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Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) | Kuhnhenn Brewing Company

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1,049 Ratings
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BEER INFO

Brewed by:
Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Michigan, United States
kbrewery.com

Style: Old Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 13.50%

Availability: Rotating

Notes / Commercial Description:
Previously Fourth Dementia

2009 11.8%
2010 13.5%
2011 13.5%

Added by marburg on 05-06-2003

BEER STATS
Ranking:
#635
Reviews:
450
Ratings:
1,049
pDev:
8.86%
Bros Score:
0
 
 
Wants:
615
Gots:
214
Trade:
25
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Ratings: 1,049 |  Reviews: 450
Photo of Diomede
4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of bbadger
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of FreshmanPour77
4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

Photo of kawilliams81
4.2/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

2011 vintage. Poured from 12 oz bottle into 8 oz glass.

A- Pours a dark amber with a 1 finger tan head. Minimal lacing around the edge of the glass.

S- Sweet amber malts, slight vanilla, some brown sugar. So sweet I guess.

T- Sweet toffee, toasted malts, slight roast and bitterness.

M- Full body and medium carbonation. Slick, viscous feel.

O- Very good old ale. On the sweeter side but still very good.

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Photo of facundoCNB
4.57/5  rDev +6.5%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

2011 bottle poured into a snifter.

a murky dark brown pour, slight amount of head which quickly turned into a tan ring of foam around the glass.

smells of caramel, chocolate, rum, nuts, raisins, coconut, vanilla.. this is a very sweet smelling drink and i can't wait to taste it.

ok enough waiting! holy cow this is fantastic. a dark caramel, dark chocolate, fruity sweet, very christmas-like ale. all of the sweetness of this drink masks the abv wonderfully to the point where it isn't noticeable at all (in the flavor). a nice sugary aftertaste of wet pecans.. seriously this is excellent.

full body, low carbonation.. a very heavy sipper! barely any feel of the alcohol, aside from a veru subtle warmth in the chest area.

this really is an excellent ale - i can't even imagine what the bourbon barrel aged 4d is like. this honestly feels like it's been barrel aged.

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4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

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4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of Eriktheipaman
4/5  rDev -6.8%

Photo of gamanley
4/5  rDev -6.8%

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4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of Beerzebub
4.42/5  rDev +3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

2009 bottle, served in a big wine glass, not too cold.

Smells like deep rich nutty caramel malt, with some floral and herbaceous notes, very nice indeed.

Tastes like a delicious malt bomb. Huge, sweet dark toffee/caramel, brown sugar, date. After a few seconds some restrained but discernible bitterness comes in, keeping it balanced and drinkable.

Nice beer!

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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

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4.25/5  rDev -0.9%

Photo of sukwonee
4.39/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

A: Just like BB4D, it doesn't look very good. Almost no head, dark brown body.

S: Amazing. It's literally BB4D less bourbon character. Malt, vanilla, caramel, toffee.

T: Excellent again. Dark fruits, caramel, vanilla, brown sugar.

M: Thick and syrupty.

O: I like this beer almost as much as BB4D. Thank you Beerworld for throwing this in as an extra.

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Photo of rudzud
4.08/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Received this as an extra in a trade. Poured int my Duvel tulip.

A - Poured a nice deep dark almost garnet hue with a thinnish blanket of a head that faded to leave light wisps and a thin halo. Solid for the ABV.

S - Smell is of lots of sweet malts and dark fruits. Nice caramel too.

T - Taste is spot on with the nose. Lots of caramel toffee malts and sweetness. Good dark fruits, alcohol isnt really noticeable in the taste. Delicious.

M - Mouthfeel is really nice for an olde ale. Its definitely a sipper though, as it will creep up on you good.

O - Overall this was a delicious olde ale. One of my favourite styles, when done right it is absolutely delicious.

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3.75/5  rDev -12.6%

Photo of Thehuntmaster
4.74/5  rDev +10.5%
look: 4 | smell: 5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

355ml bottle 13,5% ABV
Served lightly chilled in an over sized wine glass.
2011 Vintage

Appearance: 4D pours thick and viscous and appears dark brown in the glass. The body is almost opaque, but a strong back light reveals deep red and then golden along the edges. A very rough pour only yields a few small tan coloured bubbles that can hardly be called a head. A swirl coats the glass in a thick yellow-tinted film and leaves heavy alcohol legs.

Smell: Oh man, now this is what I call a nose! Massive and super sweet (just as I like it). The initial nose consists of dark treacle, caramelized brown sugar, toffee, a touch of chocolate and two notes that I usually only associate with bourbon barrel-aged beers - toasted marshmallow and toasted coconut. As the beer warms, the nose become amazingly complex with notes including: Raisins, preserved figs, an earthy quality, a touch of leather, molasses and a very unexpected hint of Bamberg smoke.
There is a hint of the 13,5% noted in the nose, but it is wonderfully integrated with the other notes.

Taste: As expected, the initial flavour is quite sweet, with notes of dark treacle, dark caramel, toffee, sweet dark fruits (raisins, prunes and figs), toasted marshmallow and a little molasses. This is followed by an earthy character and a touch of chocolate. The finish is mildly bitter and prevents the sweetness from becoming cloying.
As the beer approaches room temperature, the dark fruits become more prominent, with dates also being noted.
As in the nose, a touch of the 13,5% is noted, but I feel it is an integral part of the flavour.

Mouthfeel: I am sure that most people would call this under carbonated, but for me it is just about perfect - very low level and ultra smooth. The body is full and quite sticky.

Overall: 4D is a phenomenal old ale, I will certainly be buying a few more bottles as soon as I get the chance and trying my best to trade for some of the bourbon edition. Highly recommended for any lover of big, sweet beers.

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4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

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4.5/5  rDev +4.9%

Photo of superspak
4.52/5  rDev +5.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 5 | overall: 4.5

12 ounce bottle into signature tulip glass, 2010 vintage. Pours dense and hazy dark reddish copper color with a small khaki head with good retention, that reduces to a thin cap that lingers. Some nice lacing clings to the glass. Aromas of huge raisin, caramel, toffee, prune, toast, tobacco, earth, wood, molasses, bread, cocoa, leather, and light herbal spiciness. Fantastic aromas with awesome balance and complexity. Taste of huge caramel, raisin, prune, molasses, toffee, tobacco, toast, leather, cocoa, earth, wood, and light herbal spiciness. Light herbal bitterness on the finish; with lingering notes of dark fruit, toffee, caramel, molasses, tobacco, earth, wood, toast, and light herbal spiciness on the finish for a while. Fantastic flavor balance and complexity; with no cloying flavors at all despite the long finish. light-medium carbonation and full bodied; with an awesome creamy, thick, and slick mouthfeel. Alcohol is extremely well hidden for 13.5% with only a warming present after the finish. Definitely a sipper, but is still very smooth as such. Overall this is an absolutely incredible old ale! The age has done great things to this, and I will definitely hold on to the 2011 bottles I have. Hugely complex and balanced stuff.

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Photo of BilbosNuts
4.2/5  rDev -2.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks to DavoleBomb for hooking me up with this extra in a trade.

Poured from a 12 oz bottle into a snifter.

A: Pours a beautiful garnet color that is on the purple side. There is a small white ring that sits on top. Limited carbonation bubbles rise to the top providing a lightly active appearance.

S: Strong dark fruits of plum, raisins, and figs commence the aroma. Sweet brown sugar and and earthiness finish it off. A light touch of alcohol finishes it off.

T: Similar to the aroma, but the dark fruits found in the nose are a bit limited in the taste. The sweetness from sugar comes through much more and the alcohol is hidden very well.

M: Medium bodied and lightly carbonated. A minor bite with the alcohol, but it is very limited.

O: I'm a big fan of old ales and this one is quite good. No major complaints here. Solid all around. Highly recommended.

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4.75/5  rDev +10.7%

Photo of ChadQuest
4.35/5  rDev +1.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pretty fresh batch, so whatever that is.

Looks deadly, in a way that is deep, and dark brown. lacing, but not much head due to the high alcohol. I like the look of the 13.5 on the bottle.
It smells like sweet alcohol, i like it, molasses and brown sugar rolled over currants.
Every time i have drank a Kuhnhenn beer i have absolutely loved the alcohol flavors in it, they are always very present and warming, and never too hot or fusel. Alcohol soaked cherries and black currants, figs and pomegranate juice, brown sugar and vibrant maple syrup. Powdered donut flavors and sweetness that makes you want to lick your lips. Yum.
The body is medium with a decent amount of carbonation.

As with all the Kuhnhenn beers i have had, i really like this one.

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Photo of imbibehour
4.12/5  rDev -4%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

Poured from the bottle into a snifter glass. THanks for the extra wade5614.

A real nice orange glowing amber out the bottle, hits with a muted brown and faint orange/ruby body. There is nearly no head on this beer, barely even a collar makes it through of faint tan color. I'd score this average but the body color is quite nice I must admit.

Interesting nose. Malty richness with a wooden feel to it. Molasses turned down in a sort of chewy sense. Strangely feels a little spicy and salty. Interesting, this salt and sweet molasess character melds nicely I like it. There's a hint of heat.

Rich tasting with an almost Flanders cherry character. Finishes with a faint black pepper and spice and controlled quick heat, but not boozy. Malty rich with a very light body nearly wet, and splintery character. Hints at Scotch Ale style smoke also.

What an interesting brew. As I sip on this, I am craving BBQ pork. Very enjoyable, even though some factors don't hit the A mark. Would love to try the barrel aged version.

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Photo of jzdecourcy
5/5  rDev +16.6%

Kuhnhenn Fourth Dementia (4D) from Kuhnhenn Brewing Company
Beer rating: 4.29 out of 5 with 1,049 ratings
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