Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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Fourth Dementia (4D)Fourth Dementia (4D)
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Fourth Dementia (4D)Fourth Dementia (4D)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#678
Reviews:
452
Ratings:
1,053
pDev:
8.86%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
Wants:
615
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213
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Ratings: 1,053 |  Reviews: 452
Photo of HarmonMW
4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of ricecracker420
4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of bbadger
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of SerialTicker
4.23/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25

Had on tap at the Kuhnhenn Brewery as part of a paddle. '11 Vintage.

Appearance: Somewhat like the BB4D, but with a more reddish hue, and -- surprisingly -- a somewhat smaller head. Given the ABV, this is actually a great looking beer. There's even a little bit of lacing, too.

Smell: Sweet. The BB4D has a chocolate note, and I suppose this has a trace of it as well, but it's less pronounced. This regular 4D has a fruitier aroma, and there's no alcohol in that aroma at all.

Taste: Like the smell, sweet... cherry sort of aromas here, with plenty of malt. There's a decent bitterness in there so it's not all fruity sweetness, but it's definitely a sweeter brew. Dark fruits and malts own this beer. A bit of warmth on the swallow lets you know that this is a high ABV beer, but it doesn't come through in the taste. I like the aroma on this one a bit more than the BB4D version.

I'm no doubt in the minority, but I prefer this one to the bourbon barrel version. It's not by a huge margin, but it's still there. The bourbon barrel may mellow the beer out a tad, but it also takes away notes that this '11 4D had... and that I really enjoyed. This 4D had an inexplicable certain "bite" in the flavor (and I don't mean alcohol) that really intrigued me. This is an excellent beer that must be tried if it can be found.

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Photo of JohnnyHopps
4.6/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Appearance - The beer was a murky brown color.

Smell - The nose was sticky sweet with malt impressions.

Taste - The initial impression was for sweet malts. Sweet and syrupy malt are prominent. Maraschino cherries, fruit cocktail, and a hint of baker 's chocolate were in the background. The aftertaste is dry like a green apple but maintains the sweetness.

Mouthfeel - With low carbonation, the impression is almost sticky.

Overall - This is phenominal.

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Photo of Roze
2.73/5  rDev -36.4%
look: 2.75 | smell: 2.75 | taste: 2.75 | feel: 2.5 | overall: 2.75

Photo of Frozensoul327
3.8/5  rDev -11.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Wow. Damned good beer. Brewed on 08/01/2004, drank on 06/10/2005. Poured out to a brown ale color with decent carbonation and a nice foamy cream-like head. Right off the bat, this one smells like raisins, with sweet floral notes mixed in. Woo-hoo, the booze is present in this one! Strong element of alcohol mixed with fermented fruit flavors and a toffee like aftertaste. Went down too smooth considering the power this brew packs. This will knock you firmly on your ass if you are not ready for it. Hell, it will knock you on your ass if you ARE ready for it! I would imagine as the brewer recommends, this beer would really mellow with age, and the flavors would mature. I plan on getting a sixer of this and letting it sit for a few years and see what happends. Nonetheless, a solid winner. Recommended.

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Photo of brystmar
3.37/5  rDev -21.4%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

2011 vintage, shared 3 ways.

Deep brown pour, super viscous, zero head. Looks like motor oil. Gives off the unmistakeably dark scent of black licorice. Also tobacco, burnt malts, booze.

Dark, burnt taste. Tons of licorice. Mild notes of ashtrays. Hints of sweet malts in there, but get quickly shushed by everything else around them. Thick, viscous body. Flavor balance here isn't particularly appealing to me, though, and I'm unconvinced that age would help in this regard.

A deeper, darker take on the Old Ale style. Glad I tried it but won't seek this out again.

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Photo of scotv
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of Thishops4u
4.25/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of kbutler1
4.22/5  rDev -1.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle. 2008 vintage. Pours a reddish mahagony color with a nice tan head head that coasters. The aroma is very interesting with a mix of caramel, milk chocolate, dark fruit, vanilla, with some hop bitterness. The smell is super intense. Rich and creamy medium/heavy mouthfeel. Slightly sweet dark fruit and tvery slight art up front that transitions to rich caramel sweet taste with some very intense rich flavors. The alcohol is well hidden. Good head retention and nice carbonation.

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Photo of SinjaminBentek
5/5  rDev +16.6%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Photo of mythaeus
4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

Photo of CaptainFleeker
4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

Photo of Cubatobaco
4.4/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5

Photo of lunarbrew
4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

Photo of KAP1356
4.27/5  rDev -0.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Fnally got my hands on this in a trade from bdberr. 12 oz bottle poured into a Weyerbacher tulip...

A - Rich and thick maroon color with some nice darker amber highlights when held to the light. No real head to speak of. The tiniest little eggshell white cap forms and recedes to basically nothing.

S - Rich and buttery aromas. Toffee, caramel, buttery, and some brown sugar. A bit of alcohol comes through along with the slightest bit of coffee. Really very inticing nose.

T - Strong and rich toffee, caramel and very sherry like. Nice dark sugar flavors with some chocolate and coffee at the end. Dark fruits come through as well; raisins, dates, etc. Ever so slight smokiness and/or tobacco flavors at the very end ofthe palate. Really stunning taste. I can only imagine how this one ages. Really reminds me of a nice sherry or port.

M - Slick mouthfeel. Very smooth and medium-heavy bodied. Not much alcohol heat coming through (although there is some there, don't get me wrong. Just not as much as I would have thought).

D - One ofthe best Old Ale's I have ever had. Quite an amazing sipper and the ABV doesn't hinder the enjoyment of this one at all. Cannot wait to try this again in a year or two. So worth the trade!

EDIT: This was the 2010 batch.

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Photo of MbpBugeye
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks normyk, this is a long time want.

As expected, very minimal head. Beautiful deep rusted chestnut. Deep, rich butternut and toffee aromas. Lots of caramel and alcohol on the nose.The taste is great. Strong toffee, caramel and nuttiness. I can't wait to try the-bal aged version, but honestly it can't get much better than this.

This beer is pretty huge but it enters a different realm of drinkability, sipability. The cant recall the ABV on my bottle but it was in the 13% neighborhood. This is a long evening sipper. Just the thing you need this time of year.

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Photo of zac16125
4.64/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

12oz bottle poured into a snifter
2011 Vintage

A big thanks to muskiesman for sending this one over in a trade

A: Pours a somewhat viscous opaque very dark brown, almost black, with no head to speak of, only a slight outer ring so small I can't even determine the color.  Leaves effectively no lacing.  

S: Big aroma.  Dark fruits with fig, raisin and date notes, woody oak aroma even though this is not the barrel aged one, hints of bourbon, black licorice, a small amount of booze, and a hint of vanilla extract.  Awesome.  

T: Dark fruit sweetness up front in the form of overripe plum and fig, with lots of different flavors coming through on the back end including coffee, dark chocolate, and roasted malt. As it warms I get a big toffee character, which is great. I also pick up burnt toast, some vanilla, a nutty character, and a subtle hint of booze that only comes out towards the end of the glass. This is well balanced and so complex, taking your palate through multiple flavor levels with each sip.  Really fantastic, bordering on perfect.  

M/D: Smooth, about as full bodied as you can get, with appropriately low carbonation, and a sticky, somewhat chewy mouthfeel.  Coats the palate nicely, and has a whole body warming characteristic.  Amazingly, I get almost none of the massive 13.5% ABV, either on the nose or the tongue, impressive!  Even with the ABV masking, it's still a sipper due to the thick consistency and massive flavor profile, but that's how big old ales and barleywines should be, and all things considered the drinkability is actually quite good.  

O: Wow, what a beer.  Not for everyone, as this is a big, bold brew. But if you are a fan of the style it's an absolute must try.  Does this beer get better with barrel aging?  I'm not sure it can, as there isn't much room for improvement, but I can't wait to try the BB4D and find out.  Highly recommend.  

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Photo of BColton1
4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of Prospero
4.19/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

Photo of klipper
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of NHhomebrewguy
4.5/5  rDev +4.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Photo of dkw0063
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of brdc
4.09/5  rDev -4.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks Derek hoppymeal for this one.

It pours a dark, hazy brown beer with a reddish hue that has a minimal tan head with almost no retention.
A complex, delicious aroma that starts sweetish, evolving into layers of caramel, choclate milk, toffee and even some hops are quite discernible, all permeated by a powerful but pleasant alcohol.
This full-bodied brew has quite a complex taste, starting sweetish as expected, caramel-like, evolving into a hoppy bitterness, then a warming alcohol followed by a dry finish.
This "alcoholic" presence is at times too pronounced, and at the end of the beer it can get too much, compromising its drinkability.
Nonetheless, it is quite pleasant and well-crafted.

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Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Beer rating: 4.29 out of 5 with 1,053 ratings