Veritas 009 | The Lost Abbey

Veritas 009Veritas 009
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Veritas 009Veritas 009

Brewed by:
The Lost Abbey
California, United States

Style: American Wild Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 8.00%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
No notes at this time.

Added by HopHead84 on 05-28-2011

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Photo of Thorpe429
4.6/5  rDev +22%
look: 2.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Bottle consumed as a precursor to the barrel-aged barleywine tasting at a preview of Terry's beers at the Farmers Cabinet facility in Alexandria.

Disclaimer: this beer was initially flat, and I subsequently force-carbed it to a low level. Given the interaction of things in the mouthfeel, I don't think the carbonation was really necessary or added much.

Pours a murky dark brown color with a garnet hue. No real head other than a few tan bubbles that popped up and fell almost instantaneously.

The nose starts things off right with notes of chocolate and a bit of dark malt. Atop that were strong notes of cherry, red wine, and oak. Pretty good acidity with a very mild acetic character. The flavor was intense, to say the least. Really delicious with the dark malt and fruits combining with bright cherries and brisk acidity. Red wine and oak really round things out. Some acetic character as it warms up.

Mouthfeel is really fantastic. Not something I would have imagined myself for a sour, but it worked quite well. Strong acidity with a thick, chewy base that neared stout levels. Dry and tannic. Long finish. Very low carbonation.

Incredibly complex and well made. Not sure if the low carbonation was intentional, but I think it worked quite well.

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Photo of AleWatcher
3.97/5  rDev +5.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reviewed from notes dictated into voice notes on my iphone.
Shared by funkyaudio at a tasting-- thanks Jim!

This is really dark in color. Looks pretty black when viewed straight ahead, but reddish brown in the legs and on the edges. Looks like it has very low carbonation, but come on-- I'm sure it was intended to be that way, right? It probably drinks like a fine red wine! Actually I like lost abbey.

This actually works pretty well. Nose has sweet caramel, toffee and molasses with a little tangy quality. Very nicely soured. Respectable and delicious.

Really dry finish with notes of dehydrated plums or something? a little bitterness on the back end too. It comes off well though. It's like slightly bitter, really dry, and then very cheek-tugging sour. The low carbonation really doesn't hurt in my opinion.

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Photo of callmemickey
3.32/5  rDev -11.9%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

A: Deep brown-black body. No carbonation, lack of anything resembling a head. Rather uninviting.

S: A lot is going on here in the nose, but I am not sure how successful the complexity really is. Chocolate, vanilla, subtle cherries, vinous notes and oak. Just a bit all over the place.

T: Like the nose, there is a hell of a lot here... not particularly bad, I just didn't think it was working. Not particularly sour... slight notes of oxidization-like sherry.

M: Flat. A bit oily on the palate. Weak finish. Not a particularly enjoyable overall impression.

O: Chalk me up as one of those people that just doesn't get this beer. I've enjoyed a fair number of flat lost abbey beers, but this one couldn't make up for it.

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Photo of jimjim123
4.94/5  rDev +31%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big dark marroon pour with a thin, slightly amber ring of lacy head. Aroma of dark chocolate, sour, sour cherries, French oak, toffee, brown sugar, very subduded roasty, spicy notes and amazing lactic notes. Flavors of pure bourbon, red wine, slight rust, dark chcocolate flavored cherries, and heavy sour plum hints. Full, silky, almost sticky and chewy mouthfeel. Starts out very soft and smooth, transitions to a sweet, Belgian dark ale, and fades out with a torrential wash of sour in the finish. This is truly a special, dark, lecherous lethal and seductive beer. If you get chance to try this beer. I highly recommend it.

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Photo of trappistlover
3.94/5  rDev +4.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

(750ml bottle shared by Dak!). Pours dark brown with a slight tan head. No carbonation. Aroma has booze, fruit, wood, berries and balsamic. Taste is sweet and tart (balsamic again). Very wine-like. Medium bodied with a sticky texture. Dry finish. A unique beer that works well even without the carbonation.

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Photo of KrautAficionado
5/5  rDev +32.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

pours a dark dark brown with minimal thin brown head and sporadic lacing if any. Aromas of brown sugar, bourbon, cheese, sour funky lactic notes, toffee, cinnamon, cherry, vanilla and syrah. Taste is sour cherries with notes of angels share grand cru including bourbon, cherry, balsemic, french red wine, teriyaki pemican, funky cheddar, brown sugar, finishes with a mollasses, and ultra mouth watering kriek funkiness even with a little roasted cocconut. This is one of the best aged sours I have had to date and just as good as 001. Absolutely Amazing beer and the best veritas batch in a long time.

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Photo of mikey711
2.32/5  rDev -38.5%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.5

This beer was a major disappointment for me. Lookswise it was deep brown, near black and very murky. It also had no carbonation. THe nose was interesting because both the wine barrel and bourbon barrel aging could be detected. there was a ton of oak and some fruitiness as well. However, something felt off to me in the execution and all of the flavors were a bit too overwhelming when i tasted it. There was a very strong astringent and vinegar component, an overpowering level of oak and vanilla, and just a messy and confused flavor profile. This is easily one of the biggest disappointments i have had for a beer, the flavors were trying to compete with each other and in the end made this nearly undrinkable. The person I shared the bottle with agreed and we could not get through the whole bottle.

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Photo of Wantbeer
3.61/5  rDev -4.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75

Shared the bottle with beerbeer101. Pours a very thick and dark brown with next to no head and little to no carbonation. . The smell is of deep red wine, cherry, sour and Lil funk. The taste hits the spot immediately. Malt right after the first sip with loads of grape, cherry and dark fruit to follow. A very nice pucker but doesn’t make you squint with sourness. The barrel comes through but very little bourbon. Overall this is an outstanding beer and probably my favorite LA beer to date. Yes, the carbonation is light but does not detract from the overall enjoyment of the beer.

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Photo of Beerbeer101
3.62/5  rDev -4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a dark brown, almost black with no head. Looks very thick.

Aroma: Blackberry, chocolate, port wine

Taste: Big wood tannins and wine notes, sour berries, chocolate, wood, alcohol, dark fruit.

Mouthfeel: Full bodied, thick as suspected, modest carbonation.

Overall: Amazing, complex, sour and decadent at the same time! extremely tasty.

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Photo of Urbancaver
4.42/5  rDev +17.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pours a very dark brown. No carbonation whatsoever. A nice halo of tan around the rim. Smells phenomenal. Vanilla, oak, a tart undertone. Awesome aroma. Tastes nicely tart. There is a light fruitiness coupled with some subtle vanilla. Overall, smoothl thick, not really any carbonation which works nicely for the beer. A fantastic brew

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Photo of FosterJM
4.08/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 2 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

582nd Review on BA
Bottle to Angels Sinners Glass
750ML C/C

Split with GuruDel

App- Welp, I thought I would actually be the one to type it had bubbles. It didn't. It was like a darker cranberry juice. The bottle had a nice pop though when I opened it. So that was good.

Smell- On the nose it's very red wine to me. It's a bit sour and deep. Has a lot of grape, cherry, sweet, savory. Very complex aromatics.

Taste- I said it after a 3oz taster, Ill say it again. It's like Unicorn tears. I dont know what Unicorn tears taste like but I think its this. Its awkward, its balanced, its sour, its strong. Its a bit confusing to me to discribe. Its a bit Framboise, Ad-lib, older all rolled into one.

Mouth- A bit thin but medium bodied. No carbonation but leaves some nice soured fruits

Drink- Its's hard to describe this one. Big, sour, strong. I loved it on the taste but the nose and appearance bring it down for me. Ill try to have it again.

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Photo of GuruDel
4.01/5  rDev +6.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Silence as the cork popped out, pour yeileded no head, flat. That seems to be the only downside to this beer. Now onto the good stuff. The nose is an amazing red wine, cherry, oak, vanilla smell. Which was really odd for an almost pitch blackish brown pour. I was confused. The taste is more inline with the nose, wonderful red wine, sour cherry and a great tartness. Mouthfeel to me was ok, i didnt miss the carbonation as much as others, but I wonder what it would have done to release more flavor if it had some bubbles.

Overall this beer is amazing, I would be happy to drink again and big thanks go out to FosterJM for splitting his bottle with me.

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Photo of scottfrie
3.64/5  rDev -3.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Sample poured by the generous womencantsail. Thanks Andrew!

A: Silent cork, no head, very little carbonation. Liquid is an extremely dark raisin brown.
S: Interesting notes of tart cherries, vanilla, oak, slight bourbon, plastic and an all-around tartness.
T: There is light tartness with flavors of cherry pits and skins, musty wood, slight plastic, and bourbon. Finish is vinous, a bit salty, with a touch of vinegar.
M: Body is on the lighter side of medium and extremely dry. There are a few bubbles, but the carbonation is very disappointing (although not surprising).
O: Definitley wouldn’t want to drink a lot of this in one sitting, but the flavors were interesting and worth a try. Thanks again for sharing, Andrew.

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Photo of womencantsail
3.86/5  rDev +2.4%
look: 2 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4

Thanks to Bobby for helping me out since I couldn't go to the release. Shared at the BA BA tasting.

A: Not a sound as the cork comes out. Pours pitch black and completely flat. This gets a 2.0 because it's a pretty big fuck you to not carbonate a $35 bottle.

S: Smells pretty decent, though. Rich bourbon and vanilla aromas with plenty of oak. Lots of cherries to and a bit of red wine. There is a slight metallic note on the back end.

T: Really an intense cherry and bourbon flavor to this. Nice vanilla and chocolate notes along with the oak and barrel. A surprising amount of red wine and fruits, just a little bit of roast.

M: Medium in body, but completely flat. Bah.

O: This was pretty solid, but very unfortunate that it was totally flat.

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Photo of ottovon
4.29/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 4.5

shared by phelps at a tasting.

A: a dark opaque brown, ruby on the edges. almost no head, or carb that i can see.

S: a nice aroma. bourbon, cherries. i get some chocolate and a little oak. there is a bit of acidic tartness and strawberries.

T: a nice acid and tartness. some chocolate and a bit of bourbon. i get a nice red wine flavor and some cherry. a bit of roasted malt and some bread. there is some oak and vanilla and a bit of char.

M: a medium body with no carb.

O: a great offering. the only thing missing in this beer is carbonation. i would have rated the mouthfeel and overall higher had it had carbonation.

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Photo of MasterSki
4.44/5  rDev +17.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Big thanks to Sean for sharing this on a random Sunday night. Served in a Jester King snifter.

A - Pours still. Dark brown-red body that is a little lighter and slightly translucent at the fringes. Not much to look at, as even the color isn't too attractive.

S - Charred oak, cherries, smoke, light toasted coconut, and faint bourbon. As it warms up there is more dark chocolate and increasingly vinous oak , as well as some light alcohol.

T - Taste is far more on the cherry and red wine side of things, with significant cherry tartness and acidity, as well as red wine elements - dark fruits, tart appleskins, and berries. Far less bourbon character than the nose.

M - Tannic, full-bodied, with some definite alcohol warmth, although nowhere near the rumored 12%. Obviously there is no appreciable carbonation. In any case, it's largely appropriate for the flavor profile.

D - Like a fine red wine. Seriously this is the most Cabernet-like beer I've ever encountered. A far more successful experiment than Veritas 008, and that's the point of this series right? In any case, looking forward to having this one again down the road.

I opened a bottle of this a few weeks later and it was actually carbonated - thin white foam that left spotty lace and settled to a thin ring of bubbles. Still not a good-looking beer, but worthy of a small score bump.

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Photo of AgentZero
4.43/5  rDev +17.5%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

Another majorly hyped California beer that jumped up the charts. Never saw that coming. Ah dammit. This beer is #$&%ing amazing. Thanks to Sean for breaking this out.

A - Pours flat, black, lifeless. Nothing else.

S - I had no idea what to initially make of this, I was expecting more of a stout. Bourbon, brandy, wine, vanilla, chocolate, oak, berries, fruit. So much going on, amazing what you can pick out of this one.

T - Big wine and chocolate tartness, which is a very different and great combination. There is traces of barrel, bourbon, brandy, little coffee, some sweet berries. I've never had anything quite like this, more comparable to rich bottles of wine than anything else.

M - Full, smooth, the low carbonation (non-existent) actually works.

O - This beer is an experience. One of the most unique brews I've had, and one that works amazingly. Props to Mr. Arthur for being innovative and putting something out like nothing we've had before.

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Photo of NittanyBeerFan
2.21/5  rDev -41.4%
look: 1.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Thanks to shadesofgray for sharing this highly touted rarity! Poured into a tasting glass...

Completely flat. Granted, the color is nice, coming in at a deeply opaque brown, bordering on black. There are some lighter brown notes around the edges. A swirl kicks up some oily looking liquid onto the sides of the glass, but not much lacing to show for it, nor does it elicit any foam to come forth from the beer.

The aroma is complex, with toffee, chocolate, some oaky vanilla, brandied cherries, and some sweet sherry notes. The funk is subdued, and a sourness is present, but I find it significantly less lactic and more pedio-based. There is a touch of buttery aroma in there, too, leading me to believe that there is a touch of diacetyl. The flavor is similar, with the diacetyl a bit more evident. Luckily, the complexity of the flavors takes some of the focus off the flaw. The toffee, chocolate, and brandied cherries come through again, here, and they are complemented by raisins and dates in a deep dark fruity medley. Red vinous notes reminiscent of Cabernet grapes also come through. Again, there seems to be very little lactic character to the sourness, as the pedio again is the main contributor. All of the flavors kind of muddle together. Unimpressed...just too many flaws here.

Despite the uninspiring carbonation in the appearance, there is a slight tingle. Looking at it now that I have tasted it, the thicker texture and sweeter notes of this beer really do lend themselves to a lower carbonation level. Overall, I don't think this is very good at all. The flavors really don't blend very nicely. While the sherry and red wine notes work well with the bourbon barrels, a barrel-aged turd is still a turd.

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Photo of Verecund
1.75/5  rDev -53.6%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 1.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 1.75

Opened on June 10th, 2011, the eve of an important day. Thanks to a local for this trade.

Pours between wine (the color) and garnet – a dark, almost grayed brown with hints of dark red about the edges – with no carbonation whatsoever. I know there’s a thin line between low carbonation and being flat, but this is flat.

The aroma is massive and almost disorderly, though appetizing. Lots of dark cherry, tobacco, a vinous tartness, and light bourbon. The one flaw for me is an almost rotten fruit smell that comes through as it approaches room temperature.

Vinous oak, sour cherries, a wonderful mess of sweet barrel notes (e.g., caramel, vanilla) and chocolate, (tart) blackberries, light bourbon, butter, and a good bit - in fact, likely too much - of vinegar. It’s a bit of a hot mess, but age has [assumedly] mellowed this one nicely and the flavors really do complement one another. Just a huge, rich old ale/sour hybrid.

Unfortunately, this could use just a touch of carbonation. The flatness actually works okay given the enormity of the flavor profile, but a touch of bubbles (which others have noted, so maybe I’ll get lucky with another bottle) would work wonders here. Tart, oily, tannic, and appropriately dry on the finish.

This is an interesting beer, unlike any I’ve had, though it has a few flaws to my palate (rotten fruit on the nose, a decent bit of vinegar, and lack of carbonation). I anticipate trying this again in the future. With a little carbonation, this could warrant a higher rating.

EDIT: Upon second and third samplings, my lukewarm enjoyment of this beer has turned into complete disgust. The third bottle was a balsamic vinegar, soy, and rotten prune bomb. Lowered from 3.38 to 1.73.

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Photo of Sean9689
4.38/5  rDev +16.2%
look: 2.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Jason, thanks! Poured into Darkness tulip.

A - Pours black, flat, small bottles along the edge of the glass.

S - Bourbon, big red wine cab notes, nice tartness, chocolate, oak, slight alcohol booze. Possibly one of the most complex beers I've ever had the pleasure of smelling. If took a sniff and closed my eyes, I swear I'm drinking a Shiraz or big Napa Cabernet with a little extra tartness.

T - Huge red wine cabernet note, big tartness, very tannic, slight chocolate, chalky. The wine really takes over on the palate and turns this "beer" into more of a hybrid beer/wine of some sort. The tart notes are wonderful and it's easy to pick out the tannins from the wine barrels, amazing! The chocolate and bourbon are much more subtle, but still very much there.

M - Full, rich, no carbonation, and drinks very much like a red wine with a dry tannic finish.

O - I can't say I've ever had a beer similar to this. Simply amazing! The complexity of this beer might be unmatched by anything else I've had. Being a wine lover, this beer is def one of my favorites. If you don't like wine all that much, I can see them not caring for it as much as I did. One of the best, IMO.

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Photo of mikesgroove
4.97/5  rDev +31.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

its my bday so i bring out the big guns opened this one on friday night to obliterate myself. this was quite simply one of the best beers i have ever drank. a sublime mix of everything i love about beer all rolled into one.

pours a lovely dark brown, nearly black with a fluffy tan head that caps the top of the glass nicely coating the sides and really making it look the part.

aroma is nuts, hard to even explain as you have to simply be there. dark chocolate and oak, mingled with deep grape, raspberry and dark fruit notes, sour with changing flavors twirling around. its hard to get a grip on this beer!

the combination of a dark roasted chocolate/malt driven base with sour fruit is one that really needs to be expierenced to completely get it. i simply cannot make the words do this justice. finishes off with the subtlest of dryness and lovely sour flavors and all is well in the world.

stunning, now by far my favorite beer from lost abbey, no question.

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Photo of olenka82
4.53/5  rDev +20.2%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

I enjoy wine very much, so this was a nice surprise. I felt like I was drinking a nice cabernet with hot fudge poured into it. A chocolate wine mix, tannic and flavorful. The look was not as impressive as the taste and smell. Sour cherries were lingering afterwards, nice beer!

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Photo of jrallen34
4.7/5  rDev +24.7%
look: 2 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

cork popped with a weak puff, super dark black body with no carbonation at all... the aroma is outstanding and beyond complex, warm bourbon, red wine, tons of super sweet chocolate (almost a bit too much is my slightest complaint), a bit of vanilla finish... the taste is shocking because the cabarnet totally takes over and makes this basically taste like a wine, oak, red wine, tart like a wine, tannic, the chocolate notes add some awesome meat to the bones on this... almost perfect tasting, keeps you guessing, never complacent, get this now, unreal

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Photo of lestat314
4.97/5  rDev +31.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

4oz taster at veritas release party.

A- really dark brown mostly opaque still slightly translucent, some deep reds and auburn colors permeate the beer when held to light. very light carbonation and little to no head.

S- Sour cherries, oak, chocolate, bourbon and a whole lot more.. can't figure it all out it's so complex.

T- Just as complex as the smell, tons going on once it hits your lips. get the sour cherries and dark chocolate notes right up front one after another, really complicated finish, gonna need to revisit to try to figure this all out.

M- coats the mouth nicely for lingering aftertaste very little alcohol warmth.

O- wow...

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Photo of lisomiso
4.42/5  rDev +17.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Shared with a group of friends at a birthday dinner. What an unexpected treat!

Smelled thick and heavy. Tasted just like Chinese black vinegar and figs. Sounds horrible, I know, but it was truly delicious.

I'm sorry for all the (slightly) mean things I said about you, Tomme. No, actually, I'm not. But this beer was incredible.

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Veritas 009 from The Lost Abbey
Beer rating: 3.77 out of 5 with 243 ratings
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