Cuvee De Tomme | The Lost Abbey

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Cuvee De TommeCuvee De Tomme

Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey
California, United States

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 11.00%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Once upon a time it was the most award winning Pizza Port beer of all time. Now it has found a new home at The Lost Abbey.

A massive brown ale base that is made from four fermentable sugars including Malted Barley, Raisins, Candi Sugar and Sour Cherries, this beer is fully fermented before being placed in Bourbon barrels where the beer ages for one year with the Sour Cherries and the wild Brettanomyces yeast that we inoculate the barrels with.

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Photo of AgentMunky
4.23/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Poured from a 350mL bottle into a Koningshoven chalice.

A: No head at all. The color is dark plum and is not transparent. Interesting. Remarkably purplish.

S: Gently tart. Rich and fruity. Heady and pleasant.

T/M: Oh wow. Mindbendingly puckery. Ridiculously tart and acidic, especially for a beer otherwise so mellow and sweet. This is an amazing beer, that is likely to be a little too sour for many. Very fruit forward, very tasty.

O: The sourness can almost hide the alcohol content, but the telltale sticky sweetness on the endtaste conveys all the booziness of a good brandy. Would love to drink again.

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Photo of BierJager89
4.35/5  rDev +4.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

A: Pours a somewhat translucent brown into black in the glass. Utterly opaque. The head? What head? Just a a few brown bubbles.

S: On the surface, the nose contains notes of lemon, funky belgian yeast and citrus rind, but underneath… vanilla, brown sugar, oak, caramel. Very interesting.

T: Lemon, tangerine, grapefruit peel,, and funky belgian yeast come through first. Strong hints of sour cherry, peppery zinfandel and raisin, as well as oak, a touch of vanilla, oak and brown sugar. Maybe a hint of caramel, but this thing finishes crisp, tart, like lemon and grapefruit rind. On latter sips, more bourbon comes through, especially toward the end, lingering with the lemony tartness.

M: Full bodied, and extremely smooth. Flat, even. A bit too smooth.

O: Alcohol is somewhat apparent in the nose and flavor as well, but this is to be expected with a beer this strong, and it's quite well masked. I would recommend this beer. It is my favorite sour. I'd say have a few other sours first, get accustomed to it, and then try this beer. It's really good.

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Photo of Sarge3130
2.06/5  rDev -50.6%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2.5

Bad bottle?

Poured upside down from 2012 375ml bottle, zero carbonation.

Murky brown with smells of leather, tannin, vinegar.
First sip was similar to shoe polish, second was not much better, and there was no third. Bottle dumped down the drain.

I'm aware of the carb issues but this beer was undrinkable. I applaud the effort as I'm sure this beer took some time and effort to make but it was just awful. I usually gravitate toward Lost Abbey beers, and will continue too, but this one completely missed the mark for me.

I don't mean for this review to come off like total bash but if I give a beer less than an overall 2.5 rating, I feel the need to at least explain why.

I'd be willing to give this beer a second try if it was given to me, but I can't see myself paying for this again.

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Photo of cbutova
4.21/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

On-tap at Armsby Abbey just over two weeks ago in Worcester, MA. Always wanted to try this one and glad to see it on draft. Full notes taken day of review.

A- Poured from the tap to a goblet glass with a brown body that has some red hues around the edges. Light tan head forms to about one finger with decent retention. Frothy cap falls to a small ring leaving webs and some sheets of lacing.

S- Tart fruits and some acetic vinegar feel right off the bat with a decent brown malt backdrop like an Oud Bruin to me. Cherry with pits and all come to mind as well as toast oak, red wine and dark fruits.

T- Red tart fruits, vinegar and vinous characters carry over from the aroma to here. The barrel comes out some more with oak and a slight whiskey bite. Strong cherries but the other flavors balance it well. Lemons, barnyard funk, Belgian spiciness, toasted brown sugar, raisin/fig, Brett and some lactic acid round it out.

MF- Dried out lighter end body due to the Brett and other bugs. Texture is crisp with a slight foamy and silky feel. Higher end carbonation with a fairly warm finish from the 11%ABV. Nice sourness as well.

A mix of many different worlds but they come together to remind me of something between an Oud Bruin and a Kriek, aged in a Bourbon barrel. Pretty unique and a must try for sour and barreled beer fans.

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Photo of sourdog
3.93/5  rDev -5.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

A: Looks like a flat cola. No carbonation.

S: Sour cherries & apples. Some oak and vanilla notes.

T: Bursting with sour cherry flavor. Nice sour/tart flavor. Leaning on the too sweet side. I wish there was carbonation to balance this out.

F: Light bodied. No carbonation which is a disappointment to me. It tastes flat.

O: Very nice flavor and I'm enjoying the tart cherry notes. Although this just doesn't do it for me without carbonation. It tastes flat. I appreciate it as a quality craft beer, but it's not my thing.

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Photo of vfgccp
4.54/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2012 bottle, opened April 2014

A - Beautiful, slick and shiny Burgundy body. No head.

S - Really nice, unique nose. Chocolate covered cherries, tart vinegar, almonds, dust, and a touch of oaky booze.

T - Complex and bold. Big tart oak opening, dry cherry pits, tannins, red grape skins, dry bitter cocoa powder, crisp tart plums.

M - Dry, medium-light frame with nice legs. Drinks more like a Chianti than a beer.

O - Great integration on a really complex base. Really nice sour character; well balanced, and not overly acidic.

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Photo of seand
3.7/5  rDev -11.3%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

A: Pours a slightly clear dark red with just a few bubbles of tan head.

S: Strong cherry, honey, and booze.

T: Highly tart cherry leading into strong brett dominated funk, finishing with the tart fruit along with a touch of alcohol. Somewhat vinous.

M: Medium to full body, nearly no carbonation.

Overall, interesting; the tart cherry is intense, and the overall flavor profile hits hard. It's drinkable if you like that kind of thing, though.

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Photo of KVNBGRY
4.07/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 2.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2013 bottle

Ap - Murky, ugly, flat, with all that is going on, it's expected. However, it's still ugly.

Ar - Cherry, orange, honey, sour(!!!) cherries, in that order.

T - Bourbon, red wine, and honey. A hint of sour cherries at the end.

M - Medium bodied, and dry. Very similar to a Cabernet.

O - Different, confusing, awesome. It's very complex and you get all the advertised flavors and nuances. I want to try this with a few years on it.

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Photo of MattSweatshirt
3.82/5  rDev -8.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

Comes out looking almost flat with a few off white bubbles springing to life. The body is dark red-brown with ruby highlights popping in the light.

Big cherry presence on the nose that is sweet and sour. Raisin and red grape. Some vanilla and wood from the barrels. Mostly a fruity aroma. Touch of heat.

Lots of cherry and sweet flavors like the nose indicated. It's really not all that tart. Some heat on the swallow. Vinous with some dark fruits.

No carbonation is felt on the tongue. Comes off a little thin and lifeless because of the lack of carbonation. Feels like drinking a wine.

Great flavor on this but still falls a little short with the carbonation issues.

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Photo of tkdchampxi
4.69/5  rDev +12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

A: a mediocre 60% opaque beer that did not look particularly interesting poured into my 6 ounce snifter at the bar (6 ounce was the going serving size). A full, cloudy, muddy apple cider brown.

S: citrusy, sour smell with a yeast backbone that hinted at sour cherries and biscuity malt. Light, fruity, and refreshing

T: This is a delicious sour, with a sophisticated backbone and well-balanced malt presence. This is not the most tongue-numbingly sour beer I've ever had, but it is amongst the most complexly well-developed. It is a wonderfully tart, and somewhat sweet sour beer in the vein of well-baked lemon square - a little sour, a little sweet, and just enough bread to make it right.

M: well-carbonated with an acidic bite that complements the flavor. Something this tart deserves to be this bubbly.

O: a great sour from a great brewery. Need I say more? This is a perfect lemon square, limoncello dessert in a glass, even if the dull brown would suggest otherwise.

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Photo of nataku00
4.01/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Bottle opened with a light pop, poured into a tulip glass. 2014 release. Beer pours a dark and hazy cola brown without any head. Minor lacing that slips quickly back into the beer.

Nose is sweet and sour cherries, raspberry, balsamic vinegar, acetic acid, light brown sugar and old oak.

Taste is tart red berry and cherry, acetic acid, sweeter balsamic vinegar and oak. Fairly drying on the tongue, lingering acetic acid and cherry flavors.

Medium body with little to no carbonation, a little syrupy on the tongue before a drying finish. The lack of carbonation is a bit disappointing.

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Photo of Beerswag
4.39/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

On tap at old towne pizza elk grove, ca

Poures into delerium tulip. Looks dark and slightly murky with tones of brown black and carmel. Not to sticky on the glass, light, and definately sour..taste is cherry and chocolate rounded out by a good malt presence, very light mouthfeel for a quad based beer..this beer puckers the toungue with fruity flavors such as cherry and citrus, with the hops displyed on the finish...airee and dry. Carbonation is medium, which I like to go with this dry beer..This is a great 11% barrel aged beer. Some sours just dont pack the abv, and I can't drink more than 22oz of "sour-beer", so this one boads well for me. This with pizza, sherp aged hard yellow cheese, salty food.

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Photo of Rick778
4.09/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

If I didn't know I was drinking a beer I would have thought it was a very dark strong wine. Lots of cherries, sour and a very slight bourbon after taste. The one thing it needs more of is carbination. There doesn't seem to be any, thats a big reason I would almost mistake it as a wine. But all and all it is an excellent Cuvee.

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Photo of buzzardman
3.75/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.5

Aroma: Fruity mostly cherries, very light funk, hint of wood, maybe a slight bit of horsey brett, very slight hint of malt.

Appearance: Dark brown light hint of red, no head and no carbonation.

Flavor: Wow sour and tart cherries right the front, did not expect it from the smell. Sweet wine like, a lot like a Flanders red. The tart sourness drops off quickly after the first couple of sips. The nice tart sourness disappears quickly, I think some carbonation would definitely help keep that flavor going while drinking. No noticeable flavors from the bourbon barrel aging, but the wine barrel aging may be hidden in the wine flavors.

Mouthfeel: Big sour tartness first couple of sips, then quickly fades to more of a crisp plain sour tart. No noticeable alcohol.

Overall: Very wine like. Maybe aging the bottle would help build some carbonation, but after reading reviews of aged bottles it appears this will not help carbonation build. I really think some carbonation would help this beer a lot. Again no noticeable bourbon barrel flavor is kind of a let down, not a bad beer but not something I would want to try again especially for the price. Can definitely find something comparable to this from a real Belgian brewery for 1/3rd the cost of this beer. Bottle says brewed with old world and new world processes which to me means they probably took shortcuts to make it using new technology which could be why this beer just is not that good. $18 for 12floz

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Photo of hopsputin
4.16/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2012 bottle, drank February 2014

a: dark murky red and purple that turns it almost brown. bubbles streaming up the side, but no head to speak of, even when poured aggressively

s: very vinous. tons of oak, prunes, cherry, vanilla, tannins, concord grapes, a little nutty. i cannot stress enough how vinous this is in the nose

t: the sourness is what hits you right away; you did not pick up any of that in the nose. the taste almost does a 180 from the nose. by that i mean i didn't pick up how sour it would be from the aroma. very oaky, fresh squeezed lemons, prunes, and some vanilla. the sourness lingers on the lips. oh yea, NO alcohol in the flavor and this one was at 11% when bottled. be careful

m: light, and it feels heavily carbonated (because of the sourness) but it is not

o: this is a really interesting brew. the sourness is the most detectable presence in the flavor, but its goes down smooth. the combination of sourness and oaky tannins is a really interesting combination that you really just need to try to understand. well crafted

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Photo of GeezLynn
3.81/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.75

2009 bottle opened over the holidays. Cork slides out without the slightest bit of pressure. It’s somewhat comical that they even put a cage around it.

A: Dingy brown, without a trace of head.
S: Potent acetic acidity, caramel and chocolate, and some bourbon. Smells nice, like a big oud bruin.
T: Very tart cherry flavor, chocolate, dried fruit, apple, and a hint of vanilla. Tartness is assertive, but not excessive. Nice melding of flavors.
M: This would be the flattest freshly opened beer I’ve ever had. Body is medium with a smooth texture.
No need to belabor the point, but I prefer the low end of the carbonation scale, as long as there is SOME carbonation. Otherwise, a delicious beer.

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Photo of StonedTrippin
4.34/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

so stoked to finally try this, a beautiful specimen from the lost abbey. a rich mahogany color to it, lots of bubbles for what it is, and a nose to die for. really tart cherries and citric acid present themselves right up front. stick rich grainy beer follows, belgian loosely, but more raisin and molasses heavy than grain specifically. light spice, tons of cherries on the flavor. some residual sugar too, but they are balanced well with one another. it coats my palate well despite vbeing rather well carbonated for the style. cherries ll the way through start on the sour end and finish a little sweeter and fresher. dynamic and complex as anything, the sourness on the quad base make it like no other beer ive had. great use of fruit here, and very well hidden alcohol strength. one of the best beers from the lost abbey, and thats saying something.

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Photo of Axnjxn
4.52/5  rDev +8.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

375ml corked bottle into a tulip. vintage 2012

very mildly carbonated, but not completely flat like other small lost abbey beers. dark red in appearance...smell is very strong and tart. taste has a ton going on....its such a mix of flavor. cherry possibly...but not too strong. very hard to describe. youre going to want to get in on this. had a 2009 and the 2012 definitely is better...flavors havent faded. tastes nothing like 11%. lovely

a favorite of mine. great!

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Photo of dwagner003
3.91/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

This beer is just weird.. It's very reminiscent of Consecration, but.. worse..

Visually, it's an opaque, dark, dark brown with translucent brown edges. There was no head at all, and the beer appeared to be totally flat.

It smells very tart with a very nice oaky background. I don't pick up on any cherries, though. My jaw hurts just smelling the sourness.

Taste is tart up front, with a dry finish. It's earthy, oaky with a hint of tobacco.

Mouthfeel is where this falls off for me. It is completely flat. If this had the carbonation level of Consecration, it would be much better. It's just hard to fully enjoy something that has the consistency of sour wine.

I liked this beer. It was interesting and weird, but I just wish it had some carbonation. It's a nice representation of the dark sour style, though.

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Photo of BMMillsy
3.75/5  rDev -10.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3.75

Lost Abbey bottle, no date, looks new. Pours a dark murky brownish red with no head whatsoever. Aroma if black cherry, some tart cherry, plums, oak, hint of vinegar, slight booze, even a bit of sweet chocolate. Flavor is big black cherry up front, some booze, tart cherry skins, dry oak, lingering dry tart cherry. Brown sugar comes out as it warms. No carbonation in this, medium heavy mouthfeel. Some heat lingering in the back of the throat. Very interesting beer. I like it but the flatness and the ugly look are hurting the score a bit.

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Photo of maDUECEgunner
3.84/5  rDev -7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Appearance: Even with a rough pour there was absolutely no head. The body was dark murky red-brown.

Smell: Dark cherries, a little bit of raisins.

Taste: strong cherries. There is a picking sourness, but not too overpowering.

Mouthfeel: the lack carbonation makes it a little disappointing.

Overall: If this was carbonated, this would easily be almost a point higher.

Serving type: bottle 2012 Vintage.

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Photo of Brewing_Rob
3.83/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter.

Appearance: One of the ugliest beers I have ever experienced. This beer pours flat and murky. Best enjoyed in the dark!

Smell: Fantastic aroma of cherries and oak. Very nice balance of lactic acid and brett in the nose.

Taste: Wow! This beer delivers all those cherries and barrel flavored right to your head. A nice sour finish that isn't overwhelming.

Mouthfeel: just as a high gravity sour should be, dry. The beer has a nice body for being so dry, it's by no means thin and insipid or cloying.

Overall: I like it! The flat murky first impression is a bit disappointing but it totally delivers everywhere else. I think this is best to be enjoyed on a dark cool night by an open fire.

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Photo of Zraly
2.19/5  rDev -47.5%
look: 2.75 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.75

2011 vintage -- was a gift from a friend

Pulled at the cork some -- and that was not an easy task. When I actually got the cork loose, there was not a sound. Poured into a Westvleteren XII chalice. The correlation between a lack of a pop when opening the bottle and the complete lack of carbonation is high here.

Murky purple-brown in color; tawny but not quite. No head to speak of, and barely a bubble present in the glass.

Flat. Flat. Flat! I've saved this for two years to have a flat beer. Very disappointing.

Slight smell of oak. Taste of vinegar and sour fruit. Finish is very acidic. This would make good salad dressing. Seriously, I think I might make salad dressing out of this. When the world gives you lemons...

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Photo of MagicJeff
4.11/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

After I wrestled the cork out of the bottle and took 5 minutes to cool down and catch my breath, I poured it into my Bruery snifter.

Appearance: Reminds me of a thick port. Deep ruby brown. No head at all.

Smell: Boozy and vinous. Currants, raisins, dates.

Taste: Raisins, lemon zest, even dark chocolate? Burn from alcohol on back end. This thing is crazy.

Mouthfeel: Medium to almost full bodied, which is interesting for an "american wild ale." Gets much better as it warms up. Very little carbonation.

Overall: I think if this thing actually had carbonation, it would be on par with RR sours. But it doesn't--which isn't necessarily bad. This would be a great post-hoilday meal beer. Very complex and worth a try...On the expensive side but I'd still recommend.

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Photo of brydeen
4.15/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4.25

Reviewed as part of Blind BIF round 8

A: Pours a muddled, murky brown, with zero head at all. Not the most inviting appearance.

S: Sour dark fruits, oak, bourbon perhaps? A touch of vinegar, but not overly harsh. A hint of cherry. It has a very inviting sweet and sour vibe. As unappealing as it looks, it smells fantastic.

T: Sour splash of vinegar, but it's completely offset by a vanilla oaky backbone. This certainly tastes like a barrel aged wild or Flanders style brew. Sour cherries tickle the back of the tongue on the aftertaste. Quite tasty, with interesting flavors melding.

M: Medium bodied, with a firm alcohol presence, without feely boozy. Almost no carbonation present at all.

O: really interesting brew. Looks are as unappetizing as they get, but the flavors are wonderfully integrated and contrasting. Bottle shape/size had me thinking Russian River right away, but the lack of carb makes me think Lost Abbey. The beer resembles Red Poppy in look, which I just tried for the first time last week, only perhaps with more age?

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Cuvee De Tomme from The Lost Abbey
4.17 out of 5 based on 1,193 ratings.
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