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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
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Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States | website

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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4.26
pDev:
9.15%
 
 
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Photo of darklordlager
3.6/5  rDev -15.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 3.5

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (Olde Ale 2008 Brewery Aged)
Received in a trade with Randalld quite a while ago--thanks Randall!

A: Pours with a very small amount of carbonation, a light brown with garnet hints. I think a bit of yeast may have slipped by, as I was not aware it was bottle conditioned.
3.5

S: Rich figs, dark fruit, caramel, bread pudding, alcohol. Licorice notes, and a small amount of oxidation. Maple, as it warms.
3.5

T: Layered caramel, cake-y, bready, soy sauce, salty, licorice. Butterscotch/maple syrup emerges as it warms.
3.5

M: Very thin, with very low carbonation. I would have like to see a bit more of each.
2.5

D: Hides the alcohol like a dream, but the lack of body and carbonation make it less than it could be in my opinion.
3.5

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Photo of CoolJosh
4.6/5  rDev +8%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Huge ups to ma main man treyrab diggity.

This beer looks amazing with it's bottle shape figure. Pours a decadent wooded dark brown. A huge light yellow creamy head really adds to the appetizing factor of this beer.

This. beer. smells. so. good. A heavily roasted hazlenut and caramel matched with vanilla alludes to this beers depth and complexity. As Trey pointed out, there is a nice funky element that was present in Kuhnhenn's Triple Bock. This beer is just as enjoyable in the taste. So smooth yet highly carbonated. The roasted flavors carry well and really take this beer to the next level. I'll file this beer under incredible beers that I will never get to try again...

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Photo of hopsbreath
4.17/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to GraniteSkunk for a bottle of this! 2009 batch. 12oz bottle poured into my pair of Portsmouth snifters and shared with TulipSnifter.

A: Tobacco hued with good clarity, some dark brown floaties, good finger and a half of beige head, leggy, good looking beer, my fault for not decanting better. 4/5

S: Was this really the -bal version? Sweet dark booze with a strong dose of fig dominates the aroma. Notes of sherry promise well aged old ale to come. It's one of those beers I could sniff for days. 4.5/5

T: Warming alcohol bites first. Sweet cocoa, dried stone fruits, toast, caramel, and some tart notes make for a very tasty beer. I just had an Adam yesterday. The smoke from that is missed here. 4/5

M: Great body; not too thick, not too thin. Smooth and gliding on the palate with very little carbonation. Sticky sweet finish, but it's an old ale... That's what I expect.

O: It's not quite Adam, but it's still damn good. 4/5

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Photo of oregone
3.63/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark amber. Good, prodigious (surprisingly so) light cream head with solid retention.
S: Traecle, molasses and alcohol. Good, but little beyond the sweet caramelized flavors, and the booze was aparent.
T:Smell specific. Boozy in a not subtle way, though somewhat expected. Lots of dark caramel and molasses. Some caramelized orange peel and more brandy dessert flavors.
M: Best part of the brew. Carbonaion kept the huge viscocity fresh. Thick and rich but not tiresome. Sticky on the lips, but fresh on the palate.
O: Good. Would drink again, albeit not search it out. A dessert beer for sure and perhaps the size wasn't matched with enough complexity or balance for me. I love big brew, but this wasn't exciting.

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Photo of franksnbeans
4.4/5  rDev +3.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours out a muddy mohogany with a ruby hue. Big creamy head that dies quick to a thin layer with full sheets of lace throughout. Smell is very sweet and creamy. Dried dark fruit, plumb, fig, cherry, some raspberry, toffee and caramel. Taste starts a little syrupy with the fruits showing then the caramel and toffee shine through then take over the palate. Finishes a little dry. Creamy, thick and smooth as silk in the mouth. A definite sipper with its ABV that serves as a treat but no more than one per sitting. Definitely worth seeking out.

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Photo of comfortablynumb1
4.17/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Reviewed from notes

Another awesome bottle courteous of a great trader. Thanks Andrew!

12oz bottle

2010

A - Pours cherrywood with a one finger khaki head that dissipates at a good pace. Lacing is minimal...

S - Caramel, fig, raisin, cherry, and other sweet fruits. Not picking much in the way of alcohol. Nice...

T - Lots of caramel, fig, and molasses up front. Dark fruits come through in the finish. Raisin lingers in the aftertaste. There is alot going on here, but sweeet malt is definitely the driving force. Alcohol is well disguised...

M - Thick and syrupy. Carbonation is very light...

O - Really nice representation of the style. Alcohol comes across really smooth. Hoping to score on the BA version sometime in the near future...

Cheers...

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Photo of cooncat
3.58/5  rDev -16%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Serving was on tap at the Brew Kettle's 2008 Ogre Fest (Strongsville, OH.)

Appearance is a deep garnet color of good clarity. Minimal head and lacing, which is to be expected for a beer of this strength.

Unfortunately, this was not served in the proper glassware to extract a good sense of the true nose. What I got was light, but decidedly fruity with faint notes of alcohol. The taste is of dark fruits; raisins and plums come to mind. Supposedly, this has a 30 IBU rating, but those hops are completely hidden by the full bodied fruitiness of the sweet malts. The sweetness is almost to the point of being cloying, but doesn't cross the line ... but only by the closest margin. The sweet fruity flavor last to the end, at which time the alcohol makes a showing in some warmth. This is hard to make out as an Old ale, when it is so close to a Strong Ale and/or a barleywine. The sweetness would make for a fine after dinner drink, but I don't think you could do more than one.

An interesting offering, and Kuhnhenn certainly has produced yet another 'extreme' beer in the 4th Dimentia. Worth seeking out and trying.

Cheers

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Photo of SaucyA
3.95/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

2007. Cellar temp.

A - Poured into a Kuhnhenn tulip. Deep, dark brown with a lovely 1 finger, light tan head. Lots of bubbles ride the glass. Fantastic frothy lace. Noticeable carbonation dies down quickly, yet head never fades.

S - So nice... and very Kuhnhenn. There are a few smells that come to be commonplace in their big brews. Deep malt base, coupled with fruity esters. Raisins, molasses, alcohol.

T - Super roasty malts, big alcohol finish, noticeable hop bittering as well as bitter roasted malts. Slight coffee affects, as well as molasses. Melted bittersweet chocolate. Sweet, slightly sour, slightly bitter... will knock your tastebuds around.

M - I wouldn't mind if it were thicker. The carbonation and creaminess are on point, just seems like it could use a little more viscosity.

D - One and done. I love Fourth Dementia, but having more than one glass is asking for it.

Notes: This is a fine brew, but Ola Dubh 16 and Adam are both a little better from the bottle. Fourth Dementia is a bit better on tap.

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Photo of MarcatGSB
4.27/5  rDev +0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

BIG props to friend BA abanton. Adam and I met at FoBab, and he sent me a box a week later with some goodies in it. Thanks man! 2010 Vintage, poured from bottle into Founder's Snifter (keep it in MI)

Appearance: Vigorous pour reveals a rather chestnut brown color with a beautiful 2 finger head, dissipating slowly, leaving some nice sticky looking lacing running down the glass.

Smell: The smell is awesome. The glass is brimming with aromas of vanilla, dark ripe fruit, caramel, and toffee. Big molasses and maple syrup with some bright cherry notes lingering in the background.

Taste: Wow, complex stuff. Really has alot going on. It's very sweet, with more of the molasses and caramel coming through...It's almost drying how sweet it is. Very malt foward, with that sweet malt providing alot of body, with some mild vanilla and smoke coming through.

Mouth: This is a sticky sweet ale. I'm not going to fault the beer for that, but it truly his a mouthful. True to style, minimal carbonation, sweet character.

Drink and overall: Definitely very drinkable for being such a high ABV. The alcohol is hidden well. It's extremely well crafted, and fairly well rounded. Probably the best Old Ale I have had in a very long time.

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Photo of gonzo46and2
4.75/5  rDev +11.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

Received in a trade from Hoppymeal.

Pours a deep mahogany brown with notes of red. Nice fizzy head despite the age.

Smell is very malty with dark fruits dominating. Cherries, figs, some toasty grain.

Taste is very nicely balanced sweet but not too sweet.

Mouthfeel is fantastic. It's got body but some of the softest carbonation that really lit up the palate.

Easily one of the best sippers out there.

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Photo of CWiggins
4.13/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

According to a tech sheet, provided by the bartender at Tyler's in Durham, the ABV for this brew is 13.5%.

I was given a sample of this beer by the bartender during my lunch visit to Tyler's this afternoon. Wow! What a beer! Old Ales are certainly favorites of mine, and this one ranks at the top of the versions I've sampled.

It came in a Kuhnhenn tulip glass, and was less than a pint; I'd guess it was 10 ounces. The color was dark brown, and the beige head was one-finger in width. The latter was short-lived, disintegrating into a thin lacing of bubbles around the edge of the glass in less than two minutes.

Not much of an aroma, but hints of dark, ripe fruits and sweet malts do sneak through. Oddly, I also picked up scents of alcohol; that's one characteristic I rarely discover through the nose!

The flavor is incredible. There is the strong, unmistakable presence of sweet, dark fruits, but they're balanced well by the dark malts. Essences of toffee, coffee, milk chocolate, plum, raison, and caramel can be found here. I found the maple syrup at the finish just amazing. It took a few swallows to figure out just what I was picking up there, but, sure enough, it became fairly evident soon enough. An amazing combination of flavors that finishes a little on the dry side. A silky smooth texture, combined with a medium to medium-low carbonation really aids in the "drinkability" factor with this one.

I really need to have another glass of this before it disappears. This is a rotating tap at Tyler's, soon to be replaced with Creme Brulee Java Stout by the same brewer. Enjoy, but sip and take it easy!

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Photo of tjthresh
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Pours brown with some nice reddish hues. There's a ring of dirty white foam around the edge. Bold nose with cherry pits, Werthers candies, Tootsie Rolls, and a bit of chewing tobacco. The flavor is rich with chocolate and chew. If they actually made chewing tobacco that tastes like this, I made pick it up again. Full body with just a bit of carbonation and a sweet finish. Very yummy stuff.

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Photo of CowsandBeer
4.34/5  rDev +1.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

12 oz bottle poured into a Bourbon County 15’ snifter. Thanks to RWNewhouse the long ago IP trade at 23d Street Brewery. 2010 bottle.
Appearance: A straight down the middle pour produces the thinnest of a khaki ring. Body is a brilliant dark ruby. Clear but not see through. Sudsy lacing with nice legs. Beer or port wine?
Aroma: Brown sugary malts, caramel, and toffee with a slight vinous edge. Light cardboard on the finish. Marshmallowy and a bit of chocolate. A smidge of a piney note as well. Smells sweet and malty for days.
Taste: Thankfully improving as it warms. Up front GIANT Werther's and marshmallow, raisin, figs, sticky sweet stone fruit, toffee, and a slight vinous edge. An odd savory/vegetal note I get sometimes in older beers. I’m glad I left this warm up as it really came together.
Mf: Slick with no carbonation and heavy body. Warming though not as much as you’d expect. Very sweet but a great fit for the taste.
Overall: A complete surprise in that I’ve never had a beer with this kind of profile at this age. Totally caught me off guard. Sweet toffee candy and caramel for days. Heavy feel with no carbonation. It is a little oxidized but still hanging in there. Total cellar dweller.

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Photo of macpapi
4.59/5  rDev +7.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Wow!! This is an unbelieveable beer. It begins by pouring a sludgy, brownish color. Has a small, and quickly dissipating tannish head. Overall the initial appearance is not as impressive as could be. However, other attributes more than make up for this shortcoming. Fourth Demetia has a deep and malty aroma. Hints of caramel and chocolate are followed by a slight hoppy undertone. It smells sweet and full. Very nice in the nose. The taste can be summed up by two words: sweetness galore. I can really distinguish the malt and caramel in this beer. A bit of an alcohol taste is present and hangs around afterward for a bit. But that doesn't bother me at all. Hops are also noticealbe. All and all this is a well balanced and nice taste. In the mouth this beer is full and biting. It is a very strong, heavy and formidable beer on the tongue. Overalll, K.F.D. is a sipper if there ever was one. It is boldly strong and extremely flavorful. This is a notable and deliciously substantial ale. A greet beer!!!

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Photo of BGDrock
4.76/5  rDev +11.7%
look: 3 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.75

Appearance: no head (might be the glass though), foggy dark brown like an americano

Aroma: fascinating, mystifying - raisin, prune, rich complex port; just beautiful!; perfume - slightly floral, over-ripe fruit like apple that's gone brown and rinkled (in a good way)

Taste & Mouthfeel: thick and oily; burnt caramel of the deepest kind, vanilla - like a more intense creme brulee; just a hint of burn in the finish - which goes on for days with simmered dark fruit flavour; hints of coffee bitterness; over time the alcohol becomes more prominent, as well as chocolate, coffee, burnt flavours, but still masterfully balanced with fruit and caramel

Overall: love when a beer has a undefinable, complex flavour that keeps you coming back for more, trying to reason what makes it so good - this is that and more; a must have and probably great aged a few years

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Photo of enfield249
4.37/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours deep red brown, with little to no head, small ring of off white foam around the edge of the glass.

S - Lots of roasty sweetness, molasses, spice and dark fruit.

T - Wow. Sweet, malty, and lots of dark fruit on the tail end.

M - Full, thick and cloying, just like an old ale should be.

D - A great beer, but most assuredly a sipper.

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Photo of klikger
4.64/5  rDev +8.9%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12 oz. bottle from 2009 served in a snifter

A - Very dark amber/red with almost no head. Lacing is minimal, save for a tiny ring floating atop this beautifully-hued ale.

S - Toffee, raisin, fig, and a little vanilla.

T - Surpasses the delicious nose from sip one, with caramel, dates, and no small bit of alcohol heat. As time passes, raisins, tobacco, brown sugar, molasses, and prunes are tasted, with the dried fruits featured prominently. The finish is both sweet and slightly bitter, ensuring that it doesn't grow cloying. This beer shares many flavors and characteristics with a good tawny port and is ideal as a digestif.

M - Very warm and no carbonation. The sweetness never becomes detrimentally syrupy, which amazes me.

D - Obviously a sipper, but not because it's hard to drink - I forced myself to take only small sips over an hour or so, as this is a rare treat and deserves to be enjoyed as such. However, the beer never required me to slow down due to being overbearingly sweet or strong. This is a huge beer; drinkability is great for what it is.

I'm a massive fan of Fourth Dementia - it's in my top 10 without a doubt. It absolutely explodes with flavor, and the blend is perfectly suited for my palate. If you like Old Ales, this should be near the top of your to-drink list.

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Photo of raznug
4/5  rDev -6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

This is a 2008 vintage
Appearance: It pours a cloudy reddish color topped with 1” of off white tight head that holds firm at a ¼”. There are chunks floating in the brew I think I forgot about the yeast settlings in the bottom of the bottle.
Smell: It smells of sweet malt and some alcohol. In the background you can smell toffee and caramel.
Taste: It tastes very sweet to start, there are bourbon notes, and toffee, caramel and alcohol are the major taste flavors in this brew. The sweetness is almost too much as the beer warms.
Mouthfeel: This is a beer that has a thickness to it that doesn’t dominate the palate but allows the flavor lingers nicely.

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Photo of mikeyv35
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Sample: 12oz. Bottle 2008 Vintage

Great pick for watching the Penguins win the cup.
Congratulations - huge win for the Burgh!
The new dynasty in hockey begins!

This brew poured a deep red/mahogany color w/ a one finger beige head. The lacing on this one was heavy and of small bubbles that diminished quickly and left a light film hanging on the glass for the remainder of the tasting. At first glance I thought it had more the appearance of a Belgian Quad than an Old Ale and seemed a little thin, but I was definately wrong. The nose was of tobacco, dates, figs, and raisins. The taste basically matched the nose - dried fruits up front and a finish of tobacco, slight hop bitterness, booze, and that prototypical Old Ale basement mustiness. As for drinkability, I could drink this all night being an English Barleywine man, and the 12% ABV was well hidden. The mouthfeel on this one was simply amazing! The brew was thick, creamy, chewy, but finished relatively clean due to the high ABV. Overall, this hands down was one of if not the best Old Ales I have ever had the pleasure of drinking, despite the initial out of style appearance.

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Photo of egajdzis
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured a hazy copper color with a thin, light tan head that left spotty lacing on the glass. Aroma of tangerine, citrus fruits, pine, caramel wiith some tobacco as well. Taste of pine, sticky caramel malts, with more tobacco, citrus fruits, and, light alcohol as well.

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Photo of BillyB
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Very interesting and complex beer.

Pours an almost reddish brown color with a thin, whispy, tan colored layer of foam.

Aromas of dark and dried fruits, wood, earth, mollasses, honey, caramel, toffee and spice. Some nutty, alcohol and slight oxidation is noticeable as well.

Tastes of big malty sweetness followed by an impressive bitterness (not what I had expected) that helps with the balance. Some nutty, caramel and mollasses flavors. Woody alcohol.

Mouthfeel is medium to full with a chewy body, nice alcohol warmth and a sweet finish.

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Photo of fear025
5/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

2009 vintage.

Aroma:Tons of sweet malt in the aroma. Also dark fruits, caramel, and molasses. There is a little alcohol aroma coming thru.

Appearance:Dark reddish brown in color. Light tan colored head that doesn't stick around very long.

Taste:The foretaste has lots of caramel malty deliciousness, with some dark fruits, and a hint of chocolate. In the midtaste thru the aftertaste the flavors turn more molasses and dessert-wine like (sherry or port). The aftertaste finishes sweet.

Mouthfeel:Full body, lots of alcohol warmth, medium carbonation.

Drinkability:This beer is right on in terms of style, and deliciously rendered. There is a ton of complexity in all aspects of this beer.

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Photo of Frosty80
5/5  rDev +17.4%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Color: pours clear, light brown with reddish hue. sits deep ruby with brown highlights. head is very thin but very creamy with tight bubbles

Smell: intense, rich malt sweetness with luscious caramel and toffee, followed by notes of dried, dark fruit and molasses. alcohol is obvious but not solventy. a hint of oxidation is also present as is some nuttiness

Taste: first wave to hit the palate is more of a tsunami of rich maltiness. kettle caramelization is full and chewy. alcohol is very warming but still yields slightly to a dark fruit character, and hints of molasses, toffee and nuttiness. finish is slightly sweet despite a light bitterness and alcohol nip. light oxidation is also found mingling in between the flavors

Mouthfeel: rich, chewy full body with smooth, light-medium carbonation

Notes: BIG old ale. probably the most exemplary version of the style i have had. cannot find one thing wrong with this beer. one of my first beers from this highly-spoken of brewery and i look forward to the rest

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Photo of cetherid
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

poured into a tulip

A.

Beer is a dark brownish color with ruby highlights coming out from the light. Almost looks like a dark maple syrup color. Head was about 1 fingers worth of off-white before dissipating into a thin film.

S.

A relatively complex (but great) nose in this one. Big aroma of sweet caramel and dark fruits. Some molasses and brown sugar, with a hint of booze. Beer kind of reminds me of a Trappist quad.

T.

Caramel and toffee covered dark fruits...almost like a gourmet candy/candy bar but not overpoweringly sweet as one. Picking up some subtle fruity wine notes in this as well. A little booze in the taste (expected of course), but not as potent as I'd expect from a 13%+ beer.

M.

about medium bodied...carbonation a little low, but might be appropriate for the style. A slight dry finish which seems typical with the wine-like qualities of this beer.

O.

A great overall beer. A little difficult to find (as well as pricey) which knocks this down a bit. I have a bottle of the BA version that I've been meaning to try but I only have 1 bottle so I'm saving it for a special occasion. This beer is a solid sipper

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Photo of BilbosNuts
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to DavoleBomb for hooking me up with this extra in a trade.

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter.

A: Pours a beautiful garnet color that is on the purple side. There is a small white ring that sits on top. Limited carbonation bubbles rise to the top providing a lightly active appearance.

S: Strong dark fruits of plum, raisins, and figs commence the aroma. Sweet brown sugar and and earthiness finish it off. A light touch of alcohol finishes it off.

T: Similar to the aroma, but the dark fruits found in the nose are a bit limited in the taste. The sweetness from sugar comes through much more and the alcohol is hidden very well.

M: Medium bodied and lightly carbonated. A minor bite with the alcohol, but it is very limited.

O: I'm a big fan of old ales and this one is quite good. No major complaints here. Solid all around. Highly recommended.

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
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