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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D)
BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

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1,042
Avg:
4.26
pDev:
13.85%
 
 
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Photo of jayhawk73
4.5/5  rDev +5.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Chaney- Thanks Brandon!

Review from notes:

Pours a dark amber color w/ a nice sliver of a cocoa head. No carbonation or lacing. Smell is bourbon, caramel, toffee, some alcohol. Taste is the same profile as the nose w/ a toasted marshmallow flavor as well. Awesome. Great feel- smooth, goes down easy. Overall, this is an incredible brew, and I'm glad I got to try it.

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Photo of Bitterbill
4.92/5  rDev +15.5%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

From my notes of December 17, 2006.

Poured from 12oz bottle(brewed on 2-16-05 best before 2011!) a super dark brown with a good sized head of foam that slowly shrinks leaving a mostly solid layer that hugs the side of my glass in a most pleasing way.

The smell is....wow! Huge notes of caramel malt, molasses, and fig that just don't quit. The smell alone is woth the price of admission but, I got this one pro gratis compliments of Mentor!!

The taste follows the nose to a T. Awesome caramel and roasted malt that are just tickling my palate to the Nth degree. The molasses and fig that I noted in the nose are there as well as is dark fruit(plum) adding to the complexity of this Old Ale and making it, despite it's high abv, a most drinkable nectar. And yeah, there's a bit of warming as it goes down but the alcohol, for me, is not detectable in the flavour at all. From the first sip right through to the finish, there's no doubt that I'm drinking a world class brew. Yeah, it's *that* damn good!!

Bottom line: Fantastic! If I were given a choice of sipping on this or a Westy 12(different beer styles aside), I'd have a darned hard time making up my mind on which to choose!
Once again, kudos to Mentor for allowing me to try this tasty son of a gun!!

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Photo of Treebs
4.62/5  rDev +8.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Split a 12 oz. bottle at Hopcat with fellow BA danielnovak3. Poured into a tulip. 2011 bottle.

A: Pours a very dark ruby with small light khaki head the subsides quickly.

S: Nice dark fruits, caramel, and a little leather. There is faint cherry sweetness in the background.

T: The flavors going on in the taste are incredible. Leather, caramel and tobacco blend together with figs and plums to really create some amazing flavor. Very little alcohol is present and there is no heat. There is a slight sweetness on the finish that really blends it all together.

M: Creamy and coatable. Between heavy and medium on the feel with a nice subtle carbonation. A dark fruit taste is left on the palate.

O: This is what an old ale should taste like. So well balanced and the all the flavors that came through on the taste were awesome. Now I must find the BB4D.

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Photo of s1ckboy
3.95/5  rDev -7.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - Nice off white head. Deep red body

S - Amazing. Very sweet. Caramel, burnt sugar, molasses dark fruits, a touch of alcohol.

T - Some caramel and dark fruits. Alcohol is very well hidden. A good amount of bitterness coming through at the end. Could use some age. A bit of a disappointment after smelling it.

M - On the thinner side of medium. A bit sticky and syrupy.

O - A decent old ale, definitly not my favorite. I very much prefer the barrel aged version.

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Photo of Arbitrator
2.2/5  rDev -48.4%
look: 2 | smell: 2 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 2 | overall: 2

Chilled bottle into a glass. 2009 vintage. Courtesy of semibaked, if I recall correctly. Thanks!

A: Pours a murky chestnut body capped with a short-lived beige head. No lace.

S: Aroma is a treacly, underattenuated grape Jolly Rancher variety. Notes of licorice, rum-soaked raisins. All around sweet.

T: As the nose suggested, this beer is sugar drizzled with raisins, mah nizzle. Way too sweet, sugary, and altogether unfinished-feeling. Simply underattenuated. Wow.

M: Full-bodied, but simplistic; it's sugary, sweet, and simply amateurish in execution. Lots of grape, sugar, and little else. At least it's not boozy.

O: I had a high impression of the barrel-aged Fourth Dementia when it was first released. Unfortunately, even that version has fallen off, but it is far better than the sugar bomb its base beer turned out to be. We didn't finish either version, but we poured out more of this.

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Photo of homebrew311
3.42/5  rDev -19.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

A: appearance is a purpleish red, decent amount of clarity, no head, no lacing

S: bold waves of molasses, licorice, maple, and oak. This is a definite malt bomb. Notes of fruit come through, mainly raisins.

T: just like the nose suggested, this one is all about that malts. This one is skewed way towards the sweet side and features bits of earthiness and pepper, not seeming very balanced and the ABV is very present of the finish.

MF: thick body, a bit syrupy, light carbonation

O: well this beer definitely doesn't lack flavor, perhaps my palate just isn't prepared for the overload of sweet malts that this one delivered... I found it to be too sweet.

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Photo of Gushue3
4.54/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks a ton to nkersten for this and many other excellent beers in the heavy metal LIF. Long time want that I cant wait to crack.

A- Nice clear transparent light brown while being poured. About a 1 finger off white head forms that doesnt have much retention. The body is very dark brown and can only been seen through toward the bottom of my snfter. The body there is brown sugar meets amber red. looks nice. 4

S- VERY nice scent! Big sweet maltis all over the place with some vanilla, dark druits, leather and alcohol. Lots of big stinks in here. I wish there was a candle of this, one of the best smelling beers in had. 5

T- Nice sweetness upfront that follows to the end. On the finish the sweetness breaks into its components of toffee, caramel, vanilla and a light roast. Some alcohol burn in the throat but nothing too big. Excellent flavor that masks the 13.5% very well. 4.5

M- Lighter mouthfeel that feels somewhat syrupy. Not really much carbonation to speak of makes this really smooth. 4

O- I'm relatively new to this style but i know that this is an excellent beer. The Flavor and taste are great and I wish I could get more of this or try BB4D.

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Photo of lanamj
4.95/5  rDev +16.2%
look: 5 | smell: 5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Got this one on a trade. Thanks StayWhatYouAre2. 12oz bottle, split with a friend, poured into two tulips.

A- This one pours perfectly. Beautiful copper to amber color with a nice foamy white head witch resides to a full circle ring off lacing that ad hears to the glass the entire way down.

S- Caramel, molasses and sweet malts dominate the front of the nose. I do get some mild banana and alcohol but is so nice to smell. All the components come together to form a nicely balanced aroma that is just wonderful. It reminds more of a nice barleywine aroma rather then an old ale.

T- Again just perfect. Lots of sweet flavors such as caramel, molasses, sweet malts and bananas. The alcohol on this is so nicely hidden. I again feel it reminds me more of a barleywine then an old ale.

M- Very smooth and silky. The flavor lingers and is very extensive. This truly is the best Old Ale I have ever had. It goes down so smooth that regardless of the high ABV I could sit and drink a few of these.

O- The best Old Ale I have ever had. It does remind me of a Barleywine and maybe that has a lot to do with it but still amazing. I like the faint banana flavor here unlike some Old Ales that remind me of a banana split. I would love to try the barrel aged version.

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Photo of liamt07
4.33/5  rDev +1.6%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bottle shared by Peter of Flying Monkeys, 355ml bottle into some tulips. 2010 winter solstice release, thanks a ton Peter!

Pours a dark brown, with a tan head - transient, and falls to a ring. Big legs on this one. Nose has dried dark fruits, sweet caramel notes, and a hint of metal. Taste reflects this without the metal note (which diminished with warmth), more dried dark fruits - berries and currants, booze, caramel and something I kept percieving as oak, although I'm confident this isn't oak aged. Mouthfeel was medium heavy, with a moderate sweetness that's restrained by some drier qualities throughout. Great drinkability, and doesn't even come close to feeling like the alcohol content advertised. Need to get my lips on the bourbon barreled version.

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Photo of tempest
4.25/5  rDev -0.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Had a small glass at the Stag's Head. I had a couple other nice beers at the Stag, but man this one stood out. It wasn't overly thick and there's was no knock of alcohol. The flavor was a rich mix of dates, raisins, caramel, and cocoa. There were mild hints of toffee, cola, and grapefruit hops to round this out, making for a fantastic dessert beer.

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Photo of EnemyWithin
3.65/5  rDev -14.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

2010 4D Olde Ale into Duvel tulip.

Appearance - 3

Red amber with very small creamy golden head, just forming a thin rim around the circumference.

Smell – 3.5

Very malty. Molasses, brown sugar, sticky sweet malt with notes candy sugar. Spicy aroma with booze notes.

Taste - 4

Starts with a caramel, toffee body with a presence of alcohol. Near the end, a spike of brown sugar and spice, with just a mild bitterness at the end. Get a fair amount of warmth from the alcohol, but not overly powerful. Flavours improves as beer warms and opns – flavours soften up and become much improved.

Mouthfeel – 3.5

Moderate thickness, a littly sticky, not really creamy. Wondering if the little carbonation is typical. A bit of astringency from the hops.

Overall - 4

A sipper, for sure! A nice beer that shows significant improvement as it warms up. Not a style that I've had before, but in many ways it reminds me of a barley wine. At first, put off but as I tasted it more, began to enjoy it. Would have again, especially during winter. Recommend.

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Photo of TMoney2591
4.15/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Served in a Chambord shaped pint glass.

Big thanks to therealnomayo for this bottle, BIFed so long ago...

2010 vintage. I was hoping to have this side-by-side with the barrel-aged version, but the pleasant memories of that surprise bottle will suffice while I take this bottle down. It pours a clear sunset russet topped by a half-finger of dirty cream foam. The nose comprises buttery toffee, light booze, white bread, maple syrup, and a few drops of chocolate syrup. The taste holds notes of boozy caramel, dark fruit (mostly fig-like, I'd say), pine sap, sourdough, very light chocolate powder, and honey. It's a strange grocery list, but it all comes together pleasantly on the tongue. The body is a hefty medium, with a light moderate carbonation and a thick, almost chewy feel. Overall, a very nice brew, but one that seems a bit hot at the moment, making for a tasty but slightly painful drinking experience. That said, I'd do it again in a heartbeat...

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Photo of Pellinore1
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks to kdub87 for sending this one.

Pours a slightly hazy warm brown into a snifter, and shines red when held to the light. Less than a finger of off-white head fades, leaving some lacing on the glass.

I smell caramel, raisin, fig, and a whiff of booze. Not a very strong smell, but quite pleasant.

Everything from the smell is in the taste as well, only much more intense. I pick up the sweet caramel first, and this is quickly followed by a bloom of dark fruit. The boozy warmth is there at the end, but still astonishingly well concealed for 13.5 abv.

Thick and a bit sticky, but not overwhelming.

A very good beer overall, and almost certainly the best I've had in its category.

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Photo of flannelman808
4.32/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A: Medium brown and pretty darn opaque. Not much head to speak of.

S: Bourbon, caramel, coco powder and smoke.

T: This stuff is good. Its like drinking a maple iced rhum cake. Very rich and deep. Lots of flavors develop. Sweet finishing but not overtly so.

M: sticky

O: quite good stuff, I was impressed with this one. The high %13+ abv is noticeable but a welcomed addition to the depth of flavor.

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Photo of tewaris
4.15/5  rDev -2.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

4th Dementia poured a deep murky brown color, incidentally very close to fig flesh, with a medium khaki colored head. The head retention was average, basically a firm ring of foam and a small sheet of bubbles on the surface.

The aroma of 4th Dementia was figs, other dried fruits, caramel, and mild sweet alcohol. The 13.5% alcohol by volume is well masked. Good, but not nearly as rich as its barrel aged version.

4th Dementia, a great tasting ale, is a very very balanced blend of rich, flavorful sweetness, understated bitterness, and a moderate to low astringent character derived from what I assume are roasted grains. Exceptionally clean finish with a medium-long aftertaste. The carbonation keeps the beer alive, bubbly and amazingly easy to drink. The body is medium, and not all that viscous. I assume it's the extended secondary/bottle conditioning that achieves so much flavor while not letting the beer get tiring.

Overall, a great beer! Thanks Ron!

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Photo of cosmicevan
4.09/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

had this side-by-side with the BB4D at a barrel aged tasting on 2011-08-06.

clear amber color with no head at all. kind of bock like in the smell...very fruity, nutmeg, very sweet, caramel, spicy malt. flavor is nice, raising, figs, caramel malts. mouth is also good. little heavy, but the booze is well hidden. overall pretty good, not a candle to the BB4D though.

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2012-03-28 2011 vintage into kuhnhenn snifter...

3.5 - 4 - 4.5 - 4 - 4.5

brew poured a deep purple with a thin frothy creamy head that hung out for a few minutes. smell is exactly as last time, nutmeg, caramel and some vanilla malt and plum. really well done old ale. flavor is dominated by rasins and figs. strong sweetness, almost quadlike. booze is invisibile. great beer, a bit overly sweet. the BA takes this great beer and makes it legendary, always a treat to have the original.

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Photo of cbutova
3.5/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

12oz 2010 vintage shared by Chico1985.

A- Red brown ale with a small silky white head. It forms and dies out fairly quickly. Spotty lace on the glass from a cloud and ring atop the beer.

S- Big caramel dark fruit with a tiny stale feel. Raisins, spice, brown sugar, toasted nuts and slight buttery notes also come to mind.

T- Fruit forward old ale with a nice caramel backdrop. Raisin, molasses and brown sugar as well.

MF- Lower end carbonation with a moderately thick and oily feel. Some alcohol warmth.

Very well hidden 13% ABV but the overall feel and flavor didn't really do it for me. Kind of light feel for the style.

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Photo of Chico1985
3.55/5  rDev -16.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle traded by FourKicks, had right after a '99 Thomas Hardy's, old school and new school old ales back to back...

Pours dark red, mostly translucent. Beige head sticks around for a bit but succumbs to a ring, not much in the way of lace left behind.

Smell/taste - Nice but compared to the Thomas Hardy's this felt really tame. Mostly dark fruits noticeable (cherry and figs come to mind), caramel and toffee malt, slight vanilla. Mouthfeel was probably the highlight, the 13.5% is extremely well-hidden.

Good overall but nothing blew me away about it. I have another bottle to age, we'll see where that one goes.

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Photo of avalon07
4.67/5  rDev +9.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

A: Poured from a bottle to a pint glass. Had a murky brown color and a thick consistency. There was a very thin, foamy head that quickly dissipated. Not much lacing to speak of.

S: A big, warm aroma of malt, caramel, molasses, alcohol, and some spices.

T: Tasted like it smelled: Lots of caramel and molasses, some malt, and assorted spices. Alcohol is noticeable, but not overwhelmingly. This is a very complex, extremely flavorful beer.

M: A good amount of carbonation with a smooth, silky finish. Full-bodied.

O: This is an excellent example of an Old Ale. A well made beer all around.

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Photo of warnerry
3.73/5  rDev -12.4%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Pours a deep brown w ruby red highlight. No head or lacing to speak of. Smells of raisins and other dark dried fruits, lots of caramel and unfortunately very apparent alcohol. The initial taste is hot alcohol, followed by raisins and figs and a bit of earthiness. Also quite a bit of sweet caramel malts and a hint of smoke. Finishes a bit bitter. Pretty full mouthfeel, but not overwhelmingly heavy. Leaves some lingering bitterness. Overall, this is a bit too fresh perhaps, as the alcohol is quite apparent. However, the alcohol presence doesn't ruin this by any means. I have a few bottles that I look forward to trying after a year or two. This is definitely a sipper, but a nice old ale. Doesn't hold up to the barrel-aged version though.

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Photo of wchollif
4.2/5  rDev -1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle poured into a tulip, part of a generous trade from a great trader, semibaked! The pour generates two fingers of head that dissipate quickly, leaving a ring that lingers throughout. The color is a really dark brown with a brick rim. The nose is very sweet malty and slightly boozy. I'm getting some walnut and honey that I really like in the smell. The flavor is caramel and malt all the way. Man this is sweet but in a very good way. Balanced by the good carbonation and bitterness. The finish is warm but approaching hot with a lingering sugar sweetness. Great beer, would have many times over, 13.5% but no problems finishing this 12oz'er.

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Photo of JamnesCameron
4.7/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Received this 2010 bottle from fear025 in my Birthday BIF box. Thanks Jay!

Poured into a snifter. Pours a deep garnet with barely any head.

Aromas of dark fruits, figs, raisins, prunes. No hop aroma to speak of.

Flavors of deep rich, concentrated dark fruits, like a jam made of raisins, figs and prunes. Sweetness on the edge of being cloying. Reminds me of port wine.

Mouthfeel is big, chewy, syrupy and oily. Just a hint of carbonation.

Overall, an excellent big brew. Lots of rich flavors meld well together.

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Photo of dragonWhale
3.64/5  rDev -14.6%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3.5

An angry pop..like Huck Finn's father, and the glass fills.
Dark brown, a low film of carb that fades but clings to hope and moves out to the edge of the snifter.
Style says low aromatics, but this beer is anything but. A very sexy barleywinish caramel and oxidized malt characteristic. Complimentary booze aroma is exhausting in my brain. Figs dance like drunk assholes in my mouth. Why does this smell so amazing? Heard some peoples talkin some shit bout this beer, but it smells amazing.
Hard phenolics, strong booze. Sharpness, needs some more time but has the potential to amaze and bewilder even the most complicated of women (or men). Time will certainly tell the tale on this bottled contraption. The sharpness of the characteristics that may make this a fantastic beverage are the only things holding it back. Give this vintage 3 years, it should be amazing. My needs involve picking up another bottle or 3.
2010 vintage..

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Photo of mwa423
4.22/5  rDev -0.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A - Pours a beautiful clear golden/ruby and slightly purple color with a a thick white head with a nice lacing. It's so beautiful that I'm not sure if I want to drink at it or stare at it.

S - The smell is fantastic, lots of dried dark fruit, fig and sweetness. There are more and more malty notes as the beer warms up, absolutely fantastic. Most amazing is the complete lack of alcohol in the nose for such a high abv beer.

T - Taste is like the aroma, complex, fruity and overall fantastic. The main taste is a mix of plum and alcohol. The alcohol is a bit overbearing and leaves a burn that erases lots of of the positive flavors.

M - The mouthfeel is harsh and has a lot of bite, carbonation is minimal which is unsurprising for the style.

Overall, a beautiful and fantastic smelling beer only knocked down by the strong alcohol flavor.

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Photo of oregone
3.63/5  rDev -14.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 3.5

A: Dark amber. Good, prodigious (surprisingly so) light cream head with solid retention.
S: Traecle, molasses and alcohol. Good, but little beyond the sweet caramelized flavors, and the booze was aparent.
T:Smell specific. Boozy in a not subtle way, though somewhat expected. Lots of dark caramel and molasses. Some caramelized orange peel and more brandy dessert flavors.
M: Best part of the brew. Carbonaion kept the huge viscocity fresh. Thick and rich but not tiresome. Sticky on the lips, but fresh on the palate.
O: Good. Would drink again, albeit not search it out. A dessert beer for sure and perhaps the size wasn't matched with enough complexity or balance for me. I love big brew, but this wasn't exciting.

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