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Veritas 004 | The Lost Abbey

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Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey
California, United States

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

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Added by scottoale on 11-16-2008

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Photo of bulldogp04
4.85/5  rDev +4.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

First of all, HUGE THANKS to Alen for this treasure !

Appearance: Pours a hazy orange, almost looks like an amaretto sour...Thin prickly white head quickly dissipates and leaves a small, thin ring of bubbles around the edge of my chalice.

Aroma: Smells of beautifully ripe peaches, tart lemons, and barnyard funkiness...hints of vinegar in the nose as well ! Unripe cherries also present in the nose...smells amazing and...

Taste: Wow ! Simply Wow....peaches, lemons, dark bing cherries amidst a beautiful lactic and acetic sourness....AMAZING ! Slight salt presence, as well...sounds weird, but is actually quite complementary.

Mouthfeel: Medium bodied, perfect for style...slightly effervescent as you swallow and let the flavors soak all into your lucky tastebuds ! Finishes nice and clean, where the dryness kicks in.

Drinkability: Extremely enjoyable and drinkable....Severely wish I could have this beer all the time. Maybe the best beer I have ever had the pleasure of sipping ! Definitely leaves a very noticeable and lingering peach puckerness at the edge of your palate that keeps you wanting more, sip after sip !

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Photo of koopa
4.69/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Well I came home from a frustrating day at work and decided that it would be nice to treat myself as good as I deserve to be treated by some of my shortsighted superiors! So I cracked open one of my most prized bottles in my cellar...The Lost Abbey Veritas 004!

The caged and corked 750ml bottle actually produced an audible pop as it came out. Some foam started to slowly produce so I quickly filled a Gulden Draak Tulip glass.

Appearance: An attractive neon orange with yellow folds and at times (in the right light....actually in the right lack of light!) a slightly red tint. Little to no off white head, no retention and no lace.

UPDATE: Second pour produced a 1 finger slightly off white crown that showed a touch of retention and some lace.

Smell: Oh baby there is loads of tart citrusy goodness going on in this nose! First off, the tart citric quality is very Cantillon like in a lot of ways. But I'm not getting as much "funk" here as I would in most Cantillons. Predominantly lemon notes with a slight mineral quality, and minimal mustiness.

Taste: Oh wow this one has some complexity yet its straightforward in how delicious it is! An initial tartness up front seems to open up to a green grape note that is swiftly overpowered by loads of lemon acidic goodness. Almost "berliner weisse like" if ya ask me. The finish is really tart as well. The barnyard is in the background but you can't miss it either. That's where the "wild" comes into play!

UPDATE: As the glass warmed a wonderfully pronounced and well executed horseblanket profile emerged.

Mouthfeel: Appropriately thin with just enough carbonation to please.

Drinkability: The abv and massive dose of citric tartness are the only factors holding this one back from a higher rank.

Absolutely fantastic!

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Photo of Maltzilla
4.35/5  rDev -6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Excelsior! Had this bottle at our tasting and we had it right before a Yellow Bus . . . suffice it to say that this gave the YB a run for its money and some even ranked it above it!

Poured from a bottle into a large cognac snifter. Hazy, light-gold color immediately. A nice medium head built up and was slow to dissipate.

Smell was bright as the look. I could get fresh citrus, very light bret and maybe a little touch of vanilla in the background. Very inviting!

The taste was amazing. This beer has so much flavor to it and all very well balanced. Got definite spice notes right up front, that gave way to lemon zest, sweet and tart fruit flavors. Maybe a touch of that oak/vanilla I got in the nose too.

Mouthfeel & Drinkability? I could do this thing all night. Absolutely wonderful experience!

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Photo of francisweizen
4.5/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

sun drenched golden hue out in the San Diego sunshine. Small wispy white eggshell foam that is revived with a swirl.

Aromas of cantillon like funk faint fruit and fresh baked bread.

Taste is super funky and almost gueuze like with a background agave sweetness.

Mouthfeel is crisp and refreshing.

Drinkability is phenomenal.

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Photo of tpd975
5/5  rDev +8%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Huge thanks to fogdog for bringing this one to a crazy ass sour tasting.

A: Pours a nice light golden hue with some cloudiness. The head is light but bubbly. Shows some pretty nice lace.

S: Citric fruit and acid notes from the start. Hints of peaches, with a hint of barn yard funk.

T: Mmm peaches! The citrus is there as well. Hints of hay and barn yard funk. Strawberries make an enterence with lemon zest. Just a touch of oak. Nice balance of sweet and tart.

M: Light zippy carbonation to carry the flavors.

D: Good, my favorite in a sour tasting that included most of the big boys.

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Photo of bulletrain76
4.45/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

75cl bottle courtesy of ygtbsm94. Hazy gold with a big white head. Sour, almost gueuze-like aroma with some vinegar, honey, and bright fruitiness. The flavor is tart, though not extreme, with a pleasant grapefruit juice quality. Spritzy and medium-light feel. I was surprised at how gueuze-like this seemed, albeit with more malt and a bit more cleanliness.

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Photo of Sean9689
4.7/5  rDev +1.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Huge thanks to Alex (MasterSki) for breaking this one out during out sour/wild tasting! Poured from 750ml bottle into Bell's Tulip.

A - Pour hazy yellow with a white head. There is lacing evident after the head starts to fizzle down.

S - Very funky! A lot more then the Yellow Bus, that's for sure. There is a lot of Phunky Duck in this one. Really cheesy, sour/tart notes. I really don't get any of the Yellow Bus on the nose at all, it's overpowered by the PD. That said, this one has an awesome nose.

T - I am able to pick up on the peach notes from the YB here although the funk is more present. Huge sour/tart notes meld well with the sweetness for a nice finish of both sweet & sour (chicken, anyone?). Not much CdT in taste, I think Phunky Duck just overpowers it here.

M - Light bodied with a very dry lip-puckering finish. Nice palate-tickling carbonation rounds this one out well.

D - An awesome wild from Lost Abbey. Not as easy to drink as the Yellow Bus, but then again, this is something different that I can appreciate when compared to YB.

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Photo of MasterSki
4.67/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Big thanks to Mark for trading this to me - I know you don't like sours Mark, but I appreciate it all the same. Served in my Kuhnhenn tulip.

A - This is a little bit nicer looking than Yellow Bus. A finger of off-white foam that dissipates to a ring and some patchy haze. This one leaves behind a little of lace. Slightly hazed mostly transparent orange-yellow color body with lots of bubbles racing to the top. Gets more hazed the deeper we get into the bottle.

S - This is super funky - there must be a ton of Phunky Duck in here and only a little Yellow Bus and Cuvee de Tomme. There's a touch of peach and white wine grapes, but it's way more barnyard, horsey sweat, and must.

T - The taste is super tart with a good amount of lactic sourness as well. There's not much in the way of sweetness - just a hint of peach and sour apple. The finish is dry and super tannic with surprising mildness. I don't find this as deep as the Yellow Bus, but it's still quite amazing.

M - This is even tinglier than Yellow Bus - to the point where it gets a little irritating. The finish is super dry and the body is medium in density. The texture is a little grittier than I prefer.

D - I'd drink a bottle of this one myself too. I'm sad the bottle is empty and I'm tempted to ask Mark for his other bottle of this one.

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Photo of craytonic
4.65/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance: Hazy golden/amber pour with a nice white, foamy head. Looks much more full (and tasty!) than 003.

Smell: Incredibly rich, peaches, pears, pineapple, honey, sour apples, citrus, lemon. Light brett and some wood

Taste: Perfectly tart and sour, with lots of golden fruits like peaches, pears, sour apples, and citrus. Some nice soft grains and honey give it a great taste and body, great yeast as well. Perfect without being vinegar or reallemon juice.

Mouthfeel: Full without being heavy, perfect carbonation. Very, very dry.

Drinkability: Good for the style.

*NB: My second favorite of the Veritas series, right behind 001. Already wishing for another one.

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Photo of DefenCorps
4.69/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle #1 at the cheese-deprived tasting. Thanks, Shane.

A: Light yellow with a thin, white head with OK retention. Some lacework is left as I drink this.

S: Delicate and fragrant with a bright barnyard Brett chacaracter opening things up, with a great fruit character. Peaches are unmistakable. Sourness is rather reserved, with a mellow funk character present. Acidity is reserved, making for a delicious smelling beer

T: Opens up mildly sour with a great combination of fruit character (peaches dominate, with a mild cherry character present), funk (barnyard, one day-old gym socks). Mild lactic sourness is present, and the finish is dry, dour and mildly tannic. Complexity is quite high in this beer.

M: Light, airy and very dry finish make for a great sour. The reserved acidity further enhances the palate.

D: I really could drink this all day. Excellent beer.

**Edit 01 July 2012**

Another beer Tomme, Gwen and Ryan were generous enough to share with us. Thanks, guys!

Beautiful light peach character, brighter, fresher and fruitier than Yellow Bus. A touch of spice (cinnamon). Peach skins. The sour base beer is strong, a little unbalanced, but it works perfectly for with the nose. The palate is sour with a blend of lactic acid and esters of ethanoic acid. Some clove is noticeable. Cleaner, less yeasty than YB. Drying, sour finish, moderate peach flavor and sourness. Again, that solventy, acetone-like character is present, but is at a low enough level to be enjoyable. Excellent stuff.

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Photo of seaoflament
4.47/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to Shane for opening up this bottle at the 'You Bring the Cheese Tasting' which took place on July 25th 2009 (which ran into the 26th). Finally get to try this great beer and couldn't have had it in a better way than to share it among some good friends and great BA's (Joey, Shane, Dyan, Chris, and Stephen). It was also very interesting to have this side-by-side with one of the beers that was used for the blending, Yellow Bus.

Veritas 004 is a hazy peach color. The pour produced close to an inch of foam that fell down to form a ring. No lacing on the sides but the ring did maintain through the duration of the beer and a swirl of the glass brought back some life in the form of a small head.

Upon the first smell I could tell that this one is very forward with the Phunky Duck (a lambic-style beer that was also part of the blending). Some Phunk on the nose with some brett, vinegar, pineapple, apples, peaches (there's the Yellow Bus), grapes, and more soft peach notes. Hints of cherries in the finish. Very lovely aroma, the combination of the funkiness, acidity, vinegar, and brett of Phunky Duck with the crisp, tart, and peach/apple-like candy flavors of Yellow Bus work amazing together.

With the first sip I could pick up the peaches from Yellow Bus almost right away, followed by some apples, hints of vinegar, a bit of funk mid-way, and sweetness in the finish provided by the Yellow Bus (which has a long finish). Nicely tart and refreshing. Low carbonation but soft on the palate, dry finish and long aftertaste as well. Would love to drink this again, I was pretty bummed that I couldn't afford the Barrel Aged Tasting at Lost Abbey were this one was sold, so I'm really glad I finally got to try this. Easily the best Veritas blend to date.

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Photo of slaintemhor
4.48/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Got to sample the '04 of this yesterday at a tasting at my house.
The color was cloudy and straw-like. The nose was nicely acetic with hints of wood and lemon. On the palate, vinegar, crispness, tart and tangy with quince, lemon and funk. The finish was decidedly lengthy and refreshingly tangy.

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Photo of gford217
4.55/5  rDev -1.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle courtesy of a super generous BA poured into a tulip.

Thank goodness the cage on this one held up as the cork was doing it damnedest to get out. As soon as I loosened the cage, the cork nearly put a hole in the ceiling.

The foam come pouring out fairly slowly though, so definitely not a gusher. In fact, the head settled in at about two inches and white with the pour. The body is a super bright hazy golden orange underneath the cap that sticks around for the duration and leaves good lacing.

The aroma is extremely enticing with light lemons, overripe peaches and plenty of harder earthy funk as well. As it warms, tart cherries start to come out and the wood character is pretty evident. Overall, you just know it's going to be sour judging from the nose.

The taste caused me to pucker quite a bit with a vinegar and tart lemon and peach presence up front that gave way to the bready malts in the middle and a dry tart cherry finish. The brett is present throughout and the funk seems to build between each sip.

The mouthfeel is fantastic with lively carbonation that complements the dryness of the finish and the brett perfectly.

I'm still getting my palate around sours and this is certainly one of the best I've ever tasted. The brett funk is perfectly balanced by the underlying fruity tartness and makes it very drinkable. I'm not sure if I'd enjoy any more if the brett became more pronounced. As it stands right now, I love it.

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Photo of mikesgroove
4.97/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Oh hell yeah. I am a very lucky man to be able to finally try this very rare, and utterly fantastic beer. Served chilled and poured into a snifter, this 750ml wonder was consumed on 05/16/2009.

The pour was brilliant and just what I would expect to be/ Light golden amber in color with with a big foamy head of white on top. Really cloudy and hazy and this gave it a much fuller look. Definitley going to be a winner here. Ohh, the rich funky nose on this one, I am melting into the chair. Sour apples, lots of light fruit notes, touch of grassy hops, wow. Perfect here in nearly every way. Not too heavy, and the tartness and sour is perfectly placed. As I sip I close my eyes and the tartest granny smith apple I have ever had combines with a pear and just shreds through my mouth. Lip puckering, perfectly balanced. I am floored. Letting it sit perhaps a touch of cherries works its way in, still light hops drying the palate and sourness that is not overwhelming but just will not quit. Perfect carbonation and medium body with no hint of alcohol at all.

Overall this is hands down the best beer I have ever had from Lost Abbey, and pretty much the best sour I have had, aside from that first batch Beatification. This beer isperfect, seriously. I had heard it was good, but shit, this is excellence. I have had my faith in LA temporarily renewed after this.

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Photo of hellbilly
4.23/5  rDev -8.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

bottle from rusty or the goat... memory evades me... at the bockyhorseys...

hazy golden color (darker than the cdc sitting next to it!) with a soft white head and lasting ring of foam. surprising amount of spotty lacing.

the nose is quite malty and sweet with notes of cinnamon, cement-y brett stink, lemon and some cheese-y cdt funk.

the amount of maltiness on the palate gives the impression of balance and really calms the sour... flavors include lemon, malt, some wood and yeast with the sourness hitting late in the finish. brett's at the party but in moderation and lends a refreshing dryness. the body is surprisingly thick and coating with a rich slick mouth feel. delicioso... 8/4/8/5/18/4.3

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Photo of largadeer
4.65/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Appearance: Straw colored, gueuze-like appearance. Clear for the first glass, hazier after that. This one foamed up in the bottle quite a bit, making later pours somewhat flat.

Smell: Massive barnyard funk up front. Lactic sourness meets unripe fruit (peaches are fairly noticeable). Faintly mineral, little bit of soft grain. The yeast really steals the show here. Very authentic gueuze-like character, the only thing setting it apart being the slight presence of fruit.

Taste & mouthfeel: Dry and puckering with lots of up-front fruitiness; pineapple, peach, lemon. Acidity is fairly restrained despite the strong sourness. Light, crisp body; dry from start to finish. There's a bit of cider vinegar mid-palate, but on the whole this is a beautifully blended beer that really highlights the good aspects of the bugs and hides the bad ones.

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Photo of hopdog
4.89/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

750ml caged and corked bottle acquired in trade.

Poured a medium and cloudy golden/yellow color with an averaged sized white head. Aromas of brett, woody, citrus, and fruity. Tastes of citrus, lemony, brett, funky, vanilla, and just all around 'greatness'. Had a nice tart and puckering finish that wasn't overpowering. This one kept me wanting more...I must have more.

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Photo of Overlord
5/5  rDev +8%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Thanks for the trade!

Pours a hazy golden orange. An inch or so of white sandy foam. Smell is sour funk. Lively vinegar and lemon in the aroma. Old blanket mustiness and raw green apples.

Taste is insanely vinous. Unripe grapes, explosive vinegar, acidic lemon ... this is an ass puckeringly sour beer. Bit of a fruit/berry component ... I'd describe it as peach-ified raspberries. Lively peaches lingering on the aftertaste and dancing amongst the flavors. Great balancing fruit to liven up the acidic tartness.

Great carbonation. Really keeps the beer lively, effervescent, and the flavors just keep on popping.

***updating my review. This is as good as it gets.

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Photo of ggaughan
4.47/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sampled on Christmas Day thanks to my cousin, krkearney. The beer poured a cloudy golden, yellow color with a half inch thick white head. The nose had a nice aroma of citrus fruits, a bit earthy and yeast notes as well. The taste is wonderful. Tart up front with a nice mix of sweet as well. I also got a touch of wood character and some buttery notes as well. Another fine Lost Abbey beer.

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Photo of JonathanL7890
4.47/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to Midaszero for sharing his bottle.
Appearance : golden, cloudy, no apparent head.
Smell: some funk, lemon fruits, peach.
Taste: light, fruit, like a sour orange. A bit low on the carbonation.
Drinkability: super drinkable. One of the most drinkable sours that I've had. Hard to believe that it is 8% abv. I could easily polish off a bottle myself.

I think this beer should be classified as an American Wild Ale not a belgian strong PA. Seems like a blonde ale blended with a sour lambic.

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Photo of ArrogantB
4/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to numbeercruncher for trading this beer to me. This is not a BSPA, its a wild ale. It starts to rush out of the bottle so be careful but it didn't quite gush. Nice cloudy orange color, looks like a nice gueuze. My first impression of the smell reminded me of a cantillon and then it quickly went away, funky, bretty, needs more horseblanket. The flavor is sour with peach flavors and I realized this reminds me of Fou Foune. The finish is interesting but I can't really define the flavor. I think I liked 003 better but I sure would like to try Yellow Bus or duck duck gueze alone. This beer was pretty nice and I'll look forward to possibly trying 005 in the future, whenever that is.

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Photo of abfraser
4/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Big thanks to waltonc for this in another generously shared beer drinking event.

A: Hazy golden yellow with a small head. My initial thought is "Oh no, not another no carbonation Lost Abbey beer." But overall a good looking beer.

S: A slight muskiness similar to an aged lambic. But not nearly as complex. Sour peaches, and other stone fruit.

T/M: Tart and funky, with the stone fruit flavors really dominating for me. The mouthfeel was mostly typical of a good sour--dry, and acidic. But then there's the lack of carbonation. Although not as uncarbonated as other LAs, I still think it detracts overall from the beer. Sour beers just taste better with carbonation, in my opinion.

D: Goes down pretty well. But drinkability is hindered by the fact that there's very little supply of this stuff.

Overall, solid effort. I wouldn't put this in the upper echelon of sours but enjoyable.

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Photo of midaszero
4.3/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Had on tap at the Lost Abbey barrel night

A - Hazy straw body with no head and no lacing

S - Peach and sourness

T - Peach is the main fruit taste. There are sweet and sour components but overall it is very mellow.

D - Medium body and light carbonation

M - Very easy to drink and very enjoyable

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Photo of MiguelMandingo
4.57/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Thanks to midaszero for sharing this bottle. This was awesome.

Poured part of a 750ml into a snifter.

Appearance - This pours a hazy translucent peach color and produced a 1/2 finger head that quickly dissipated to a thin halo around the perimeter of the glass. A quick swirl of the glass brings the head right back, but then quickly dissipates once more. Low head retention. No lacing to speak of.

Smell - The nose is awesome. The fruit notes are huge and they intermingle with the tart, funky nose in near perfection. There notes of peach, lemon, and a distant berry note. Behind the funk, tart, and fruit, there are notes of honey and caramel - lending a hint of sweetness.

Taste - The flavor is awesome - nearly identical to the scent. The flavor has notes of peach, lemon, and a hint of berry. The flavor is noticeably less sweet than the scent would have hinted. The lemon notes are closer to lemon zest than actual lemon. Very tart and funky. I just noticed that the ABV is listed at 8%, um... where are they hiding it?

Mouthfeel - The mouthfeel is great. Light/Medium bodied with a great level of carbonation. Very crisp. The carbonation is very lively and keeps the beer feeling interesting.

Drinkability - Damn, this is a great beer. The flavor is amazing and it is incredibly easy to drink. Lost Abbey is putting out some incredible sours. With or without the ABV, this is incredible.

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Photo of waltonc
4.21/5  rDev -9.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

On tap at Lost Abbey barrel night. Color is bright yellow. Lots of fruit and funk in the nose. As a friend of mine who attended and is not a huge fan of sour beers remarked, "it smells like toe jam." I wouldn't go that far, but the smell is not this beer's finest point. The taste was really good. Not nearly the funk in the taste that is present in the smell. Light, fruity, peaches, grapefruit, and lemon. Even my wife liked how this tastes, and she's not gung ho about sour beers. Mouthfeel was medium bodied with tartness that is not overwhelming. I honestly cannot recall how much carbonation was in this. On the whole, a pretty drinkable beer. I'm glad I had the chance to try it.

12/10/08 UPDATE: Opened a bottle of this last night with some friends. Have your glass ready, because this one may gush on you a little bit.

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Veritas 004 from The Lost Abbey
Beer rating: 4.63 out of 5 with 153 ratings
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