Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Ratings:
1,049
Reviews:
450
Avg:
4.26
pDev:
8.92%
 
 
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616
Gots:
214
For Trade:
25
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Photo of IdrinkGas
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of Lazhal
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Photo of cbutova
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style.

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Photo of pisano
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of ygtbsm94
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of krl2112
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of pokgye
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of dfillius
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of FullObs
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of BDeibs
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of akttr
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of PhineasGage
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of ScottyBonzai
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of thegerm87
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of marshmeli
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

Photo of CanuckRover
3.53/5  rDev -17.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.25

Deep brown. Surprisingly nice head for the style, a couple fingers. Settles to a respectable film.

Big dark fruit on the nose, nice undercurrent of toffee and a bit of chocolate.

Holy sweetness. A little bit of odd, but kind of welcome, tartness to start things off, but then it's just a rush of sweet sweet fruit. There are some chocolate flavours that I really like and the slight alcohol heat near the finish is really nice, but it really needs a touch more zing to balance things out.

Mouthfeel on the other hand is just terrific. Full bodied with perfect amount of carbonation, an area where many old ales fall flat on their faces.

Some will (and obviously do) enjoy this, but too sweet for my tastes.

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Photo of nickd717
3.55/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

I reviewed this on tap and gave it an A, but this one is not going to be as pretty. bring was nice enough to share two vintages of 12oz bottles of this - the 2008 and 2009. Apparently (from the reviews and my experience) the tap and bottled versions can differ substantially. I like the tap version better.

Pours hazy reddish-orangish-amber color with a one-finger off-white head and nice lacing.

Aroma is very good, but you can sense a lot of sweetness. Super-sweet caramel and brown sugar, mild toastiness, and candied fruits.

On the flavor, this is a massive sugar bomb. Absolutely brutal. Still though, it's very tasty, in the same way candy is. Fruits abound - candied plums, figs, dates, and cherries - along with caramel, toffee, burnt brown sugar, and alcohol. The 2009 vintage is sweeter than the 2008, which has mellowed out a bit.

Palate is nice and smooth with medium-full body, but you can feel the cloying sweetness. This is almost akin to drinking syrup like they did in "Super Troopers." Very moderate booziness.

The drinkability on this one is really average at best. It's just tough to take down too much of, and I have a high sweet tolerance (although it's not as high as it used to be). Still, I wouldn't turn this beer down if you offered it to me again.

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Photo of Chico1985
3.55/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle traded by FourKicks, had right after a '99 Thomas Hardy's, old school and new school old ales back to back...

Pours dark red, mostly translucent. Beige head sticks around for a bit but succumbs to a ring, not much in the way of lace left behind.

Smell/taste - Nice but compared to the Thomas Hardy's this felt really tame. Mostly dark fruits noticeable (cherry and figs come to mind), caramel and toffee malt, slight vanilla. Mouthfeel was probably the highlight, the 13.5% is extremely well-hidden.

Good overall but nothing blew me away about it. I have another bottle to age, we'll see where that one goes.

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Photo of DoubleSimcoe
3.56/5  rDev -16.4%
look: 3 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

4th D Olde Ale, bottle bought at Whole Foods Tribeca for $6.99.

Appearance: Poured into my Lost Abbey chalice, 4D pours flat like a motherfucker. No head, no carbonation, no lacing, no retention. You know the drill. This is 4D for you.

Smell: As in the bourbon-barrel version, the nose is the winner here. Intense aromas all around! Chocolate, booze, port wine. Raisins, some nuts, cola-flavored chewing gum.

Taste: Follows nose, but the flatness kind of ruins the experience. A ton of chocolate, stickiness, heavy sweetness. Pedro Ximenez. Some musty hops around. Dark fruit, caramel. Vinous qualities. Overwhelming after a while.

Mouthfeel: Pretty bad, as in the BB version. Flat, hot, sticky, unbalanced. Zero carbonation. Burning booze.

Overall: I like the BB 4D, but regular 4D really doesn't have it. It is a sweet-and-booze bomb that is begging for some balance and complexity. I love old ales (Old Stock!!) but really can't deal with this on a regular basis and probably won't buy again.

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Photo of ritzkiss
3.58/5  rDev -16%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

12oz bottle in a trade from Viggo - thanks a bunch man! 2008 vintage.

Pours a dark amber with a pillowy caramel head, actually quite a solid foam buildup for a barleywine/old ale. Doesn't leave any lacing though.

Nose is heavy, sweet caramel, bready malts, just a hint of fruit.

This is one sweet brew. As others have mentioned, this beer tastes a little more in line with an English barleywine than an old ale. Thick, syrupy caramel, brown sugar, bread, toast, flowery, a hint of alcohol in the finish (but for 12% it is remarkably well hidden), just the faintest hop bittering in the finish.

This one is too sweet for me; you can almost feel the sugar moving between your teeth. That said, it hides the alcohol really well and if you dig the really sweet brews this one would be sneaky dangerous. I found it all a little messy, not enough room for the individual flavors to shine through - just too sweet. Thanks again for the chance to try this one, Eric!

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Photo of cooncat
3.58/5  rDev -16%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Serving was on tap at the Brew Kettle's 2008 Ogre Fest (Strongsville, OH.)

Appearance is a deep garnet color of good clarity. Minimal head and lacing, which is to be expected for a beer of this strength.

Unfortunately, this was not served in the proper glassware to extract a good sense of the true nose. What I got was light, but decidedly fruity with faint notes of alcohol. The taste is of dark fruits; raisins and plums come to mind. Supposedly, this has a 30 IBU rating, but those hops are completely hidden by the full bodied fruitiness of the sweet malts. The sweetness is almost to the point of being cloying, but doesn't cross the line ... but only by the closest margin. The sweet fruity flavor last to the end, at which time the alcohol makes a showing in some warmth. This is hard to make out as an Old ale, when it is so close to a Strong Ale and/or a barleywine. The sweetness would make for a fine after dinner drink, but I don't think you could do more than one.

An interesting offering, and Kuhnhenn certainly has produced yet another 'extreme' beer in the 4th Dimentia. Worth seeking out and trying.

Cheers

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Photo of darklordlager
3.6/5  rDev -15.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (Olde Ale 2008 Brewery Aged)
Received in a trade with Randalld quite a while ago--thanks Randall!

A: Pours with a very small amount of carbonation, a light brown with garnet hints. I think a bit of yeast may have slipped by, as I was not aware it was bottle conditioned.
3.5

S: Rich figs, dark fruit, caramel, bread pudding, alcohol. Licorice notes, and a small amount of oxidation. Maple, as it warms.
3.5

T: Layered caramel, cake-y, bready, soy sauce, salty, licorice. Butterscotch/maple syrup emerges as it warms.
3.5

M: Very thin, with very low carbonation. I would have like to see a bit more of each.
2.5

D: Hides the alcohol like a dream, but the lack of body and carbonation make it less than it could be in my opinion.
3.5

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Photo of oregone
3.63/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark amber. Good, prodigious (surprisingly so) light cream head with solid retention.
S: Traecle, molasses and alcohol. Good, but little beyond the sweet caramelized flavors, and the booze was aparent.
T:Smell specific. Boozy in a not subtle way, though somewhat expected. Lots of dark caramel and molasses. Some caramelized orange peel and more brandy dessert flavors.
M: Best part of the brew. Carbonaion kept the huge viscocity fresh. Thick and rich but not tiresome. Sticky on the lips, but fresh on the palate.
O: Good. Would drink again, albeit not search it out. A dessert beer for sure and perhaps the size wasn't matched with enough complexity or balance for me. I love big brew, but this wasn't exciting.

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Photo of bret27
3.63/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2007, 2+ yr old bottle.

A: Brown/amber, minimal light brown head.

S: Heavy malt sweetness

T: Bready, malty, sweet, vanilla, citrus notes, alcohol.

M: Fairly thick + full bodied.

D: Pretty thick w/alcohol presence pretty strong. So not so great.

O: Pretty good solid beer, but not mind-blowing, or something to drink all the time. Not sure if the age helps or hurts this beer. There just wasn't a whole lot of flavor coming out of it for me.

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Photo of Gmann
3.64/5  rDev -14.6%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 2 | overall: 3.5

Pours a dirty cola brown color with little to no head, meh.

The aroma has an intense raisin aroma with notes of caramel and toffee. Quite sweet. Some honey and booze soaked cherries; rum cake.

The taste starts off sweet like the aroma but does have somewhat of an earthy balance. Sweet caramel, honey, and prune juice kick things off and are expected in an old ale. Then comes a wave of burnt caramel that adds some needed bitterness and a strong tea like flavor that you find in amber ales. And just as the label suggests, I get the toasted marshmellow flavor. They really nailed that one, never tasted roasted marshmellow in a beer before. Some boozy cherry sweetness as well.

The feel is a bit of a mess. It is sticky, syrupy and yet some how dry?!? Significant amount of earthy bitterness balances out the crazy sweetness but it some how really drys the beer out. Bizarre. The lingering effects not entirely pleasant. I'm really not digg'n the feel.

I dunno, the beer has some big bold flavors but they seem to contrast each other. The beer needs a bitter offset but I find that they went too dry with an acrid bitterness. Doesn't blend as an old ale should. Perhaps it needs some major aging.

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4.26 out of 5 based on 1,049 ratings.
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