Cuvee De Tomme | The Lost Abbey

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BA SCORE
4.21/5
Exceptional
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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey
California, United States
lostabbey.com

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 11.00%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Blended dark strong ale with sour cherries aged in American oak and French oak red wine barrels.

Once upon a time it was the most award winning Pizza Port beer of all time. Now it has found a new home at The Lost Abbey.

A massive brown ale base that is made from four fermentable sugars including malted barley, raisins, candi sugar and sour cherries, this beer is fully-fermented before being placed in bourbon barrels where the beer ages for one year with the sour cherries and the wild Brettanomyces yeast that we inoculate the barrels.

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#2,238
Reviews:
421
Ratings:
1,254
pDev:
10.69%
 
 
Wants:
679
Gots:
268
Trade:
10
 
User Reviews & Ratings
Reviews: 421 | Ratings: 1,254
Photo of GeezLynn
3.81/5  rDev -9.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.75

2009 bottle opened over the holidays. Cork slides out without the slightest bit of pressure. It’s somewhat comical that they even put a cage around it.

A: Dingy brown, without a trace of head.
S: Potent acetic acidity, caramel and chocolate, and some bourbon. Smells nice, like a big oud bruin.
T: Very tart cherry flavor, chocolate, dried fruit, apple, and a hint of vanilla. Tartness is assertive, but not excessive. Nice melding of flavors.
M: This would be the flattest freshly opened beer I’ve ever had. Body is medium with a smooth texture.
No need to belabor the point, but I prefer the low end of the carbonation scale, as long as there is SOME carbonation. Otherwise, a delicious beer.

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Photo of StonedTrippin
4.34/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

so stoked to finally try this, a beautiful specimen from the lost abbey. a rich mahogany color to it, lots of bubbles for what it is, and a nose to die for. really tart cherries and citric acid present themselves right up front. stick rich grainy beer follows, belgian loosely, but more raisin and molasses heavy than grain specifically. light spice, tons of cherries on the flavor. some residual sugar too, but they are balanced well with one another. it coats my palate well despite vbeing rather well carbonated for the style. cherries ll the way through start on the sour end and finish a little sweeter and fresher. dynamic and complex as anything, the sourness on the quad base make it like no other beer ive had. great use of fruit here, and very well hidden alcohol strength. one of the best beers from the lost abbey, and thats saying something.

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Photo of Axnjxn
4.52/5  rDev +7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

375ml corked bottle into a tulip. vintage 2012

very mildly carbonated, but not completely flat like other small lost abbey beers. dark red in appearance...smell is very strong and tart. taste has a ton going on....its such a mix of flavor. cherry possibly...but not too strong. very hard to describe. youre going to want to get in on this. had a 2009 and the 2012 definitely is better...flavors havent faded. tastes nothing like 11%. lovely

a favorite of mine. great!

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Photo of StoutSnob40
3.91/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.75

This beer is just weird.. It's very reminiscent of Consecration, but.. worse..

Visually, it's an opaque, dark, dark brown with translucent brown edges. There was no head at all, and the beer appeared to be totally flat.

It smells very tart with a very nice oaky background. I don't pick up on any cherries, though. My jaw hurts just smelling the sourness.

Taste is tart up front, with a dry finish. It's earthy, oaky with a hint of tobacco.

Mouthfeel is where this falls off for me. It is completely flat. If this had the carbonation level of Consecration, it would be much better. It's just hard to fully enjoy something that has the consistency of sour wine.

I liked this beer. It was interesting and weird, but I just wish it had some carbonation. It's a nice representation of the dark sour style, though.

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Photo of BMMillsy
3.75/5  rDev -10.9%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.25 | overall: 3.75

Lost Abbey bottle, no date, looks new. Pours a dark murky brownish red with no head whatsoever. Aroma if black cherry, some tart cherry, plums, oak, hint of vinegar, slight booze, even a bit of sweet chocolate. Flavor is big black cherry up front, some booze, tart cherry skins, dry oak, lingering dry tart cherry. Brown sugar comes out as it warms. No carbonation in this, medium heavy mouthfeel. Some heat lingering in the back of the throat. Very interesting beer. I like it but the flatness and the ugly look are hurting the score a bit.

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Photo of maDUECEgunner
3.84/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 3.75

Appearance: Even with a rough pour there was absolutely no head. The body was dark murky red-brown.

Smell: Dark cherries, a little bit of raisins.

Taste: strong cherries. There is a picking sourness, but not too overpowering.

Mouthfeel: the lack carbonation makes it a little disappointing.

Overall: If this was carbonated, this would easily be almost a point higher.

Serving type: bottle 2012 Vintage.

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Photo of Brewing_Rob
3.83/5  rDev -9%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured into a snifter.

Appearance: One of the ugliest beers I have ever experienced. This beer pours flat and murky. Best enjoyed in the dark!

Smell: Fantastic aroma of cherries and oak. Very nice balance of lactic acid and brett in the nose.

Taste: Wow! This beer delivers all those cherries and barrel flavored right to your head. A nice sour finish that isn't overwhelming.

Mouthfeel: just as a high gravity sour should be, dry. The beer has a nice body for being so dry, it's by no means thin and insipid or cloying.

Overall: I like it! The flat murky first impression is a bit disappointing but it totally delivers everywhere else. I think this is best to be enjoyed on a dark cool night by an open fire.

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Photo of Zraly
2.19/5  rDev -48%
look: 2.75 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 1.5 | overall: 1.75

2011 vintage -- was a gift from a friend

Pulled at the cork some -- and that was not an easy task. When I actually got the cork loose, there was not a sound. Poured into a Westvleteren XII chalice. The correlation between a lack of a pop when opening the bottle and the complete lack of carbonation is high here.

Murky purple-brown in color; tawny but not quite. No head to speak of, and barely a bubble present in the glass.

Flat. Flat. Flat! I've saved this for two years to have a flat beer. Very disappointing.

Slight smell of oak. Taste of vinegar and sour fruit. Finish is very acidic. This would make good salad dressing. Seriously, I think I might make salad dressing out of this. When the world gives you lemons...

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Photo of MagicJeff
4.11/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

After I wrestled the cork out of the bottle and took 5 minutes to cool down and catch my breath, I poured it into my Bruery snifter.

Appearance: Reminds me of a thick port. Deep ruby brown. No head at all.

Smell: Boozy and vinous. Currants, raisins, dates.

Taste: Raisins, lemon zest, even dark chocolate? Burn from alcohol on back end. This thing is crazy.

Mouthfeel: Medium to almost full bodied, which is interesting for an "american wild ale." Gets much better as it warms up. Very little carbonation.

Overall: I think if this thing actually had carbonation, it would be on par with RR sours. But it doesn't--which isn't necessarily bad. This would be a great post-hoilday meal beer. Very complex and worth a try...On the expensive side but I'd still recommend.

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Photo of brydeen
4.15/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 4.25

Reviewed as part of Blind BIF round 8

A: Pours a muddled, murky brown, with zero head at all. Not the most inviting appearance.

S: Sour dark fruits, oak, bourbon perhaps? A touch of vinegar, but not overly harsh. A hint of cherry. It has a very inviting sweet and sour vibe. As unappealing as it looks, it smells fantastic.

T: Sour splash of vinegar, but it's completely offset by a vanilla oaky backbone. This certainly tastes like a barrel aged wild or Flanders style brew. Sour cherries tickle the back of the tongue on the aftertaste. Quite tasty, with interesting flavors melding.

M: Medium bodied, with a firm alcohol presence, without feely boozy. Almost no carbonation present at all.

O: really interesting brew. Looks are as unappetizing as they get, but the flavors are wonderfully integrated and contrasting. Bottle shape/size had me thinking Russian River right away, but the lack of carb makes me think Lost Abbey. The beer resembles Red Poppy in look, which I just tried for the first time last week, only perhaps with more age?

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Photo of rand
3.17/5  rDev -24.7%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.25

From 375 mL bottle to flute glass

A: Dark ruby-red in color, the brew has no apparent carbonation and forms no head. Completely opaque.

S: The nose is sour cherries, raisin, vanilla and oaky cocoa. There's a strong malt-backbone that yields a distinct toffee sweetness, carried by ample alcohol volatiles.

T/M: The tart cherries and raisin leap to the front of the palate, met by the bready sweetness. The brew is chewy, really viscous, and penetrates every nook and cranny of your mouth. Complex and layered, the cherry aspects bend toward a phenolic note mid-sip as notes of medicine and clove are detected. With all that's going on on the palate, the beer is flat, making it hard to parse the favors at the finish. Boozy, medicinal notes linger between sips.

Interesting, and has some tasty aspects, the beer really loses points with the lack of carbonation. This type of layered, complex beer really needs some scrubbing bubbles.

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Photo of Michigan
3.68/5  rDev -12.6%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.75 | overall: 3

Poured from a 375 bottle into an Ommegang tulip. Need to check vintage.

A- FLAT. son of a bitch, Lost Abbey. Why the Hell can't you get this right?! Needed pliers to remove the cork. God dammit... Pours a deep red/brown. Let's call it red ocher.

S- tart cherries. Brett. Woody. Smells kinda like Tomme rolling in cherries.

T- cherries and brown sugar. Tartness. Sour. No funk. Pretty good wild.

M- fucking flat. Like a still white wine. Teeth coating sourness

O- another disappointing Lost Abbey. Here's to many more flat beers! Cheers!

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Photo of wordemupg
3.8/5  rDev -9.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

375ml corked and caged bottle poured into tulip 4/5/13 cheers Rutager for the bottle

A murky dark brown liquid with just a short lived film even after an angry pour, no lace, a few bubbles popping up here and there but it looks pretty still

S smells nice though with prune and raisin coated in brown sugar but I don't get much cherry or funk but just a little, some oak and vanilla with a hint of booze

T I get a little more tart cherry then I could smell on the nose but still not much, lots of brown sugar both crystal and burnt, some plum perhaps as it warms

M nearly flat, medium-full with some heat and faint tannin, plenty room for improvement in this department perhaps more cherry on the finish then anywhere else

O the nose and tastes pretty solid but it just doesn't follow through in other areas, I suppose the most important aspects are taken care of but I'm a little let down

I'm guessing I opened one of the classic Lost Abbey's dead bottles, no where near "off" but it needs some life to be a great beer. I can see how many things could go wrong brewing something like this but I doubt this is exactly what the envisioned

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Photo of riored4v
4.43/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

2009 release enjoyed on 4/22/13

Poured in to a tulip. Clear, deep ruby colored body. Very little amount of head that faded quick.

Aroma had good amounts of oak, dark fruit and cherries. Good vinegar and acidic tartness. A bit pruney and earthy. Mellow maltyness.

Taste was great with loads of cherry and mouth puckering tartness. Oak, prunes and dark fruits also present. A bit lemony, acidic and vinegary. Mild maltyness. Some light notes of chocolate and caramel. Very nice tartness in the finish. No signs of ABV

Mouthfeel was medium body with a medium/high carb and a super dry finish.

Overall this was phenomenol and well worth the money. Great blend of flavors and tartness was excellent.

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Photo of Knapp85
4.33/5  rDev +2.9%
look: 3 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.25

This poured out kind of flat looking which is always a disappointment to me. Had some minimal bubbles around the edge of the glass but with time they vanished. The beer is murky brown looking with plenty of sediment floating around. The smell of the beer is funky with a boozy sweetness mixed with the cherry aromas. The taste are a sour tart cherry flavor upfront with a very subtle vanilla oak flavor in the finish. The mouthfeel I the beer is smooth, kind of flat which is a shame. Overall this beer has great taste and aroma but falls short in most other aspects.

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Photo of jvillefan
4.24/5  rDev +0.7%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.25

A: Deep brown body with a ruby tinge to it. Almost no head is present.

S: Very strange. There is intense sweetness from cherries. The malt comes in next with toffee and caramel notes.

T: Very sweet cherry starts it off. It then transitions to a rich caramel and toffee. The finish then comes back to cherry flavor without the associated sweetness.

M: Thick and silky body with very mild carbonation.

O: Great beer but a little sweet for my liking.

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Photo of inlimbo77
4.05/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

12.7oz bottle, 2011 vintage
Lost Abbey tulip

A: Murky brown color. Really no carbonation ala Lost Abbey. Nearly still. No light gets through. Have to knock it for the carbonation.

S: Dark cherries. Booze. Sweetness. Tartness. Strange malt sweetness, almost brown sugar and toasted caramel a little bit.

T: Definitely get that tart cherry flavor up front. Continues throughout the palate. Definitely get on back end too, like a cranberry juice lingering. Overall flavor is like a Flanders Red almost. Can't believe ABV is as high as it is. Tastes lower. That tart cherry and malt balance. Dry tart finish.

M: Medium full bodied. No carbonation is a fail. Sucks.

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Photo of popery
4.55/5  rDev +8.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

From notes, 1/31/11. Bottle. This is a delicious sour. It’s got tons of sour cherry flavor, but it doesn’t quite overwhelm the palate. Lots of acidity. Great pucker. Good funk in the aroma. Finishes dry and sour. It’s fairly complex, but the barrel notes kinda get lost. It’s a dark brownish red beer with no head, really. Very wine-ish. It’s one of the best from TLA and a wonderfully dry, fruity beer.

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Photo of portia99
4.21/5  rDev 0%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

750ml bottle (2009) poured into an Old Guardian glass

A - pours a very clear mahogany color with a thin off white collar

S - raisins, tart cherries, brown sugar, powdered sugar, booze

T - tart, cherries, toffee and caramel

M - medium bodied, lower carbonation, tart, warming alcohol

O - very good beer, a bit on the fringes of the wild ale style with less focus on the sour and showing an even balance between the cherries and the malt in the flavors.

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Photo of Trilogy31
3.76/5  rDev -10.7%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Vintage 2010 i am guessing based on when i picked this up. A murky dark brown with a slight rhubarb hue - zero head and zero carbonation. The nose and taste really mirror eachother minus a big acetic balsamic note on the finish. Notes of sour cherry, barrel, bourbon caramel, light tobacco, puckering citrus along with a rich malty note. Overall i enjoyed this complex beer but it was undone by its complete lack of carbonation.

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Photo of Chaney
4.7/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

This was sent to me by biglobo8971 way back in the day. Thanks Brandon!

Served in an Olde Hickory glass.

A: Poured a grape juice color, with almost no head to speak of (BA brews rarely do), maybe just a couple of mounds of bubbles.

S: Like a fine red wine with a sour twist. Sour cherries, vanilla, a bit of wood. Very potent indeed.

T: Perhaps I took to big of a gulp because my jaw just locked. I definitely good the richness from the quad upfront, but the late mid to the finish was pure sour cherry jubilee. I didn't get any bourbon taste, but the smooth, buttery, velvety finish could have been none other.

M: Pretty thick as far as these wild yeast beers go, somewhat acidic, but not totally a sour bomb. After a few sips, once the palate warm up to the flavors and sensations, the brew becomes somewhat smoother and creamier. No lacing left on the glass.

O: Totally blown away here. This is the best beer I've had so far in 2013.

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Photo of cosmicevan
3.32/5  rDev -21.1%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Notes from a tasting on 12/6. Big thanks to mike for the share.

Enjoyed from a lost abbey teku. vintage 2009?

bottle opened WITHOUT a pop (uh oh). pours still as the night. maroonish purple. smells super sour and rubbery. tastes like a brown ale with some funk and oak. definitely sour. rubbery sourness. i wish it was the beer without the barrel since the base beer seems interesting. little acetone, some heat, but flat like crazy...overally drinkable, but the lack of carbonation is a big let down.

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Photo of dirtylou
3.92/5  rDev -6.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

on-tap, brouwers

appearance: 12oz pour in an unbranded snifter, muddy amber body, soapy white suds and a light filmy lace

smell: bourbon, tart and sweet cherry, oak, brown sugar

taste:intermingling of tart and sweet cherries, moderate notes of bourbon, oak, vanilla and brown sugar, raisin and caramel. Interesting, but not all it was cracked out to be.

mouthfeel: light tartness, oily, light bourbon bite

overall: pretty good - would have a hard time justifying the sticker price on a bottle though

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Photo of jaasen64
4/5  rDev -5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

On-tap at Lord Hobo for a Night with Tomme Arthur. 12oz serving in a tulip glass.

A- Dark reddish murky brown, pretty much completely opaque, a thin brownish head that leaves layered lacing, decent carbonation.

S- Chocolate, cherries, some very light vinegar funk and oak hiding in the background. Above average aroma strength, fairly sweet, not as sour as I was expecting.

T- Dark fruits, mostly cherries, some plum, tiny bit of raisins, some oak and bourbon, a light tartness on the finish but more sweet then anything.

M- Medium bodied, can detect a little bit of the abv but for 11% it is very well hidden and easy to drink, moderate carbonation.

O- This was a decent sour that I definitely enjoyed drinking. It wasn't as tart as I was hoping for, but the oak and dark fruits provided a nice taste and aroma to the beer. Not my favorite beer of the night, but well done. At $7/glass I would consider having it again and I'd recommend trying it.

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Photo of reto21
4.12/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2010 Vintage from brick store pub

A: Dark, murky brown body. Very little head, more like a soapy white film develops, but does stick around throughout the tasting. Surprisingly a good amount of silky lacing remains and really boosts the beers appearance.

S: Cherries, sour notes, not overpowering and have a nice sugary undertone. Light hints of bourbon that builds as the beer warms. Caramel and raison notes poke through on the tail end and become quite potent later in the tasting.

T: Pow, that will wake up your taste-buds. Cherry flavors are infused with sour notes. Bourbon and caramel hints are a nice contrast and really round out this beer nicely.

M: Very low to no carbonation, still highly drinkable.

O: I really enjoyed this glad i got to try it

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Cuvee De Tomme from The Lost Abbey
Beer rating: 4.21 out of 5 with 1,254 ratings