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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#632
Reviews:
450
Ratings:
1,049
pDev:
8.86%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
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Ratings: 1,049 |  Reviews: 450
Photo of Rutager
4.21/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

2012 bottle courtesy or Buschbeer. Cheers dude!

Pours a deep rusty brown with a thin khaki head. Plums and caramel on the nose, a touch of port, and a little alcohol. Tons of raisins sprinkled with brown sugar on the tongue. Toffee for sure, maybe a bit burnt, more dark fruit, a touch of warm booze. This is fantastic. Thanks again, Buschbeer.

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Photo of Canada_Dan
4.21/5  rDev -1.9%

Photo of smanson56
4.21/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Photo of shoegueuze
4.21/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of Knapp85
4.21/5  rDev -1.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of russpowell
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Got this from Biergartenok, cheers Freddie!

2010 version pours a brownish-mahogany with a pinky of brown.cocoa head. Above average head retention & lacing

S: Sherry, dark fruit & a touch of Bourbon

T: Figs, black currant, dryness, a touch of charred grain up front. Boozey figs as this warms, a touch of cherry & raisin as well, plus plenty of oaky dryness & kist a touch of woody & herbal hops & some toffee notes. Finishes dry, woody, herbal witm much figgyness, a touch of prunes that doesn't help the flavor, some cherry=flovred pipe tobacco & marmalaide

MF: Chewy with minimal carbonation, skews fruitty/malty, warming

This baby screams English flavor, hops are very subtle. This is a nice fire-side ssipper, would love to try a fresh bottle for comparrison, but this is tasty enough as it is

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Photo of aasher
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

This bottle was graciously shared by sixthglass, thanks Tim!

This bottle was the 2008 vintage, 11.8%. It pours a medium bodied and somewhat murky cherried wood brown in color with red highlights and a beige lacing around the glass. It smells of sweet malts, some cherry, raisins, brown sugar, molasses, maple syrup, with some light oak. It's very sweet on the nose yet very aromatic. You can tell that it has aged well thusfar. The flavors too are on the sweet side. You get a lot of raisins, figs, dates, light oak/earthiness, with some vanilla as well. It's very complex and an interesting drink. It's kind of like sipping on a port. The sugar is holding me back from grading it higher. It drinks medium in body and is sticky on the palate. The flavors resonates for a few minutes after each sip. Overall this is a nice old ale, despite the grandiose amount of sugar. It's very, very complex and will make you think while you drink it. It's well worth your while.

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Photo of hopdog
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle. Bottle labeled bottled on 08-01-04 and best before 2010.

Poured a deeper and murky brown color with a small sized off white head. Aromas of caramel, toffee, dark cherries, raisins, and light chocolate. Tastes of toffee, cherries, plums, citrus, caramel, and some brown sugar. Light to medium alcohol in the finish.

Notes from 12/24/06

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Photo of jzeilinger
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 3.75 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

In review is a 2011 vintage bottle.

A - Pours a deep raisin color with an ultra thin toffee colored lacing ring.

S - Raisins, brown sugar, maple, molasses, oak, bourbon, and figs. Nice complex aroma that opens as the beer sits.

T - Boozy from start to finish. Roasted toffee and caramel, bourbon, oak, figs, raisins, slightly medicinal, and leaves a coating of brown sugar, bourbon, toasted malt, oak, and a slight citrus presence.

M - Very thick, full bodied, slippery, syrupy body, velvety.

O - This beer has aged gracefully and opens up as the beer sits in the glass.

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Photo of gford217
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

12oz bottle courtesy of Knight84 and Hoppymeal poured into a snifter.

A: Pours a dark brown mahogany with a small dense head that diminishes quickly leaving almost no bubbles and no lacing.

S: Big caramel malt smell dominates the nose with raisins and molasses mixed in. There is also a definite alcohol sting in there as well.

T: Taste follows the smell with molasses and raisins up front giving way to the huge caramel malt taste. The finish is slightly smoky with the alcohol making its presence felt as well.

M: Mouthfeel is smooth and almost syrupy with little carbonation in the mix. The high sugar content makes it a bit sticky.

D: This is an excellent beer though the syrupy sweet mouthfeel takes away from the drinkability slightly. Still, very nice.

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Photo of kbutler1
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle. 2008 vintage. Pours a reddish mahagony color with a nice tan head head that coasters. The aroma is very interesting with a mix of caramel, milk chocolate, dark fruit, vanilla, with some hop bitterness. The smell is super intense. Rich and creamy medium/heavy mouthfeel. Slightly sweet dark fruit and tvery slight art up front that transitions to rich caramel sweet taste with some very intense rich flavors. The alcohol is well hidden. Good head retention and nice carbonation.

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Photo of mwa423
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours a beautiful clear golden/ruby and slightly purple color with a a thick white head with a nice lacing. It's so beautiful that I'm not sure if I want to drink at it or stare at it.

S - The smell is fantastic, lots of dried dark fruit, fig and sweetness. There are more and more malty notes as the beer warms up, absolutely fantastic. Most amazing is the complete lack of alcohol in the nose for such a high abv beer.

T - Taste is like the aroma, complex, fruity and overall fantastic. The main taste is a mix of plum and alcohol. The alcohol is a bit overbearing and leaves a burn that erases lots of of the positive flavors.

M - The mouthfeel is harsh and has a lot of bite, carbonation is minimal which is unsurprising for the style.

Overall, a beautiful and fantastic smelling beer only knocked down by the strong alcohol flavor.

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Photo of Atron67
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Alright in not one to review from but this was one of the first beers i had. it came a copper red with a solid head of tan color that stuck around with solid retention. extremely malty and very thick but not overwhelming for the consumer who understands what they are getting into. thick creamy very full bodied, had a very strong lingering character on the tongue, and an extreme maltiness. as stated above, very thick and creamy, slight fruit notes to it. heavy actually pretty smooth and very tasty.

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Photo of letsgopens
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I liked this fella so much I just had to pop a growler in the cooler for the long trip home. Once safely home, this Olde Ale poured a deep woody ruby/brown with a light tan head that holds very well and leaves some nice walls of lace.

The aroma is very fruity and sharp. Cherry, honey and toasty malt. Sweet but not abundantly so. A good amount of dark fruit is present as well. Just a hint of booze.

Smooth and tangy. More dark fruit (date, fig) and lightly toasted malt. Caramel sweetness and tart cherry. Some apple cider character and a bit more alcohol. For such a high ABV, the booze harshness is well hidden. A hint of apricot and some other heavily fermented fruit. A tangy, acidic twang surfaces in the finish. Complex and well put together. This stuff will definitely sneak up on you if your not paying attention.

Velvety but with a distinct tanginess. Moderate carbonation cleans up the finish a bit. Some nice warmth in the finish. Great stuff, lots of elements at play. I certainly suggest you give it a try if you get the opportunity.

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Photo of TheSevenDuffs
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2011 Vintage poured in to Founders tulip.

A - Murky dark brown with a very small amount of light brown head.

S - A huge caramel malt sweetness up front accompanied by toffee, molasses and brown sugar. The ABV is very well hidden. Reminiscent of a barley wine.

T - A big sweetness up front with dark caramel, toffee, brown sugar and molasses flavours. The middle offers a bouquet of dark fruit, raising, dates and sticky candy-like flavours. The finish brings back the sweet toffee and caramel with just the right amount of warming alcohol present.

M - Full bodies, silky and smooth. Light carbonation. An exceptional mouth feel.

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Photo of yamar68
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Huge thanks to antlerwrestler19 for this one - 2011 vintage:

Such a raw looking beer. Deep, dark brown coffee body with an edge of ruby clarity that shows silky beading and a good amount of sexy legs and lace.

Gigantic dessert aromas explode from the glass... caramel, toffee, graham cracker, molasses, sweet grain... beautiful. It's a mellow sense of sweetness - it's not big enough to hide a big booze bill which is perfect because that wouldn't be necessary. The alcohol is surprisingly approachable; I don't know what keeps it in check. A touch of leather and s'more seem to do the trick.

A good amount of grape soda and tobacco surfaces on the palate. Some of that warming liqueur type flavor dries things up. Lots of toasted bread crusts and big grain flavors. There's a somewhat metallic finish that lingers over all of those surprisingly palatable malt notes. It's big. It's complex. It's tasty.

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Photo of peabody
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out a really dark reddish brown with lots of off-white bubbles that quickly dissapate.
Smell is toasted caramel malts and raisin bread.
Taste is carmel malt and raisin bread. the alcohol isn't too strong here but the afterburn does give a hint of the abv power this beer has.
Mouthfeel is pretty sticky and flavor retention is good. Great sipin brew .
Overall this is a great Old Ale from a great company that I can't get around these parts.

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Photo of metter98
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: The beer is dark red and poured with virtually no head.
S: Hints of cherries are present in the aroma.
T: The beer tastes strong with notes of cherry flavors and malty sweetness along with hints of alcohol.
M: It feels medium-bodied and very smooth on the palate with a light amount of carbonation.
O: This beer goes down very easily considering its strength.

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Photo of IPAchris
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 3.75 | overall: 4

Photo of beavers
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to Crittervision for opening this one up.

A: Chestnut brown with a luscious creamy cappuccino-like head that has outstanding retention and lacing.

S: Big nose of bready malts, spiced apples, black pepper, dark fruit puree.

T: Sweet bready (yeasty) malt up front, tart apples, brown sugar (chewing tobacco!), cinnamon, roasted (slighty chocolatey) malt finish, slightly warming alcohol. Lingering sweetness and becomes more and more present with each sip.

M: Full bodied with moderate carbonation. Works well with the sweetness.

D: This is a big beer and the alcohol is very well integrated. This is surely a sipper and a great one at that.

This is classified as an Old Ale, but you could have told me English Barleywine and I would have believed you. It fits both categories well.

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Photo of SerialTicker
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn Brewery as part of a paddle. '11 Vintage.

Appearance: Somewhat like the BB4D, but with a more reddish hue, and -- surprisingly -- a somewhat smaller head. Given the ABV, this is actually a great looking beer. There's even a little bit of lacing, too.

Smell: Sweet. The BB4D has a chocolate note, and I suppose this has a trace of it as well, but it's less pronounced. This regular 4D has a fruitier aroma, and there's no alcohol in that aroma at all.

Taste: Like the smell, sweet... cherry sort of aromas here, with plenty of malt. There's a decent bitterness in there so it's not all fruity sweetness, but it's definitely a sweeter brew. Dark fruits and malts own this beer. A bit of warmth on the swallow lets you know that this is a high ABV beer, but it doesn't come through in the taste. I like the aroma on this one a bit more than the BB4D version.

I'm no doubt in the minority, but I prefer this one to the bourbon barrel version. It's not by a huge margin, but it's still there. The bourbon barrel may mellow the beer out a tad, but it also takes away notes that this '11 4D had... and that I really enjoyed. This 4D had an inexplicable certain "bite" in the flavor (and I don't mean alcohol) that really intrigued me. This is an excellent beer that must be tried if it can be found.

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Photo of BarrytheBear
4.24/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle courtesy of Stephen and poured into my Central Waters snifter. Thank you for the opportunity!

Mild aggression leads to a quick rise and fall off white bubbles that pool to fat orbs along the edges. Rusty tromboney color with reddish and muddy brown highlights. When backlit against the dark couch she looks just fine, when held to light a bit of turd soup.

Sweet dark fruits, figs, marshmallow, drizzled hot butterscotch and sugary german chocolate cake. In my wheelhouse here, as I dig a good Old Ale. Decadent.

Tastes even sweeter than the nose lets on and that's a near Herculean feat. Figs, plums, rum soaked raisin, and vanilla. Lingering fusel heat that hangs along the palate and leaving a slow simmering burn along the finish. A beast to be sure.

Low carbonation, oily, and buttery. Slip slides like Astroglide on a summer evening.

A big beer to be savored and pondered. Not Adam, but what is?

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Photo of Stevedore
4.24/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12oz bottle of the 2013 Winter Solstice release; poured into a Hill Farmstead stemmed glass alongside the 2013 Bourbon-barrel aged version in a separate glass, today, 1/15/2014.

Pours a fairly standard dark brown body with a fluffy tan head that dissipates fairly quickly. Looks like a barleywine, really. Nothing out of the ordinary. Lacing is non-existent.

Smells very sweet- lots of caramel, toffee and dark fruits- even more interesting than BB4D which is a beer where the barrel vanilla dominates so much- and is even a little more complex. Still, I am missing the vanilla even though I enjoy the complexity and intensity of this beer.

Flavourwise, very sweet- lots of toffee, butterscotch and molasses, which isn't cut by the oak and vanilla of the BB4D which kind of takes away from my experience with this beer. Still complex with a lot going on; I can see why some people prefer this to BB4D. I'm not one of these people, however.

Medium to full bodied, well carbonated and slick. Not terribly difficult to drink. Aftertaste is mostly a dark fruity butterscotch flavour; different than the BB4D.

BB4D is definitely a better choice than regular 4D; given it was only a dollar more, I wouldn't bother with 4D; but 4D is a great beer in its own right so if you have the option to get it alongside BB4D, I would definitely recommend taking it. I can see why some people prefer the 4D to the BB4D.

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4.24/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

2012 Vintage tasted 17/6/13 (13.5%)

Let us assume that Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia is indeed the product of some alternative universe, one where flatness, sludgy murkiness and muddy brown colouring are considered aesthetic qualities for a beer to have. In the eyes of that world it would be a model beer... but in this one it looks like something you'd unclog from your bathroom sink.

Just smelling 4D you'd want to have some tissue on hand in case it sticks to and hangs off your nose; its aroma comes across incredibly resinous and viscous. It's as if the brewery covered tree bark in a hard caramel coating and smeared figs and bruised plums across it. The glass smells as though it's been glazed in some kind of anise seed wax.

Persistence in trying to pick out more and more from the aroma might result a headache - it's that intense - but sipping the beer is a sweet and sublime exercise in relaxation. Vanilla candle and caramel flavours really come to the fore along with all kinds of Christmas-cake dried fruits and spices. The musty oak barrel notes crumble into a chocolate and port-like finish.

High alcohol may give the beer sherry-like undertones but a near chewy maltiness provides enough body in the form of dark toffee and chocolate-covered wafers. A bleached-out, long-steeped English Breakfast bitterness mingles with figs, dates and plum pudding on the finish. The earthy, bittersweet profile is reminiscent of a strong chestnut honey.

4D doesn't have to be sipper but it's a wise to way to consume a beer that is both strong and complex; each mouthful reminds one of just how much can be derived from only a few measly ounces (bought with, it must be said, more than just a few measly dollars). Mind you the beer's high price tag is reflective of a rich beer, one that gives even more with bottle age.

Any Kuhnhenn in the cellar means life is good. Kuhnhenn beers - the barrel-aged offerings in particular - are objects against which to measure the rest of your life. Though they aren't cheap, these beers aren't about being well-heeled – they're about being well-off, in the sense that you have the fortunate circumstances to enjoy some of America's most rare and unique ales.

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Photo of DanGeo
4.25/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Beer rating: 4.29 out of 5 with 1,049 ratings
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