatever malt may be found in the beer, to death, which describes most or all USA craft offerings.

Thanks Spaten, a good brew! Will definitely buy more.

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Photo of DrMullet
3.5/5  rDev -10.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a very dark brown color.
Smell is sweet malt with a bit of dark fruit.
Taste is sweet bready malt with a strong rasin flavor.

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Photo of SamuelD3
3.96/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Photo of dannycohen62
3.75/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of bluesyasian
3.85/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of BrewMaven
2.74/5  rDev -29.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75

I'll have to re-visit this, I think I got a slightly skunked example..

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Photo of nobodywonder
3.68/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Photo of cgrunin
4.15/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Photo of thoglund
4.1/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of HoodviewBrew
3.5/5  rDev -10.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of aufie
3.92/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Photo of Ozzylizard
4.1/5  rDev +5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

$ 1.89/12 oz bottle ($ 0.157/oz) at The Lager Mill, Frankenmuth, MI
Bottle dated 02.2017 at 42 degrees into hand washed and dried JK snifter
Aroma – lightly toasted malt, no hops
Head large (Maximum 5.5 cm, aggressive pour), light tan, creamy, slowly diminishing to a seven mm ring and layer of irregular thickness
Lacing fair – partial rings of tiny bubbles
Body – dark amber, clear
Flavor – begins sweet but not overwhelmingly so, toasted malt flavor predominates with just a trace of caramel, no fruity esters noted; no hops, no alcohol, no diacetyl
Palate full, creamy, soft carbonation

This is one from before I started my database in 2005 – sweet, smooth, an excellent example from my early non-BMC days that I haven’t revisited and rated until now. Not as good as I remember but those brain cells could have died.

Appearance 4, Aroma 4, Flavor 4.25, Palate 4, Overall 4

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Photo of ControlVolume
3.5/5  rDev -10.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Boring dopplebock

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Photo of gddgb
4.43/5  rDev +13.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.75

Photo of Prost76
3.85/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of Cthulhusquid
4.4/5  rDev +12.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Look: Dark brown body, little to no white head.

Smell: Dark fruits and molasses. Kind of like a fruit filled rye bread.

Taste: Same as the above, but with a distinct kettle corn flavor.

Feel: Medium body and carbonation. The alcohol isn't hidden very well, and drinks like an 8%-9% beer.

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Photo of JordanlikesAles
3.93/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of Drew_V_dt
3.85/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of stevoj
4.09/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Nice and smooth , mildly bitter and smoky. Dark brown to black with small but substantial beige head. Aroma is roast grains, semi sweet chocolate, peat and dried fruit. Taste is mildly sweet with a touch of bitterness. Almost as good as Salvator.....

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Photo of Squire123
4.35/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This one sells for $7.49 a sixer at my local. When it shows up I buy as much as I can carry. Remarkable sum of the parts beer beginning with rich deep color, full mouth filling flavor and texture, so lavish it's hard to swallow because you want to keep on tasting. Malt forward, hops supporting like a beautiful sonorous piano backed by a string orchestra. Fortunately the aftertaste is a receding diminishment of the same. Another one to seek out wherever found.

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Photo of horatio_cornholer
4.11/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Photo of Botulizard
4.25/5  rDev +9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Spaten Optimator from Spaten-Franziskaner-Bräu
3.9 out of 5 based on 3,048 ratings.
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