Fourth Dementia (4D)
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
Old Ale
Ranked #11
Ranked #1,423
4.29 | pDev: 8.86%
Feb 11, 2022
May 07, 2003
Notes: Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%
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4.25 by ryand14 from Michigan on Feb 11, 2022
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4.14/5  rDev -3.5%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4
by jrc1093 from Connecticut

2013 vintage; consumed on 2/9/2022

Pours a clear, deep, ruddy chestnut brown body capped with a slight finger of fluffy, off-beige foam; solid head retention leaves a thin layer of intermittent cap, a thin, creamy collar, and virtually no lacing holding to the walls of the glass.

Aroma is entirely dominated by and centered around twangy raisin coursing throughout; an underlying dusting of bakers chocolate details figgy esters and faded caramels over time, while an increasingly luscious and jammy raisin holds focus.

Taste opens to raisin juice accented with toasted fig, burnt black bread, and molasses, with distant chocolate and wisps of nutty undertones progressing to the mid-palate as dark fruit jam peaks; brown sugar born from a residual sweetness phases into intermittent booziness amplifying subtler dark fruit esters as they linger through the finish.

Mouthfeel features a rounded medium body with a composed, moderate-high carbonation, lively yet rounded while dispersing to slick, semi-syrupy, even textures over the mid-palate, and eventually drying as a distant char balances a moderate warmth through the finish.

Approaching a decade in the bottle, this old ale has refined and embraced an undeniably one-note character, sparking depth through sheer focus on a singular profile development to showcase a concentrated display of age across a quality base; an increasingly decadent sipper by way of a stalwart longevity.

Feb 10, 2022
4.46 by EMH73 from New York on Jun 18, 2021
4.58 by ivegot3Dvision from Oregon on Jun 17, 2021
4.52 by Ristaccia from Nebraska on May 25, 2021
4 by blackcloud from Alaska on Apr 24, 2021
4.25 by BeerRay from Rhode Island on Mar 19, 2021
4.46 by Fireman_RK from North Carolina on Mar 18, 2021
4.25 by smartassboiler from Illinois on Jan 23, 2021
4.5 by ArsMoriendiOU818 from Virginia on Jan 13, 2021
4.25 by Nichols33 from Massachusetts on Nov 23, 2020
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4.57/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5
by larryi86 from Delaware

Blind review:
12 oz bottle poured into a wine glass

A- Black with a small mocha head. 4

S- Dark chocolate, molasses, bourbon, char oak, dark fruits, some toffee, slightly smoky. 4.5

T- Molasses, toffee, some dark chocolate, dark fruits, oak, some bourbon, touch of smoke. 4.75

M- Smooth, full body. 4.5

O- This is excellent, easy to drink and very well balanced. 4.5

After thoughts:
This is a 2 year old bottle and I’m getting an oaky quality to this, even though it is not the barrel aged version it does have a lot of flavors I tend to notice in barrel aged beers.

Jul 17, 2020
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3.78/5  rDev -11.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 3.75
by cratez from Canada (ON)

Rating from notes. Consumed January 2014. "Good in small doses due to aggressive sweetness. I enjoyed my sample but would never be able to finish a full bottle. Worth trying for the novelty though."

Jan 26, 2020
4.4 by FreshZ from Missouri on Dec 10, 2019
4 by detroitpat from Michigan on Dec 05, 2019
4.35 by NolaHopHead from Louisiana on Sep 06, 2019
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4.49/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.75
by pants678 from California

Murky brown, some foam.


Syrupy sweet, brown sugary, could use some char/smoke flavor. High ABV is hidden. Maybe the faintest bit of tart. No complaints here, hits all the right notes.

Medium bodied.

Sep 06, 2019
4.12 by Gambyt20 from Illinois on Aug 17, 2019
4.09 by StoutSnob40 from California on Jun 12, 2019
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4.79/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.75
by Dragginballs76 from South Carolina

Appearance - Pours mahogany brown with a nice thick tan head that settles to a thick ring. Great lacing everywhere which surprised me for the ABV.

Aroma - Big aromas of fig, plum, oak, bourbon, very mild vanilla. Lots of toffee, caramel and brown sugar.

Taste - Oh lord, much sweeter than expected. Lots of brown sugar, caramel, raisin, fig and plum. Big vanilla in the taste much more than I picked up in the nose. Really a rich sweet flavor, the bourbon and oak come through well.

Feel - High side of medium, great carbonation slightly warming but very smooth and easy drinking for the ABV.

Overall - Excellent beer, I love the taste the nose did not prepare me for the vanilla sweetness.

Jun 02, 2019
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4.92/5  rDev +14.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5
by Jimmy_Kneecaps from Tennessee

Look is dark brown and opaque with minimal khaki colored head. Aroma is crazy, toffee, caramel, dark fruits, vanilla, brown sugar, bready malts, and the slightest barrel hit. All the scents show up in the taste. Starts with dark fruits, then caramel, toffee, and brown sugar. The finish is strong sweet vanilla and bready malts. It’s sweet the whole time, but never overly sweet or like a dessert stout. Mouthfeel is pretty thick. Somewhat prickly but also kinda smooth. Overall this is world class amazing.

May 28, 2019
4.72 by drunkenmess from Michigan on May 22, 2019
4 by AleHunter805 from California on Feb 25, 2019
4.15 by vande from Illinois on Dec 24, 2018
4.41 by brandoneast from Texas on Dec 12, 2018
4 by yesterdayfaraway from Missouri on Oct 07, 2018
4.18 by Futbolmanby from Michigan on Sep 16, 2018
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3.89/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75
by rodbeermunch from Nevada

Pours a dark chestnut brown. Small lighter brown head 1/5". Aroma is quite boozy, but it also throwns a dense layer of rum cake malt booziness, chocolate, earthiness, wet wood, tobacco and wet leaves.

Taste takes those smells and puts a warm sherry like presence throughout the first few sips, it takes about 20% of the bottle to get accustomed to this. Molasses and raisins, the unsweetened variety. The amounts imperialized toffee and lesser caramel is not too damn high but it makes you think about it. You're not breathing fire but you can feel some of the heat on your tongue. Has that dense ass brick feel of a loaf of dark bread with booze dumped in the punch bowl.

In the right scene, these can be nice to chew on. A treat, but nothing I'm ever going to want to have multiples of in a sitting.

Mar 11, 2018
4.6 by GreatStoutman from Texas on Feb 07, 2018
4.5 by OompaMentor from Georgia on Jan 27, 2018
4.11 by Gemini6 from Michigan on Dec 06, 2017
4.04 by oriolesfan4 from Maryland on Jun 20, 2017
4.49 by HaveUSeenMyCellar from California on Apr 22, 2017
4.38 by SierraFlight from Virginia on Mar 19, 2017
3.9 by jaydoc from Kansas on Jan 29, 2017
4.07 by maxcoinage from Illinois on Dec 31, 2016
4.5 by Jonathan-Morgan from Florida on Dec 21, 2016
4.29 by MI_beerdrinker from Texas on Dec 19, 2016
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3.99/5  rDev -7%
look: 3.75 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4
by Treyliff from West Virginia

2013 vintage
12oz bottle poured into a snifter

A- pours a deep brown with some light creeping through, very thin head that disappears almost immediately

S- smells of burnt caramel/toffee, molasses, rum soaked raisins, fruit cake, leather, tobacco, soy sauce & cardboard. Oxidization is definitely settling in

T- big caramel sweetness up front consumes the entry, quickly followed by melted caramel/toffee, rum soaked fig & raisin, black cherry, even a bit of sherry. Bready maltiness gives notes of brown bread with molasses. Just a hint of oxidization gives a bit of soy sauce on the finish, but lingers with more caramel, dark fruit & brandy-like notes

M- medium body with low carbonation gives just a bit of foamy mouthfeel that coats the mouth with a thick and viscous finish, abv hidden well

O- super complex with tone of caramel/dark fruit sweetness througout. Oxidation starting to set in, this may have been at it's prime at around two years

Nov 24, 2016
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4.64/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.75 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5
by PVMT from New York

2011 vintage. Sublime.

Sep 14, 2016
Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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