Veritas 004 | The Lost Abbey

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The Lost Abbey
California, United States

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

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Added by scottoale on 11-16-2008

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Photo of abfraser
4/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to waltonc for this in another generously shared beer drinking event.

A: Hazy golden yellow with a small head. My initial thought is "Oh no, not another no carbonation Lost Abbey beer." But overall a good looking beer.

S: A slight muskiness similar to an aged lambic. But not nearly as complex. Sour peaches, and other stone fruit.

T/M: Tart and funky, with the stone fruit flavors really dominating for me. The mouthfeel was mostly typical of a good sour--dry, and acidic. But then there's the lack of carbonation. Although not as uncarbonated as other LAs, I still think it detracts overall from the beer. Sour beers just taste better with carbonation, in my opinion.

D: Goes down pretty well. But drinkability is hindered by the fact that there's very little supply of this stuff.

Overall, solid effort. I wouldn't put this in the upper echelon of sours but enjoyable.

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Photo of NittanyBeerFan
4/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks go out to treyrab for sharing this highly touted rarity during an impromptu tasting on September 9th. Reviewed from notes.

Veritas 004 pours a clear light orange-hued copper. It is neither flat nor overcarbonated, and the sides of the glass do not show the large and lively carbonation bubbles that were so prominent when I had Yellow Bus. There is a light layer of bubbles on the top of the beer after the pour-related activity is all said and done.

The aroma yields a light dry funk, some hints of peachy esters, as well as an underlying sourness that pops against an oaky tannic background note. The flavors are similar, delicious, but I find that this beer lacks some of the depth of the other great American wilds. Certainly enjoyable, but there just isn't much complexity to be found here.

The texture is tingly and lightly bodied. Easy to drink, this is an enjoyable beer that I am happy to have had a chance to enjoy.

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Photo of ArrogantB
4/5  rDev -13.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to numbeercruncher for trading this beer to me. This is not a BSPA, its a wild ale. It starts to rush out of the bottle so be careful but it didn't quite gush. Nice cloudy orange color, looks like a nice gueuze. My first impression of the smell reminded me of a cantillon and then it quickly went away, funky, bretty, needs more horseblanket. The flavor is sour with peach flavors and I realized this reminds me of Fou Foune. The finish is interesting but I can't really define the flavor. I think I liked 003 better but I sure would like to try Yellow Bus or duck duck gueze alone. This beer was pretty nice and I'll look forward to possibly trying 005 in the future, whenever that is.

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Photo of scottfrie
4.05/5  rDev -12.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A huge thank you for sharing this one, Jeff. Poured into Jackie O’s snifter.

A: Pours a lightly hazy lemon-yellow with a thin white head.
S: The nose is full of funky and lightly sour notes of sweat and earthy barnyard funk. There is a bit of ambiguously fruity and herbal notes as well.
T: Fairly complex and earthy tasting with flavors of lemon, peaches, tangerine, sweat, hay and brett. The finish has suggestions of peaches and apricots. Overall, flavors are rather mellow with no one aspect dominating. The sourness isn’t overpowering either, but there is a bite of vinegar, tart lemon zest, and slight acetone.
M: Body is on the thin side of medium. Mouthfeel is tart and clean, and the thin carbonation froths up a bit in my mouth.
O: Really solid all around. I loved DDG, and to a lesser extent CdT, and although I’ve never had YB, I’d say DDG is what this beer tastes the most like to me. I dare say I like a lot of other wilds better (including DDG), but I would never pass up an opportunity to drink this again. A very solid brew.

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Photo of Thorpe429
4.15/5  rDev -10%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Huge thanks to bmanning for opening this bottle up at a recent tasting. Also shared with Amyliz4 and Heather.

A: Poured a hazy straw yellow with a bit of an apricot tint to it. Nice head and some very nice lacing.

S: A good amount of funk from the Brett alongside beautiful citrus aromas. Nice notes of lemon and lime alongside unripe peaches, green apple, and Sweetarts. A bit of oak.

T: Very similar to the nose with great acidity coming through. All of the same fruits, with the lemon and Sweetart flavors really coming through. Some great tart lemonade-type sourness. The best-tasting sour I have ever had.

M: Fairly light bodied with good carbonation and the perfect level of acidity and dryness.

D: Very drinkable. Great complexity without failing to exhibit a lovely sourness. Great balance between everything in it.

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Photo of waltonc
4.21/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Lost Abbey barrel night. Color is bright yellow. Lots of fruit and funk in the nose. As a friend of mine who attended and is not a huge fan of sour beers remarked, "it smells like toe jam." I wouldn't go that far, but the smell is not this beer's finest point. The taste was really good. Not nearly the funk in the taste that is present in the smell. Light, fruity, peaches, grapefruit, and lemon. Even my wife liked how this tastes, and she's not gung ho about sour beers. Mouthfeel was medium bodied with tartness that is not overwhelming. I honestly cannot recall how much carbonation was in this. On the whole, a pretty drinkable beer. I'm glad I had the chance to try it.

12/10/08 UPDATE: Opened a bottle of this last night with some friends. Have your glass ready, because this one may gush on you a little bit.

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Photo of hellbilly
4.23/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

bottle from rusty or the goat... memory evades me... at the bockyhorseys...

hazy golden color (darker than the cdc sitting next to it!) with a soft white head and lasting ring of foam. surprising amount of spotty lacing.

the nose is quite malty and sweet with notes of cinnamon, cement-y brett stink, lemon and some cheese-y cdt funk.

the amount of maltiness on the palate gives the impression of balance and really calms the sour... flavors include lemon, malt, some wood and yeast with the sourness hitting late in the finish. brett's at the party but in moderation and lends a refreshing dryness. the body is surprisingly thick and coating with a rich slick mouth feel. delicioso... 8/4/8/5/18/4.3

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Photo of hoppymcgee
4.27/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 5

Thanks to fbm115 for sharing this bottle at a tasting on 5/29/10. Poured approx. 4oz. from a 750ml bottle into a small snifter.

A: Glowing straw color with fizzy "tight-bubble" carbonation.

S: Lemon drop shot! Smells delicious.

T: Sweet to start - lots of apples, pears, and peaches with tannins going to work to produce a tart finish.

M: A little flat despite the appearance.

D: Very refreshing. A beer that I could drink all the time.

Overall, this is probably the best Veritas in the series so far.

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Photo of treyrab
4.27/5  rDev -7.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Opened at an impromptu tasting on September 9 with Dan NittanyBeerFan.

A: Veritas 004 opens with a nice pop (no gush) and pours into the tulip a nice yellow copper. A beauty of a head rises (spritzy head - not creamy or lasting) and falls rather quickly. Rather cloudy, though it has been sitting for months in the cellar. Looks nice. A tad darker than Yellow Bus, but I am sure that is expected with a dash of Cuvee.

S: A nice whiff of cherry and peach cocktail start. Very vibrant, but not too lactic, which is nice. It allows the softer side of the Brett to shine through and complement the peaches and cherries. Nice tropical fruit sourness as well as hints of oak. Pardon my comparisons to Yellow Bus, but this has a significantly less peach character (as expected), but an abundance more cherry tartness in the smell.

T: Tart cherry pie puree and smashed peach cockail hit you first. The sourness is robust, but not lactic to take away from the nuances of the bugs. Beyond the fruit, there is some slight oak, lemon zest, and perhaps vanilla. Very solid, but a tad one dimensional. I really appreciate the cherry and peach combination.

Overall, one hell of a beer. One of the best Lost Abbey's I have had. Probably the second best Lost Abbey sour I have had behind Yellow Bus. Well done Tomme.

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Photo of midaszero
4.3/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had on tap at the Lost Abbey barrel night

A - Hazy straw body with no head and no lacing

S - Peach and sourness

T - Peach is the main fruit taste. There are sweet and sour components but overall it is very mellow.

D - Medium body and light carbonation

M - Very easy to drink and very enjoyable

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Photo of JAXSON
4.3/5  rDev -6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2009 rate.

75cl bottle, big thanks to Matt. Pours a light, hazy peach with a big fluffy head. Initial salty aroma heavy on lactic acid and a really earthy brett. Wow, flavor is awesome, just light-years better than Isabelle I think. Really earthy, musky, and a bit salty. Tons of brett. Has a little bit of that sweaty sock brett element. Really beautiful soft peach/apricot presence in there. I’m not completely crazy about the hollow, salty brett element from the geuze part of the blend. This beer is best drank alongside a plate of feta cheese. It really works through the hard salty element and lets the rich, sour light fruit notes shine.

Update. After having this a few more times, including directly next to Yellow Bus once, and next to Isabelle and Deviation another time, and once a whole bottle before going on a run and getting sick, I can make some better summaries about this. Most similar to Yellow Bus, of course, with a great effervescent quality. Not as singular as YB, more complex, but more salty also. Much better than Isabelle in pretty much every way, deeper complexity, more layers, less annoying acidity. Not on the same level as Deviation. In my opinion even the best Lost Abbey sours are not on the level as the best Russian River sours.

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Photo of Arbitrator
4.33/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Chilled bottle into a glass. Shared by nickd717 at Sandstone's birthday party. Thanks a ton, Nick. For an orange dude you're all right.

A: Pours a clear, but lightly hazy, straw-golden body with energetic off-white head. Retention is great, and a large collar remains on the brew throughout the drink, depositing lace.

S: Peach, lemon rind, lacto sourness, mild brett funk.

T: Starts off with lemon (tart pulp and rind), getting progressively peachier. Lactic sourness kicks in midway through. The finish sees hints of barnyard / horse blanket / hay, but this is a pretty clean, "pure" sour.

M: Dry finish, with what could be some tannic astringency, but it's not easy to pick out. Light-bodied, effervescent carbonation. No bubble problems here.

D: My second favorite of the 3 Veritas beers I've tried. An excellent blend.

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Photo of Maltzilla
4.35/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Excelsior! Had this bottle at our tasting and we had it right before a Yellow Bus . . . suffice it to say that this gave the YB a run for its money and some even ranked it above it!

Poured from a bottle into a large cognac snifter. Hazy, light-gold color immediately. A nice medium head built up and was slow to dissipate.

Smell was bright as the look. I could get fresh citrus, very light bret and maybe a little touch of vanilla in the background. Very inviting!

The taste was amazing. This beer has so much flavor to it and all very well balanced. Got definite spice notes right up front, that gave way to lemon zest, sweet and tart fruit flavors. Maybe a touch of that oak/vanilla I got in the nose too.

Mouthfeel & Drinkability? I could do this thing all night. Absolutely wonderful experience!

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Photo of MiScusi
4.37/5  rDev -5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle shared with me by Jessethehutt, JRhode, and JHamel... thanks guys!!

Pours a kinda hazy golden. Soap sudsy white head. The smell brings the salivation reflex instantaneously. A sweet citric acid sour aroma. Taste is like the sour lemon bubblelicioius I use to buy as a kid... that one who's flavor would only last for like 10 seconds. Thankfully the flavor of this beer is not so fleeting. Great mouthfeel with prickly carbonation. Couldn't really pick up any other nuances but overall I really liked this beer.

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Photo of nickd717
4.38/5  rDev -5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle via trade, big thanks to KRAMER17801. Shared at my buddy Roger (Sandstone on BA)'s birthday dinner/bottle share.

Pours a mostly clear golden color with a one-finger, somewhat fizzy head and some floating yeast colonies.

Aroma is lemony tartness, funk, and light fruits. Smells pretty sour, but nice.

Flavor is amazing and complex. Funk, lemon, unripe peach, cherry, and orange. Definitely some brett in there. Long, tart finish.

Medium-bodied with prickly carbonation and a lively mouthfeel. Great acidity.

Drinkability is very high. Overall, yep, it's a good one, and sadly probably the closest I'll ever come to trying Yellow Bus. For consolation though, this is pretty much everything I expected Yellow Bus to be.

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Photo of Alieniloquium
4.38/5  rDev -5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Long time want! 750 mL bottle poured into a snifter.

Appearance - Bright orange and hazy. Very small white head and a thin collar.

Smell - Peaches and apricots. Bright acidic. Woody. Lots of oak. Wheat and grain.

Taste - Very nice stone fruit flavor. Not quite as distinct as the aroma, but a nice peach. flavor. Strong sourness. Woodiness builds. It gets a little bit too strong in the sourness in the finish, but it's just a touch too much.

Mouthfeel - Medium body. Medium carbonation.

Overall - Really impressive, especially for its age. Delicious fruit flavor that complements a well-made sour.

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Photo of alcstradamus
4.4/5  rDev -4.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to the "King of Beers" Jon for bringing this based on a joke I made about harassing him for a taste. No harassment necessary in the end.

Poured into a 5 oz. taster glass. Not a proper vessel for reviewing appearance, so my rating for this category is adjusted to create an accurate overall score.

Pours a hazy light yellow color. The aroma is tart lemon, nutty, dirty, with lots of white grape notes.

The flavor is very sour and has big notes of lemon zest, oak, pear, and light peach.

The body is too highly carbonated, but that could have been solved by doing a little swirling in the glass.

Overall this is extremely tasty and among a handful of the top American Wild Ale's I've had, but after a night of Belgian craziness this one didn't stack up to the absolute top of the sour food chain (it was knocking on the door)

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Photo of scottoale
4.42/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

From the freshly cork/caged 750ml. brown bottle, pours a murkish honey-gold ale with no head to speak of yet. Blended with four different barrels of aged ale.

Sweet and tart fruit lights up the nose. Pineapple, peach, honey, citrus and an authorititive sourness.

Sweet and sour balanced taste with plum, pineapple, grapefruit, peach, honey and a nice, crisp, tart finish. This blend is oh so young and already tastes fantastic. Give it some time and God only knows how this brew will evolve. Medium body with a little astringency.

A highly drinkable ale now, can't wait to see how this beauty ages.

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Photo of AgentZero
4.42/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A - Pours a yellow, hazy color with a small head and not much in the way of lacing but some chunks on the side during the drink.

S - A lot of fruit, some light lemon and something that seems to smell like cherry. A nice tartness with a bit of the oak influence.

T - Nicely tart with some mild lemon and a nice fruity background that doesn't get too sweet. Little bit of peach and small cherry that leaves the mouth cleanly.

M - Light bodied with nice carbonation, great for the style.

D - Pretty drinkable as it is not overpowering and nice and light. Seems to have less abv than 8%, like this and could do more.

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Photo of kbutler1
4.45/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle. Pours a really nice straw color with a slight white head. Some barnyard funkiness balanced out with lemon and white grape fruit type aromas. Wine like tastes similar to a good Chardonnay. Sweet up front that transitions to a nice sour/tart. Flavors also included pear, whtie grape, lemon, with a very subtle oakiness as well. Light mouthfeel with a touch of over carbonation. Overall, really nice beer and a top for me.

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Photo of bulletrain76
4.45/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

75cl bottle courtesy of ygtbsm94. Hazy gold with a big white head. Sour, almost gueuze-like aroma with some vinegar, honey, and bright fruitiness. The flavor is tart, though not extreme, with a pleasant grapefruit juice quality. Spritzy and medium-light feel. I was surprised at how gueuze-like this seemed, albeit with more malt and a bit more cleanliness.

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Photo of ggaughan
4.47/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sampled on Christmas Day thanks to my cousin, krkearney. The beer poured a cloudy golden, yellow color with a half inch thick white head. The nose had a nice aroma of citrus fruits, a bit earthy and yeast notes as well. The taste is wonderful. Tart up front with a nice mix of sweet as well. I also got a touch of wood character and some buttery notes as well. Another fine Lost Abbey beer.

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Photo of JonathanL7890
4.47/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to Midaszero for sharing his bottle.
Appearance : golden, cloudy, no apparent head.
Smell: some funk, lemon fruits, peach.
Taste: light, fruit, like a sour orange. A bit low on the carbonation.
Drinkability: super drinkable. One of the most drinkable sours that I've had. Hard to believe that it is 8% abv. I could easily polish off a bottle myself.

I think this beer should be classified as an American Wild Ale not a belgian strong PA. Seems like a blonde ale blended with a sour lambic.

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Photo of drabmuh
4.47/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle provided by Brad in a side by side with V006, wow, what an experience.

Served in a wine glass because I don't have a Lost Abbey wine glass....yet.

Beer is yellow and completely hazy (I got the bottom so I don't know if that is normal). Thin, nearly absent head, no lacing, moderate to low carbonation.

Beer kind of smells like lemons, grass, oak, mild funk, some acetic, mild lactic in the nose. I like it.

Beer has an odd initial flavor I think. It tastes a lot like lemon peels at first, this gives way to a mild tannic flavor and some vinous notes of grapes and mild acetic brightness. The lactic presence is lower than I expected. The finish is nice too, a very drinkable beer. Thoroughly enjoyed.

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4.47/5  rDev -3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5


Alex pulls out yet another big bottle for a taste, thanks again Ski! The pour produces a clean, nearly straw golden liquid that manages to glow when backlit. The snap, crackle, pop of the head grows rather easily to a finger in height before fizzing out to a skimming after a minute or two. A couple small flecks of foam stick to the glass but slide into the body after a few seconds.

VERITAS 04 hits its stride in the aroma department. The nose is very Cantillon-like with the combination of mustiness, cobwebs and tartness that makes my mouth water uncontrollably before even taking my first drink. Citric notes, mostly lemon, and a faint hint of tart peach add the fruity tartness while handfuls of musty attic, wet worn leather, decaying wood, horseblanket, and other various farmyard entities take hold. The nose on this beer is as close to an authentic gueuze as I've yet to come across from an American brewery. Seriously, it's a mouthwater inducer!

The flavor profile can't quite hit the massive expectations left behind from the aroma but is still so insanely good that it warrants the same score. This gueuze shows off a mouth puckering amount of citric acidity that cleans things out after the hugely complex musty barnyard notes roll through. Again, the flavor is loaded with that very familiar Cantillon funkiness. Damp hay, wet rock mineral-ish qualities, cobwebs, and leather abound before the citric bite takes over. When Lost Abbey gives a shit they do it up right.

LA hit the carbonation just right on this brew. It's fizzy but not prickly and manages to wash the tongue fairly clean after each drink. The body is moderately light with enough heft to allow the complexity to work through slowly. A mouth puckering citric tartness brings up the rear and is still, to this day, making my mouth water.

I could slam this beer without a problem, besides heartburn, nearly all day long. The combination of light body, refreshing tartness, and incredible flavors make this a hard beer to set down. If VERITAS 04 was readily available I would have no problem finding a reason for liver failure.

VERITAS 04 is the most authentic and delicious of gueuzes I've come across from a US brewer and could actually rival a good deal of Belgian's finest. Lost Abbey can make good beer, it's a shame they don't care enough to take care of their other labels as much as the super special releases. Thanks again for sharing, Alex!

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Veritas 004 from The Lost Abbey
4.61 out of 5 based on 152 ratings.
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