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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#637
Reviews:
450
Ratings:
1,050
pDev:
8.86%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
Wants:
616
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Trade:
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Ratings: 1,050 |  Reviews: 450
Photo of Cubatobaco
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Photo of sukwonee
4.39/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Just like BB4D, it doesn't look very good. Almost no head, dark brown body.

S: Amazing. It's literally BB4D less bourbon character. Malt, vanilla, caramel, toffee.

T: Excellent again. Dark fruits, caramel, vanilla, brown sugar.

M: Thick and syrupty.

O: I like this beer almost as much as BB4D. Thank you Beerworld for throwing this in as an extra.

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Photo of sulldaddy
4.39/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanx to walleye for the hookup on this one!
I am sampling a 12 oz bottle in a snifter at room temp. The beer pours a clear mahogany color with ruby tints when held to the lite.
A small fizzy off white head develops and fades away to nothing very quickly. Aroma is toffee, mixed berries and cherry with some spicy alcohol to boot. I also sniff some brown sugar and raisins.
First sip reveals a very fine carbonation that is so lite it is almost non-existent.
Average body with a bit of syrupy texture and very smooth.
Flavor is sweet toffee up front with some raisins and brown sugar moving in behind it and then some bitey and warming alcohol on the finish. A nice smooth beer that although it warms, the beer still goes down nicely.

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Photo of KickInTheChalice
4.39/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a growler (filled 3 days ago at Kuhnhenn's) into a pint glass. Special thanks to my dad for bringing this back from Michigan.

Appearance: Pours a dark cherry color, which appears nearly black when not held up to the light. A 3 cm off-white head forms upon pouring, but quickly dissipates to a lazy ring around the edge of the glass. Not much lace to speak of - do you expect much out of a high ABV old ale?

Smell: Quite a sweet aroma. Boozy cherry, soft caramel, and a variety of other dark fruits all make their mark.

Taste: The taste is strong and sweet, and surprisingly I did not find it cloying. It warms the stomach like brandy as strong cherry and caramel flavors give the malt some pop. Figs and dates come through right after, and a light earthy hop presence helps to finish out the taste.

Mouthfeel: The start is sweet and syrupy, but luckily it does not stay that way. Only light / medium carbonation, but with a soft creaminess it resembles a beer with less than the full body it has.

Drinkability: A great sipper. Great strong malt presence without being overly sweet. A variety of tastes, but it stays consistent most of the way through. A clean finish helps keep the taste refreshing.

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Photo of 3leggeddub
4.38/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12oz. bottle into a Rapscallion snifter.

Appearance: Pours dark brown, almost black, with nice chestnut highlights. Minimal caramel/off white head. Lots of sticky lacing down the glass.

Smell: Sweet dried fruits, figs, toffee. A bit of alcohol.

Mouthfeel: Thick, bordering on being too slick until it's cut by a slightly dry finish.

Taste: Sweet up front; dry in the end. Roasty bitterness. Dried fruit. Alcohol spice. A bit of breadiness. Rum soaked fruit cake comes to mind.

Drinkability: This is a winding down for the night sipper. Very good but indulgence should be limited. You might want to split even a 12oz. bottle with a friend.

Overall: Fourth Dementia is a complex brew that drinks more like a sherry or a liqueur. It is potent and forces you to respect that while remaining enjoyable. I can imagine sipping this on a cold New England evening in front of a fire. [Now if only I had a fireplace.] This might sound like heresy, but Fourth Dementia made me think of my experience --limited though it may be-- with Sam Adam's Utopias. Not the mouthfeel perse, but the flavor profiles are very similar. I wouldn't necessarily say that the Kuhnhenn is as good, however, I would say that if you want a hint of what can be found in a bottle of Utopias try Fourth Dimension at a fraction of the cost to see if it's up your alley.

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Photo of waltonc
4.38/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Picked this up in a trade thanks to MasterSki.

A: pours dark brown without any head. I was worried this would be flat and syrupy.

M: thankfully that was not the case. Fairly thick, sticky body with low, but present carbonation. I could have used a little more, but this was still very enjoyable.

S/T: this is where Fourth Dementia shines. One of the best smelling beers I've had. Sweet dark fruits and rich maltiness. Not much hops. Taste is more of the same, and I was also getting a little evergreen. Not piney hops-style evergreen, but a pleasant hint of spruce or something. Whatever it was, this is great. Wish it was more accessible.

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Photo of roadhouse
4.38/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle that I received from kryptic (gigantic thanks!) into a snifter. Not sure of the year but it looks quite old with a black and white label.

Appearance is a dark shade of mahogany with a cream colored head that is about one inch thick and with very tight bubbles. Some spotty lacing is left behind.

The aroma is bursting with malty goodness. Full on caramel assauly, very raisiny with lots of candied fruit aromas, and a bit of alcohol in the nose.

The taste is so much better than the nose it blew my mind. It begins with the caramel sweetness that was expected then the dark candied fruit flavors come in for a perfect blend. In the finish there is some chocolate flavors that come out as well making this one even more complex and delicious. There's even a bit of citrus hops coming through in the finish though they have obviously headed south. Easily the best Old Ale I've tried.

Mouthfeel is full and chewy with a mild carbonation that makes it so creamy and soft on the palate it's unbelievable.

Having not liked many Old Ales that much that I've tried, this one really blew me away. I wish I had more of this wonderful beer.

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Photo of sisuspeed
4.38/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to Romulux for this treat!

Poured into a tulip glass. Dark brown body with a ruby red hue. Decent off-white head that slowly fades to a creamy thin film. Nice lacing left on the glass. Looks great for an old ale.

Caramel dipped fruits with a splash of alcohol make up most of the aroma. Honey, cherries, strawberries and a little bit of port character round things out. Somewhat malty with a hint of anise as well.

Lots of caramel again with sweet candied figs on the tongue. Floral honey notes, blackberries and a touch of cherry on the finish. Toffee, bittersweet chocolate and a bit of alcohol heat, but not too much. Tasty stuff.

Mouthfeel is smooth with light, tingly carbonation. A touch of creaminess and warming alcohol. Could maybe be beefed up a bit, but still pretty good.

Drinkability is good. A big beer and definitely a sipper. I'm really liking the fruity caramel flavors. The nose is also quite pleasant and adds to the overall enjoyment. Pretty sure I could finish a bottle of this by myself. I'm also glad I have another bottle aging in the cellar. This beer should come along nicely with a few years on it. Very well done old ale. Nice work Kuhnhenn.

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Photo of SierraFlight
4.38/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Photo of oberon
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottled on 2-16-05,best before 2011.Poured a deep chesnut brown with well formed light brown one finger head that leaves a trace amount of lace as it settled quickly.Oh the aromas so rich and decadent,nutty and portish with anise notes and caramel and alcohol dipped dark fruit.Chewey mouthfeel very pleasurable,where to begin flavor wise,those tawny port notes and quite raisiny upfront slowly merging into a nutty,woody finish I also noticed a touch of herbal hop toward the end as well wich was suprising and nice.Hmm this is a gem here would age incredibly just awesome.

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Photo of mikey711
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Brewery Aged Version

A: Dark brown with only a mild amount of head that leaves no lace and does not retain at all. Slightly cloudy with minor bits of sediment as well.

S: Very pleasant caramel and toffee note to start. Also a nice hint of toasted almond and a slightly breadiness. Also plenty of fruit notes and a bit of a port quality

T: Starts off with the toasted almond flavor followed by caramel and brown sugar. Definitely sweet, but there is enough going on else where in terms of biscuit notes and toasted flavor where it is not cloying at all.

M: Incredibly smooth with no heat detectable for such a big beer, there is a hint of chalkiness, but for the most part smooth and on for the style

D: For such a big beer it is very easy to drink and highly enjoyable. I think it may be tough to drink to much of this due to the abv but one worth seeking out

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Photo of barefootbrewer
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This beer poured a clear brown color with a thin tan head that stuck around for the entire tasting. The aroma was big of malt and caramel - very inviting. The taste was also MALT! It was complex with notes of deep plumb, caramel and brown sugar. The mouthfeel was full and lush. This is a heavy brew. A delicious sipper that I'd love to try again.

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Photo of BakaGaijin
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Photo of onespartan
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Photo of HopHead84
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

5/18/2010

2008 vintage in a snifter. Bottle received in a trade with FlanderNed, thanks Steve! The beer pours turbid deep crimson brown with a voluminous light tan head, excellent retention, and scattered lacing.

The aroma is rich and malty, with notes of dried dates and figs, sherry oxidation, treacle, mellow alcohol, caramel, and toffee. Amazing aroma.

The flavor is luscious toffee. It's incredibly rich and expressive, with notes of dried dates, dried figs, treacle, toffee, caramel, light sherry oxidation, and alcohol. The finish is decadent and boozy.

The beer is full bodied with a thick and chewy mouthfeel. This is a rich, complex, and potent malt sipper. Highly recommended, though I'd suggest you share the bottle.

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Photo of brentk56
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

2010 bottling

Appearance: Pours a clear coffee color with a modest head that quickly fades to a ringlet; leggy with dots of lacing

Smell: Fig, raisin, molasses, nougat and butter brickle

Taste: Dark fruit flavors forward, bringing fig and raisin with building undertones of molasses and caramel; nougat and butter brickle flavors build, after the swallow; there is a harsh character in the finish

Mouthfeel: Full bodied with low carbonation

Overall: Five years in the bottle and things have come together nicely here; on to the BB version for comparison's sake

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Photo of tpd975
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Many thanks to Joey R for this one. I had had it on draft now I get to sample it in the bottle.

A: Nice bright brownish black hue with a little head. Spotty lace was noted.

S: The aroma is of wonderful deep dark fruits like plums and raisins. There is a bready malty backbone that makes its self known. Tinges of booze soaked dark cherries and a dash of chocolate.

T: Very nice. Who knew you could pack something so boozy, hoppy, roasty, dark fruity, and damn good in a bottle.

M: Very thick with ample carbonation and a blast of booze.

D: Sip slowly my friend, cause this one will dump a whole can of whoop ass on you if not.

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Photo of kirok1999
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to mcallister for the generosity. Served at about 60 degrees.
Pours a dark copper/bronze with just a wisp of light foam around the edge of the snifter.
Smell is of massive dark fruit with a candy sweetness.
Taste is a dark caramel malt bomb. Sweet and bready as well with lots of plum and raisin. Some mild carbonation and a slight spice note in the middle. Very dark caramel in the finish.
One of the best old ales I've ever had.

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Photo of Jmoore50
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Kuhnhenn has been hit or miss with me. This one is a direct hit.

The appearance is a nice light brown, with a great clarity. No head and some bubbles are only present for a bit. Real nice legs, actually looks like a fine bourbon in the glass.

The smell is great, cherries and malt sugar, caramel, brown sugar. A great array of sweet fruit sugars.

The taste goes right along with the smells, fruit and brown sugar. There are lots of sweet sugars in this one. There is a bit of heat in the back end that pushes the sweet flavors through.

The mouthfeel is oily and fairly thick, some ABV heat. A very nice after dinner dessert beer that I enjoyed a lot.
J

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Photo of seaoflament
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to tangfoot for sending me this beer in the Top 100 BIF. I was told that this was purchased in the Winter Solstice party on 12/21/07.

Pours a lovely dark brown with a few red spots when held to the light, and a half inch or so of tan foam topped it.

This beer has an intense bread aroma with a mixture of apples, plums, raisins, and cherries. A good presence of yeast and spices makes the aroma even more complex. The malt really steals the show in this beer, raisin and cinnamon bread, toast, and multi-grain bread. The fruitiness would be my second favorite aspect of the nose. The fruits range from dark ones like raisins, plums, figs and prunes to cherries and apples. There's also some caramel in there.

The taste is just as good and as complex as the aroma. First I taste some wheat bread and toast and then a rush of dark fruits in the middle and then a complete turnaround back to toast. The finish has the yeast and spices with just a touch of heat from the alcohol but it does not get in the way of the beer, it actually seems to enhance the flavors. The next couple of sips reveal some apple skins, pears and fleshy prunes. Caramel and butterscotch flavors are also there. The finish is also a bit dry and just enough bitterness to balance out the massive amount of malt sweetness.

The mouth-feel is a touch syrupy at the beginning but once you swallow the carbonation hits the palate and goes down really smooth. The beer residue on the lips leaves them a little sticky.

Old Ales are not a style I particularly seek out or crave but this is one tasty beer and I wouldn't mind drinking this again (I'm glad I at least have one more bottle!).

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Photo of enfield249
4.37/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours deep red brown, with little to no head, small ring of off white foam around the edge of the glass.

S - Lots of roasty sweetness, molasses, spice and dark fruit.

T - Wow. Sweet, malty, and lots of dark fruit on the tail end.

M - Full, thick and cloying, just like an old ale should be.

D - A great beer, but most assuredly a sipper.

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Photo of Beejay
4.36/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to RocPorterFanatic for this brew.

A: Very dark brown in color, slightly hazy, and a quaint tan head on the top.

S: Intense malt, and a good amount of sweetness. Molasses, caramel, brown sugar and perhaps a hint of dark chocolate or licorice.

T: Sweet, with brown sugar, caramel, and dark fruits. There is a hint of bread, as well as an almost orange zest like flavor in the finish, you can't taste the alcohol as much as you can feel it. Very nice.

M: Medium heavy, carbonation is low, and there is a stickiness to it, that I think works in the finish. If anything it feels slightly lighter than I would have thought.

O: Overall a hell of a malt bomb to round out your day with. Delicious, smooth, and dangerous.

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Photo of ryantho00
4.36/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Found at country acres in a 4 pack 12oz bottles.

Pours deep amber brown with half finger head that disappears fast, but slight carbonation retained. Poured into a snifter. I can detect caramel, cherry, alcohol, and oak when sniffed, there is a slight vanilla smell also.

This came highly recommended, cheers Kuntz! Well worth $17 for a four pack. It has a nice balanced mouthfeel high maltiness caramel beginning that has a slight alcoholiness to it and deep vanilla and toasty oak flavors. I taste an almost bourbon undertone as well. It finishes smooth with a vanilla and caramel sweet maltiness. The alcohol is very well hidden and this a nicely balanced for 13.5% abv. I'm sure this would cellar well and I'd be interested to taste one a couple years old. Very well done, I usually prefer more hops, but this is delicious

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Photo of joemcgrath27
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

big ups to andrenaline for including this in our last trade
A - swampy brown, thin layer of consistent head, left nicely consistent lacing
S - raisins, molasses, light hints of pears and herbs, not even a tickle of the high octane
T - juicy rasins and plumbs, molasses and butter, sticky sweet to the last drop with just a faint hint of alcohol in the late finish
M - thick and sticky sweet, you would never guess its a 13.5% behemoth, just a little warmth in the chest
O - this is just unbelievable, sweet and delicious and drinkable to the point of being very dangerous, i would love to get my hands on another

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Photo of Danimal25
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Beer rating: 4.29 out of 5 with 1,050 ratings
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