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Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: English Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

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Ranking:
#1,152
Reviews:
452
Ratings:
1,058
pDev:
8.86%
 
 
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Ratings: 1,058 |  Reviews: 452
Reviews by EgadBananas:
Photo of EgadBananas
4.77/5  rDev +11.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Big Thanks to JJFoodie for this amazingness!

A - Pours a wonderful garnet color, with a minimal sized head, tan/yellow in color. Left a surprisingly nice amount of scattered, bubbly lacing.

S - Huge malty notes, lots of sweetness; candied dark fruits, toasted marsh mellow as the label predicts, almost chocolaty.

T - Sweet, but not cloying. Complex rather. Big sweet dark fruits, lots of malts, that toasted marsh mellow again and again with the chocolaty finish. It's complex to the point that it makes description a feat.

M - The feel is viscous, with a viscosity that rivals some stouts. There's an almost chewiness to it, naturally full-bodied, but the finish is clean. Carbonation level is easily next to none, giving way to a wonderful creaminess.

D - You can't smell or taste the alcohol in this monster, but it does create a bit of warming that lets you know that it's there. Drinkability is dangerously good due in part to that, but you'd be wise to limit yourself to one. (Un)Luckily for me, I had but 1 bottles, so I shall be forced to stop at that.

Wonderful Old Ale.

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More User Reviews:
Photo of -Rick
4.6/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Got in a trade
L: brown, with a redish hue
S: sweet caramel, fig, vanilla
T: like the nose, sweet caramel, chocolate, and vanilla
F: creamy
O: this beer is amazing, a must try

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Photo of brentk56
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2010 bottling

Appearance: Pours a clear coffee color with a modest head that quickly fades to a ringlet; leggy with dots of lacing

Smell: Fig, raisin, molasses, nougat and butter brickle

Taste: Dark fruit flavors forward, bringing fig and raisin with building undertones of molasses and caramel; nougat and butter brickle flavors build, after the swallow; there is a harsh character in the finish

Mouthfeel: Full bodied with low carbonation

Overall: Five years in the bottle and things have come together nicely here; on to the BB version for comparison's sake

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Photo of jzeilinger
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

In review is a 2011 vintage bottle.

A - Pours a deep raisin color with an ultra thin toffee colored lacing ring.

S - Raisins, brown sugar, maple, molasses, oak, bourbon, and figs. Nice complex aroma that opens as the beer sits.

T - Boozy from start to finish. Roasted toffee and caramel, bourbon, oak, figs, raisins, slightly medicinal, and leaves a coating of brown sugar, bourbon, toasted malt, oak, and a slight citrus presence.

M - Very thick, full bodied, slippery, syrupy body, velvety.

O - This beer has aged gracefully and opens up as the beer sits in the glass.

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Photo of russpowell
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Got this from Biergartenok, cheers Freddie!

2010 version pours a brownish-mahogany with a pinky of brown.cocoa head. Above average head retention & lacing

S: Sherry, dark fruit & a touch of Bourbon

T: Figs, black currant, dryness, a touch of charred grain up front. Boozey figs as this warms, a touch of cherry & raisin as well, plus plenty of oaky dryness & kist a touch of woody & herbal hops & some toffee notes. Finishes dry, woody, herbal witm much figgyness, a touch of prunes that doesn't help the flavor, some cherry=flovred pipe tobacco & marmalaide

MF: Chewy with minimal carbonation, skews fruitty/malty, warming

This baby screams English flavor, hops are very subtle. This is a nice fire-side ssipper, would love to try a fresh bottle for comparrison, but this is tasty enough as it is

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Photo of cbutova
3.5/5  rDev -18.4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style.

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Photo of Rutager
4.21/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2012 bottle courtesy or Buschbeer. Cheers dude!

Pours a deep rusty brown with a thin khaki head. Plums and caramel on the nose, a touch of port, and a little alcohol. Tons of raisins sprinkled with brown sugar on the tongue. Toffee for sure, maybe a bit burnt, more dark fruit, a touch of warm booze. This is fantastic. Thanks again, Buschbeer.

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Photo of Lionhawk
5/5  rDev +16.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Photo of jamie2dope
4.02/5  rDev -6.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

I received this beer as an extra from stopbarking. Thanks very much for including this beer, which has been on my wants list for as long as I can remember. The color is clear ruby, with a fingers worth of white heading. The smell is of honey, nectar, alcohol, and brown sugar. The flavor is sweet to the point of almost being cloying, with all of the same flavors listed above, coming off very juicy overall. The mouthfeel is slick and oily on the palate. While drinkable, the alcohol is definitely there and can be smelled and tasted. Certainly not a gulping beer, as the strong tastes and ABV prevent that. Most of the Kuhnhenn brews I have had all have a certain sickly sweetness, and richness to them, and Fourth Dementia is no different. This is one to sip after dinner like port or whiskey.

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Photo of Blanco
3.72/5  rDev -13.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

this is a huge beer at 13.5% and the alcohol is there, but is not an issue. It's mostly just warming in the chest. Flavor is intensely complex with all the variations of maltiness: caramel, toffee, butterscotch, and molasses. Hints of chocolate and tootsie roll as well. Lots of residual sweetness.

I'm not sure what I think of this. I'm generally very iffy when it comes to malty brews in the old ale/barleywine category. I dislike most, but absolutely love some. And so i keep buying them. Not sure where I fall here. It's one where I don't think I can personally appreciate everything it brings. This is a true malt lovers dream though, and as I mentioned the complexity is impressive.

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Photo of westcoastbeerlvr
4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

Photo of ChicagoNick
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of mrasskicktastic
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - A fairly dark brown color with a half a finger of short-lived head with a thin ring of lacing that forms. Specks of lacing adorn the glass throughout.

S - Concord grape juice, dark red fruit juices - cherries and blackberries. A bit of dates and figs.

T - Excellent. The foretaste is dominated by a truly fantastic presentation of blackberries. The aftertaste is mostly grape with a fruity bitterness.

M - Smooth, thin, slick and very refreshing.

D - Awesome. Too strong to session. The bitterness is of a type that detracts from teh drinkability, but it would be better with food. If I ever find it again, I will have it again. Why doesn't Kuhnhenn distribute more?!? This is the only Kuhnhenn beer I have had and it is simply amazing. I hope to get my hands on many more of their beers. Hopefully I can make it up to their brewpub one day.

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Photo of tmoneyba
4.3/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Draft at MBG Festival in Ann Arbor.

Poured dark amber with medium head that diminished slowly with good lacing. Full complex sweet aroma. Medium body with a smooth texture and flat carbonation. Complex sweet flavor with a medium to heavy sweet finish that was cut short by the alcohol bite.

Good beer for after dinner cigar.

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Photo of BMart
4/5  rDev -6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of Stevedore
4.24/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle of the 2013 Winter Solstice release; poured into a Hill Farmstead stemmed glass alongside the 2013 Bourbon-barrel aged version in a separate glass, today, 1/15/2014.

Pours a fairly standard dark brown body with a fluffy tan head that dissipates fairly quickly. Looks like a barleywine, really. Nothing out of the ordinary. Lacing is non-existent.

Smells very sweet- lots of caramel, toffee and dark fruits- even more interesting than BB4D which is a beer where the barrel vanilla dominates so much- and is even a little more complex. Still, I am missing the vanilla even though I enjoy the complexity and intensity of this beer.

Flavourwise, very sweet- lots of toffee, butterscotch and molasses, which isn't cut by the oak and vanilla of the BB4D which kind of takes away from my experience with this beer. Still complex with a lot going on; I can see why some people prefer this to BB4D. I'm not one of these people, however.

Medium to full bodied, well carbonated and slick. Not terribly difficult to drink. Aftertaste is mostly a dark fruity butterscotch flavour; different than the BB4D.

BB4D is definitely a better choice than regular 4D; given it was only a dollar more, I wouldn't bother with 4D; but 4D is a great beer in its own right so if you have the option to get it alongside BB4D, I would definitely recommend taking it. I can see why some people prefer the 4D to the BB4D.

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Photo of TurdFurgison
4.63/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn brewpub. I'd been wanting to try this beer for some time, and it lived up to its hype.

It was presented in a tulip-style chalice, showcasing the dark aubrun red beer with a thick, wet, and sticky tan head. Very nice looking, and the aroma wasn't as strong or barley-winey as I feared. It was malty and a little muted. Still very nice. The taste was almost doppelbocky, with rich and sweet malt flavors battling for dominance over the alcohol (13.5% based on the menu description). The malt flavors came through really nicely, and there was just a hint of alcohol burn. The mouthfeel was just as good, thick and chewy, it felt like drinking a meal. Very very nice old ale.

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Photo of CoolJosh
4.6/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Huge ups to ma main man treyrab diggity.

This beer looks amazing with it's bottle shape figure. Pours a decadent wooded dark brown. A huge light yellow creamy head really adds to the appetizing factor of this beer.

This. beer. smells. so. good. A heavily roasted hazlenut and caramel matched with vanilla alludes to this beers depth and complexity. As Trey pointed out, there is a nice funky element that was present in Kuhnhenn's Triple Bock. This beer is just as enjoyable in the taste. So smooth yet highly carbonated. The roasted flavors carry well and really take this beer to the next level. I'll file this beer under incredible beers that I will never get to try again...

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Photo of vfgccp
4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

Photo of Ferocious
4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

Photo of grandq
4.54/5  rDev +5.8%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

man, i just wanna stick my nose down in the bottle. smells like caramelized sugar, maple, some fig maybe. Taken altogether, this calls to mind a fresh baked rum raisin cake. Taste is sweet - all sweetness from fruits in the redish-to-brown spectrum, raisin, cherry, prune. etc. Caramel creeps along (not too much, as that's not a favorite flavor) and gives way to a slight hop bite that warms up the last few notes, leaving off with maple syrup more or less. The mouthfeel is silky smooth, not too much carbonation. An excellent sipper that isn't forcing you to sip with big alcohol, big malt, big hops - just asking you to savor. Definitely way up there in the style for me, even beats out Third Coast IMO.

Another big thank you to Hoppymeal for another great beer from Kuhnhenn.

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Photo of Gonzoillini
4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

Photo of deonreds
4.48/5  rDev +4.4%
look: 5 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 5 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4.5

Photo of SportsandJorts
4.81/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.75 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.75

2013 Vintage

Appearance: dark brown with reddish hues. almost opaque in color. a small, half finger of a tannish head that fades slowly to nothing.

Smell: first i get malts, sweet toffee, caramel, slight molasses that comes through. vinous flavors. oxidized dark fruits. very sweet but not grossly.

Taste: strong sweet malts at first some caramel and toffee, more subtle molasses and a very slight roastiness play in. the end consists of dark fruits, quite vinous in taste. the flavors are very oxidized and show the age well. quite a bit of alcohol comes through without being astringent or off putting.

Mouthfeel: thick, chewy, leathery, and sticky. lots of alcohol warmth. sweetness and alcohol balance nicely. feels strong probably close to what it is but is in a suitable balance.

Overall: This beer is exactly what I look for in a big beer, its flavors are intense and it pushes the style guides to the extreme but stays with the constraint (besides gravities and alcohol).

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Photo of Metalmonk
4.6/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Received in trade from brewdan. 2008 edition.

Pours a murky milk-chocolate brown/sienna, with a crackly head that brings to mind tiny bits of crisped rice, and also reminds of a Belgian stout for some reason. The head doesn't last long (what head on a 11.8% beer does?) but never truly disappears either. Fourth Dementia looks regal all the way through, and plenty of lace clings hard and thick to the glass.

Aroma offers black cherries, plump dark raisins, sherry, a little wood and hardly any of the alcohol, which is a plus. A hint of leather comes through with warming.

The flavor took me aback. I knew I loved it right away, but it seemed that with every little sip (and a couple bigger ones) it would give off many different impressions, almost too many to decipher. First I thought of wood and alcohol--almost whisky-like--then I got dark chocolate and molasses. Then vanilla sneaks in, and there's a burnt marshmallow element on the edges. Some deep dark fruit creeps up slowly, but only in a background role. And then I'm back around to the wood, while the impression of the alcohol has significantly diminished, letting the deeper flavors take hold yet providing enough warmth to give you that "comfort beer" kind of feeling (ie. it's like being under tons of covers with a lover on a frigid winter's night only, uh, different). Beguiling, complex, seductive and simply wonderful.

I found the texture to be (mostly) at odds with the personality of the flavors. It's airy and bubbly, a bit sharp and more carbonated than expected from such a beer. I loved its stickiness -- not too clingy, but it keeps the flavor lingering, and for that alone I'm happy enough with the mouthfeel.

A fantastic old ale with tons of depth and complexity. Its 11.8% comes in a very manageable 12-ounce bottle, which was a good call on Kuhnhenn's part. Even though this is my only bottle, I'll remember its personality for a long time. An exceptional and very, very special beer any way you look at it; one of the best I've had in recent memory.

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Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Beer rating: 4.29 out of 5 with 1,058 ratings