Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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Photo of mtbdonn
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%

Photo of my_knew_craft
4.16/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Photo of jaasen64
4/5  rDev -6.1%

Photo of ldhughes3
4/5  rDev -6.1%

Photo of GrindFatherBob
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%

Photo of spointon
4.55/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I poured this one from a 12oz brown bottle into a tulip pint glass.

A= This old ale poured a caramel/cola/brown color with a towering fluffy 2.5" tan head. The head took a while to settle, and wound up retaining a 1/4" cap all the way down. Some nice sticky lace clung to my glass as each sip disappeared and the beer sank lower and lower.

S= Wow, this thing threw out some crazy good aromas of rich sweet malt, wood, caramel, raisin, fruity esters, and quite a bit of spicy alcohol.

T= The up front flavors were a heady mix of caramel malt sweetness, treacle, ripe dark fruits (plums, cherries, raisins), and honey. Through the middle a solid oaky dryness and bitter English hops took the edge off most of that sweetness without conquering it completely. The finish was long, rich, and full of warming alcohol. Aftertaste was all oak and alcohol. Superb!

MF= Full bodied and though this had a fairly big carbonation level it never felt too sharp. Nice slick tongue-coating feel.

D= This is an excellent beer deserving of its praise. It reminded me of the first time I ever had an Ayinger Celebrator Dopplebock and how that changed the way I saw that style. While I cannot say I could or would want to session this beer, it was very drinkable for such a huge ABV. Would make a perfect cold weather sipper or nightcap anytime of the year.

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Photo of dataylor21
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Photo of CrellMoset
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

UPDATE: 09/07/2009, bottle courtesy of goryshkewych. Thanks to a great BA. 2008 vintage. A few notes:

* This bottle is raging infected, but there's still a lot of good stuff here. I really, really, really wish Kuhnhenn would fix their damn infection issues.

* I'm gonna knock the appearance up to a 4.0, but that's mostly probably based on the fact that the (infected) head on this one has some amazing lift and staying power. However, the lacing is also pretty nice, too, so I assume the head would have been impressive on a regular bottle.

* Still tons of good stuff here - sweet cherries, coffee, toast, caramel, dark toffee, earth, and coconut come through, some more in the aroma, others more strongly in the taste, and though I have a feeling that a certain amount of moderate tartness that is present is imparted by an unwelcome friend, it's still solid.

* My dream is to one day try a complete bottle of this that is not infected. But I'm not holding my breath.

2008 vintage, enjoyed at the Sexual Chocolate release, 2009, Winston Salem, NC. Enjoyed in a sampling glass.

Appearance: A hazed reddish brown with minimal head and only a thin, white collar. Probably about what you'd expect from a brew of this abv% - 11.8%, this vintage. The carbonation is faint, very slow. This brew is approximately the color of the lockers at my law school - that is, way too expensive looking, cherrywood mahogany-esque.

Aroma: Brown sugar and molasses dominate, with cherry notes a close second, and the two blend very well together. It's slightly medicinal, but heavily fruity, heavy-smelling, with notes of pear and apple skin. A few spicy notes as well.

Taste: Very nice. Cherry cough syrup is the first thing me and many others tasting it thought of, but in a good way. There's also pear notes, as well as tons of heavy, well roasted notes, brown sugar, maple syrupy, honey. A few green apple notes mingle pleasantly with some complex spices.

Mouthfeel: Thick, syrupy, heavy, with minimal carbonation resulting in a smooth and even mouthfeel with the slightest prickle.

Drinkability: This is one big bold beer, flavorful and intense. I'd love to try a whole bottle of this one sometime (and so it shall remain on my wants), but I'm very glad to have tried this portion thanks to a very generous fellow beer advocate (perhaps not a BA - we were in mixed website company, after all). A truly tasty and well-made beer, and though I have to knock it down a few points on drinkability due to the ~12% abv (not the 9.5% listed here, though I know Kuhnhenn does change its abv%s constantly), I can't in good faith knock it down too far - it's just too good!

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4.25/5  rDev -0.2%

Photo of crossovert
4.3/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Vintage.

It pours a dark brown, more or less black with a fizzy and small light tan head. It quickly fizzes away with just a few specks of lacing. Kind of expected at this abv, but yet some brewers manage to produce beers with decent heads at this abv.

The smell is good. There is a noticeable old ale base. The bourbon and oak aren't overpowering but still highly noticeable. There is a huge amount of dark fruits and a hint of soy.

The taste is rich with bourbon and dark fruits. Really deep dark fruit notes. The bourbon adds a bit of alcohol, vanilla, and caramel. It isn't too alcoholic in the taste though, not too hot. It warms the tummy for sure though. It feels like you are drinking a liqueur rather than a beer taste-wise.

This is a beer that combines the best aspects of an old ale with some really good barrel notes. I would recommend tracking down a bottle.

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Photo of farrago
4.4/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

You get a good two fingers at first of light tan, creamy foam, mostly microfoam with a pile here or there of larger bubbles, above average retention with a brush of lacing here or there. Unusual clarity for the category with a deep cherry red veneer, only a very slight fade to more base orange around the rims, highly attractive. The nose unfolds at a langorous pace, layers of candied nuts, caramel, toffee, brown sugar, baker's chocolate as well as prune, black raisin, cherry, apricot fruit, elusive smokiness and mossy notes, displays a great deal of power without clumsiness. Full-bodied and then some, covers every mouth pore like rubber glue. Given its texture and overall sweetness, does stay notably fresh and in movement. Avalanche of caramel, toffee, crème brûlée, butterscotch, chocolate, brown sugar, you name it. Maraschino cherry, poached apricot, golden raisin, prune, fig fruit. Candied tangerine citrus adds more sweet and sour. Carbonation behaves like a lava lamp. An edge of peat moss, charcoal, tar pulls it back from the precipice of oversweetness. Even as it warms keeps its balance, although you do suspect you could light the surface with a match. No port handy, drink this beer.

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4.1/5  rDev -3.8%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4

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4.25/5  rDev -0.2%

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4.5/5  rDev +5.6%

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3.5/5  rDev -17.8%

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5/5  rDev +17.4%

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4.5/5  rDev +5.6%

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4.5/5  rDev +5.6%

Photo of mntlover
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Brewed 08-01-04 Best before 2010 so all is good. Bottle says 11%

Pours a deep burgandy color hints of brown with a one finger tan head that falls quickly.

Aroma is nice sweet caramel dipped grapes, raisins and apples very pleasant so smooth inviting hides the alcohol so well.

Taste is loads of caramel big full but not cloying at all, fruity grapes, raisins and plums what seems like pear but I think its the hops announcing themselves because it mellows out to a herbal earthy like bitterness. This one is nice so smooth caramel sweetness but no real sugary mess that sometimes happpens. As it warms to rooom temp some light alcohol bite and smokiness is noticed but mingles to perfection. So much going on in this one wish I had more to sample.

Mouthfeel is big feels full as it sits in the mouth, velvety soft very nice.

Drinkability well where can I get more, this could kill so nice easy to enjoy ah the caramel and lingering bitterness. Want to thank cretemixer for this treat.

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Photo of orbitalr0x
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle pours into my glass a hazy ruddy brown hue with notes of red. A small cream colored head shows up and then disappears just as quickly. Aromas of big, dense caramel malts. Sweet dark candied fruits mix in alongside a slightly roasted character. Piney, herbal hops are still apparent in the background. There's a bit of toffee and some spiciness in there as well. Smells rich and inviting.

First sip brings a rush of rich caramel malt along with plenty of dark candied fruits. Cherry, plum and grape notes move in along with an overall sweetness. Some toffee, raisin and a light cocoa as it moves down. This flows into a bit of herbal, slightly piney hop flavor that brings a touch of bitterness with it. Finishes with a lingering sweet caramel malt flavor. Alcohol is warming but well hidden. This is a great big, malty brew.

Mouthfeel is viscous and a bit slick from the sweetness. Not as heavy as I was expecting. Mellow carbonation that works well with the overall brew. This one is a sipper for sure. One bottle does the job in a sitting and this would make a good apertif. This is another tasty Kuhnhenn brew that is worth seeking out. This bottle was brewed on 8-1-04 and still holding up quite well.

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Photo of CraftFan5
4.16/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 5 | overall: 4

Photo of mentor
4.75/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Hand-carried home to Colorado by my lovely wife. How cool is that. Pours a thin layer of tan head over a clear red-brown liquid. During the pour is smelled chocolate and sweet riding a clean alcohol. To the nose it's plum, raisin, toffee, cherry. Similar to a belgian dark without the phenolic edgy funk. Leather, oak and tobacco. Really inticing...this has *got* to taste delicious.

Tastes phenomenal. Chocolate, brown sugar, nutty, toffee, with hints of sherry. A bit of plum, fig, vanilla and some caramel. Woody dry. Almost comes across as oaky. But wet sweet while in the mouth due to the thick body. Hot from alcohol, but not a bit of alcohol flavor. Dry aftertaste has a rough grassy character that I think comes from the alcohol. Thick mouthfeel with very modest carbonation. This beer was wonderful as a snipper. I would eagerly accept another.

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4/5  rDev -6.1%

Photo of nlmartin
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

This is the 2010 version. The beer was chilled and served in a snifter.

Appearance: The body of the beer is a clear chestnut coloration. The head is a thin white coloration. The head quickly resolved to a ring of foam.

Smell: The aroma of well toasted and roasted malts combine to produce a beer heavy on toffee and caramel aromas, cocoa dipped and slightly burnt marshmellow as the beer continues to warm up dark fruit smells emerge. Plenty of bourbon aroma to the nose.

Taste: The flavor of the beer gives out a lot of toffee, caramel, almost butterscotch, raisins, plums and figs rise out of the middle of all this sweet malt. The fruity nature continues to develop as the beer warms. The alcohol is a tiny bit warm but helps to break up sweetness.

Mouthfeel: The body of the beer is medium. The carbonation is moderate. The alcohol peaks its head up and says hello in a warming fashion. Again the alcohol keeps the beer from heading into the cloying level.

Overall: The beers character is very enjoyable. I am sitting on a couple more bottles and hope to see what a little time does for this beer.

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4.25/5  rDev -0.2%

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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