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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
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Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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Photo of BuckeyeNation
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Black cherry cordial beneath a three finger crown of attractive golden caramel foam. As the proportions of beer and head begin to reverse, I'm amazed at the fiery brilliance of the liquid. An ABV of 11% is probably a bit high to expect much lace, and, in fact, the glass is almost untouched. Still though, this is a very nice looking old ale.

The nose--by my nose at least--is indistinguishable from a barleywine. In addition to aromas of concentrated cherries and raspberries, there's a good bit of sweet caramel and fruit juice infused tobacco. Alcohol is present, as it will most likely be for at least several more years. I need more complexity and sheer force of personality to break out the big numbers though.

On the palate, I'm again reminded of a barleywine. The flavor profile follows the nose directly and, like the nose, could be deeper and more multi-faceted. I started the bottle out at barely cool so I don't think that temperature is an issue. Let's see what happens as the ounces disappear.

My taste buds are quite happy during the initial submersion. For such a big beer though, the flavor fades a bit too quickly, never quite reaching critical mass. I need more time to explore all of the beer's dimensions, but I can't quite get to the third one, the one that bestows volume and depth. I'm probably being a little hard on Fourth Dementia, but my expectations were sky high and they weren't met. That always makes me a little grumpy.

Caramel-drizzled, brandy-soaked cherries account for most of the flavor profile. I had a feeling that the hops that were present when this bottle was young (bottled on 8-1-04) have long since faded and that's exactly the case. There isn't a great of sweetness to counter though, so a huge hop load isn't needed at this point. The finish is on the short side for the style. The high ABV and the lack of malty assertiveness see to it that it's drying as well.

The body fills out a little from start to finish and manages to reach softly creamy by the final few ounces. It's nowhere near too carbonated, but a few fewer bubbles would have made the mouthfeel more silky and more enjoyable than it already is. This is a pretty good sipper though, I'm glad that I chose a snifter.

This bottle of Fourth Dementia has been biding its time in my cellar for over a year now. Given the 'best before 2010' on the label, I was in no hurry to sample the goods. After drinking it, I don't believe that it's going to improve from here on out. In the final reckoning, it's a good old ale, but 'great' never even crossed my mind.

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Photo of blackie
4.17/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

appearance: In the snifter, the beer has a slight, khaki colored head. The color is a deep, rich brown.

smell: Upfront are lightly toasted malts with big notes of date and dark sugars. As the beer warms, just the right amount of ethanol opens up. Plenty of muddy hop aroma.

mouthfeel: The carbonation is at a very smooth, light, almost perfect level. The body is full and syrupy.

taste: A big barley sweetness with thick flavors of dark fruits and a nice ethanol bite dominate. The hop flavor is considerable and pretty heavy with the taste of hop pulp, though very well blended with the sugary malts. The hop flavor opens up and becomes floral in the finish, and the bitterness tries its best to back up the malt sugars.

drinkability: a good beer and pretty easy to sip on

bottle split with dirtylou during my stay in Madison...best by 2010

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Photo of onsite416
4.57/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle Dated 2.16.05
a= really did not see this one coming. Poured a dark brown, and then seemed to turn to dark amber. Very thin white head was gone in it 2 seconds.

s= Loads of berries, caramel, malts & zest of lemon.

t= Champagne caramel taste right off the bat. Alcohol followed right after. Then raisons, fig & brown

m= A little acidic, the taste overwhelms that fact.

d= would definitely be able to enjoy more than one. Although you would want another BA near you, way too many flavors in this beer for one person to determine.

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Photo of blitz134
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Well...its my 24th b-day today...and this beer had its 2nd b-day yesterday...I thought it was fitting that I had this today...

Dark garnet color, obvious floaties drift around. Really no head on the pour, only an offwhite ring around the glass. The beer sparkles in the glass. Looks nice...

Dark fruit aromas raisin, fig and plum, hints of cherries. Alcohol is obvious. Toasted malt aromas come in later on and fill out the body of this beer. Great aroma...

This beer is still a bit hot, super alcoholic tasting but doesn't burn too much to turn me off to it. Lots to the taste. Toasted malts again come forth with some caramel sweetness. Dark fruits come out again, fig and plums. Finish is a bit of tobacco. Nicely done overall. This could use another year, although the alcohol might not ever dissapate.

Medium to full bodied mouthfeel. I'd like it to be a bit creamier. Overall a really tasty beer. Complex aroma and taste. A bit hot still, but tolerable. Good overall.

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Photo of Gusler
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Upon its release the beer sets in the glass a beclouded ruby red with a personable creamy light tan head that slowly evaporates leaving an admirable sheet of lace. Nose has a bit of muskiness with sweet malt, hints of caramel, delectable this nose, sweet at the start, grain profile perfect and the top middling in its feel. Finish has a determined acidity, the hops spicy and enjoyable, the after taste dry, with a nice bit of tummy warming, a total hit with me, and a must try.

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Photo of mentor
4.75/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Hand-carried home to Colorado by my lovely wife. How cool is that. Pours a thin layer of tan head over a clear red-brown liquid. During the pour is smelled chocolate and sweet riding a clean alcohol. To the nose it's plum, raisin, toffee, cherry. Similar to a belgian dark without the phenolic edgy funk. Leather, oak and tobacco. Really inticing...this has *got* to taste delicious.

Tastes phenomenal. Chocolate, brown sugar, nutty, toffee, with hints of sherry. A bit of plum, fig, vanilla and some caramel. Woody dry. Almost comes across as oaky. But wet sweet while in the mouth due to the thick body. Hot from alcohol, but not a bit of alcohol flavor. Dry aftertaste has a rough grassy character that I think comes from the alcohol. Thick mouthfeel with very modest carbonation. This beer was wonderful as a snipper. I would eagerly accept another.

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Photo of Brian700
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle from trbeer
11% ABV

Pours a dark garnet color with a tan head that settles down to a thin layer. Some lacing but not a bunch.

The aroma is great. Heavy molasses and dark fruit ( figs, raisins)

The flavor is also of heavy molasses, figs, dates, raisins. Must be maris otter malt because of the striking resemblance to Thomas Hardy. There is some alcohol presence giving it a warming sensation. This is a top notch beer.

The mouthfeel is full bodied with medium carbonation. Coats the mouth nicely and the flavor last long after the swallow.

This is a very drinkable beer and I MUST get my hands on some more. I highly recommend it.

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Photo of Dithyramb
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottled on 2-16-05, best before 2011.
Poured deep dark cloudy brown with a wisp of tan head.
Dark molasses and rummy raisin aromas.
Both come through in a hearty, syrupy brew. Maybe some green hops, but mostly burnt malts here. Dark fruit and booze on the finish. Medium to heavy sweet mouthfeel leaves one wanting more. Enjoyed while watching the sunset, would like more.

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Photo of oberon
4.37/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottled on 2-16-05,best before 2011.Poured a deep chesnut brown with well formed light brown one finger head that leaves a trace amount of lace as it settled quickly.Oh the aromas so rich and decadent,nutty and portish with anise notes and caramel and alcohol dipped dark fruit.Chewey mouthfeel very pleasurable,where to begin flavor wise,those tawny port notes and quite raisiny upfront slowly merging into a nutty,woody finish I also noticed a touch of herbal hop toward the end as well wich was suprising and nice.Hmm this is a gem here would age incredibly just awesome.

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Photo of assurbanipaul
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

Pours a hazy brown with a little ring of a head. Aroma is big and sweet, like a malty maple syrup.

Taste is robust. Lots of caramelized malt, maybe even flavors of roasted meat (duck?). Sweet butterscotch, cream butter, maple syrup, light indistinct hop bitterness. A hint of smoke, maybe cigarette ash, peat, fruity like a merlot, more maple syrup again. No flavors of alcohol, but you can feel the heat if you hold it on the palate.

Mouthfeel is heavy like a barleywine but smooth like a scotch. Shares a lot of elements with a nice aged scotch, especially when warmed slightly. Dances around both the barleywine and fine Scottish ale styles. I agree with the others, a bold and tremendous flavor profile that, strangely, hurts its drinkability (too intense?). But me likey, and it would be great to age.

Label says bottled on 08-01-04, 11% ABV.

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Photo of xgrigorix
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Twelve ounce brown bottle. Brewed on date, along with best by 2011.

Deep rudy chestnut brown. Thin whisp of a beige coloured head. No lace.

Smells like caramel dipped apples that have been marinating in port. Also a slight solvent smell.

Toffe and caramel abound. Intense malt. Comples with a pleasant fruitiness. Finishes off-dry, without becoming cloying. Warms the throat on the way down. Viscous, full bodies elixer with very relaxed carbonation. An excellent adventure.

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Photo of hoppymeal
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow, Kuhnhenn knows old ale. This beer pours a dark brown color with hints of a deep red in the light. There is no head no matter how rapid I pour it and a low level of carbonation. Rich sugary caramel and prune aromas let me know I am in for a treat. Light bitterness in present in the taste but it is balanced and overpowered by the sweet rich malty flavors. The alcohol is so well balanced it is barely discernible, just a warming in the back of the throat in the finish. A sipper for sure, this beer is a very fine example of one of my favorite styles.

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Photo of shbobdb
3.95/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

This beer is caramel coffee. What a delightful idea! I think I will start my day out with that tomorrow, caramel coffee.
Rich and sweet, with a definate coffee/bitter chocolate presence rounded off with deep prunes and Kirschwasser.
This is a mighty tastey beer. There are hops in this brew . . . somewhere, but they are so dominated by the malts in the flavour profile that you really only notice it when you either smell the beer (where it is mixed with beautiful malts and booze) or in the lingering aftertaste.
Even the mouthfeel is nice. Thin, yet round. Very tastey. I really like it.
The booze is still a little too present, though. The one mark against an amazing beer. The goodness wins out over the badness though.
Yummy.

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Photo of Crosling
4.15/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12’er. Burning forest in color. Rich, somwhat vinous, malt accented nose with hints of chocolate, plums, figs and molasses. Soft carbonation. Rich malty flavor, reminiscent of chocolate, fruits (raisins, plums) and a touch of toffee. Light on the palate with unfortunately, a fairly watery texture, but the flavor is still extremely delicious.

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Photo of proc
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours out to a dark red to almost ruby color in the glass with a slight head. The aroma is that of a light liquer. The taste is excellent, with traces of plums, bourbon and molasses coming to the forefront. A winter warmer for sure and a well-crafted beer that makes you appreciate the brewer's craft.

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Photo of BigDaddyWil
3.8/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Purchased a growler for $15 at the Kuhnhenn brewery.
The Fourth Dimentia release party was on Jan 21 2006.
The beer menu states that Fourth Dimentia has an abv of 13.5%
Poured from a growler into a New Belgium tulip glass.

I sampled this at the brewery and just had to take this home. Its too bad they are not bottling this brew. Pours a very dark amber color. Just a faint amount of light can pass through. Bright ruby highlights along the outside of my glass. Absolutely no lacing, but has an oily, syrupy consistency about it. Heavy aroma of molasses, malt, candy, and dark fruits. Nice taste, very sweet, a combination of molasses, candy and maybe apple cider. It leaves with a slight alcohol burn. Slick, smooth mouthfeel and finishes slighly dry. Drinkability is tough due to the high alcohol content. Don't get me wrong, this brew has an awesome taste. But, after one glass I already have a buzz going, and I have a growler of this stuff. Looks like this will be an early night. A must try if you can get to Michigan!!!

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Photo of MaltyGoodness
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz. bottle brewed on 8/1/04 and best before 2010. Labels lists this as 11% ABV. Bottle provided by Frozensoul327.

Pours a dark chestnut brown with a white head that fades to a ring around the inside of the glass. Sparse lacing.

Smells sweet and malty with an ample amount of hops. I get some light nutty and chocloatey tones mixed in as well. A hint of booze ecapes now and then just to remind you that it's 11% ABV.

Sweet and malty upfront with some nice caramel and chocolate undertones. A nice bitter wave of hops rushes in for a monent and then actually finishes rather sweet. A MONSTER flavor, not for the weak of palate.

Big fat belly on this girl. I wouldn't expect less, with such a big flavor.

Rather drinkable for such a big beer. I probably consumed the bottle a little too quickly....

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Photo of Higravity
3.8/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

Well this is a definate snifter beer, the tighter the lip on the glass the better. Garnet coloring with a mild head that is gone fast. Smells of alcohol right up front but there are a lot of others things in there as well including maple, dark fruit, ripe melon, and apples like green apples. The taste is burning from the start with the alcohol but like a good scotch or brandy it only scours the tastes buds to open them up for all the taste coming afterwards. Heady malt complexity with a slight hint of char and raisins, there are some bitter hops but no flavor and again a weird green apple finish that I would call an of flavoring. I think this could have used a little more oxidation overall. The mouthfeel suffers due to the high alcohol feel the taste was fine but the burning in my throat made it a little hard. A good sipper while the weather is whatever outside.

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Photo of MuddyFeet
3.28/5  rDev -23%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

This beer is so lifeless it reminds me of death and graveyards. Absolutely flat but it does not really take away from the appearance or mouthfeel. Brown with a bit of red in that there glass. No head, no bubbles. Could not get much from the nose even though I dug my nose way down in the glass.

Nice and sweet with lots of raisins going on. Malts are very mellow and earthy. Alcohol comes out at the end a bit--but not overly. Honestly, this beer is a bit one dimensional and kind of drab. Kind of like when you realize after the paint has dried that you picked out the wrong color for the walls. Fine and drinkable but just kind of boring and uninteresting.

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Photo of OldFrothingSlosh
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12 oz. bottle courtesy of Frozensoul327. Brewed on 08-01-04. Best before 2010.

Color is a chunky-murky deep brown with amber notes. Despite the aggressive pour, there's little, if any, head to speak of. Just a tiny ring of tan froth 'round the edges. Aromas step up with a wonderfully-balanced blend of dark fruit, candied sugar, some extract of vanilla, and some oaken notes. Flavor is so very mellow. Delicate pattern of the dark druits again, drizzled with melted caramel sugar. Some vinous notes seep in towards the middle and are cleansed away by the bitterness mingled with brown sugar sweetness mixed with Heath bar chunks. Where is the alcohol in this bad boy? Only glimpses can be detected. Extremely smooth on the palate. The low levels of carbonation really "thicken" this up. One to definitely savor on this cold winter's night.

Extreme thanks to Frozensoul327 for this true gem.

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Photo of Fugazme
4.35/5  rDev +2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

bottled: 8-01-04

Pours a great, deep brown. Slight head... swirls and goes, but decent. A beer with legs and no lacing.

Aroma is great. Maple, alcohol, roasted malts, sugary, caramel, caramel and caramel. Dried fruit.

Taste is very, very good. Biscuity and caramel-like. Slight alcohol burn. Fruity.

Mouthfeel is somewhat oily and full. Sweet and delicous.

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Photo of connecticutpoet
4.85/5  rDev +13.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Bottled 8-1-04, best before 2010. 11% ABV. Seems like the one most people have been reviewing recently.

This one poured into my chalice a clear, deep ruby red, with absolutely no head. An extremely thin line of foam was evident where the ale met the glass.

Aroma was incredibly complex. Sweet dark fruits, oaken notes, and a rich malt core. There was a little tang of alcohol. Excellent.

Taste... WOW! I am not a huge fan of old ales, but this one was incredible! I loved Adam, but this one blew it away. Dark fruits, rich lightly roasted malts, and definite sweetness. Alcohol was present but restrained, in perfect proportion.

Mouthfeel was thick, rich, and syrupy. It coated the tongue with flavor and held it there.

Drinkability was wonderful. I would gladly have two or three of these at a sitting, and pace myself accordingly. This one just got better as it warmed in the glass. I could see myself enjoying this one again and again, were it available in my area.

Hearty thanks to Erik in Michigan for the trade!

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Photo of dirtylou
4.4/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12oz single, got this bottle from CRJMellor in a trade, label says best before 2010 so I think I am good

Ah, my first kuhnhenn beer ever. How exciting!

appearance: quite murky, a distinct mahogany/amber color, light bubbling head and lacing.

smell: aromas of deep dark fruit with some alcohol soakage, caramel malty core, woody.

taste: quite a nice old ale...alcohol is definately present and the hop bitterness is dead on. lots of earthy/woody notes thoughout...dark fruit and berries are key components

mouthfeel: extraordinarily smooth up until the bite of hop bitterness in the aftertaste, outstanding

drinkability: very drinkable

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Photo of Rastacouere
3.86/5  rDev -9.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Superb creamy egg shell head. Dark copper pour. Very sweet nose contains heavy brown sugar notes. French toast maple and bready richness form a sweetened candi sugar base among which the vegetal, barky and leafy hints are envelopped. Strong earthy vinous character, cognac-like smooth alcohol burn. Heavy toasted malts bring forth smoky tones that are later replaced by almost roasted grains. Complex fruitiness, very sweet, perhaps too much so, but it’s just admirable how many elements come and go before it’s over. Full bodied, smooth soft carbonation. Could be a bit drier, couldn’t be a bit more decadent.

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Photo of rousee
4.47/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Oh boy, this is noticeably high on the abv. Many thanks to Erik in Michigan for the sample. My wife likes this one too. Very dark muddy fudgy top with only a slight slice at the bottom of the glass of amber ale.

What a malt bomb this is. It is so sweet and delicious that it would take all the hop heads and convert them instantly to malt. A little like Aventinus but not as banana-esque. It is very close to a barleywine and although I don't care too much for barleywines--this thing is fantastic. Tasting notes are caramel syrup, and a nice barley-grainish finish. There are some hops but they don't warrant mention here. You wanna know what the best maltbomb is--this might be it !!!

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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