Veritas 005
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Style:
Wild Ale
ABV:
8%
Score:
99
Avg:
4.71 | pDev: 4.46%
Reviews:
24
Ratings:
40
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craytonic from District of Columbia

4.6/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Consumed 8/5/10, 750ml bottle that was not easy to get ahold of

Appearance: Opens with a nice pop, pours with a several inch pink head. Nice royal purple / ruby color. Beautiful beer.

Smell: Very tasty; sour and tart, oak and wet leather, faint horse blanket with some raspberries and lemon. I am not familiar with the grape varietal, but it is distinct and noticeable. This is one of the few american beers that could compete with Cantillon.

Taste: Near perfect, sour and tart followed by a large oak presence, wet leather, and the grapes. Very tannic.

Mouthfeel: Very drier, drier than the rest of the Veritas series. Carbonation might be a bit aggressive.

Drinkability: Off the charts.

I have tried 001-007, this is probably top three.

Aug 06, 2010
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SpeedwayJim from New York

4.72/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

HUGE thanks to Mikey711 for providing this one. I never thought I'd see a bottle, much less get to taste it. Opened 5/29/10. 4oz. pour from a 750ml corked and caged bottle into a snifter. Reviewed from notes.

A: Pours a .5 finger semi-coarse white head that dissipates quickly. Beer is a stunning, clear amber. Lacing is near non-existant with a bit of stringyness for a little tease.

S: Big and bold raspberry notes upfront. Funky, and slightly yeasty. Tartness in the back is detectable but is covered for the most part by a grape peel sweetness.

T: Light grape presence upfront. Vinous and tart. Sweetness grows though the tartness never really fades. Spicy in the middle from ample carbonation. Raspberries, grape, and lemon. Woodiness in the background. Finishes with a slight tartness and a messy aftertaste of lemon and grape peel.

M: Light bodied and highly carbonated. Rough around the edges and jumps in the mouth. Perfect for the style. Dry and saliva-enducing. Finishes messy but with such a pleasant aftertaste that I don't mind at all.

D: Amazing. From the appearance, to the smell, to the taste and feel, this beer comes together wonderfully in every aspect. Complex yet clean and simple at the same time, I thoroughly enjoyed every drop of this mythical nectar. Don't pass this one up if you ever get a chance.

May 30, 2010
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drabmuh from Maryland

4.47/5  rDev -5.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Richard. Another whale slayed, served in a Lost Abbey Teku glass, it's called dominance, look it up.

Beer is reddish and hazy with a lazy white head of small bubbles, low retention, moderate carbonation, and some very spotty lacing, looks good.

Aroma is vinous and grapey with a nice lactic / acetic / citric bite to it. Very fruity, hints of funk and oak.

Beer is light in body, effervescent but not overly so, a nice beer, one of the best out of the line up (001 - 010). Fruity and tart on the corners, white wine and grapes with a nice body and a good not too dry finish. Moderately sour, bright on the palate from carbonic and mild acetic acid. I'd have it again.

Another whale slayed. Thanks!

Apr 19, 2012
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whartontallboy from New York

5/5  rDev +6.2%

Nov 14, 2011
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ygtbsm94 from Utah

4.5/5  rDev -4.5%

Apr 16, 2012
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HopHead84 from California

4.92/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I suppose Veritas 005 is fitting for review #500. Consumed on 11/15/2009 at O'Brien's Lost Abbey rare bottle tasting amidst a Veritas 001-006 vertical at the tail end of the first San Diego Beer Week. Veritas 005 is described as an experimental batch (6 cases) that features wild native Southern California grapes (Vitis Girdianas) and a sour base beer (sour Avant Garde?). Veritas 005 is the same beer as Veritas 005 Vino. The beer appears a beautiful pinkish reddish purple. I can't say that I've ever before seen a beer of this color. The head is fizzy and white. Great clarity and color.

The nose is dusty grape skins with wet leather character and a distinct funk reminiscent of barnyard and wet horse blanket. The grapes are vibrant, and I detect a little plum. The nose has an earthy character with noticeable wood and tannins. It's similar to St. Lamvinus, but with a more potent wild grape aroma.

The flavor is excellent, with vibrant grape notes interspersed among musty barnyard funk. The beer has a subtle lactic character to it, and wet leather, goaty, and subtle cheese notes are evident. The most prominent fruit is apparently grape, but I think more specifically tart grape skins. Wood and tannins provide a drying finish, with a mouth watering succulent grape tartness. Outstanding.

The mouthfeel is dry with an almost numbing tannic quality. I think this gives 004 a run for its money as the best in the Veritas series. I really hope to see something similar recreated in the future. Highly recommended.

Nov 16, 2009
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yourefragile from District of Columbia

4.67/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Review 1000, by (mostly) accident. Sampled alongside Veritas 001 through 010 at our sour death march. Thanks to Matt, Matt, Matt, Dan, Paul, Daryl, Ben, Mike and Mike for making this happen. Oh, almost forgot Richard.

Pours a murky, ruby pink color with wispy, quickly dissipating white head. Aroma has a slight oak and fruit sweetness throughout. Red wine and grape acidity dominates with mild tartness. Flavor is vinous and sour, remarkable red grape fruit and tartness with a slight cherry-like essence and oak flavor through the finish. Tannic, medium body, very dry, with fine moderate carbonation and a long lasting finish. Not quite my favorite of our special tasting, but remarkable regardless of its rarity. Boom.

Apr 19, 2012
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MasterSki from Canada

4.89/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A huge thanks to Sean for sharing a beer I'd assumed I'd never get to try. Served in an Alvinne snifter.

A - Quick-dissolving white foam settles to a thin ring of bubbles. Transparent ruby red body with some amber highlights to it. Small streams of quick-moving bubbles are visible.

S - Musky grapes, light oak, huge vinous character, and very Belgian "green" funk in the Drie Fonteinen tradition. Some mild acetic acid and fruity sweetness. Surprisingly lambic-like, and not very "American" at all.

T - Tart grape skins and sour acetic notes - more than the aroma implies but still well-balanced. Largely vinous, but with a hefty dose of earthy funk, hint of leather (a la Don Quijote), and only mild oak presence. This is possibly the most "Belgian" American Wild Ale I've had, and that is meant in the most complimentary way.

M - Pleasant medium-low carbonation, medium-full body, light stickiness, and a lightly dry finish with some tannins present as well. A bit heavy considering the extremely lambic-like taste, but otherwise very pleasant.

D - This is pretty much reference quality for the style. Short of a bit more dryness, spritz, and foam, I can't think of any way to improve this beer. The light oak presence and restrained acidity makes this feel more like something Armand would make than a typical Tomme beer. I think this is the crowning achievement of the Veritas series, and ample proof that American sours are catching up to their Belgian counterparts.

Jul 31, 2011
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t0rin0 from California

4.5/5  rDev -4.5%

Dec 12, 2012
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DefenCorps from Oregon

4.67/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I expected to cross paths with this beer, but never in the fashion that I did. Thank you, Tomme.

Like a dark rose, this is red with no head or no lacing. I like the color here. The nose is surprisingly mellow. Bright with sour grapes, rather wild and moderately tannic. As it warms up, I get some peppery aromas with a mildly musky grape aroma (not as musky as a Concord grape, but muskier than your regular table grapes). Moderately lemony base beer sourness is present too.

The palate opens super sour but the grape character that is a counterpoint to it is just outstanding. Rich, deep with notes of chocolate, cocoa, raspberry jam, rhubarb tartness, this is very good. The fruity tartness and the grape character is singular. A little bit of a seedy tannin character is present, I wonder if that's because there were seeds in the grapes, or due to stems? I don't know. Medium-light in body, medium-light in carbonation with a great finish that's got a blend of lemony and lactic sourness and wild grapes, this is an exceptional sour, and despite the fairly high sourness, this is exceptionally drinkable.

Jul 02, 2012
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treyrab from California

4.75/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

Catching up on some of my reviews. Will start with the most memorable. Opened at an epic tasting last summer - Can't remember who provided this, there were too many wales being opened by too many people.

A: Poured a clear ruby red color (very vibrant, glowing red) that reminded me of some of the great Krieks of the world. Low carbonation (not flat by any means, just enough to leave a small spritzy head, that soon vanished).

S: We had Cantillon Don Quijote right before this. And to my surprise, they had similar qualities. Funky, cheesy, gym socks, and rick, lucious grapes/cherries. Ripe red cherries and vinous sour grapes.

T: About as close to a Belgian sour I have ever had. Blind-folded, I would not have guessed this was an American Wild. Incredibly funky, musty, damp basement, sour cherry, sour grapes. Very juicy and fruity.

Overall, just spectacular!

Jun 25, 2013
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Huhzubendah from District of Columbia

4.67/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Consumed with all ten Veritas beers on April 14, 2012. This long sought after brew was graciously shared by GRG1313. Thank you so much, Richard.

The beer is a beautiful ruby hue with a light haze. The small head dissipates within a few minutes. Fantastic aroma of grapes, wine, oak. The flavor is outstanding as well. Elegant and light. Grapes shine through brilliantly. A pleasant acetic finish with lingering tart grape juice. A superb feel. I'm so grateful for the opportunity to try this. Along with 004 & 006, this is one of my favorites from the ten Veritas beers.

Apr 22, 2012
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Ineedabeerhere from Massachusetts

4.65/5  rDev -1.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Wow, another one. Just ridiculous that I got to try this non existent beer, many thanks. From notes.

Pours a brilliant bursting cherry red with some light foam of pinkish hue.

Aroma is, wow. So much funkier than I would have expected. Cheesy qualities. Feet. It smells like feet.... that might have athletes foot. Wet wood and a great fruit burst of grape flavor. Its just generally very 'wild' and 'untamed' smelling.

Taste is very vinous, berries, grapes. Sharp acidity, same expressive funk character here, though in a lesser capacity. Great tannin presence, contributing to the excellently dry, nearly leathery finish.

Excellent mouthfeel, well carbonated but not overly spritzery. Just a very nice beer, and a true shame that it was produced in such limited quantities.

Jun 16, 2010
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mikey711 from New Jersey

4.83/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Never thought i would get to try this one beer because this beer doesnt exist.

A: It pours with a champagne like carbonation. its a reddish pink, very much like cranberry juice, very nice clarity and a bit of a ring around the top.

S: This is just straight up funk. there is some cheesiness and plenty of wood tannins. The grapes are very pleasant adding some tartness.

T: Its very acidic with a lot of wine like tannins. quite dry and plenty of tart grapes. Loads of funkiness. This is one of the funkiness beers I have ever had. Very nice wood notes as well

M: A little bit of prickly carbonation which I liked and some acidity. Very dry and champagne like. Extremely easy to drink for a sour especially

D: I enjoyed this during a partial veritas veritcal and found this to be my favorite of the bunch and in fact, the overall funkiness of this was incredible and one of the most enjoyable sours I have ever had

May 29, 2010
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spycow from Illinois

5/5  rDev +6.2%

Nov 27, 2011
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koopa from New Jersey

4.6/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

The elusive 005 bottle was traded to me by an awesome RB guy. Caged and corked 750ml makes a medium carbonation pop sound when opened and poured into a Flute.

Appearance: Pours the color of canned cranberry sauce (red / purple) with slightly lighter folds and a 1 finger white crown that displays moderate retention as well as little lace.

Smell: Grape juice, sour berries, lactic goodness, nice amount of horseblanket / feet funk, and a bit of cheese. Very well balanced.

Taste: Same as the nose but not as much complexity or depth. Good amount of tartness and grape juice flavor with less of the funk coming through. As it warms I start getting notes of strawberry.

Mouthfeel: Very dry, light side of medium bodied, with formidable carbonation. I'd score it higher if the carbonation was a bit softer.

Drinkability: Addictive.

Nov 11, 2010
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BucketBoy from Pennsylvania

4.51/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle courtesy of me, with help from ShadesOfGray, treyrab, and NittanyBeerFan. Huge thanks for the assist to cpferris, and to HopHead 84 for making the final connection happen.

L - The most beautiful hue of ruby red glistens in my Thomas Hardy's snifter, in the sunshine on Ryan's patio. 3 mm ring of mascarpone foam around the edge of the glass, I can't imagine a more spectacularly colored sour.

S - Tart acetic acid mingles with vinous red grape and a touch of raw zinc flavor and short circuit mineral. Some balsawood and red wine vinegar in the finish. Quite nice!

T - What a lovely tart vinous grape beer, quite sour, with a zinc mineral mid-palate, olive juice earthiness, perhaps some sharp green apple acidity and crab apple blossoms.

M - Bright lively carbonation on the front and mid palate finished with a nice just-tannic finish that brushes the palate with flavor. Really fills the mouth and lingers for ages.

O - thanks again to everyone above for hooking this up. A real treat, more sour than I expected and one I look forward to revisiting.

Mar 17, 2012
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womencantsail from California

4.42/5  rDev -6.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks, Richard!

Pours a murky reddish pink color with a small head. Sour fruit is the first thing to hit the nose. Lots of grape, wood, and quite a strong lactic acidity. A little bit of raspberry and red fruit flavor. Nicely sour with some grapes and plenty of oak. Some red wine and lactic acidity, too. Medium bodied and medium carbonation. Wales.

Nov 21, 2011
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vacax from California

5/5  rDev +6.2%

Nov 15, 2011
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jerz from California

5/5  rDev +6.2%

Nov 16, 2011
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Thorpe429 from Illinois

4.52/5  rDev -4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle at the DC Lambic & Sour Tasting on April 14, 2012 as part of a full Veritas set, 001-010. Served in a Lost Abbey Teku.

Unbelievable amount of thank yous go out to Richard for coming all the way from LA with this bottle to complete the series.

Pours an amber-red with a small light tan head that recedes fairly quickly into a collar, leaving a few spots of lacing on the sides of the glass.

The nose has some nice, dark, and earthy fruits followed up with a brisk acidity full of red grapes and wine. Touch of oak in the background with some funk following everything up.

The flavor is equally as complex. It's not on the level of Cantillon's Don Quijote, but it's certainly up there as one of the best damn grape-based sours that I've had. Long duration of the flavor fills the palate with a fairly-heavy acidity and moderate funk.

Body is medium and just a bit chewy with average carbonation. Finish is quite dry and acidic. Touch of tannin and wood, with an acidic grape character throughout.

A marvelous creation that I was thrilled to finally try. It wasn't quite the best beer of the tasting, but it was up there, and likely the best American-made beer we had.

Apr 19, 2012
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martinemde from California

4.87/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Tomme had a great story about Veritas 005 that he shared with us at our Veritas vertical at O'Brien's. It was the last day of San Diego Beer Week and the last event for O'Brien's and for Lost Abbey.

We were each poured about 4oz's of the red/purple tinted ale as the story was relayed to us. A man came into the brewery suggesting they make a beer using some wild grapes that were growing in his son's yard. Lost Abbey agreed and when time came for delivery, they awaited their truck load of grapes.

The man walked in, there was no truck. He carried with him two 5 gallon buckets of the wild Cabernet Franc grapes. If there was any question why only 72 bottles were made, this laid it to rest.

The tart nose of 005 is noticeable immediately. From the aroma you would assume you're getting a tart, yet sweet beer.

The flavor is fairly complex. Sour fruits and grape skin tartness with a medium dry finish. Very little of the body that is present at first taste remains and there is no sticky or sweet remnants. This is a beer you could drink all night and enjoy every sip like it was the first.

I wish this beer wasn't so rare, though there is hope. Tomme said that they may be in contact with another producer of cab franc grapes and they'll be experimenting with this style again. Just a week ago, though he gave no indication of what they might become, another 2 buckets of California wild cab franc grapes arrived at Lost Abbey.

Nov 17, 2009
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pperez38 from California

5/5  rDev +6.2%

Dec 13, 2011
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GRG1313 from California

4.75/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75

Nov 25, 2011
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Sean9689 from Illinois

4.92/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

I pulled this one out of the cellar after a long time coming. 750ml C&C bottle into mini-snifter. Shared with the crew.

A - Pours bright neon red, seriously a beautiful color, white head, some bubbles here and there, and a thin collar. I could easily pick this beer out with the red hue it gives off, wow!

S - Red wine/grape, huge sour/tart note, oak, grape skins. This has everything you'd want in a world-class our. Excellent tartness, nice oak, wonderful fruity sourness. More 3F or Cantillon then anything from the US...(this is huge compliment).

T - Phenomenal tart/sour, red wine, oak, grape skins, funk, barnyard, musty notes. Again, more lambic-esque then anything I've ever had from a US brewery. Just.Simply.Awesome.

M - Body is light, good carbonation, super dry finish.

O - I never thought another Veritas would be able to top 004 and I was proven wrong with 005. Worth all the wait, hype, and tears I shed when this bottle was opened. Glad I could share with good friends who seemed to enjoy this as much as me. Doubt I'll ever have the chance again, unless Tomme does a Veritas vertical tasting in the future. Mind-blowingly-good.

Aug 01, 2011
Veritas 005 from The Lost Abbey
Beer rating: 99 out of 100 with 40 ratings