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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States | website

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Reviews:
450
Ratings:
1,036
Avg:
4.26
pDev:
13.62%
 
 
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Reviews: 450 | Ratings: 1,036
Photo of garthwaite
4.97/5  rDev +16.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Sampled from a 12 oz bottle. This brew poured from the bottle like thick syrup - a deep, dark, murky brown-red-purple with a slight tan head which eventually reduced to a few constantly swirling bubbles. I smelled this beast of a brew the second the cap came off. As intense an aroma as I've ever come across & a delightful one at that. Massive dark fruit notes are everywhere as powerful caramel & burnt burgundy cherries collide with dulled spicy hops & oaken woodiness to overpower the senses. From the moment it hit my lips I was in heaven. This extremely sweet, but perfect balanced brew overloaded my palate with pounds of dark chocolate & rich caramel. More delicious flavors of chocolate covered burgundy cherries, vanilla, and molasses compliment the mild spicy hops & notes of oak. Warming alcohol makes its presence felt from the start & only adds to the intense appeal of this brew. Minimally carbonated, but extraordinarily full bodied, this bad boy fills & coats the mouth like maple syrup. Finishes with some tartness, burnt molasses, & toffee. Aftertaste lasted for hours, though I wish it was days. Liquid heaven.

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Photo of gnemesis
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into snifter on 4/11. The body is a dark brown with almost ruby highlights. Topped with a dirty white/tan head. Good retention and slight lacing. The nose on this monster is amazing! Caramel, dark fruit, vanilla, and a touch of honey sweetness. Once it hits my lips I'm in love... the alcohol is well hidden and the caramel, dark fruit, and vanilla notes shine. I detect some slight earthiness that plays with the sweetness perfectly. Medium body and low carbonation. Overall this beer is great! My favorite old ale to date- I will find more to age.

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Photo of TheBlackMallard
4.25/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

07 Winter Solstice Batch 13.5%

Poured into my giant snifter. Dark Brown with a tan head that fades leaving behind some lacing.

Smell: Carmel, Rasins, Plums, Alcohol, and Toffee.

Taste: Earthy Hops, Brown Sugar, Dark Fruits, Followed by Bitterness and a Warming Alcohol finish. Syrupy and Heavy.

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Photo of mjyoung
4.05/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Thanks to scottfrie for this one.

A: The dark brown of a fine wood (mahogany) with absolutely no head and some definite booze stickiness. Nothing really stands out, but it does look good.

S: Sweet toffee and caramel. Almost overwhelmingly so. The usual hints of vanilla and dark fruit, but all I can think of is sugar. A little one note for me, but still good.

T: Yup, definitely sweet. Able to pin down the dark fruit that comes through in the finish, it's raisin. There's a lot of sugar, chocolate and something else slightly not as tasty. The bottle says marshmallows, which I'm not quite getting.

M: Hmm. Nice and syrupy. The mouthfeel is great with a nice medium body and a smooth finish. The booze is so nonexistent that I forgot to even mention it in the taste. Skillfully done.

O: Overall a pretty good beer. This isn't always my favorite style but Kuhnhenn did a good job.

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Photo of EnemyWithin
3.65/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2010 4D Olde Ale into Duvel tulip.

Appearance - 3

Red amber with very small creamy golden head, just forming a thin rim around the circumference.

Smell – 3.5

Very malty. Molasses, brown sugar, sticky sweet malt with notes candy sugar. Spicy aroma with booze notes.

Taste - 4

Starts with a caramel, toffee body with a presence of alcohol. Near the end, a spike of brown sugar and spice, with just a mild bitterness at the end. Get a fair amount of warmth from the alcohol, but not overly powerful. Flavours improves as beer warms and opns – flavours soften up and become much improved.

Mouthfeel – 3.5

Moderate thickness, a littly sticky, not really creamy. Wondering if the little carbonation is typical. A bit of astringency from the hops.

Overall - 4

A sipper, for sure! A nice beer that shows significant improvement as it warms up. Not a style that I've had before, but in many ways it reminds me of a barley wine. At first, put off but as I tasted it more, began to enjoy it. Would have again, especially during winter. Recommend.

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Photo of BigDaddyWil
3.8/5  rDev -10.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Purchased a growler for $15 at the Kuhnhenn brewery.
The Fourth Dimentia release party was on Jan 21 2006.
The beer menu states that Fourth Dimentia has an abv of 13.5%
Poured from a growler into a New Belgium tulip glass.

I sampled this at the brewery and just had to take this home. Its too bad they are not bottling this brew. Pours a very dark amber color. Just a faint amount of light can pass through. Bright ruby highlights along the outside of my glass. Absolutely no lacing, but has an oily, syrupy consistency about it. Heavy aroma of molasses, malt, candy, and dark fruits. Nice taste, very sweet, a combination of molasses, candy and maybe apple cider. It leaves with a slight alcohol burn. Slick, smooth mouthfeel and finishes slighly dry. Drinkability is tough due to the high alcohol content. Don't get me wrong, this brew has an awesome taste. But, after one glass I already have a buzz going, and I have a growler of this stuff. Looks like this will be an early night. A must try if you can get to Michigan!!!

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Photo of bradford
3.73/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle, 2007 version received in a trade from gkatsoris several months ago.
Pours a deep brown with reddish hues, almost opaque but a hint of light squeaks through the tulip glass just under the foam head. Off white foam with slowly dissipating lacing leaves the glass sticky after each sip.
Smells bready and nutty with hints of chocolate and carmel. No discernable hops or presence of alcohol in the nose.
Thick and creamy with a definite alcohol taste with a sweet and sticky finish.
Mouthfeel is very rich and creamy that finishes smooth and warms the mouth and throat.
Very easy drinking and an enjoyable experience.

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Photo of bozebus17
4.52/5  rDev +6.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 3.5

Had on-tap at the brewery.

Pours a very dark brown, almost black. There is an impressive tan head that doesn't last real long. I'm sure this is due to the high ABV. The lacing on the goblet is immense.

Smells very sweet; There are hints of caramel, toffee, and smokey notes. My mouth started watering at first sniff.

Tastes very very sweet. Roasted flavors are everywhere. There is a bittersweet finish. This beer is very creamy and heavy, almost a barley stew.

This is a great beer. It is the kind of beer that warms the heart and soul. I love it!

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Photo of mmapes
3.89/5  rDev -8.7%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.75

Big thanks to Andrew for the trade. We opened a 2012 vintage.

Pours cloudy, murky brown. Smells of whiskey, carmel. Smells sweet - very sweet, some molasses.

First impression: sweet! Lingering finish has an herbal quality. Medicinal? Very hot. Probably needs to warm up before we can say more definitively what the taste will be.

Later sips: the herbal component stays in the back. The sweetness stays forward. Probably less balanced and interesting than my favorite Old Stock, but pretty good. Up my alley.

Nice thick mouthfeel coats the tongue.

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Photo of amicar
4.65/5  rDev +9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Pours into a nice tulip glass at the brewery, chestnut colored and thick- looking. The smell is complex with a musky caramel and roast malt smell. Taste is heavenly- evolves over a few minutes from a smooth, somewhat sweet caramel and roast malt to a musky and oh- so slightly vaguely herbal flavor with malt predominance. Really beautiful in the mouth with just the right amount of heat. It was easy to slow down and enjoy this beer over an extended period of time, given the number of flavors going on here, and even easier to order another. Not necessarily easy to get off the stool and walk home without stumbling, though at 9.5%. So worth it, though.

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Photo of cpmichael
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2010 Bottle.

A: Pours a light ruby red color, with a 1 finger tan foam that dissipates quickly. Looks fairly syrupy.

S: Whoa, really complex. Smells very sweet, cotton candy, caramel, some prunes and other dark fruits. The booze is discernible.

T: Layers of caramel, toffee, raisins, a little nutty, and almost a brandy-like sweetness to it. Very sweet, but not in a bad way.

M/D: Medium carbonation, very thick, almost like syrup. Awesome texture, the booze is totally there, but it was pretty smooth and drinkable. I want to try again.

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Photo of fartingdog
4.42/5  rDev +3.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Brewed on 02/16/05

Pours a dark brown, almost black color, with a decent, yet quickly receeding head. First whiff was delicious - sweet, berry-like and rich. The taste? My first remark was 'delicious'. Full and rich with licorice, berries, dates and caramel. Mouthfeel is delectable, rich and smooth. There's a faint alcohol warming on the finish. This is a fantastic beer to savor.

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Photo of grandq
4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

man, i just wanna stick my nose down in the bottle. smells like caramelized sugar, maple, some fig maybe. Taken altogether, this calls to mind a fresh baked rum raisin cake. Taste is sweet - all sweetness from fruits in the redish-to-brown spectrum, raisin, cherry, prune. etc. Caramel creeps along (not too much, as that's not a favorite flavor) and gives way to a slight hop bite that warms up the last few notes, leaving off with maple syrup more or less. The mouthfeel is silky smooth, not too much carbonation. An excellent sipper that isn't forcing you to sip with big alcohol, big malt, big hops - just asking you to savor. Definitely way up there in the style for me, even beats out Third Coast IMO.

Another big thank you to Hoppymeal for another great beer from Kuhnhenn.

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Photo of AnPiobaire
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a goblet. 4D poured a thick muddy brown with barely a cream colored halo for a head. The nose is malty and rich with strong notes of fig. Very pleasant. The taste is a rich malty sweetness with toffee and fig. The mouth is thick and viscous with minimal carbonation. Overall, this is a very decadent old ale that is far from sessionable but is very tasty and one I am glad to have tried. Enjoy!

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Photo of Adamdc
3.85/5  rDev -9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12 oz bottle poured into large snifter

A: Almost black pour that when held up to light shows ruby hues. Very minimal head that shows light lacing

S: Lots of burnt sugar and brown sugar with dark fruits (some cherries also) and booze. I can tell this is going to be 'big'!!

T: I'm hit with a very dominant sweetness! The taste mimics the aroma with the dark fruits moving to the forefront and the booze is tingling my tongue---pretty hot.

M: I must say the mouthfeel is very nice. Nicely thick and syrupy!

D: 11.8%ABV and the sweetness would limit me to only one per sitting.

I'm probably not the best judge of this beer for two reasons: I don't have alot of experience with 'Old Ales' and I've never been a big fan of 'sweet' beers. Even the 'almighty' DL is too sweet for my tastes. But with that said, it is clear that this beer is something special. There's is alot going on with all the different dark fruit aromas and tastes that are going on. I got this as an extra in a trade and it seems that it's a pretty sought after beer. I'm glad I got to try it and if the situation arises again, I'll go at it one more time!

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Photo of jwolfie70
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Overlord for letting me share a bottle of this with him.

Pours a dark reddish brown. Smell is of molasses and malty syrup, with dried dark fruits (i.e. prunes, figs and raisons) dominating. Taste is similar to the smell, with some alcohol spiciness that keeps the beer from getting cloying. I could not see myself driking too much of this at one time, but that is ok as it should be sipped.

This was a long sought after beer for me, and it did not disappoint.

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Photo of biga7346
3.87/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A - A rusty burgundy, pours flat w/ a little soapy head and very little lacing.

N - Huge boozy notes up front flirting with suggestions of bourbon-whisky, vanilla bean, pineapple, sugar cane and toffee-ish. Reminds me of a creme brulee or tiramisu. Lots of breadiness and golden raisin maltiness.

T/M - Raisin bread, fruit cake, figs, more of that wonderful toffee-ish, candy-like bite, very boozy and warming in the finish. Leaves a sugary and resiny aftertaste that lingers. A little port-ish and I get some whiffs of nutty cheese, or maybe I'm just thinking this would be great paired with cheese. A velvety and gritty texture.

D - A total sipper, but very good. Would be tough to drink more than 1 bottle of this in a sitting.

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Photo of fvernon
4.12/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2010 vintage, poured into my deschutes snifter.

Pours a ruby/copper burnt brick red with no head (although maybe that's just me not cleaning my glass right after its last use). Aroma of raisins, turkish figs, molasses, and biscuit.

The first sip was quite surprising - the fruit is pretty hidden in favor of a biscuit/pine/agave/alcohol taste, in that order. Most of the taste resides on the back of the tongue and throat; a bit, but very little up front where it seems like some of the malt and molasses could be lingering. As it warmed up some of the complexity in the aroma came forward.

Mouthfeel is nice and syrupy at the start and drys out a bit toward the end; just about right for a sipper.

Overall it's an enjoyable old ale and a complex sipper, although I wonder if 2 years was a bit more age than necessary.

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Photo of ryantho00
4.36/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Found at country acres in a 4 pack 12oz bottles.

Pours deep amber brown with half finger head that disappears fast, but slight carbonation retained. Poured into a snifter. I can detect caramel, cherry, alcohol, and oak when sniffed, there is a slight vanilla smell also.

This came highly recommended, cheers Kuntz! Well worth $17 for a four pack. It has a nice balanced mouthfeel high maltiness caramel beginning that has a slight alcoholiness to it and deep vanilla and toasty oak flavors. I taste an almost bourbon undertone as well. It finishes smooth with a vanilla and caramel sweet maltiness. The alcohol is very well hidden and this a nicely balanced for 13.5% abv. I'm sure this would cellar well and I'd be interested to taste one a couple years old. Very well done, I usually prefer more hops, but this is delicious

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Photo of Crittervision
4.53/5  rDev +6.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

thanks to triptens for this. split with beavers.

body is a yeast-clouded maroon-tinted brown with an everlasting eighth to quarter-inch creamy, frothy head. simply beautiful.

smell is of fermented prune juice, hints of black pepper, bready sweetness, lightly cinnamony (mike said spiced apples, yes yes)

that brown-sugary bready sweetness from the nose is precisely mirrored in the taste. macerated prunes. black pepper just noticeable after it warms a bit. hint of tobacco. very reminiscent of jw lees. a slight bitterness and a roastiness round it out wonderfully.

ultra smooth, mouth is full of creamy goodness.

incredible. the heat becomes apparent on warming, but definitely within reason. alcohol stays masked behind everything. exquisite.

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Photo of SQNfan
4.12/5  rDev -3.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Deep brown in color with a very thin head. The nose is quite expressive with scents of toffee, caramel, dark fruits, roasted malt and chocolate. The palate is not quite as dense as I would expect based on the nose. It is well-balanced and comes off feeling light even though it is a heavy beer. While this should age well, I'm not sure how it will change as the flavors already those that I associate with aged beer.

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Photo of brokenleadedcask
4.28/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

2008 vintage

Pouring this into my generic snifter it produced a ton of head. Half the glass filled with an off white, tight bubbled foam. Once the head subsided aromas of raisin, pear and yeast rose to meet me. For a high alcohol beer (over %11) only a slight amount of alcohol can be detected. They also covered the alcohol well in the taste. Flavors of port, more raisin notes, fresh apples and there was a very slight bit of smoke. On the tongue it has a spicy sharp bite on the taste buds and pleasant lingering after taste. This beer is a real treat and presents complex flavors in every sip.

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Photo of baconsausage
4.83/5  rDev +13.4%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

2008 vin

Clings to the glass and everything. My palate, nose and eyes can't leave the beer alone. Woah. Burnt orange color matches the burnt sweet orange flavor. Sticky burnt sugar sweetness and citrus hop bitterness blend and become confection greatness. An indulgence. A slight amount of oxidation present on the finish. Great in all ways, proficient. saying this to my now emty glass.

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Photo of fingolfin72
4.02/5  rDev -5.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Color- Deep, ruddy mahogany. No head to speak of.

Nose- Brown sugar, alcohol, sweet vermouth

Palate- Smooth, rich and malty. There are overtones of vermouth and toffee, and the mouthfeel is creamy. The finish is long and smooth, and I detect a mild, walnutty bitter tang in there. Quite easy to drink for a beer of this type.

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Photo of kohoutek
4.3/5  rDev +0.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

Kuhnhenn strikes again! It is nice to see the emergence of yet another fine Michigan brewery. Yet most importantly, this beer serves as an important challenger to a beer that has been held close to the hearts of Michiganders for many years.

The Fourth Dementia Olde Ale is truly the only worthy competition to Bell's Third Coast Old Ale I have tasted. Upon glancing at this ale, the drinker is met with its garnet hue. A deep whiff reveals its wonderful caramel nose. Not to be dissapointed, the flavors that emerge are right on par with what you would expect (hope for). Caramel, Graham cracker, fresh baked bread . . a bisquit/crystal nose that proves Kuhnhenn is a house run by those that love beer and respect the grains that contribute to these elixirs.

This beer is balanced delicately with a very clean neutral hop variety to lengthen its finish without overstating its malty qualities. Do not be confused . . . this beer is a malt afficionadoes beer. Pure, full and lingering. Yes hopheads (and I am one), malts have a wonderful vinous viscosity that we can re-experience in this beer.

Cheers!

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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
95 out of 100 based on 450 ratings.
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