Veritas 004 | The Lost Abbey

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Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey
California, United States

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by scottoale on 11-16-2008

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Photo of Urbancaver
4.62/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a clear golden yellow. Nice touch of white head. Looks pretty. Smells fruity and tart. Lots of light citrus. Very funky. Tastes tart and a bit acidic. Well carbonated. A bit too sweet but overall very nice. I really enjoy this beer. Not very much peach at first but it grows :)

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Photo of treyrab
4.27/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Opened at an impromptu tasting on September 9 with Dan NittanyBeerFan.

A: Veritas 004 opens with a nice pop (no gush) and pours into the tulip a nice yellow copper. A beauty of a head rises (spritzy head - not creamy or lasting) and falls rather quickly. Rather cloudy, though it has been sitting for months in the cellar. Looks nice. A tad darker than Yellow Bus, but I am sure that is expected with a dash of Cuvee.

S: A nice whiff of cherry and peach cocktail start. Very vibrant, but not too lactic, which is nice. It allows the softer side of the Brett to shine through and complement the peaches and cherries. Nice tropical fruit sourness as well as hints of oak. Pardon my comparisons to Yellow Bus, but this has a significantly less peach character (as expected), but an abundance more cherry tartness in the smell.

T: Tart cherry pie puree and smashed peach cockail hit you first. The sourness is robust, but not lactic to take away from the nuances of the bugs. Beyond the fruit, there is some slight oak, lemon zest, and perhaps vanilla. Very solid, but a tad one dimensional. I really appreciate the cherry and peach combination.

Overall, one hell of a beer. One of the best Lost Abbey's I have had. Probably the second best Lost Abbey sour I have had behind Yellow Bus. Well done Tomme.

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Photo of NittanyBeerFan
4/5  rDev -13.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks go out to treyrab for sharing this highly touted rarity during an impromptu tasting on September 9th. Reviewed from notes.

Veritas 004 pours a clear light orange-hued copper. It is neither flat nor overcarbonated, and the sides of the glass do not show the large and lively carbonation bubbles that were so prominent when I had Yellow Bus. There is a light layer of bubbles on the top of the beer after the pour-related activity is all said and done.

The aroma yields a light dry funk, some hints of peachy esters, as well as an underlying sourness that pops against an oaky tannic background note. The flavors are similar, delicious, but I find that this beer lacks some of the depth of the other great American wilds. Certainly enjoyable, but there just isn't much complexity to be found here.

The texture is tingly and lightly bodied. Easy to drink, this is an enjoyable beer that I am happy to have had a chance to enjoy.

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Photo of DaveJanssen
4.5/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

750 split three ways into red wine glasses. Big thanks to Footstones. Reviewed 20 March 2011.

Ar: Tart, fruity, lemony citrus, tart berry, nectarine, strong peach, clean lost abbey fruity sour profile, pineapple

Ap: White head, good retention, clear bright gold

T: Lemony sour, peach, nectarine, strong pineapple, lots of tropical fruit, nice floral notes, super fruity, berries, complex, overwhelming fruit character, Similar to other lost abbey wilds (Cable Car, DDG) in the strong fruit and minimal funk but this has a stronger pineapple and less berry, very mild grassy notes, warming acid, nice tropical fruit, acid diminishes with time

M: Light body, high carbonation, rather acidic but not burning, acid is more harsh than other LA wilds

O: Very good, excellent fruit, strong pineapple, good peach and lemon characters

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Photo of callmemickey
4.5/5  rDev -2.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Had this back to back with Yellow Bus. The Veritas 004 is the better beer.

A: Slightly hazy yellow-orange body. Thin whitish skim on top that stays throughout. Slightest bits of lacing.

S: Clean, popping citric notes with peach, lemons, orange, and dragon fruit taking center stage. Just the slightest hints of funk and must.

T: Like the nose, this is incredible vibrant with lots of fruit in initial sips. The peoch notes are not as assertive as in the nose as lemon-like notes move up a bit.

M: Medium carbonation. Clean, crisp, sour finish. Well-defined and refreshing.

O: Up there amongst the best american wild ales.

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Photo of JAXSON
4.3/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2009 rate.

75cl bottle, big thanks to Matt. Pours a light, hazy peach with a big fluffy head. Initial salty aroma heavy on lactic acid and a really earthy brett. Wow, flavor is awesome, just light-years better than Isabelle I think. Really earthy, musky, and a bit salty. Tons of brett. Has a little bit of that sweaty sock brett element. Really beautiful soft peach/apricot presence in there. I’m not completely crazy about the hollow, salty brett element from the geuze part of the blend. This beer is best drank alongside a plate of feta cheese. It really works through the hard salty element and lets the rich, sour light fruit notes shine.

Update. After having this a few more times, including directly next to Yellow Bus once, and next to Isabelle and Deviation another time, and once a whole bottle before going on a run and getting sick, I can make some better summaries about this. Most similar to Yellow Bus, of course, with a great effervescent quality. Not as singular as YB, more complex, but more salty also. Much better than Isabelle in pretty much every way, deeper complexity, more layers, less annoying acidity. Not on the same level as Deviation. In my opinion even the best Lost Abbey sours are not on the level as the best Russian River sours.

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Photo of Verecund
4.67/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to James for the trade. Opened in July 2011, part of the summer of all-things-good. 750ml into my Lost Abbey tulip.

Yellowed orange-peel, lightly hazed body with a one-finger sunset orange head. Rings of lacing.

Beautiful blend of musty and earthy funk and citric acidity. Expressive funk, but more pleasant on the nose (to me) than DDG - there are hints of peach, pineapple, and white grapes. A touch of maraschino cherry.

Poignant tartness for the first two-thirds of the palate, lactic acidity, and lots of bright peach, citrus and cherry (in that order). The musky funk from the nose is here, but I also pick up a "sweeter" pineapple brett funk which blends perfectly with the fruit. Very little oak, but there is a hint of tannic oak on the finish. An exceptional blend.

Medium-light bodied, very creamy. Very crisp - all of the flavors are expressive, which is impressive given the beer's age.

This beer lived up to my high expectations. One of the best, if not the best, American wild ale(s) I've had.

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Photo of scottfrie
4.05/5  rDev -12.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A huge thank you for sharing this one, Jeff. Poured into Jackie O’s snifter.

A: Pours a lightly hazy lemon-yellow with a thin white head.
S: The nose is full of funky and lightly sour notes of sweat and earthy barnyard funk. There is a bit of ambiguously fruity and herbal notes as well.
T: Fairly complex and earthy tasting with flavors of lemon, peaches, tangerine, sweat, hay and brett. The finish has suggestions of peaches and apricots. Overall, flavors are rather mellow with no one aspect dominating. The sourness isn’t overpowering either, but there is a bite of vinegar, tart lemon zest, and slight acetone.
M: Body is on the thin side of medium. Mouthfeel is tart and clean, and the thin carbonation froths up a bit in my mouth.
O: Really solid all around. I loved DDG, and to a lesser extent CdT, and although I’ve never had YB, I’d say DDG is what this beer tastes the most like to me. I dare say I like a lot of other wilds better (including DDG), but I would never pass up an opportunity to drink this again. A very solid brew.

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Photo of stakem
4.62/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to Kramer for sharing this at a recent tasting.

Poured from a corked and caged 750ml into a mini snifter. This brew appears a clear golden yellow color with a fizzy topping of white head that recedes quickly. It laces on the sides of the glass in a spotty pattern. A swirl revives the head to a lacing across the top of the brew.

The smell of this brew is downright amazing, easily one of the best aromas I've ever smelled in a beer. Even smelling the empty bottle is glorious. I'll try to put a few descriptors here but my words do not do this brew's aroma any justice. It smells of lemony funk with a light rind touch, it's both grassy and earthy with herbal notes that turn to sweet smelling flowers and fruits. The smell of this brew engulfs the nose in a very impressive aroma that is exceptionally pleasing.

The taste of the brew picks up where the aroma left off but with a deeper complexity and layering of funk as the main focus. There is a lemony tartness and acidity upfront that evolves into more of an earthy funked taste with light notes of sulfur through the back. Where the aroma of this brew had a great depth of scents to take in, the taste gets focused on the sourness. As it warms there are faint notes of fruit.

This is a light bodied brew with a lively, moderately high level of carbonation but not overly so. This is tart and very salivating brew that is excessively drinkable. Throughout the entire experience I never got any indication of the listed 8% abv, masterfully hidden. This is something I wish I could drink on a regular basis but I'm very grateful for having the chance to try it once. Thanks again Kramer!

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Photo of Slatetank
4.63/5  rDev 0%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Thanks to KRAMER17801 for bringing this bottle to Stakem's tasting on 4/2/11 -poured chilled into a snifter - the cork came out with a soft *poot*

This was a clear golden like apple juice in the glass with a quick to fall snowy white cap. There is plenty of carbonation visible while the head condenses. The smell has a fragrant floral aroma, w/ strong tart juicy odor. I get some mango and slight lemon esters. The feel is like sweet tarts, first the shock of a sour tinge and is followed up by some semi sweet maltiness, some mild alcohol w/ a mild sour quality throughout. This was surprising as it evolved it has more of sugary tinge in the finish.

So luscious and juicy, the tart lemony astringent aspect, but also intensely sour at certain points. There is a mild bitter element which seems to coincide with the high effervescent feel and alcohol w/ some bitter citrus flesh flavors in the finish. Overall I enjoyed this a lot, incredible puckering and easy to drink 8% abv American Wild. I was happy I actually got to try this.

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Photo of drabmuh
4.47/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle provided by Brad in a side by side with V006, wow, what an experience.

Served in a wine glass because I don't have a Lost Abbey wine glass....yet.

Beer is yellow and completely hazy (I got the bottom so I don't know if that is normal). Thin, nearly absent head, no lacing, moderate to low carbonation.

Beer kind of smells like lemons, grass, oak, mild funk, some acetic, mild lactic in the nose. I like it.

Beer has an odd initial flavor I think. It tastes a lot like lemon peels at first, this gives way to a mild tannic flavor and some vinous notes of grapes and mild acetic brightness. The lactic presence is lower than I expected. The finish is nice too, a very drinkable beer. Thoroughly enjoyed.

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Photo of mdfb79
4.65/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

From 03/19/11 notes. Huge thanks to ygtbsm94 for sharing this one; thanks Brad! Sampled side by side with Veritas 006, served in a tulip.

a - Pours a clear bright yellow-orange color with light carbonation evident and no real carbonation.

s - Smells of sour citrus fruits, lemon, light funk, oak, and some grapefruit. The smell is not overly funky, but a nice level of funk and tart lemon/citrus. Very nice.

t - Tastes of sour fruits, lemon zest, peach, wood/oak, grapfruit, citrus hops, white wine. Again, not too much funk but more sour/tartness than the smell. A step up, pretty amazing taste.

m - Light body and moderate carbonation. Tart up front with a crisp finish.

d - Overall this was an amazing sour; one of the best I've had. It was very different from the 006 but both were amazing. This had more citrus and peach to it, while I found the 006 to have more raspberry and grapes to it. I also found the 006 much for tart, which I really enjoyed. None the less an awesome beer I would love to have again.

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Photo of Kaiser81
4.48/5  rDev -3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Thanks to Jerz for opening this bottle.

A - Hazy/cloudy yellowish-light orangish. There is light head and nice lacing left on my glass.

S - Some funk, lemon, light citrus...very light citrus notes. It's all clear and discernible, nothing overpowering each other, just nice compliments. I'd want my house to smell like this all the time.

T - Definitely tart/lemon notes up front. It gives way to some light funk. It's so simple, but so good. It gives way to a nice smooth/crisp finish.

M - Light body, medium carbonation, and a nice, crisp, clean finish.

D - Can drink a lot of this for a really long time.

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Photo of hooliganlife
4.65/5  rDev +0.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5


served in a lost abbey stemmed glass

pours a slightly orange and hazy yellow. very light carbonation and head. light retention.

scent was a bit subtle. light oak and lemon with a faint bit of citrus. very zesty.

the taste.. moderate sourness. lots of citrus. a very nice complex blend of apricot, peach, lemon, red grape, and light oak. this was a lot more simple than i had expected, yet very perfect as far as sourness to fruit and flavor blend.

nice moderate carbonation, bit of zest on the tongue. nice light dryness with a hint of sweetness. nice sour zing on the tongue to finish this off.

ok.. this is good. is it whale like? hell, yeah. the apricot flavor is in it is just amazing. nothing to overpowering.

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Photo of TurdFurgison
4.71/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Day 2 of the 2010 Thanksgiving day weekend, and time to start pulling out the good stuff. This beer is special, I've been waiting a long time to open it. No batch number on the rear label but it's definitely 004.

On popping the cork there is a nice audible, thankfully no gushing (my experience with LA wild ales has been 50/50 on this to date). The beer pours a hazy orange-gold with a very thin foam.

It smells just about perfect, at least it's exactly what I was hoping it would be. Tart and woody, spicy in a hops way (not in a spice way), with some citrus in the back. As a testament to the many great gueuzes I've recently been exposed to, I'm beginning to get the barrel notes in the aroma, really subdued but nice.

This beer is sublime, just really very delicious. It's tart, bracingly tart, but not painful. Lots of acidic citrus, I'm getting more fruit in the flavor than I'd anticipated. Maybe some grannysmith apple, maybe some over-ripe apricot or peach, wow. I've only had Cable Car once, earlier this year, but Veritas 004 brings that to mind a little. Nice burn in my belly after a few glasses, probably the beginning of an ulcer...

A little thicker than water, and I just realized that this was a little higher ABV than typical wild ales and gueuzes. Starting to feel it a little but what the hell. This is among the best I've had from Lost Abbey. Hope the Veritas 007 I've got is as good as this.

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Photo of beerwolf77
4.69/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Well just when we didn't think it could get any better Jon whips this bad boy out. Thanks times a million Jon. Poured from the bottle into my tasting glass.

A: Golden yellow with a small amount of white head. No lace.

S: Wow! The mix of sweet and sour are what beer geeks dream of. It's loaded with lactic sourness as well as juicy sweet fruits. The funk is fantastic. Not too funky but enough to remind you this beer is "wild".

T: Holy mouth pucker! The lactic sour is strong. Luckily the amount of sweet fruit cuts it after each sip. Peaches, grapes, lemons, green apples. Just a hint of barnyard and wet wood. This is much more sour fruit forward than any of the other wilds I've tried tonight.

M: Light crisp body. Super dry and tongue bruising.

D: I'm sure a full glass of this would be too much. Very complex and delicious but super tart and rich. An absolute pleasure to sample though.

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Photo of drumrboy22
4.57/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Purchased and consumed at Lost Abbey brewery on 10.17.10. Poured from 750mL bottle into a Lost Abbey tulip. Beer was a hazy, golden yellow color, with a very faint, white head. Soft carbonation and no lacing around the glass.

Aroma was grapes, lemons, grains and straw. Smells fantastic.

Taste was grapes, lemons, apples and grains. Super funky, tart and sour.

Dry finish. Amazing beer. I feel fortunate to have tried this one.

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Photo of sweemzander
4.89/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle poured into a tasting glass. Crazy props to John for whipping this out of nowhere on us. Didnt think I would ever try this one. Thank you John!

(A)- Pours a hazy pale yellow color that produced some transparent bubbles and minimal white foam.

(S)- What a wonderful silky and clean funk with a mild earthy hay and lemon peel/tart grape character. A mild spice comes through that turns into a creamy wood/vanilla barrel aspect.

(T)- Quite sour, but has a nice fruit profile of lemon and a peach/pear/chardonnay wine-like thing that has a nice acidic tartness and mildly lactic.

(M)- A crisp carbonation level that just might be a bit too much, but by no means bothersome. It really has a nice balance. A potent sour level, but has really nice fruits and dry hay funk with a very subtle underlying sweetness as well.

(D)- It was an honor to finally try this. It is really quite sour and tart, but has an engaging and dynamic fruit and funk profile. One of the most interesting/dynamic Wilds I have had in awhile.

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Photo of kbutler1
4.45/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle. Pours a really nice straw color with a slight white head. Some barnyard funkiness balanced out with lemon and white grape fruit type aromas. Wine like tastes similar to a good Chardonnay. Sweet up front that transitions to a nice sour/tart. Flavors also included pear, whtie grape, lemon, with a very subtle oakiness as well. Light mouthfeel with a touch of over carbonation. Overall, really nice beer and a top for me.

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Photo of billshmeinke
4.52/5  rDev -2.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Poured into a tulip. Had this at the Lost Abbey Saint's/Sinner's Dinner which was most epic.

A: Bright golden almost neon. Just a tiny film of white head. Dies down to a ring of foam around the glass.

S: I get straw, horse blanket, lemon, and grass. Nice sourness and fruit as well.

T: The taste evokes horse blanket, lemon zest, grass, funk, and grapefruit pulp. Quite tart, and well attenuated.

M: Dry, well carbonated and bubbly. Pretty much perfect for the style.

D: An awesome sour. Really solid in general. I was really grateful to try this one.

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Photo of alcstradamus
4.4/5  rDev -5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to the "King of Beers" Jon for bringing this based on a joke I made about harassing him for a taste. No harassment necessary in the end.

Poured into a 5 oz. taster glass. Not a proper vessel for reviewing appearance, so my rating for this category is adjusted to create an accurate overall score.

Pours a hazy light yellow color. The aroma is tart lemon, nutty, dirty, with lots of white grape notes.

The flavor is very sour and has big notes of lemon zest, oak, pear, and light peach.

The body is too highly carbonated, but that could have been solved by doing a little swirling in the glass.

Overall this is extremely tasty and among a handful of the top American Wild Ale's I've had, but after a night of Belgian craziness this one didn't stack up to the absolute top of the sour food chain (it was knocking on the door)

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Photo of wagenvolks
4.56/5  rDev -1.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

The magnanimous xpimptasticx busted out this bottle at a recent tasting. Extremely grateful for getting to try this beer.

Veritas 004 shows almost no head at first, but swirling the tulip eventually builds a few wisps of taupe foam. The body is a hazed goldenrod hue. My mouth puckers just from the aroma--never had that happen before. Insanely tart notes of lemon zest, white grape rinds, and dry oak barrels. Funk & sourness rolled into one...

Each sip tastes like pieces of lemon peel coated in a Shock-Tart shell. Super sour, with acetic acid and tannic wood drying out the finish. Delicious stuff! Body is thin and light on the palate with just the right amount of carbonation. So incredibly tart; for me, the only comparable wild ale is Batch 2 Beatification (in terms of sheer sourness). My enamel is all but gone, and for that, I must again thank Michael (xpimptasticx). Fantastic beer.

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Photo of Jmoore50
4.92/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

This has been one of those beers that I thought I would never get to try. I know what Lost Abbey is capable of, but this is an outstanding Wild Ale that was very impressive.

The cork pops open and an amazing smell fills the room. I aggressively pour the beer into an Anderson Valley tulip. The beer is a beautiful golden color. It creates a snow white head two finger head that eventually disappears, but leaves a collar around the glass. It has an incredibly oily consistency that leaves wine-like legs on the sides of the glass.

The smell is perfect. This beer being over two years old and still holding all of these fresh fruit smells and tastes is amazing. Ripe peaches with sour green apples, lemon rind and funk. Great notes of oak with tart grapefruit.

This is such a complex beer that has so many different layers of flavor. Like I said about the smell, the fresh fruit is still so strong that it makes me wonder what this beer was like fresh. Peaches is such a strong fruit in this as well as green apples, pineapple, and tart lemon rind. The sourness on this is superb with a great lactic flavor.

The acidity on this tore my palate to pieces, and it did even worse on my stomach. It was incredibly tart with a great oily body that coated my entire mouth. It has a great carbonation that works well with the flavors. The acidity burned going down my throat and was like a bomb in my stomach. I was pleasantly surprised by this beer, I wish I had a few more bottles of this. After trying this beer I now REALLY want to try Yellow Bus. Bravo to Lost Abbey. When they do it right, they knock it out of the park.

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Photo of davod23
4.94/5  rDev +6.7%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

I feel so privileged to get a chance to drink this fine beer. Thanks, Jason.

Pour is fairly nondescript. A billowing white cap on top of a hazy, yellow body. Orange highlights are evident. The head dissipates to nothing in virtually no time flat.

Aroma. Hot damn. Peaches and tropical fruits (mango, pineapple), lactic sourness, funk. The aroma is absolutely intoxicating.

Not the sourest beer I've had, but it's in the conversation. Big sour peach, tangy, long lasting finish that lingers on the tongue. I'm glad to see that the couple years in the bottle hasn't obliterated the fruit component of this beer... I wonder how it (or if it) could have been better than it is now.

Mouthfeel is perfect. No two ways about it. Medium bodied, vigorous but not overbearing carbonation. Simultaneously dry and a tiny bit sticky-ish on the finish.

Drinkability is just off the charts. I could polish a whole bottle off myself in no time flat. I just have to be patient with this... take my time... because I just don't see myself getting another chance at trying this beer.

Damn you, Tomme. Brew this again. Seriously. It's practically criminal that this could be a one-off. I was concerned that the accolades around this beer have given me unrealistic expectations and I was bound to be disappointed... nope. Not even close. Whew.

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Veritas 004 from The Lost Abbey
Beer rating: 4.63 out of 5 with 153 ratings
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