Piet-Agoras | Brouwerij Het Alternatief

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Style: Belgian Strong Dark Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 9.00%

Availability: Year-round

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Added by Bitterbill on 10-27-2008

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Reviews by Soonami:
Photo of Soonami
4.3/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had on draught at Eulogy. The bartender described this as a sour Belgian dark/brown ale with Brett, which I think was a fair description for what the beer was. I Think perhaps this is miscategorized here on BA because the beer definitely had a pronounced brett character that I can only assume is intentional.

The beer was a reddish brown with a fluffy off-white head. The aroma was sweet and fruity tinged with a twinkle of acidity. The taste was very good if you were expecting a sour beer with white wine, lemon, and pear flavors that subsided as the funk and woody hops became more prominent. The finish was crisp and acidic, which made for a great warm weather beer.

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Photo of tigg924
3.41/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: redish brown, hazy, with a small head

Smell: a mix of grapefruit, melon, spice, and cherry

Taste: It follows the smell

Mouthfeel: semi-sour and way smooth

Drinkability: I would have this again. This hides the alcohol really well...Not overly sour, but original and a good brew.

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Photo of mattfancett
3.5/5  rDev -8.4%

Photo of NeroFiddled
4.3/5  rDev +12.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Piet-Agoras pours a slightly hazy orange-amber beneath a full head of creamy off-white foam that holds quite well. It leaves some impressive initial rings of lace about the glass, and then some thin sheets and wide splashes.

The aroma is gently caramelish, fruity, softly woody, a touch candyish, and even somewhat chalky with yeast.

In the mouth it's light bodied (leaning towards light-medium), and delicately crisp with a very-fine bubbled, natural carbonation that gently caresses the tongue.

The flavor is all at once caramelish, tart, woody, piney, citrusy, hoppy, gently sugary, chalky, and softly fruity (berries, apple, pear, cherry, mild prune). It's a big rush of complexity at first, but then it fades fairly readily in the swallow. The flavor is strongly concentrated at first, but the beer itself isn't that big and malty, allowing the flavors to fade from the palate more readily. Some fairly strong hop flavors and bitterness are left behind to linger, however, and it's leafy, grassy, and a bit woody as well - followed by some sweetish rock candy and tart apple cider. It finishes dry with a bit of oak.

Quite impressive! The alcohol never makes itself known, and the uniqueness and complexity of it keeps it interesting. Worth seeking out.

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Photo of zonker17
4.25/5  rDev +11.3%

Photo of Antyk
3.99/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of akorsak
3.68/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at Max's.

A: Strong dark ale? Really? This is a clear amber/golden color that is yards (miles even) away from dark. The pour yielded minimal head but decent lacing.

S: The nose has a wild fruit aroma, wild as in varied with berries, cherries and citrus. A touch of sour wildness follows the fruits.

T: The sourness is not all-encompassing. Rather, it picks and chooses when to rear its head. It follows citrus flavors, lemon and orange, and ample carbonation. Belgian yeast, apart from the light sourness, adds fruit flavors, including subtle cherry.

M: The mouthfeel is buffeted by zesty carbonation and the mild sour aspects.

D: An interesting strong pale ale (screw BSDA!). The occasional sourness is a nice touch.

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Photo of desint
3.78/5  rDev -1%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Photo of BlackHaddock
3.4/5  rDev -11%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.25 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5

33cl Bottle at 'De Bierboom', Brugge on 17 Dec 2012.

Hazy golden body with a good, full head of off-white of deep foam.

Yeasty nose with a caramel hint, there was also a tart, almost sour aroma from the brew.

The taste was a mixed bag as well: sweet and sour feel throughout, with a semi-sweet maltiness just about hiding the other flavours.

Solid if not special.

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Photo of CWhite
4.25/5  rDev +11.3%

Photo of gcare02
4.5/5  rDev +17.8%

Photo of Crittervision
4.22/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

had on tap at raleigh times.
this "bsda" was presented as a "sour amber."

that said, it is far from dark. and strong [which must be to its advantage at 9%]. it is a hazy amber, with a thick, poofy head that dissipates quickly to less than a layer of thin bubbles.

the smell is understated in every way. there is some cranberry. some generic, pleasing sourness, and some sweet, straight juice from an orange. yet everything is subtle. nothing really in the forefront here. if anything, i would say the generic sour stands out the most.

taste provides a bit more. there is a light tartness. i expected mouth-puckering from the inclusion of "sour" in the description but [see mouthfeel]. sweet orange juiciness [do not mistake this for orange juice, but rather fresh juice from an orange], along with a grapefruit-juiciness on subsequent sips.

mouthfeel is remarkably smooth. the grapefruit/orange aspect is not necessarily sweet, but is much less sour than i would ever associate those tastes and smells to be. it provides a bit of acidity, but the body is medium, highly carbonated, and...

highly drinkable. at no point did i think "alcohol." i expected a sour, and it is quite disappointing for the punch i was expecting. but for the drinkability i received, i have zero complaints.

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Photo of hopdog
3.09/5  rDev -19.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

11.2oz bottle.

This one poured all off whtie head (and I mean all head). Settled into a medium and hazy amber color. Aromas of floral hops, a little fruity, and yeasty. Tastes of fruitinss, grapes, lighter yeast, and cherries. Lighter tart finish with the alcohol content well hidden.

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Photo of crossovert
3.38/5  rDev -11.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

11.2 oz bottle.

It pours a golden/amber, not too dark. The head is huge, white, and active and lasts for awhile before leaving thick lacing.

The smell is decent, though a bit thin. There is some yeasty goodness and fruitiness in there. There is an underlying stale breadcrust scent.

Wow, this one tastes interesting. I don't know if there is an infection here or if it should be a sour ale. If it is a sour ale, it is a tad bit blunt. It has a big acidic bite. It isn't necessarily as sour as it is acidic. It has a strong lactose flavor. There is also some lemon. I don't think this is supposed to taste like this, the website says something totally different for the description.

Alas, reading some other reviews it is also sour on top, so I don't know what to say. Interesting but not perfect.

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Photo of John_M
3.95/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

On tap at Max's today.

The beer pours a golden amber color with good head retention and lots of sticky lacing all around. The nose is lovely, with a nice intermix of honey, tangerine, lime and light ginger. The beer smells sweet and spicey, but does not come across as an over the top sweet beer. Flavors replicate the nose for the most part, but with some light bitterness in the finish that buoys the sweetness pretty well. Mouthfeel is a bit lighter then I was expecting in this beer, and the finish is a bit weak as well. Drinkability is very good, and there's no way I'd guess I was drinking a 9% abv. beer.

Nothing exceptional here, but certainly a nice enough beer that is easy to enjoy.

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Photo of jgasparine
3.88/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A- Poured from the tap into a wine glass with a thick & rocky 1.5" white head, which slowly receded to reveal some fantastic lacing. The body was a clear yellow color, with some beautiful bubble trains working their way up the sides of the glass.

S- Bright lemongrass and barnyard notes dominate the nose, with lesser aromas of cider, and some faint pale malts and stale hops.

T- A nice replicate of the nose. Taste is reminiscent of lemongrass, weak cider, pale malts and stale hops. The brettanomyces appears midway on the palate, and becomes stronger in the finish. The brett lingers on the tongue in the finish.

M- A light to medium body. Well attenuated and slightly astringent. The carbonation is abundant and somwhat coarse.

D- Despite the slight bloating effect of the carbonation, this beer is still nicely drinkable. The alcohol is exceptionally well-hidden. Would definitely seek this out again.

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Photo of Khazadum
4.17/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

So... Uhhh.... I pop the cap to a loud crisp pop, almost like a cork being rocketed off. I let loose a whoop of joy and watch as a nice fog begins to roll off the top of the bottle. As I admire this phenomenon.... I forget that this is the precursor to a gusher. POOF! An ounce or so begins to gush out of the bottle to which I quickly rush to tip it into the snifter. Quite a vicious froth develops out of the simple pour down the side.

A- A creamy, giant three fingers of oatmeal tan head developed. Frothy... cloudy... delightful! The bubbles around the edging are bigger than I expected, but the retention on this is surprising. Appropriate, bordering on obnoxious. The lacing doesn't stick well enough to give a full appearance. There is a bit of black sedimentation in the murky amber and caramel colored body.

S- Not bad, not bad. The lighter side of oranges. Less acidity, more fruity sweetness. This is paired with a saison-like spiciness, pepper, mild volatile nature similar to pure ethanol. Bubblegum, clove, and tangerines finish off the aroma. Very easy to detect flavors, hard to peel them apart.

T- Initially opens up with oranges, sweet flavors similar to what gum gives off. Transitions to peppery bite, a bit of straw and light hops... grassy hops, and some stringy bubblegum. Finishes off dry, papery, and lingers well.

M- Light to medium body, light, tight, crisp carbonation off the bat gives this a delightful tickle. Sticky flavors, bright alcohol helps the carbonation give a full rounded experience.

Its a confusing beer. It has so many characteristics that scream out saison to me... but the sweetness, combined with the carbonation and bite, along with this dark coloration give me the feeling I'm drinking a belgian strong dark. Saison, tripel, and belgian pale ale all wrapped into one... this dark coloration... belgian strong dark ale. The catch all when you don't know what the hell is going on ;)

And the reveal is... Piet-Agoras

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Photo of avalon07
3.52/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

L: poured from a bottle to a tulip glass. Had a dark amber color and a thick, cloudy texture. There was a small amount of foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A fair, but somewhat one-dimensional aroma of apples, Belgian yeast, and a little bit of spices.

T: Like the aroma, the taste was dominated by apples (almost a little like cider), but also had a hint of malt, a fair shot of Belgian yeast, pepper, and a sweet element, like caramel. Not a bad flavor, but definitely a bit on the thin side. It's not quite as robust as some BSDA flavors.

F: A below average amount of carbonation with slightly thin finish. Medium-bodied.

O: This isn't the worst beer on this style, I've had, but it's pretty unremarkable. Could have been more interesting.

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Photo of sitarist
3.42/5  rDev -10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Received in the Tickers BIF, thanks to BVbeer1.

Pours a cloudy honey like color. Solid, thick off white head. The head takes its time before it falls to a quarter inch cap that leaves patches of lacing.

It smells sour with scents of green & red apples, lemon, lime, g-spot spray, and candied ginger. Mellow, and inviting its scent begs me to drink it.

Tart, but uneventful the flavor fails to live up to the nose. I taste citric acid, and green apples.

Light to medium body with a heavy dose of carbonation. It washes across my tongue before I feel a acidic drying. My tongue feels like I touched it to a 9 volt battery.

A great smelling beer, but any good flavor that it might have is squelched by the acidic mouthfeel. Im not sure that this beer is categorized correctly! Its a few tweaks away from being a really great beer.

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Photo of RblWthACoz
3.98/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Pours a foggy orange tinted brown. Thick creme head. Nose is sour funky. Reminds me of a Flanders of sort. Flavor has the same effect. Consistently funky. Low key sweet tone. Mostly barnyard funk though. Good level of spices. Overall it's a pretty earthy ale. Feel has a thicker liquid feel and the carbonation is a bit of a biter. This is an unusual ale. Funky and earthy. I like it, but I can see some people not.

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Photo of HopBelT
3.74/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Photo of Jspriest
4/5  rDev +4.7%

Photo of drpimento
2.43/5  rDev -36.4%
look: 3 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 2.5

Damn, another one that's turning. Poured with a large cream colored foamy frothy thick head and lots of lace. Color is cloudy medium amber with sediment. Aroma is yeast malt powder earth woodsy spice. Flavor's not as good as nose. Can tell it used to be decent but now getting fairly sour which dominates every thing else. Body's not bad so is carbonation. If this was supposed to be a different beer, it could almost be good. But... Finish is dominated by sour too.

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Photo of Knapp85
3.63/5  rDev -5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured out as a nice looking deep brown color with some red highlights in there. The head on the beer is foamy and pretty thick looking. The lacing it leaves is pretty sticky and had a good retention as well. The smell of the beer gives of the standard Belgian yeast aromas with some dark malts and some spices. The taste gives off a little bit of a tartness to it at first, but then fades into a slightly sweet brew. The mouthfeel of this beer is medium bodied, nothing too over the top but drinkable. Overall it was pretty good, can't say I'd have to buy it again but not bad.

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Photo of busterthecat
4.15/5  rDev +8.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Saw this interesting little bottle and had to try. Lot: 394 on cap
Poured from 11.2 oz into wine glass.

A- Intense foam out of the bottle with removal of cap. A hazy red grapefruit hue. It really does look like the pic on the bottle. A big rocky head that leaves lots of lacing.

S- Aroma of mild tart/ sweet cherries. Dusty, hay. light vinegar. Smell is mild overall.

T-Very interesting. Seems b/w styles. Mild tart with grapefruit zest. A dry hay in back of palate. Light biscuit in body. Some cobweb & light oak.

M- Mild and soothing. Hits corners of mouth and tip of tongue . A wet feel that quickly dries. Makes you want another sip.

D- NO alc presence at all. Enjoyable. A very interesting brew that does not conform. Gonna grab 1 or 2 to age to see what happens.

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