Aigre (Sour) Plead The 5th | Dark Horse Brewing Company

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Aigre (Sour) Plead The 5thAigre (Sour) Plead The 5th

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Dark Horse Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: American Double / Imperial Stout

Alcohol by volume (ABV): not listed

Availability: Winter

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Added by MasterSki on 12-29-2010

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Reviews: 18 | Ratings: 80
Photo of craytonic
4.32/5  rDev +12.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Popped this one with habmike

Appearance: Pour is a dark black/mahogany, near still

Smell: Chocolate, tart cherries, vanilla, oak, leather. Not "sour" in the Cantillon sense of the word.

Taste: Tart cherries, good chocolate, smooth bourbon, french oak. Very buttery.

Mouthfeel: Very full, I actually like that it is undercarbonated.

Drinkability: I really enjoyed this one. Wish I had saved a bit as I think it would be good on ice cream. Somehow the lack of carbonation and the slight tart cherry notes really did it for me. I got another one and am going to sit on it for a year or so.

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Photo of Urbancaver
4.31/5  rDev +11.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Brought to Jackie O's by Norm aka Rob aka Will aka the rabbit man. Thanks for sharing!

Pours a dark dark brown almost black. A hint of rddish tint on the edges. Smells buttery and bourbon heavy. Tastes a bit tart... The Brett sourness is very subtle but definitely present. Smooth bourbon hits strong. Vry nice on the tongue. Overall a very nice version of plead the fifth.. Not as good as the regular bourbon but the brett is at least interesting

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Photo of mothman
4.2/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours a fizzy dark tan head. Color is a deep black.

Aroma: Pretty much plead the fifth flavors with a noticeable cherry flavors. A little bit of bourbon showing through.

Taste: Sour Pt5. It is very unique. Sour cherries combined with bourbon, chocolate, caramel, coffee and roasted malts.

Mouthfeel: Sour and roasted. Full bodied with a medium amount of carbonation. Ends dry and roasted.

Overall, this beer may be better than regular Pt5. It is very tasty. Reminds me of a cherry ris.

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Photo of MasterSki
4.17/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to TurdFurgison for sharing. Not sure why sour is written in French. This IS also bourbon-barrel aged, but there is no mention of this on the label.

A - Cap came off really easily - hope this wasn't due to them frantically bottling this to have it ready for the incredibly disorganized release party. In any case, pours with almost no head - only some big, dark reddish mocha bubbles that dissipate quickly. Still black body with some brown at the fringes.

S - Lots of vanilla and butterscotch, as well as some lactic notes. Not very sour at all. Some oak and spicy booze. This is all in addition to the standard earthy dark roasted grain and cocoa character of Plead the 5th.

T - I can almost crib my notes from Bourbon Barrel Plead the 5th - "The taste is quite excellent, with a hefty amount of dark roasted grain, caramel, vanilla, butterscotch, and other sweet things. Again, the bourbon makes its presence known through barrel flavors and depth, rather than in-your-face harsh whiskey." No obvious sourness - just a buttery note that is evocative of English stouts. Still quite delicious in any case.

M - Very low carbonation, smooth full body, sticky finish. While I don't know the exact ABV, I'm assuming it's similar to the 14-15% quoted for the non-sour variety, in which case it is masterfully hidden. Could use more carbonation, but for the style it's not a big problem to have carbonation this low.

D - This just doesn't seem very different from Bourbon Barrel Plead the 5th, other than a slight buttery, lactic note. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Needs more bubbles too.

My advice - check the cap (and re-crimp if you have the proper tools). Then sit on this for 6-12 months to see if it sours up. Drink the regular Bourbon Barrel Plead the 5th, as it seems to be ready to go right out of the gate.

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Photo of TurdFurgison
4.09/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

I picked up a few bottles of this at the Dark Horse 4elf party this year, opened my first one at a post-Christmas tasting in Chicago.

Apparently the cap came off with very little effort, a dangerous sign for those that will be shipped (and I've already shipped one to Colorado!). Little carbonation though, I wonder if the cap would hold against a more vigorous beer.

It poured a dark and opaque brown, very few bubbles on top. It presented the same on tap at the release, very little head. On the nose this doesn't seem sour per se, but I do get a little oak along with the roasted malts and light chocolate. Dark fruits too, raisins and plums, that sort of thing.

It tastes like a lightly barrel aged RIS, not really like a sour beer. In time I hope to hear how this was made, maybe the bugs haven't done their work yet. It did taste good though, just not in the ways I expected. Cocoa, toffee, molasses, other sweet stout flavors, also a light touch of booze (bourbon I guess), I liked the flavors but kept searching for something more tart to present itself.

Very little carb, giving a creamy and thick-feeling body. It feels like a big beer, which it is. I've got one bottle left, and probably I'll hold it for a while in case there are bugs trying to do their thing (not sure how active they'll be in the bottle though).

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Photo of brew3crew
4.08/5  rDev +6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Part of an epic tasting at jackie o's with brad and Co.

A-black body with almost no head
S-little bit of bourbon as it warms up
T-subtle bourbon. Little tart on the finish. Nice variation.
M-medium body and a nice bourbon aftertaste
O-nice variation on bb ptf but I like the former better

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Photo of AgentZero
4/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to TurdFurgison for sharing this one at a tasting in Chicago.

A - Dark brown beer that get close to black when it's out of the light. Little bit of tan head, nothing really left on the sides.

S - Vanilla, roast, some chocolate, there's really not a ton of sour on this one. honestly not sure exctly where they were going with this one as sour doesn't seem present.

T - Some butter, roast, vanilla, there's a bit of bourbon. Just a slight bit o wood with some caramel, still not really getting any of the sour on this, but as far as a barrel aged stout goes it's solid.

M - Full bodied, lower carbonation, very smooth.

O - Decent barrel aged RIS, but it's not fantastic and it's not sour. Decent beer, but somewhat confusing.

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Photo of 4DAloveofSTOUT
3.97/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

tried this beer this on saturday nite with some friends! Thanks for bringing it out Jeff!

reviewed from notes.

Appearance: black bodied beer with an almost nonexistant head.

Smell: bourbon and chocolates. Maybe some subtle sour smell here.

Taste: Bourbon sweetness and big impy stout flavors of coffee, vanilla, and chocolate. Midtaste you get a mild to moderate sour taste that actually works well with in this big stout. Finish is still a bit sour and no booze is in the finish.

Mouthfeel: high end of medium bodied beer with low carbonation. This beer has a really slick and oily feel to it.

Overall: This is a really interesting beer. Really breaks the mold of how beer can taste. Great creativity by Dark Horse on this beer! Its interesting how a beer can be both sweet and sour at the same time!

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Photo of zachary80
3.97/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

2012 4Elf Cork and Cage 750ml.
Bottle 3 of 304, batch 3838/9 (unsure second digit of batch)
Super tough to get the cork out but is nicely carbonated.

Black body, good head that stays about 1cm throughout the glass, good lacing. Very good for an imperial stout.

Black cherry sour notes, some roasted malt, sweetness of the underlying stout.

Flavor is a little lighter than expected and front-loaded, mostly following the aroma. Finish is somewhat dry and short, a little chocolate, just a small amount of lasting bitterness. Definitely sour but not puckering.

Mouthfeel is thin, apparent carbonation seems low. I would say this isn't below average for a sour stout but I would still expect more on an imperial. Alcohol is only really noticeable once this warms up to near room-temp, then it hangs around but remains mild.

Very good, but not my favorite sour imperial stout. Not sure I prefer it over regular Plead the Fifth but is a nice addition to the sour stouts I've had. The difference in this bottle was much more noticeable than in the drafts at 4Elf 2010.

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Photo of liamt07
3.96/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Bottle from buzze40, 750ml into a tulip. Batch 32057, bottle 156 of 304. Insanely tough cork to remove.

Black with a light tan head, without any lace or retention. Nose of black cherries, chocolate, some roast, light oak and general berry aromas. Taste has roast, dark fruits, a mild sourness, tart berries and dark chocolate. Light body for the style, and perhaps on the flatter side of things in terms of carbonation. Regardless, this has disguised the alcohol substantially and was still pretty decent.

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Photo of Sammy
3.95/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

An imperial stout at heart, with sourness that is bretty in the finish. Roast aroma. Very undercarbonated, despite a cork that took Shwartzneiger work to remove. Very dark brown without a head. Middling and smooth mouthfeel.Liam’s bottle, thanks for sharing.

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Photo of Thorpe429
3.94/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to TurdFurgison for opening this bottle at the post-Christmas Chicago tasting. Served in a Cantillon tulip.

Pours a pretty dark brown with a minimal amount of light foam on the top of the beer without too much else there. The nose is pretty good. There really isn't all that much sourness. I would think this has to have been accidentally infected, as I was curious about the concept to begin with and this doesn't seem like it was intentionally soured. Who knows. Some chocolate and roast there as well as a bit of woody character.

The taste again shows no sourness but does have a good dose of wood and chocolate. Very nice roast there as well. The mouthfeel is pretty good. It is somewhat thick and the barrel character works well. Pretty drinkable, though. Interesting, but I still don't really see the point of this one.

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Photo of jrallen34
3.89/5  rDev +1%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Eric for busting out this rarity...Light black that still has brown on the edge. Hardly any carbonation...The aroma is super buttery, actually pretty good. Vanilla, cocoa, roast, but not sour...More butter on the taste, bourbon shows itself off now. Complex notes of vanilla, bourbon, caramel. Pretty good, but again no sour.

This is a decent barrel aged beer, but seems to leave you wanting more as its advertised as sour and you don't get any. Super rare but I wouldn't trade much to get it. Maybe it will be sour over time.

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Photo of HopHead84
3.62/5  rDev -6%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5


Bottle shared by Carlos (Seaoflament) at Lost Abbey's 5th anniversary. Thanks!

A: Nondescript. Pitch black with really no head. Pretty much still.

S: Dark chocolate with plum, grape, and a mild lactic sourness. It seems like this was unintentionally infected. Not bad though. Lightly roasted with some oak and vanilla. Not much evident booze.

T: The flavor is better than the aroma. Dark chocolate integrates well with sour cherry and plum. Lightly roasted with a big lactic presence. Mild booze with oak in the finish.

M: Flat and full in body. Smooth and sticky mouthfeel.

Overall: An interesting beer that was enjoyable. I definitely prefer the base beer though.

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Photo of womencantsail
3.58/5  rDev -7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks for this bottle, Derek.

Pours nearly black in color with a small khaki head. Starts off with fairly regular stout aromas such as roasted malt, coffee, and some vanilla from the oak. The vinegar and sourness come through toward the back end. It also has an interesting grass aroma. Tastes a bit more sour than it smells, but still lots of roasted malt and a hint of coffee. The oak flavor is there and provides a slightly drying tannic feel to the beer. A decent amount of vinegar, but not overly acetic. There is even a touch of fruit on the palate.

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Photo of UCLABrewN84
3.51/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 3 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to GRG1313 for sharing this one at his tasting.

Pours an opaque black with a foamy dark khaki head that fades to nothing. No lacing on the drink down. Smell is sour with dark roasted malt, cocoa, acidic, and funk aromas. Taste is much the same with slightly sour cocoa and funk flavors on the finish. There is a mild amount of roast bitterness and acidity on the palate with each sip. This beer has a low level of carbonation with an almost flat mouthfeel. Overall, this is a pretty good beer that is tasty but could use more carbonation in my opinion.

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Photo of jaasen64
3.24/5  rDev -15.8%
look: 2.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2 | overall: 2.75

750ml bottle from the '12 4 Elf release. Split 4 ways during our Plead the 5th mini tasting, poured into Lawson's tulip. Hard to read the black on black ink, but it looks like this is bottle 150 something out of ~300 bottles released. Thanks Paul (Anonymous1) for the hookup.

A- Pours a completely still jet black that leaves some alcohol legs but pretty much nothing else going on. Looks similar in appearance to the regular Pt5 except it doesn't have any head to speak of and absolutely no carbonation.

S- Lots of dark fruits such as cherries, grapes, raspberries, etc. with a nice slightly vinegary sourness to it and some oak barrel notes in the background. Nice balance, pleasant smelling for a dark sour, fairly aromatic, decently complex. Surprisingly the aroma was actually quite nice and is pretty much on par with other top notch sours such as Tart of Darkness.

T- This is where the beer starts to go downhill. The taste does not quite follow through from the nose and is subdued and watery. Subtle flavors of dark fruits, cherries, faint dark chocolate, and a slight acetic watery finish. While the taste wasn't terrible, I was kind of let down especially after how nice the aroma was.

M- This was by far the worst part of the beer and what caused it's downfall. The only good thing I can say about the feel is that it was drinkable and decently smooth besides that though the beer was entirely flat and fairly watery which completely destroyed anything the beer had going on for it and made it almost undrinkable. Easily one of the flatest and worst feeling beers I've encountered.

O- After hearing the reviews I had very low expectations going into this beer. Besides the aroma which was actually quite nice this beer was kind of a mess mostly because it was completely flat. If they could add some carbonation to it it might actually be fairly decent. I'd like to see them make this beer again and fix the carbonation issues, but otherwise I probably wouldn't be looking to try it again any time soon.

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Photo of Dope
2.96/5  rDev -23.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 2

This year's batch, a couple months old.

A: Pitch-black pour, big dense medium brown head. Head fades impossibly slow and never fully disappears; great retention. Heavy, thick tufts of lacing on the glass.

S: Quite sour fruits. Cherries and grapes mainly. Mild dark fruits and roasted malt with some booziness.

T: Up front, sour sour sour cherries with just a hint of grape. Leather in the middle. Quick burst of roasted malt in the middle and in the finish with some decent chocolate and char. Changes back to even more sour fruits. Kind of a bile-like taste, feels like I just threw up a regular PT5. Hints of sweet milk chocolate in the aftertaste.

M: On the heavier side but with high carbonation that lightens it up a bit.

O: Meh, I just don't see the appeal with this one. PT5 is great but this covers up 90% of the PT5 flavor with an unpleasant sourness. I think I liked even the Lambeaks better than this one. This just tastes like an infected/ruined PT5. I choked down some and then poured it out.

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Aigre (Sour) Plead The 5th from Dark Horse Brewing Company
3.85 out of 5 based on 80 ratings.
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