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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Cigar City Brewing
Florida, United States
cigarcitybrewing.com

Style: American Black Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 11.20%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by CampusCrew on 11-12-2010

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

BEER STATS
Ranking:
-
Reviews:
103
Ratings:
176
pDev:
11.27%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
Wants:
21
Gots:
29
Trade:
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Photo of kylehay2004
4.22/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I had this one right after the "Either". This one is also a single finger tan head on a jet black body, not much different. Aroma is much less sweet and full but not as strong with vanilla, oak, bourbon, roasted malt and chocolate all again present. The malt is more obvious as is the coffee acounting for the more semi dry mouthfeel. Bourbon, vanilla, chocolate again are well represented. The body is less full bodied, smooth and moderate carbonation. As with the Either, the hops are also fairly mild and almost noncontributory to the flavor.

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Photo of acurtis
3.52/5  rDev -13.7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Photo of jaydoc
4.1/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of GRG1313
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

Photo of spycow
3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

Photo of Knapp85
4.23/5  rDev +3.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

OR poured out as a beautiful dark black color. It had a big brown thick head on top and looked very appealing. The lacing was very good on this one too. The smell of the beer was roasted and very hoppy much like the EITHER. The taste wasn't a whole lot different for each other also. Roasted and big citrusy hops on the tongue. The mouthfeel is heavy and tingles the taste buds. Overall I think I liked the OR just a little more than the EITHER. But both were fun to try and the only real downfall of them both was the price tag.

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Photo of t0rin0
3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

Photo of oriolesfan4
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

Photo of BEERchitect
4.03/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Dry, malty, toasty, and hoppy are the words that quickly sum up this beer. With an imperial IPA base, the toasted malts add bitterness, robust character, and a porter-ish density that creates as much inquisition as it does complexity.

With the pour of a very dark burnt brown color and a light tan head of creamy foam, the beer creates a bold and masculine appearance with no appologies. Ordinate pockets of lace reinforce the blunt foam character that's both sturdy and withstanding.

Heavy toast, black strap molassas, buckwheat, and the aroma of roasted berries and currants all decorate the nose. The accent of white grapefruit, pine resin, and wood chips further reinforce the raw earthy, sharp pungency of kindle and malt.

Flavors of molassas, burnt sugars, toast char, dry cocoa, and pine resin all play into the earthy and burnt flavors with hoppy balance. Straying away from ashy favors, the char of woods, berries, and stone fruits are a deep and underlying compliment to the brighter hop flavor of grass, pine, and grapefruit that morph into a resiny bitterness of clean grapefruit and toast in finish. Delicous early, the beer takes a quick turn to a toasty-dry taste late.

Robust and malty early, the dense carbonation reinforce a milkshake-like consistency until the hop flavor and bitterness take the beer into a toasty/malty-dry bit of hop bitterness, alcohol dryness, and slightly acrid de-bittered malts that complement hop bitterness and dryness with slight grassy astringency.

I love the transition the beer makes from its creamy and malty-dry upstart, but then uses the bitterness of toast and coffee character of grain to accent hop bitterness and dryness, and without picking up the astringency or tannins that often accompany these flavors. Very. Well. Done!

Thanks again BlueOkie!

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Photo of brentk56
4.38/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: While the color of the beer is as dark as "Either," the head is a darker shade of tan, more densly packed and leaves a lot more lacing

Smell: Unlike the rich malt elements of "Either," the hops are much more apparent, bringing a piney character

Taste: The piney character from the hops is much more dominant in the flavor profile, as well, with the chocolate elements of the malt providing more of a backdrop; by mid-palate, the cedar adds its dimension and, while the honey appears in the back, in never makes quite the impression that it did in "Either"

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with moderate to high carbonation

Drinkability: I first tasted this at the brewery and leaned toward "Or" and now having it in the bottle, my initial impression was tilted in the same direction; by the end, however, I began to appreciate "Either" even more and have shifted my preference; you really cannot go wrong with either, or or

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Photo of oline73
3.75/5  rDev -8.1%

Photo of zestar
4/5  rDev -2%

Photo of DrBier
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of olradetbalder
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%

Photo of Thorpe429
3.31/5  rDev -18.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Served in a Hill Farmstead wine glass.

Pours near black with a finger-and-a-half of light mocha head and some pretty good lacing as it goes down. Nice retention with some sticking power that's greater than what I found in the Either without a hard swirl. The nose is a bit hoppier than Either, with some citrus notes coming through as well as earth. The earthiness of this is quite prominent alongside a bit of roast.

The flavor starts out with some citrus hops and a bit of tangerine peel. After that comes a touch of light sweetness as well as some roast. A pretty good amount of booze is here as well, though not nearly as much as in Either. Medium body and not quite as creamy as Either, though the lack of alcohol dominance is nice. There are some hops in the finish, which is fairly dry. This is pretty decent and more drinkable right now than the Either, but neither one really stands up to what I would expect from these breweries.

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Photo of nickfl
4.27/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A - Pours with half a finger of medium brown foam on top of an opaque, black body. The head settles rapidly and leaves light lace on the glass.

S - A spicy, smoky aroma of dark sugar with elements of chocolate, licorice, cinnamon, and a bit of pine.

T - Dark caramel and cola up front with a bit of vanilla. Brown, spicy notes in the middle with licorice, molasses, and cinnamon. Finishes with nutmeg, chicory, and coco as well as pine and moderate bitterness.

M - Medium body, moderate carbonation, and a fairly dry finish.

D - An interesting contrast to its twin brew, this one has a less sweet malt character. This helps to accentuate the spicy character and perhaps makes for a more drinkable brew. These beers have a stronger malt profile than most black IPAs and as a result seem to have held up well after over a year and a half in the bottle.

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Photo of Ciocanelu
4.5/5  rDev +10.3%

Photo of ygtbsm94
3/5  rDev -26.5%

Photo of wethorseblanket
4.2/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle shared by Austin - Thanks!

Pours black with barely any head except for a few bubbles. Nose is dominated by a hop character and wood. Taste is oaky and slightly tannic. Some faint cedar is noted. Mouthfeel is mellow and smooth. At bit heavy, but not so much as the "Either" version. Overall, easier to drink than the "Either" with a lightness and oak rather than big cedar. Liked it very much.

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Photo of mendvicdog
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

Photo of mdaschaf
3.97/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Review from notes. Drank alongside Either.

A: Poured a deep brown, almost black color. Had a small slightly off-white head on top with little retention and very little bits of lacing.

S: Nice malty aromas up front with some chocolate and roast, but the back end is dominated by some grassy/floral hops.

T: Much roastier and heavier on the chocolate compared to Either. There is a slight coffee flavor in the middle, but there is a nice transition featuring a hop kick with some floral and bitter hops.

M: Medium bodied with moderate carbonation. Pretty smooth, and no sign of the high ABV.

O: A better ABA than Either was, in my opinion at least. Had more of a hop presence.

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Photo of duceswild
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%

Photo of mikesgroove
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

and away we go with hobo tasting number four. me and calton in the parking lot of chucky cheese, drinking top 100 beers in crystall glass ware from the back of his trunk. we both have too many issues to get into right now.

pours, well you guess it a dark black with a nice tight and compact head of tan that seems to come up around an inch or so before settling back down to earth and coming through with a nice medium layer of lacing around the sides, fairly impressed. aroma is hops, dark roasted malts, a touch of burnt brown sugar, hints of licorice and a touch of dark fruits as it warms, very complex. flavor follows suit nicely, albeit not as strong, but still very nicely done. rich dark malts and piney hops blend together with a deep roasted flavor that carries over into a moderatly dry finish that sums it up quite well..

overall a really great beer an one i would have no issue with going for again. still floored how well that abv was hidden, damn!

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Photo of Alieniloquium
3.55/5  rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12 oz. bottle poured into a Kuhnhenn snifter. No bottle date.

Appearance - Jet black. Inky. Small flutter of a khaki head then it fades to a collar.

Smell - Tons of cedar coming through on this one. Molasses, dark chocolate, and cedar. Whoah. This is a lot stronger than I remember the cedar in Either.

Taste - Molasses taste is prominent here at first, but the cedar takes over and gives it a sweetness and bitterness at the same time. The cedar seems much stronger here than it did in Either. Maybe the hops masked the cedar in Either. The dark malt base seems to be holding up nicely. Just a touch of hop bitterness in the finish.

Mouthfeel - Not as boozy as Either. Stronger cedar, which I can handle. Less bitter. Much more like Humidor Zhukov without being cloyingly sweet. Interesting and rather nice.

Overall - I feel that age has treated this one better, if only because it was less hoppy to begin with. The booze is much mellower. The cedar is still pretty strong. The cedar adds a dimension that I'm not sure I love, but it keeps me interested.

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Photo of womencantsail
3.88/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks for sharing this one, Bobby.

A: The beer pours a very dark brown color with a thin layer of off-white/tan foam.

S: Fairly heavy on the roast and chocolate notes with a moderate licorice quality. Some mild booze is also in there. A solid hop presence with a nice citrus (grapefruit) and pine note.

T: Grapefruit and other citrus hops are prominent up front. A mild pineapple flavor as well as some grass and a hint of pine round out the hop profile. Fairly roasty with a nice hint of licorice.

M: Medium to full in body with a medium level of carbonation.

O: I was expecting this to be pretty harsh at 11%, but really nice and easy to drink.

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