Cuvee De Tomme | The Lost Abbey

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Cuvee De TommeCuvee De Tomme

Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey
California, United States

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 11.00%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Once upon a time it was the most award winning Pizza Port beer of all time. Now it has found a new home at The Lost Abbey.

A massive brown ale base that is made from four fermentable sugars including Malted Barley, Raisins, Candi Sugar and Sour Cherries, this beer is fully fermented before being placed in Bourbon barrels where the beer ages for one year with the Sour Cherries and the wild Brettanomyces yeast that we inoculate the barrels with.

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Photo of rand
3.17/5  rDev -24%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.25

From 375 mL bottle to flute glass

A: Dark ruby-red in color, the brew has no apparent carbonation and forms no head. Completely opaque.

S: The nose is sour cherries, raisin, vanilla and oaky cocoa. There's a strong malt-backbone that yields a distinct toffee sweetness, carried by ample alcohol volatiles.

T/M: The tart cherries and raisin leap to the front of the palate, met by the bready sweetness. The brew is chewy, really viscous, and penetrates every nook and cranny of your mouth. Complex and layered, the cherry aspects bend toward a phenolic note mid-sip as notes of medicine and clove are detected. With all that's going on on the palate, the beer is flat, making it hard to parse the favors at the finish. Boozy, medicinal notes linger between sips.

Interesting, and has some tasty aspects, the beer really loses points with the lack of carbonation. This type of layered, complex beer really needs some scrubbing bubbles.

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Photo of Michigan
3.68/5  rDev -11.8%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

Poured from a 375 bottle into an Ommegang tulip. Need to check vintage.

A- FLAT. son of a bitch, Lost Abbey. Why the Hell can't you get this right?! Needed pliers to remove the cork. God dammit... Pours a deep red/brown. Let's call it red ocher.

S- tart cherries. Brett. Woody. Smells kinda like Tomme rolling in cherries.

T- cherries and brown sugar. Tartness. Sour. No funk. Pretty good wild.

M- fucking flat. Like a still white wine. Teeth coating sourness

O- another disappointing Lost Abbey. Here's to many more flat beers! Cheers!

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Photo of wordemupg
3.8/5  rDev -8.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

375ml corked and caged bottle poured into tulip 4/5/13 cheers Rutager for the bottle

A murky dark brown liquid with just a short lived film even after an angry pour, no lace, a few bubbles popping up here and there but it looks pretty still

S smells nice though with prune and raisin coated in brown sugar but I don't get much cherry or funk but just a little, some oak and vanilla with a hint of booze

T I get a little more tart cherry then I could smell on the nose but still not much, lots of brown sugar both crystal and burnt, some plum perhaps as it warms

M nearly flat, medium-full with some heat and faint tannin, plenty room for improvement in this department perhaps more cherry on the finish then anywhere else

O the nose and tastes pretty solid but it just doesn't follow through in other areas, I suppose the most important aspects are taken care of but I'm a little let down

I'm guessing I opened one of the classic Lost Abbey's dead bottles, no where near "off" but it needs some life to be a great beer. I can see how many things could go wrong brewing something like this but I doubt this is exactly what the envisioned

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Photo of riored4v
4.43/5  rDev +6.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2009 release enjoyed on 4/22/13

Poured in to a tulip. Clear, deep ruby colored body. Very little amount of head that faded quick.

Aroma had good amounts of oak, dark fruit and cherries. Good vinegar and acidic tartness. A bit pruney and earthy. Mellow maltyness.

Taste was great with loads of cherry and mouth puckering tartness. Oak, prunes and dark fruits also present. A bit lemony, acidic and vinegary. Mild maltyness. Some light notes of chocolate and caramel. Very nice tartness in the finish. No signs of ABV

Mouthfeel was medium body with a medium/high carb and a super dry finish.

Overall this was phenomenol and well worth the money. Great blend of flavors and tartness was excellent.

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Photo of Knapp85
4.33/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

This poured out kind of flat looking which is always a disappointment to me. Had some minimal bubbles around the edge of the glass but with time they vanished. The beer is murky brown looking with plenty of sediment floating around. The smell of the beer is funky with a boozy sweetness mixed with the cherry aromas. The taste are a sour tart cherry flavor upfront with a very subtle vanilla oak flavor in the finish. The mouthfeel I the beer is smooth, kind of flat which is a shame. Overall this beer has great taste and aroma but falls short in most other aspects.

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Photo of jvillefan
4.24/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.25

A: Deep brown body with a ruby tinge to it. Almost no head is present.

S: Very strange. There is intense sweetness from cherries. The malt comes in next with toffee and caramel notes.

T: Very sweet cherry starts it off. It then transitions to a rich caramel and toffee. The finish then comes back to cherry flavor without the associated sweetness.

M: Thick and silky body with very mild carbonation.

O: Great beer but a little sweet for my liking.

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Photo of inlimbo77
4.05/5  rDev -2.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

12.7oz bottle, 2011 vintage
Lost Abbey tulip

A: Murky brown color. Really no carbonation ala Lost Abbey. Nearly still. No light gets through. Have to knock it for the carbonation.

S: Dark cherries. Booze. Sweetness. Tartness. Strange malt sweetness, almost brown sugar and toasted caramel a little bit.

T: Definitely get that tart cherry flavor up front. Continues throughout the palate. Definitely get on back end too, like a cranberry juice lingering. Overall flavor is like a Flanders Red almost. Can't believe ABV is as high as it is. Tastes lower. That tart cherry and malt balance. Dry tart finish.

M: Medium full bodied. No carbonation is a fail. Sucks.

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Photo of popery
4.55/5  rDev +9.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

From notes, 1/31/11. Bottle. This is a delicious sour. It’s got tons of sour cherry flavor, but it doesn’t quite overwhelm the palate. Lots of acidity. Great pucker. Good funk in the aroma. Finishes dry and sour. It’s fairly complex, but the barrel notes kinda get lost. It’s a dark brownish red beer with no head, really. Very wine-ish. It’s one of the best from TLA and a wonderfully dry, fruity beer.

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Photo of portia99
4.21/5  rDev +1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

750ml bottle (2009) poured into an Old Guardian glass

A - pours a very clear mahogany color with a thin off white collar

S - raisins, tart cherries, brown sugar, powdered sugar, booze

T - tart, cherries, toffee and caramel

M - medium bodied, lower carbonation, tart, warming alcohol

O - very good beer, a bit on the fringes of the wild ale style with less focus on the sour and showing an even balance between the cherries and the malt in the flavors.

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Photo of Trilogy31
3.76/5  rDev -9.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Vintage 2010 i am guessing based on when i picked this up. A murky dark brown with a slight rhubarb hue - zero head and zero carbonation. The nose and taste really mirror eachother minus a big acetic balsamic note on the finish. Notes of sour cherry, barrel, bourbon caramel, light tobacco, puckering citrus along with a rich malty note. Overall i enjoyed this complex beer but it was undone by its complete lack of carbonation.

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Photo of Chaney
4.7/5  rDev +12.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This was sent to me by biglobo8971 way back in the day. Thanks Brandon!

Served in an Olde Hickory glass.

A: Poured a grape juice color, with almost no head to speak of (BA brews rarely do), maybe just a couple of mounds of bubbles.

S: Like a fine red wine with a sour twist. Sour cherries, vanilla, a bit of wood. Very potent indeed.

T: Perhaps I took to big of a gulp because my jaw just locked. I definitely good the richness from the quad upfront, but the late mid to the finish was pure sour cherry jubilee. I didn't get any bourbon taste, but the smooth, buttery, velvety finish could have been none other.

M: Pretty thick as far as these wild yeast beers go, somewhat acidic, but not totally a sour bomb. After a few sips, once the palate warm up to the flavors and sensations, the brew becomes somewhat smoother and creamier. No lacing left on the glass.

O: Totally blown away here. This is the best beer I've had so far in 2013.

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Photo of cosmicevan
3.32/5  rDev -20.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Notes from a tasting on 12/6. Big thanks to mike for the share.

Enjoyed from a lost abbey teku. vintage 2009?

bottle opened WITHOUT a pop (uh oh). pours still as the night. maroonish purple. smells super sour and rubbery. tastes like a brown ale with some funk and oak. definitely sour. rubbery sourness. i wish it was the beer without the barrel since the base beer seems interesting. little acetone, some heat, but flat like crazy...overally drinkable, but the lack of carbonation is a big let down.

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Photo of dirtylou
3.92/5  rDev -6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

on-tap, brouwers

appearance: 12oz pour in an unbranded snifter, muddy amber body, soapy white suds and a light filmy lace

smell: bourbon, tart and sweet cherry, oak, brown sugar

taste:intermingling of tart and sweet cherries, moderate notes of bourbon, oak, vanilla and brown sugar, raisin and caramel. Interesting, but not all it was cracked out to be.

mouthfeel: light tartness, oily, light bourbon bite

overall: pretty good - would have a hard time justifying the sticker price on a bottle though

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Photo of jaasen64
4/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at Lord Hobo for a Night with Tomme Arthur. 12oz serving in a tulip glass.

A- Dark reddish murky brown, pretty much completely opaque, a thin brownish head that leaves layered lacing, decent carbonation.

S- Chocolate, cherries, some very light vinegar funk and oak hiding in the background. Above average aroma strength, fairly sweet, not as sour as I was expecting.

T- Dark fruits, mostly cherries, some plum, tiny bit of raisins, some oak and bourbon, a light tartness on the finish but more sweet then anything.

M- Medium bodied, can detect a little bit of the abv but for 11% it is very well hidden and easy to drink, moderate carbonation.

O- This was a decent sour that I definitely enjoyed drinking. It wasn't as tart as I was hoping for, but the oak and dark fruits provided a nice taste and aroma to the beer. Not my favorite beer of the night, but well done. At $7/glass I would consider having it again and I'd recommend trying it.

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Photo of reto21
4.12/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2010 Vintage from brick store pub

A: Dark, murky brown body. Very little head, more like a soapy white film develops, but does stick around throughout the tasting. Surprisingly a good amount of silky lacing remains and really boosts the beers appearance.

S: Cherries, sour notes, not overpowering and have a nice sugary undertone. Light hints of bourbon that builds as the beer warms. Caramel and raison notes poke through on the tail end and become quite potent later in the tasting.

T: Pow, that will wake up your taste-buds. Cherry flavors are infused with sour notes. Bourbon and caramel hints are a nice contrast and really round out this beer nicely.

M: Very low to no carbonation, still highly drinkable.

O: I really enjoyed this glad i got to try it

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Photo of Sarlacc83
2.17/5  rDev -48%
look: 1 | smell: 4 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 2

375mL courtesy of Shane. Thanks! 2012 vintage.

A: Murky brown with no lacing. This is completely flat. Damn.

N: Cherries and bourbon. Vanilla and caramel. The sourness rises just above the cherries. And there are a lot of cherries here. Marionberry and prune. The smell is quite pleasant.

T: Muddy. Lots of sour cherries mixed with an overpowering sweetness of caramel and bitter chocolate. I admittedly cringed a bit. I've had this before, and it s not nearly as weird, I swear. There is so much cherry here, and it might be the saving grace. If this beer had one. Vinegar and acetone. Honey - almost like a mead.

M: Slick and oily and sharp. Not good.

O: I really don't understand what happened here. Last time I got a bottle of this (a 750mL) this was sublime. Tart and sharp and perfect. This is an unmitigated disaster. And I have one more. With any luck, this will taste good in 2014. And if it seems I'm being overly harsh, it's because I know how good this beer can be.

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Photo of pigc
3.67/5  rDev -12%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A - Pours a dark, murky brown with a minimal head that fades quickly

S - Tart cherries, alcohol, figs, raisins, plum, bourbon.

T - Tart cherry and raspberries up front followed by a wave of semi sweet bourbon and raisins. Picking up some spice, almost a cinnamon taste on the finish. Somewhat medicinal.

M - Medium bodied with decent carbonation. Decent tartness and acidity.

O - This one is sweet and sour. Somewhat over the top for me. I like the idea of trying to meld the tartness with the sweet bourbon qualities but it seems to lack that cohesion that brings them together.

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Photo of oline73
3.97/5  rDev -4.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a 2009 bottle that Tomme brought to the DC Lost Abbey tasting. Poured from the bottle into a tasting snifter.

Appearance: The beer pours a reddish dark mahogany color with almost no head at all.

Smell: Tart red berries with some mild roast and caramel notes. Nice.

Taste: Lots of red fruit sourness up front. A mild caramel malt like sweetness. Some vinegar sourness as well. There is a bitterness that shows up in the finish along with the fruit and tartness.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with tingly carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This is one of the better dark sours I've had. I enjoyed it quite a bit.

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Photo of augustgarage
4.03/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2010 Vintage - Poured from a 375mL bottle into my Drie de Fonteinen tumbler.

A vigoros pour produces only the most transient evidence of carbonation. A turbid cordovan/bole liquid admits no light and supports not so much as a surface slick. No legs or lacing.

Lovely barrel-derived aromatics suggest bourbon and dark red wine in equal measure. Vanilla, tobacco, mulberry, and more are suggested, albeit delicately, in the nose.

Potent, tart, leathery palate entry is packed with flavor, yet restrained and well integrated. Low but deep vinuous quality emerges along with hints of wood. A dark malt element contributes a touch of burnt sugar, but the sourness and aged flavors prevent the beer from ever tasting sweet. Dry, dusty, tannic, nearly smokey finish.

Medium-light bodied, with no carbonation, though not necessarily a fault with this style at least...

Judgment Day is here transformed into something closer resembling a wine than an ale. Careless with the carbonation perhaps, but the flavor is superior, comparing well to some of the best offerings from Rodenbach in fact...will re-visit when I get around to cracking open my 2009 vintage.

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Photo of t420o
4.46/5  rDev +7%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Cuvee de Tomme

Bottle from the brewery

A- pours a murky rose/purple/blackish color. No head or lacing. 3  

S- like red wine with a little bourbon and cherries. 4.5 

T- supurb. Very wine like with some bourbon and cherries like the smell. Awesome f'n beer. Nice and sour just like I like it. 4.5  

M- good mouthfeel. A bit thick. Light carbonation but it is there. 4 

O- a wonderful beer that was an absolute pleasure to have. I'd love to have a case of this. 5


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Photo of chugalug06
2.27/5  rDev -45.6%
look: 1 | smell: 4 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.5

Brown color brew. No carbonation, head, lacing, or desirable characteristics.

Nice sour brown (with cherry) scent. Tart, sweet, and fruity. Slight wet cardboard.

FLAT, dry, and Zero carbonation. Horrible, tart, musky copper taste. No heat, but weird distracting bitterness. The initial cherry/apple flavor is nice, but once the brew reaches the back of your tongue its horrible.

The only thing nice about this brew is the scent. sadly, this brew ended up as a drain pour... I hope to try it again, when LA figures out how to produce carbonation, but not at the $18 price tag.

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Photo of WillCarrera
4.32/5  rDev +3.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

375 ml bottle, no bottled-on date, poured into a tulip. Can't find a date on this anywhere, presumably the 2011 vintage.

A- Pours a dark, murky raisin/brown color. Produces no head or lacing whatsoever.

S- Very complex aroma, some tart cherries mixed with a sweet, fruity aroma of raisins and figs as well as caramel, toffee, vanilla, and bourbon and oak. Moderately boozy. It smells great, there's a lot going on here.

T- Pretty awesome, initial rush of cherry, lactic tartness recedes into a sweet center of bourbon, caramel, toffee, oak and vanilla. Lingering sweetness in the finish, nothing cloying, lots of barrel character towards the end.

M- Medium to full bodied, carbonation is low but still has enough to not be totally flat, has a very dry, tannic finish.

O- This is a damn awesome beer, the flavors are delicious and extremely complex, drinkability is pretty good for such a big beer, alcohol is well-masked for the most part. It's a bit pricey, but this is a really enjoyable beer overall.

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Photo of Rutager
3.29/5  rDev -21.1%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Purchased from the brewery last month, poured into two stemmed Lost Abbey tulips and shared with DaftCaskBC.

Appearance. Very turbid maroon-brown with no head to speak of.

Smell. Sweet, sweet fruits; cherries and berries, some sherry and cognac with some barrel wood and vanilla.

Taste. Caramel raisins, sweet cherries, red wine, wood and a little sherry.

Mouthfeel. Medium-full body with almost no carbonation.

Overall. Very interesting beer, lots of flavours going on here but they don't work very well together for me.

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Photo of DaftCaskBC
2.27/5  rDev -45.6%
look: 2 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 1.5

Thanks to Rutager.

A: No head over turbid brown liquid.

S: Buttery, fatty, apples, malt vinegar.

T: Butter, malt vinegar, raisins, and apples.

M: medium viscosity and carbonation.

O: not very tasty or drinkable. Won't be visiting this one again any time soon

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Photo of ColForbinBC
4.34/5  rDev +4.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

On-tap, served in a snifter

The body sits a still, muddy chestnut brown with a reddish tan cap that sits about one finger before settling to a thin collar. No visible carbonation.

The nose is seriously sour. Notes of sour cherries, leather, wine barrel oak, dry tobacco, rum soaked raisins...just a ton of lactic sourness.

Intensely sour. Rum soaked raisins blend with wine barrel oak before sour cherries take over. Tobacco and leather lend some drying notes that complement the sourness well. The finish is overly sour with cherry juice.

Medium body with low carbonation. Nothing really mind bending about the feel.

This is a world class sour that delivers on all fronts.

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Cuvee De Tomme from The Lost Abbey
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